WAR Russia is disengaging from Syria: Arms shipments stopped, warships exit Tartus

[China Connection]

Here we go the start of World War Three for Christmas.


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Russia is disengaging from Syria: Arms shipments stopped, warships exit Tartus

http://www.debka.com/article/22314/...a-Arms-shipments-stopped-warships-exit-Tartus

DEBKAfile Exclusive Report August 29, 2012, 4:44 PM (GMT+02:00) Tags: Russia Syria Tartus arms shipment Vladimir Putin Russian Navy in Tartus Russian naval vessels have unexpectedly departed the Syrian Mediterranean port of Tartus and Russian arms shipments to Syria have been suddenly discontinued. debkafile’s military sources reveal that those and other steps indicate that the Russians are rapidly drawing away from the Syrian arena to avoid getting caught up in the escalating hostilities expected to arise from military intervention by the US, Europe and a number of Arab states. Russian intelligence appears to have decided that this outside intervention is imminent and Moscow looks anxious to keep its distance for now.

According to our military and Russian sources, these drastic steps must have been personally ordered by President Vladimir Putin. He is believed to have acted over the objections of some of his army and naval chiefs. This would explain the mixed statements issuing from Moscow in recent days about the disposition of Russian personnel at the naval base in Tartus and Russian military personnel in Syria.

Wednesday, Aug. 22, Commander of the Russian Navy Vice Adm. Viktor Chirkov said that if the fighting in Syria reached Tartus, Moscow may decide to evacuate the base. He stressed that this decision would have to be taken on the authority of President Putin. He was the first Russian official to suggest the possibility of an evacuation.
A week later, Aug. 28, Russian chief of staff Gen. Nikolai Makarov denied anything had changed in the working procedures of Russian military personnel in Syria or that there were any plans to evacuate the Russian naval base in Tartus:

"I think it's too early to draw conclusions [from the situation in Syria]," said the general. "No one is running away from there.”

When a Russian journalist pressed the general and ventured to ask whether Moscow was terminating its military involvement in Syria, Marakov retorted, “Why are you so worried about Syria?"
But he didn’t answer the question.

debkafile's military sources disclose that the Russians have taken five significant military steps with regard to Syria in the last two weeks:

1. They cancelled a large-scale naval exercise dubbed “Caucasus 2012” scheduled to start mid-August in the eastern Mediterranean opposite the Syrian coast;

2. Warships from three fleets - the Northern, Baltic and Black Sea – concentrated opposite Syria have dispersed and returned to their bases;

3. Syrian President Bashar Assad was notified that Moscow was halting military aid to his army - except for intelligence updates and advice on logistics from Russian military advisers;

4. Moscow has not clearly announced a freeze on arms shipments, including replacement parts for Russian weapons, which make up the bulk of the Syrian army's weaponry. Officials have only said, “There are no large Russian weapons shipments planned in the near future to Syria."

5. The only Russian naval ship left in Tartus - a floating Russian Navy PM-138 shipyard – is also under orders to depart Tartus and return to the Black Sea in September.
A Russian source disclosed that all the remaining Russian personnel in Tartus have gathered on the floating shipyard, except for two officers on shore. This vessel and the remaining personnel are evidently packed up and ready to sail at any moment out of the Syrian port.

 

[Shea Grey]

Putin is one darn good chess player.....i bet you he got the only thing he REALLY wanted......NATO BMD expansion , (ballistic missile defense) in former warsaw pact nations is now halted. Thats the one thing he and Russian REALLY want.....no BMD.

 

[Michael111]

Putin is one darn good chess player.....i bet you he got the only thing he REALLY wanted......NATO BMD expansion , (ballistic missile defense) in former warsaw pact nations is now halted. Thats the one thing he and Russian REALLY want.....no BMD.

Exactly! Look for this thing to kick off soon!, very, very soon!

 

[Shea Grey]

Exactly! Look for this thing to kick off soon!, very, very soon!

right, but without Russian "interference", dont you think? WW3 means nuclear weapons release as the endgame, and i really dont think any of these guys want that.

a nice king hell regional war? why not, its "good" for business, but nukes? not so much, means nobody gets Christmas bonus's.

