[terror] Why Anthrax Jihaters Chose Tabloids

Cascadians

Leska Emerald Adams
What goes out to almost every American supermarket checkout line?

What has several pages which get flipped, get on hands, get on food conveyors, get flipped into the air?

Where better to saturate nasty germs throughout the public than lines of food/supply buying where tabloid distributorship is omnipresent?

Infect the paper, the pages, at a time when ppl are reading the Newzak, widespread delivery system ...

Symbol of American excess ... plus uncomplimentary cover stories on terrorists ...

Not so amateur after all :(
 

Kris Gandillon

The Other Curmudgeon
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re-post from other thread...

Before we jump to too many conclusions...

Has anyone verified that they actually PRINT the tabloids at this building?

Many widely distributed newspapers/tabloids contract out the actual printing to various facilities around the country. The Wall Street Journal does it this way IIRC.

KrisG
 

mahala

Contributing Member
:eek: What a horrifying thought! Never considered that. Do you think anthrax spores can travel w/those magazines?
 

rafter

Since 1999
A&L, I have been thinking about this also...all grocieries, all Wal-Mart's, all K-marts, and most gas stations.

One of the posts on the anthrax thread made mention that the Sun building was toast. ( not the exact wording ) So if all the above were to have anthrax spores in them...just think about what that would mean:eek:
 

Troke

On TB every waking moment
If you open the mag, something goes 'pop' and your face is covered with dust....yup. Otherwise, hard to do.
 

psylenced

Inactive
Hi,

How do we know that Islamic Jihad types are behind this? Maybe we should investigate the stories that this publication was/is running. Who benefits?
 

Cascadians

Leska Emerald Adams
No, we don't think anthrax can easily be spread this way.

BUT anthrax is not the only bioterror germ up their sleeve.

Trying to stimulate thinking outside the box.

Better to toss it around now, and be aware.

What are your theories?

Can't count on Tomommy MAMA Thompson to tell us the truth!
 

Cascadians

Leska Emerald Adams
We're thinking a test run for smallpox?

Smallpox is highly contagious and easily spreadable.

Just cracking open the box, after reading too many ppl sluff off the whole anthrax thing as "not possible" "not do-able" when we've read too many experts say indeed it will happen.

Try to think of other objects which are as pervasive as tabloids, where millions of people pass by them in line, where objects millions take home sit on a coveyor belt and then get put in cars and on kitchen counters.
 

Donald Shimoda

In Absentia
To the Caskies(and everybody),

Actually, I was thinkin' about this very topic, but came up with another reason.

Tabloid offices have AMAZINGLY tight security. I could see this as a message, sort of "if we can get in here, we can get in anywhere" to all that are aware of the security measures taken by tabloid offices…
 

mahala

Contributing Member
Cascadians said:
BUT anthrax is not the only bioterror germ up their sleeve.
This is true. Can anyone testify to the resiliance of smallpox/could it travel like this? (That is, however, if it's true that these magazines are printed in the same location. Anyone verify this?)
 

Cascadians

Leska Emerald Adams
Remember, the jihaters wormed their way into airport/airline food service jobs. They infiltrated training and services where they could more 'normally' pull off their nefarious deeds. The talking heads say we Americans "don't think like terrorists."

Well, try to think ... widespread mechanism for distributing deadly virus/bacteria?

What pervasive objects come from a centralized location?

This isn't just focused on the tabloids: crack open the box it introduced, and think in widespread terms.

We have to outwit these maniacs.
 

Cascadians

Leska Emerald Adams
Thanks, Donald, good points.

Think there's an urgent business niche here to develop a bio/chem detection kit so all these types of pervasive elements can be regularly tested.

Quality control: "plastics" of the new millennium!

More theories / ideas folks, think think think!
 

Deb Mc

Veteran Member
Afternoon everyone!

One concern is if they get into large printing facilities or their distribution warehouses. In that way they might be able to "dose" the magazines...

Now, about the Anthrax in Florida - does anyone know if this site INCLUDED the printing facilities? If it didn't, then you shouldn't worry about the magazines, SO FAR...
 

CeeBee

Inactive
Who thought up this scary notion? Was it Ashton or Leska? Inquiring minds want to know. (Remember those ads from the National Enquirer?)
 

Troke

On TB every waking moment
According to the press (the source of all truth) the printing facilities were in the same building, and big enough that the two cases may not have even known each other.

You know, all along I have been thinking we might have a test case here unless they actually do find some 'natural' explanation. Best kind. First find out how many you can infect in a building and then find out if it can be carried out by a product.

If the results are what they seem to be so far, not too efficient. One would think by now, people would be dropping like flies. Of course, if I was a worker in that place, I would be sick as a dog just on general principles.

As I pointed out in another thread, them folks in Japan had over 100 people working on it, dumped the anthrax into the subway air system 6-8 times and got no observable results.
 

A.T.Hagan

Inactive
Now if the pages of supermarket tabloids and scandal rags were to be deliberately dusted with anthrax spores as a weapon against the typical readers of such publications would you suspect Osama Bin Laden or MENSA?

This story becomes more bizarre by the day...

.......Alan.
 
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Cascadians

Leska Emerald Adams
http://www.freerepublic.com/forum/a3bc1dc31440d.htm

We're not fixated on the supermarket tabloid National Enquirer / Star / Globe / Weekly World News / Examiner / Sun -- all housed in that building. Nor are we focused on anthrax.

We ARE trying to think broadly about the connections, possibilities and ramifications that this "isolated incident" "amazingly near known suicide hijacker jihad hater terrorists" drag out of Pandora's Box.

Donald Shimoda caught on right away ...

One might want to brainstorm outlets of centralized mass distribution and avoid those items / places!
 

Taz

Deceased
Well this is a very definite FWIW! Drs can be dumber than a box of rocks! I had a Drs appt this am and I asked the Dr if I was being paranoid about the tabloids as my MIL who lives with us gets 4 per week in the mail. His answer was, "they wouldn't be coming into my house. Take them with a glove and burn them". So I came home and gathered up her stash and did just that. But what about the risk to myself everytime one comes in the mail? Risk to mail lady and does it get on the other mail? I think I am being overly cautious,(spelled paranoid) but who knows? Doubt there will be any more being printed and delivered now. Besides, I would use any excuse not to have those damn things even coming in the mail. I made her subscribe because I refused to be seen buying a stack every week. I was starting to get teased by the store clerks that know me. LOL
Taz:confused:
 

Cascadians

Leska Emerald Adams
folks are catching on

http://www.freerepublic.com/forum/a3bc1dc31440d.htm

Hhhhmmmmmm, the lightbulbs are going off at Free Republic :)

" I don't want to alarm anyone here too much, but there is a disturbing and fortunately unlikely explanation for why employees and a building of The Sun would have Anthrax exposure if terrorism is involved.

If a terrorist was seeking to distribute Anthrax spores throughout the U.S. and U.K., the spores would need a dry medium through which to be transported, e.g., newspapers. The Sun is a newspaper delivered throughout the U.S. and U.K. Hypothetically, it may be possible to disperse Anthrax spores throughout the U.S. and U.K. by somehow contaminating the pages of a newspaper like The Sun. Since a tabloid like The Sun is placed in supermarkets where it is opened and read by people waiting in line for cashiers (small concentrated populations that could be exposed), this would affect the spread of spores in supermarkets throughout the West where the tabloid is distributed. In other words, such an approach for an Anthrax attack would achieve very widespread distribution of a biological weapon throughout Western society, and this, in turn, would precipitate an incapacitating panic (particularly since the spores can remain toxic for dozens of years).

Given this possibility, I would think the FBI and CDC and whatever comparable organizations exist in the UK are very busy checking copies of The Sun in supermarkets for Anthrax contamination. If such contamination is found, then the printing presses for The Sun should be shutdown, quarantined and examined for signs of Anthrax spores. What's rather frightening is The Sun appears to be published by an organization called News International that publishes multiple papers distributed throughout the West. Hence, exposure at The Sun might also involve exposure of sister publications.