If i was an American 'chess player', my counsel would be to see a way to peal the Russians AWAY from the Chinese, appeal to their most base racial instincts, and low self esteem need to be with the winning side and blond prom queens...just saying.

 

[mzkitty]

I posted a tweet about the Russians this morning. Other than that, the Syrian tweet grids don't seem to be paying any attention to it. If I was Russia I'd bail out of there too. Anybody who gets involved in that mess is begging for it, I'd say. One tweeter last night said if Aleppo falls, Syria falls, Russia falls, and on from there.... I'm disgusted but I'll give you these two from just now. Odd that they are bailing just when Assad decides to show up, am I right? If he really did, that is. I still have seen no proof it was really him in that interview.

Prof_dhistoire: Old Tweet: The more aggressive #US policy, the more feckless #EU policy, greater is danger of unexpected consequences of war w/ #Syria #Iran
Wednesday, August 29, 2012 7:49:11 PM

Mark22214: #Government in #Syria that has been setup did say then should had listened to the people sooner! A lesson also coming to the #USA
Wednesday, August 29, 2012 7:46:41 PM

 

[Shea Grey]

I posted a tweet about the Russians this morning. Other than that, the Syrian tweet grids don't seem to be paying any attention to it. If I was Russia I'd bail out of there too. Anybody who gets involved in that mess is begging for it, I'd say. One tweeter last night said if Aleppo falls, Syria falls, Russia falls, and on from there.... I'm disgusted but I'll give you these two from just now. Odd that they are bailing just when Assad decides to show up, am I right? If he really did, that is. I still have seen no proof it was really him in that interview.

Prof_dhistoire: Old Tweet: The more aggressive #US policy, the more feckless #EU policy, greater is danger of unexpected consequences of war w/ #Syria #Iran
Wednesday, August 29, 2012 7:49:11 PM

Mark22214: #Government in #Syria that has been setup did say then should had listened to the people sooner! A lesson also coming to the #USA
Wednesday, August 29, 2012 7:46:41 PM

Kitty, i never get the chance to thank you for all the briefings, in that i have a "twitter phobia". So thank you very much.

 

[China Connection]

Well Iran is in there with its military so Syria goes then it should mean Iran goes too.



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[LightEcho]

I don't see how any of you surmise WW3 from that. In fact, it is just the opposite... a delay. What this tells me is the Russians have not gotten assurances from China. China is likely playing their own game and not giving any confidence to Russia or North Korea. Why? China must be looking for more profits using the economic system that is so heavily stacked in their favor. They lose too much in a world war of military fights, while they continue to gain in the economic war. But, that view can change over night.

 

[Shea Grey]

Well Iran is in there with its military so Syria goes then it should mean Iran goes too.



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CC, what about this scenario, Syria "belongs" to NATO/US and Iran is an Israeli operation, concentrating on their nuclear weapons infrastructure?

to 'gank' Iran, meaning boots on the ground, land invasion, wouldnt that take up to 500,000 troops, MINIMUM?...its kind of a scary thing to contemplate, wargame out, because i dont think China would sit on its hands for any kind of Anglo-Euro-US land invasion of Iran, do you?

 

[Shea Grey]

I don't see how any of you surmise WW3 from that. In fact, it is just the opposite... a delay. What this tells me is the Russians have not gotten assurances from China. China is likely playing their own game and not giving any confidence to Russia or North Korea. Why? China must be looking for more profits using the economic system that is so heavily stacked in their favor. They lose too much in a world war of military fights, while they continue to gain in the economic war. But, that view can change over night.

thats a good point...true.

 

[Hfcomms]

We gotta wait for Christmas for WWIII now? Doom delay. It was supposed to kick off this fall already according to the prognosticators. I don't see Russia or China eager for such a development. We are becoming more and more communist every day here. Why take by force what you can mop up be default after we collapse under our own weight?

 

[Shea Grey]

We gotta wait for Christmas for WWIII now? Doom delay. It was supposed to kick off this fall already according to the prognosticators. I don't see Russia or China eager for such a development. We are becoming more and more communist every day here. Why take by force what you can mop up be default after we collapse under our own weight?

oh please dont remind me.

at least in the Youp, and the Great White North, here, we will be the last to fall...IF we allow it....i'm 52, my brothers 57, we aint got the kick we used to have.....doesnt mean we'll just keel over, but.....dont remind me...please. (lol)

 

[LightEcho]

CC, what about this scenario, Syria "belongs" to NATO/US and Iran is an Israeli operation, concentrating on their nuclear weapons infrastructure?

to 'gank' Iran, meaning boots on the ground, land invasion, wouldnt that take up to 500,000 troops, MINIMUM?...its kind of a scary thing to contemplate, wargame out, because i dont think China would sit on its hands for any kind of Anglo-Euro-US land invasion of Iran, do you?

We cannot look at Syria as EVER belonging to NATO or US. They are being overrun by "rebels" who are the islamic brotherhood- jihadists- same as Egypt & Libya. There is a band of tribes being set up to command many millions of muslims who hate Israel and will seek to wage war against Israel.

Right now I have no idea why they want to do this, other than they are following the orders of their master- the devil. Maybe the devil is setting up multiple layers of armies to kill off the jews and the christians. They will hit Israel in Palestine and they will attempt to establish shariah law in many outland places. The new world religion will incorporate sharia.

 

[China Connection]

Look most places have huge unemployment but are hiding the true figures. Either this or are staring at unemployment going mad due to the economies in Europe, the U.S. and China falling off a cliff face.

Most countries have killer debt problems so perfect reasons are in place for the start of a World War. So we will have it.

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World War Three in Brief A Three World War scenario was developed several decades ago (see

A Three World War scenario was developed several decades ago (see Conspiratorial History). Two World Wars have already been achieved, and the Third and final World War envisions an attack on Iraq, Iran and/or Syria as being the trigger to set the entire Middle East into fiery conflagration. Once America is firmly entrenched into the Middle East with the majority of her first-line units, North Korea is to attack South Korea. Then, with America's forces stretched well beyond the limit, China is to invade Taiwan. This will usher in the start of World War Three.


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[northern watch]

Kremlin ‘Suspends’ Use of Tartus Naval Base in Syria

The Moderate Voice 26-Aug-12

Could it be that the unending stream of reports of a Russian military buildup in Syria – specifically at Russia’s Tartus naval facility – are false? Quoting sources in Russia’s Defense Ministry and Russian officials – not all of who appear happy about the policy, Nezavisimaya Gazeta columnist Vladimir Mukhin writes that not only is use of the naval base being ‘suspended,’ but Russian naval ships in the area are leaving or gone, and there are no major arms shipments headed to Syria from Russia.

In an article at variance with just about every Western and Israeli news gathering organization, for the Nezavisimaya Gazeta, Vladimir Mukhin starts off this way:

Russia has suspended use of its naval base in Tartus, Syria. But it refuses to rule out using it in the future. In addition, the central principles of cooperation with Damascus in the military sphere have been set: Moscow will support the Assad regime primarily at the political level, intelligence and humanitarian spheres.

There are no large weapons shipments planned. Nezavisimaya Gazeta obtained these reports from military and diplomatic sources who participated in recent talks with Syria’s official delegation, which visited Moscow earlier in the week.

Thus it has now become clear why naval groups from the three fleets (Northern, Baltic and Black Sea) that had gathered in the Mediterranean unexpectedly broke up, and the General Staff has changed its plans to base the Northern Fleet in the Black Sea.

According to Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov, there is still a chance of achieving Syrian national reconciliation, and therefore given the circumstances, military support for the Assad regime is not the main objective. In contrast to the West, which has begun actively arming the opposition, Russia has deliberately withdrawn practically all of its military forces from the Mediterranean.

Interestingly and perhaps tellingly, later on in the report, Mukhin quotes an anonymous Defense Ministry source:

After the exercise and being resupplied, the ships could have continued to duty in the Mediterranean. Not anymore. Naval groups from the NATO countries are already concentrated off the Syrian coast. The concentration of Russian ships would have been dwarfed by NATO’s.

“Our naval base in Tartus will not support a military option. We cannot physically act militarily against countries supporting the Syrian opposition,” the Defense Ministry source said.

http://themoderatevoice.com/157365/...val-base-in-syria-nezavisimaya-gazeta-russia/

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Three days ago I received from a friend, the report I posted above. I did not post the report here until I received confirmation. If Debka is cofirmation then Russia is making a major move.