A couple of key questions with regard to the possibility of an Anthrax attack being conducted in such a manner are:

1. At the printing press, when the paper is being printed, can spores be deposited on pages going through the printing presses? If the pages are moist, does this allow adhesion of the spores without the moisture rendering the spores ineffective?

2. Would the concentration of spores in each copy of the paper be sufficient to infect people exposed within close proximity of the papers when they are opened and read?

Is anyone expert enough here to answer such questions?

Is what I'm concerned about even possible?

by Spirit Of Truth "
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These were my very first thoughts. NOW why won't they tell us where these rags are printed and are they even planning on checking the presses for contamination."
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"It adds new meaning to the term "junkmail".
Just think if you could impregnate some of those free perfume samples with Anthrax or something more nasty.
"Here honey, smell this one." "
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"See, this is what I meant last week when I was griping about the CDC and their handling of the 2nd case of anthrax.

Namely, that they are lying sacks of sh*t who are only interested in the PR aspects of disease, and in CYA (public health be damned.)

Plus, they strangely want to help us avoid panic, as if we would just run up and down the street, yelling incoherently, with our hands up in the air, as in a sci-fi flick.

NOTE TO FEDS:

WE ARE NOT AS STUPID AND EASILY FRIGHTENED AS YOU THINK.

WE ARE NOT EVEN AS STUPID AS YOU ARE.

PLEASE STOP LYING TO US ABOUT MATTERS OF PUBLIC HEALTH.

Specifically, the fact that the first dead was a Brit working in Florida for a media company was not made clear.

Leaving the vague possibility open that he was a wool-sorter, sheep person, or hunter, or who-knows-what.

As it is, anyone who fit his demographic and has anthrax was certainly a victim of terrorism, and much more so any subsequent victim working IN THE SAME BUILDING.

So Feds,

Stop chasing down Branch Dividians, tax chiselers, Medicare unbundlers, and gun owners, and anti-Clinton witnesses.

START DOING YOUR DAMN JOB AND PROTECT THE PEOPLE OF THE UNITED STATES FROM HOSTILE ALIENS.

AND STOP LYING TO US ABOUT MATTERS OF PUBLIC HEALTH!!!! "
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Who would have thought that the dissemination of Anthrax spores throughout the US would be facilitated by using the supermarket tabloids. Think about it, once published and printed the Anthrax spores are placed into the stacks of the tabloids and are sent throughout the US. The opening of the stacks and placing them on the shelves would expose millions to the disease. The incubation period is 16 days, so it will be awhile before the extent and severity of the exposure could be assessed.

The security in the printing plants throughout the US would be minimal at best. "
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Dixie

Inactive
I thought about this as I'm ashamed to admit I have been know to read a Star and Enquirer or two. Actually I had just finished reading one when I got my e-mail about the second anthrax case.

That was the first thing that came to mind but I dismissed it as being totally paronoid. Plus I had house guest and a small child with them so I tried to put it in the back of my mind until later.

I don't know if something like that could even be done but I was thinking also about the economicial loss involved if people even think this could be done well goodbye tabloids and from what I understand they are quite a large business so another business bites the dust.

What next Ladies Home Journal or National Geo? I sure do wish though that the PTB would make a statement about the possibility or impossibility of such a thing happening. It would relieve a lot of inquiring minds. No pun intended.
 

Donald Shimoda

In Absentia
This is gonna sound crazy, but bear with me on this...

...beer.

BIG brewery.

Like Annheiser-Busch.

Bud products, and I think some "malt beverage" (faux wine coolers) type stuff.

Do they own any interest in hard likkah bottling?

Reason for this - good Muslims DON'T DRINK Alcohol.

Kill the infidels...
 
Z

zakjan

Guest
Tabloids infected?

Taz I'm glad to hear your Dr. chose to be honest with you.

I was just watching one of the news stations that was interviewing people in the area that were lined up at a clinic for testing. It seems 400 sum people are there for testing, and antibiotics.
One of them informed News people that it was detected on a keyboard...

Ashcroft was clear at his daily news conference that this was a huge investigation and of great concern. What does that tell you....

I think that the government expects "Casualities" during this war and would rather accept some casualities rather then spread panic!!!