 

[northern watch]

We gotta wait for Christmas for WWIII now? Doom delay. It was supposed to kick off this fall already according to the prognosticators. I don't see Russia or China eager for such a development. We are becoming more and more communist every day here. Why take by force what you can mop up be default after we collapse under our own weight?

Hfcomms,

For what is going on in Syria, you will not have to wait until Christmas for something big to happen.

NW

 

[China Connection]

Last U.N. observers start leaving Syria


By Albert Aji, Associated Press
Updated 8/18/2012 4:47 AM

http://www.usatoday.com/news/world/story/2012-08-18/Syria-UN/57126718/1

DAMASCUS, Syria (AP) — A United Nations spokeswoman says the last U.N. observers still in Syria have started to leave the country as their mission officially ends at midnight Sunday.

Juliette Touma tells The Associated Press that the rest of the observers will leave within hours. There are about 100 observers left in Syria — a third of the number at the peak of the mission earlier this year.

Their departure comes after the Security Council agreed to end the U.N. mission and back a small new liaison office that will support any future peace efforts.

The U.N.'s top body has acknowledged that international efforts to significantly reduce the violence and end the Syrian government's use of heavy weapons — conditions set for the mission's possible extension — have failed.

 

[SIRR1]

Just thinking out of the box for a moment.

I don't see how any of you surmise WW3 from that. In fact, it is just the opposite... a delay.

What this tells me is the Russians have not gotten assurances from China. China is likely playing their own game and not giving any confidence to Russia or North Korea. Why?

China must be looking for more profits using the economic system that is so heavily stacked in their favor. They lose too much in a world war of military fights, while they continue to gain in the economic war. But, that view can change over night.

Interesting LightEcho very interesting...

I am a little surprised about the Soviets pulling out of Tartus, it was my impression they really wanted that deep water port in the Med, it could have just been a ploy by Putin like Shea Gray mentioned.

Could land based fighter aircraft from China make it to Iran or Syria?

I am not sure if the Chinese have air refueling tankers in their airforce, I am guessing they do?

Possibly the Chinese Airforce could make stops in Pakistan to refuel after hopping over the Himalayas from China, I doubt if India would allow them to overfly or refuel there so my guess it would be Pakistan in exchange for large sums of money or debt forgivness.

Currently China’s blue water Navy is under construction and with only 1 aircraft carrier at this time expansionism or expeditions to the Middle East are somewhat limited IMO at this time.

Moving parts of the Chicom Navy to the ME with no air support in a time of conflict would be pretty silly.

Once Chinese airpower is in position in either Iran, Pakistan or Syria or all three the Chinese could move parts of their Navy like Destroyers and Frigets along with container ships full of supplies and soldiers to the region in support of Assad and Iran we know they have this capability for moving large amounts of anything by sea anytime anywhere.

Talk about a game changer, the Chinese have the money and the manpower to go into the ME using land based fighter aircraft and prop up Assad or protect Iran and their crude for a thirsty country.

We could wake up one day and see on CNN the Chicom Airforce in Iran!

With the Soviets pulling out of Syria could the Chinese pull something like this off, maybe use the North Koreans as bait?

My mind tends to wander when I am tired and stressed and so far this week it has been a doosie on the stress level.

SIRR1

 

[China Connection]

Syria And Iran Dominos Lead To World War

Wednesday, 22 August 2012 02:45 Brandon Smith

Almost three years ago I wrote an analytical piece on the concept of deliberately engineered wars, big and small, by elitists to distract the masses away from particular global developments that work to the benefit of the establishment power structure. That article was entitled ‘Will The Globalists Trigger Yet Another World War?’:

http://www.alt-market.com/neithercorp/press/2010/01/will-globalists-trigger-yet-another-world-war/

In that analysis, I concluded that since at least 2008, the power’s that be (whether posing as Republicans or Democrats) had set in a motion a series of events that revolved around Iran, and most disturbingly, Syria, which could be used to trigger a vast global war scenario. Today, unfortunately, it seems my concerns were more than valid, and circumstances evolving in that particular region are dire indeed.