Man we are gonna have to be careful at checkouts until they straighten this mess out, and come clean with it!!
With all of Binny's threats, you know it is way to quiet to be peaceful.....Something has to be cooking from the back door..


Jan
 

Troke

On TB every waking moment
One of the things that fascinates me about this forum's posters is their ability to hold two completely contradictory thoughts at the same time and not notice it.

1. The government is too incompetant to know or do anything other than debauch the currency and stumble into war. We can rely only on ourselves.

2. The government knows everything but won't tell us, the lying bastards.
 

blackmo

Inactive
Hell, I'm convinced...It's safe to say that if a middle eastern looking guy comes floating over my apartment building in a hot airt balloon, dropping bundles of National Enquirers, I'll be suiting up in my Bio-Hazard suit and donning my gas mask ASAP.
 

bw

Fringe Ranger
Not Mensa, I'm pretty sure

Alan,

No two Mensa members can ever agree on what to do, so a
conspiracy is impossible. They've been arguing for 4 decades
or more over what Mensa was formed for!

However, a rogue Mensan might concoct such a scheme ...

Craig
 

Troke

On TB every waking moment
Just as a general thought, news print is acid. If you don't treat the stuff, it eats itself up. I can't say that I have made a close acquaintance with any anthrax people, but the fact that the paper is acid might have some effect on the ability of anthrax to survive very long.

So there there may be hope yet for you guys who get all your news from the National Enquirer.
 

Donald Shimoda

In Absentia
Weird; this is the second place I've heard MENSA in connection with this...

...here's the first place:


<img src=http://www.salon.com/comics/tomo/2001/09/24/tomo/story.gif>

Is it a conspiracy? Who knows?

(Not being a member of MENSA, I can only guess...)
 
M

mikeymac

Guest
Hey A&L

As to the posters remark about the incubation period of anthrax spore being 16 days, I just saw a televised report that read "---up to 60 days---" Fill in the blanks and one could postulate that it depends upon the general health and condition of the one/s infected.
This brings about the obvious factoring of possible IF-THEN matrices. Gives the old addage 'follow the money' a whole new meaning huh?

"Keep looking up, er down, err under, errrr....Jeezzz"

Aside; Sure hope I get to see the VW someday :)
Love, Mike
 

A.T.Hagan

Inactive
Re: Not Mensa, I'm pretty sure

bw said:
Alan,

No two Mensa members can ever agree on what to do, so a
conspiracy is impossible. They've been arguing for 4 decades
or more over what Mensa was formed for!

However, a rogue Mensan might concoct such a scheme ...

Craig

But of course that could all be a clever ruse to mislead us! Remember, by definition we're dealing with highly intelligent people here who will go to great lengths to throw us off the scent so to speak of the responsible parties.

Who better to frame for the job but Osama Bin Laden? We're going to kill him anyways, no one will believe him if he denies that he put anthrax spores in the pages of the National Enquirer, and MENSA will then be rid of some of their most troublesome opponents - Enquirer readers, and militant religious fundamentalists!

Ahh, the elegance and subtlelty of the thing! It's a plot that would do Moriarity proud...

...........Alan.
 

Onebyone

Inactive
If it is possible to do it with the papers that go into supermarkets just think what would happen if they do it to all the big toilet paper companies at once. Everyone young and old wipes their behinds with the stuff. We would all be coming down with it at once and there would not even be anyone to help the sick.

Many foreign women work in sewing factories even over seas think if all fabric were to be infected in several mills. Course this would kill off people in other countries first but clothing goes from design to stores in thirty days now.
 

moocollins

Rider of the storm!
THIS AUGHT TO REALLY SHAKE YOUR TREE!