Now, some may argue that circumstances in the Middle East have always been “dire” and that it does not take much to predict a renewal of chaos. Admittedly, for the past six years alone the American public has been treated to one propaganda campaign after the other testing the social waters to see if a sizable majority of the citizenry could be convinced to support strikes against Iran. The U.S. and Israeli governments have come very close on several occasions in rhetoric and in the build up of arms, to just such an event. However, I would submit that the previous threats of war that came and went are absolutely nothing in comparison to the danger today.

Syria’s civil war has developed into something quite frightening, well beyond the blind insurrections of the so-called “Arab Spring”. So many outside interests (especially U.S. interests) are involved in the conflict it is impossible to tell whether there are actually any real revolutionaries in Syria anymore. This unsettling of the country’s foundation has taken a turn which I warned about recently, namely, the removal of UN monitors from the area, which was announced only days ago:

http://in.reuters.com/article/2012/08/16/syria-crisis-idINL6E8JGDXH20120816

The removal of UN monitors is a sign that some kind of strike is near the horizon.

Accusations of potential “chemical weapons stores” in Syria are being floated by the Department of Defense as a clear cut rationale for invasion, and Israel has essentially admitted that an attack on Iran is not only on the table but beyond planning stages into near implementation. Even Israeli citizens are openly worried that their government is “serious” this time in its calls for preemptive attack, stockpiling gas masks and even protesting against the policy:

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-...trike-as-citizens-say-government-serious.html

The tension of the atmosphere surrounding this crisis is unlike anything the Middle East has seen in decades, and that includes the U.S. invasions of Iraq and Afghanistan.

But before we can understand the true gravity of this situation, we must first confront some misconceptions…

Firstly, I realize that there are many people out there who have natural and conditioned inclinations towards the hatred of Muslim nations. There are also just as many people out there who are inclined to distrust the intentions of the government of Israel. Both sides make good points on occasion, and both sides also have a tendency to get lazy, painting with a ridiculously broad brush and blaming all the woes of the world on one side or the other so that they don’t have to think through the complexities of globalism and the one world technocratic club, or accept that “Al-Qaeda” is not the biggest threat to peace and stability. It’s much easier to convict an entire race, or an entire religion, than it is to comprehend the mechanizations of an elite minority that plays both sides off each other.

Whatever side you may favor, simply know that in the end the sides are irrelevant. We could argue for months about who is just, who is right, who was there first, etc. Again, it’s irrelevant. What does matter, though, are the potential consequences of an exponential conflict in the region, which no one can afford.

Sadly, there are still plenty of Americans out there that believe the U.S. is the “richest nation on the globe” and has finances beyond reckoning with which to wage endless wars.

Here are the facts. Here is exactly what will happen if the U.S., NATO, or Israel, enter into a hot war with either Iran or Syria, and the results are not optimistic:

1) Syria And Iran Will Join Forces

In 2006, Iran and Syria signed a mutual defense treaty in response to the growing possibility of conflict with the West. Both countries are highly inclined to fulfill this treaty, and it would seem that Iran is already doing so, at least financially, as Syria spirals into civil war. In fact, the U.S. supported insurgency in Syria was likely developed in order to strain or test the mutual aid treaty. Given that the CFR is now applauding Al-Qaeda for its efforts in destabilizing the country, I hardly find it outlandish to suggest that the entire rebellion is being at least loosely organized by NATO interests to either draw Iran into open military support of Assad and a weakening proxy war, or to remove Syria from the equation in preparation for a strike on Iran itself (take notice that whenever the mainstream media shows images of Syrian rebels, they are always smiling or looking valiant with guns held high; a typical subliminal tactic used to paint them as “the good guys”):

http://www.cfr.org/syria/al-qaedas-specter-syria/p28782

2) Iran Will Shut Down The Strait Of Hormuz

With all the grandstanding at the Department of Defense, you would think that the Hormuz is a non-issue. This is a mistake. The strait is around 21 miles wide at its narrowest point which lays right off the coast of Iran, however, of that 21 miles only two safe shipping lanes are available, each measuring a miniscule 2 miles across. Hormuz is one of two of the most vital oil transit checkpoints in the world, and approximately 20% of all oil produced passes through it. The logistics for blocking the two working shipping lanes on the strait are simple given the existence of the new Ghader Missile System, which Iran tested successfully this year. The weapon is specifically designed as a “ship-killer” with the ability to travel at Mach 3, and evade most known radar methods:

http://www.usatoday.com/news/world/story/2012-01-01/iran-missile-test/52318422/1

In the tightly boxed in waterways of the Hormuz, a large scale and difficult to track missile attack would be devastating to any Navy present, and would turn the sea lanes into a junk yard impossible to navigate for oil tankers. Result? A catastrophic inflationary event in oil around the world, making gasoline unaffordable for most people and most uses. The EU’s recent move to stockpile oil in preparation for an Iran strike reveals the seriousness of the situation:

http://www.euractiv.com/energy/europe-starts-piling-oil-iran-wa-news-514340

3) Israeli Action Will Draw In The U.S.

Forget what the U.S. Joint Chief of Staff General Martin Dempsey says; the U.S. will absolutely involve itself militarily in Iran or Syria following an Israeli strike. To begin with, there is no way around a supporting or primary role, especially when Iran closes the Strait of Hormuz. With 20% of the world’s oil supply on hiatus, at least half of the American populace will be crying out for U.S. military involvement. Guaranteed. Dempsey’s claim that Israel may not get American support is simply a charade meant to infer that the subversion of Syria and Iran is not necessarily a joint venture, which it absolutely is. There is zero chance that an Israeli strike will not be met with frantic calls by the Pentagon and the White House to open the floodgates of U.S. military might and protect one of our few “democratic allies” in the Middle East.

4) Syria Will Receive Support From Russia And China

The Russian government has clearly stated on numerous occasions that they will not step back during a strike against Syria, and has even begun positioning naval ships and extra troops at is permanent base off the coast of Tartus, a development which I have been warning about for years:

http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/08/03/us-syria-russia-navy-idUSBRE8720AO20120803

Tartus is Russia’s only naval base outside the periphery of its borders, and is strategically imperative to the nation. Action by the U.S. or Israel against Syria would invariably elicit, at the very least, economic retaliation, and at the most, Russian military involvement and possible widespread war.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/08/21/us-syria-crisis-idUSBRE8610SH20120821

China, on the other hand, will likely respond with full scale financial retaliation, up to and including a dump of U.S. Treasury Bonds (a move which they have been preparing for since 2005 anyway). With oil prices skyrocketing due to increased Middle Eastern distress, multiple countries including the BRIC trading bloc nations and most of the ASEAN trading bloc will have the perfect excuse to dump the dollar, allowing for the introduction of the IMF’s newly revamped SDR (Special Drawing Rights) global currency mechanism to take hold.

Syria is the key to what I believe will be an attempt on the part of globalists within our government to actually coax a volatile conflict into being, a conflict that will create ample cover for the final push towards global currency, and eventually, global governance.

5) Economic Implosion Will Become “Secondary”…To The Banksters’ Benefit

In the minds of the general public, the economic distress that we will soon face regardless of whether or not there is ever a war with Iran and Syria will be an afterthought, at least for a time, if the threat of global combat becomes reality. The fog of war is a fantastic cover for all kind of crime, most especially the economic kind. Sizable wars naturally inhibit markets and cause erratic flux in capital flows. Anything, and I mean anything, can be blamed on a war, even the destruction of the U.S. economy and the dollar. Of course, the real culprits (international and central banks) which have been corrupting and dismantling the American fiscal structure for decades will benefit most from the distraction.

Syria and Iran are, in a way, the first dominos in a long chain of terrible events. This chain, as chaotic as it seems, leads to only one end result: Third world status for almost every country on the planet, including the U.S., leaving the financial institutions, like monetary grim reapers, to swoop in and gather up the pieces that remain to be fashioned into a kind of Frankenstein economy. A fiscal golem. A global monstrosity that removes all sovereignty whether real or imagined and centralizes the decision making processes of humanity into the hands of a morally bankrupt few.