The delivery vehicle is NOT the paper, but the INK<p>
Most of these rags are printed with BIODEGRADABLE Soya/Water based ink.<p>This ink is unique in that it is affected by spoilage (it has to to be biodegradable). That means not only could you put biological agents in it but it would actually help bacteria live!<p>Think about it,these rags are one of the few with NATIONAL distribution. If true, just ask, how many of you can read a paper without getting ink on your hands??????????????????????
 

dimplebutt

Inactive
A few years back, there was a fanatical religious leader who took up residence in Oregon along with many followers. They infiltrated the county where they gained the majority voting rights. Many of the longtime residents started making a big stink about this group and the CIA and FBI began their investigation. This same group poisoned a salad bar at a local store with salmonella. And remember the guy who posioned bottles of Tylenol? There are other instances of selective poisonings in the food chain. I stay away from buffets, and salad bars. BTW, the terrorists made a stop in Las Vegas before the hijackings, wonder where they ate and what were they doing there?:confused:
 
M

MISSOURIAN

Guest
I was thinking along the same line as Donald. Beer and cigarettes. Hit those two and you've hit a big part of the nation.:eek:
 

Maggie

Inactive
Wanting to add, the ventilation system as a means of transfer of the anthrax. Of course that's not thinking out of the box but, since it was reported that anthrax was found on one of the keyboards, it might explain how it got into that building.
 
C

C.B.

Guest
Can dollar bills be infected?

:eek: Can paper money be infected? I wonder if any old resources might be available that discuss "dirty money" and its ability to spread germs? One could extrapolate from there what risk there could be with newspaper ink.

If indeed a tabloid office was "chosen" by terrorists, we're definitely dealing with some twisted, ironic minds. Bear in mind that not only are the tabloids a glaring example of the less desirable sides of the media (to some people, anyhow - though they do break some stories no one else does).

Also, the opposition leader killed in Afghanistan back around the time of WTC was killed by someone posing as a journalist (was really a suicide bomber).

Then you've got the spectacular nature of the WTC thing itself (which by nature of height and location was immediately visible to the major networks).

Then you've got bin Laden's videotaped message.

And also perhaps the timing on 9-11 which could've (but perhaps wasn't) a play on 911 as an emergency number.

It could all be coincidence, but if not, someone's a showman with a lot of interest in the media, and a mind for bizarre plots.

Something to keep in mind as things go on - see what happens, what media-related things may happen from here on out. Wonder if the al Qaeda network has any mass media grads?

Just a thought.

As to other topics, am thinking if something pans out with this anthrax issue - and other questions raised recently about some Arab guys applying at a bottled water plant - might not be the worst idea to limit activities:

- If you're going to go to fast food outlets, drink bottled water or other foods, etc., perhaps do two things. One, pick the brand that's not the most popular. Two, stick to one brand and/or location because it would lower the risk.

That's something I'd consider doing if this whole thing gets weirder. I'm curious to see what articles the Sun or Nat'l. Enquirer has run recently, but there's just no way I'm going to touch the current issues.

C.B.
 

Cascadians

Leska Emerald Adams
You guys are getting warmer! Lots of pertinent possibilities to be aware of!

If the FBI can hire Hollywood think tanks to bat about scenarios, why can't TB2K do what it does best and outsmart and out<b>foil</b> the terrorists!

We always carry gloves and alchohol swabs to clean our hands after touching doors, shopping cart handles, etc.

Now we need to think about places and items to avoid.

Keep your lightbulbs firing!
 

dimplebutt

Inactive
Ink? Highly unlikely.



Printing Ink is a complex mixture of ingredients that are combined in a specific formulation to meet desired characteristics of the printing application of the ink. This article will focus on no-heat printing ink formulations and how some of the raw materials are derived. Ingredients in no-heat inks fall into four major classifications: Pigments, Resins, Oils or Carriers, and Additives.



The function of the pigment is to provide the coloristic properties of the ink. The resin is added as a dispersion aid and also as a binder to affix the pigment to the paper. The oil or carrier is the medium for transferring the pigment and resin through the press to the paper. Additives are used in no-heat inks to control pigment wetting and dispersion, viscosity and flow characteristics, as well as to provide a proper ink/water balance.

To review these ingredients in more detail, let us look at some news ink formulations. Figure 2 shows typical black formulations for both the Web Offset and Letterpress printing techniques. The ingredients used in these types of formulations are both similar, however, they are different in concentration.

The pigment used in news ink blacks is carbon black. Carbon black is produced by cracking oil in a continuous furnace. These furnaces are highly controlled in order to produce a specific grade of pigment varying in particle size and structure. The oil used is also of a specific grade so that certain requirements can be met.

The ink film thickness applied by the printing application dictates the concentration of pigment needed to meet the required print density. As you can see from the typical formulations, the web offset ink has a higher concentration of pigment than that of the letterpress. This is because the letterpress printing process applies a much thicker film of ink than web offset.

Resins for news ink vary depending on the rub off quality that an ink requires. The resins are the most expensive part of a news ink black, so their selection and concentration are limited by economic restraints. The oil or carriers used in today's news black are treated napthenic petroleum oils. Since these oils are non-drying the drying process of a news ink is by absorption of this oil into the paper stock. Changes in the absorption characteristics of the newsprint can drastically affect the rub off quality of the finished product also.

The oils are non-drying under press conditions and are designed this way. Typically newspaper presses are not temperature controlled nor are the rollers washed up at the end of a run. If any volatile material was used, the ink would tend to dry on the roller train and cause problems. The heat set printing process by contrast uses volatile oils in their printing process. These oils are driven off the ink film by passing the printed web through an oven, thus leaving only the pigment and resins on the printed sheet. This explains why heat set inks have better rub off characteristics.

Additives used in news black are from a variety of different materials. News ink black will require different viscosity or flow characteristics depending on the type of press used. The ink is also required to provide a proper emulsification rate so that the web offset printing process will work. If a formulation did not accept any fountain solution, the ink would not transfer to the plate and stripping would result. If an ink emulsified too much fountain solution, high dot gain and poor print quality would result. In extreme cases, ink would tend to go to the non-image area of a plate and scum.

Figure 3 shows a typical color ink for a newspaper ink. The pigments used in news ink colors are what are classified as organic pigments. Organic pigments are synthetic materials that are formed under specific conditions to produce the desired characteristics of color and crystal size. The typical pigments used are Phthalocyanine blue for cyan, Lithol Rubine for magenta, and Diarylide yellow for yellow.

Pigments for the printing ink industry are supplied in the form of heavy concentrated bases or "Flushes." In the normal course of pigment manufacture, the color pigment is produced in an aqueous environment resulting in a pigment suspension. After synthesis, the color pigment is filtered from the suspension and dried to produce dry color. In producing the flush color, the pigment is not fully dried. The water-based slurry is concentrated to approximately 20 to 30% pigment. The slurry at this point is called a presscake. Instead of going through the drying process, the presscake is mixed with an oil-based varnish. The two components are kneaded together in a mixer. The pigments have a greater affinity for the oil-based material. The water is "flushed" out or displaced by the varnish as the pigment migrates from the water phase into the oil. This process is continued until all the water is removed, thus creating the flushed color.

The resins used for colors tend to be much cleaner in color than those used for black inks, so that the printed color can reflect its truer color. The oils used by the newspaper market today are from the vegetable family. The newspaper market found that the soy bean oil type formulations produced a better product for this application. Soy bean oil is a naturally renewable resource, which is extracted from the bean. The food industry also uses this type of oil in some of their products.

Color printing inks also use extender pigments. These pigments are typically kaolin type clays and provide functional properties to a given formulation. The additives used in color inks are similar in nature to those in black inks.

What is ink? We learned in this article that ink is comprised of various raw materials at specific proportions which are called formulas. When formulating quality newspaper inks, it is not only important to have the proper ingredients, but also the proper manufacturing and quality control techniques. When these parameters are optimized, the quality inks developed in the laboratory can be made on a much larger scale in production. In future articles US Ink corporation will discuss these topics in greater detail.

[ The information provided here is general in nature and you may need to change the methods or practices discussed here to fit your particular circumstances. The information is US Ink's only based on its past experience, and it shall not be responsible for any results obtained from using this material without consulting a qualified technician experienced in the particular subject and with the particular printing conditions to be applied. ]


http://www.usink.com/what_is_ink.html

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I use to work for a printer, and I don't believe this is an avenue to circulate biochemicals or germs.
 
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