For those on the side of Israel, the U.S., and NATO, and for those on the side of the Middle East, Russia China, etc., the bottom line is, there will be no winners. There is no "best case scenario". There will be no victory parade, for anyone. There will be no great reformation or peace in the cradle of civilization. The only people celebrating at the end of the calamitous hostilities will be the hyper-moneyed power addicted .01%, who will celebrate their global coup in private, laughing as the rest of the world burns itself out, and comes begging them for help.

http://www.alt-market.com/articles/994-syria-and-iran-dominos-lead-to-world-war

 

[mzkitty]

Finally someone in Syria says something. The Russian demand is in response to the horrible massacres a few day ago in which hundreds of people were murdered. But nobody's still really talking about them leaving.... a lot of them think it's Iran who is the boogie man, but others say it's us.

mog7546: #Russia demands probe into “barbaric” violence near #Damascus http://t.co/CyqniMCu … … 320 #SYRIAN'S KILLED - IS NOW #PUTIN AGAINST #ASSAD?
Wednesday, August 29, 2012 10:19:29 PM

 

[American Rage]

If anybody is orchestrating the world into war, it would be the United Nations and their global minions. Hint: most of you hate the American variety.

But that's just my crazy opinion.

 

[Y2kO]

http://www.infowars.com/ny-times-scrubs-mention-of-cia-arming-syrian-rebels/

NY Times Scrubs Mention Of CIA Arming Syrian Rebels
Establishment media careful to hide direct aid to terrorist-aligned FSA
Paul Joseph Watson
Infowars.com
Tuesday, August 28, 2012

In an article about France urging Syrian rebels to form a provisional government, the New York Times scrubbed a passage which revealed that the CIA was helping funnel arms to rebel groups that have aligned themselves with Al-Qaeda terrorists.

Version three of the story, posted at 19:45:05 UTC yesterday and entitled France Says It Would Recognize Provisional Syrian Government, included the line, ” American intelligence agents have helped funnel arms to rebel groups.”

However, fifteen minutes later the revelation that the CIA was arming the rebels was removed and replaced with the words, “American intelligence agents have helped to identify the rebel groups that receive arms.”

Copies of the two different versions of the article can be viewed here.
http://www.newssniffer.co.uk/articles/548196/diff/3/4

This change of wording, albeit subtle, serves to absolve the CIA of directly arming rebels, who are admittedly being led by Al-Qaeda terrorists as the London Guardian reported last month.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012/jul/30/al-qaida-rebels-battle-syria

Earlier this month, President Barack Obama signed a secret order authorizing the CIA to aid Syrian rebels in attempting to overthrow Bashar Al-Assad. However, the order stopped short of allowing the CIA to provide lethal weapons.
http://www.aljazeera.com/news/middleeast/2012/08/20128264510724249.html


Despite public claims on behalf of the White House that no weapons are being sent to the rebels, reports that the CIA has been doing precisely that have been circulating for months, including a recent story about CIA spies smuggling 14 stinger missiles into Syria so rebels could defend themselves with ground to air technology.
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/cia-spies-smuggle-14-stinger-1266487 --
CIA spies 'smuggle 14 Stinger missiles into Syria so rebels can take out regime warplanes'

The New York Times admitted in a June 21 report that the CIA was “steering” arms to Syrian rebels from the Turkish border, but claimed the weapons were paid for by Turkey, Saudi Arabia and Qatar.

The New York Times’ decision to alter the wording of the article is another example of how NATO-aligned media outlets are concerned about overemphasizing western support for the rebels given their involvement in terrorist attacks and other acts of brutality.

Last week, the BBC removed a video clip which documented how FSA rebels were committing war crimes by using prisoners as unwitting suicide bombers.
http://www.prisonplanet.com/bbc-in-war-crime-cover-up-controversy.html

In a related development, hackers infiltrated Amnesty International’s website last night and used the NGO’s blog platform to post stories about the plight of protesters in Bahrain, Kurds in Turkey, as well as an article entitled Amnesty Calls on UN to stop the US, Qatar and Turkey funding and arming Syria Rebels.

The Associated Press dismissed the article as a “fake blog post” and refused to divulge its content. Yet the story, a cached copy of which can be read here, cited confirmed reports that Syrian rebels are engaging in war crimes, as well as FSA fighters being responsible for the Houla massacre, which was initially blamed on Assad’s forces.
http://webcache.googleusercontent.c...r-and-turkey-funding-and-arming-syria-rebels/
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http://www.infowars.com/france-ready-to-recognize-al-qaeda-as-syrias-legitimate-government/

France Ready to Recognize al-Qaeda as Syria’s Legitimate Government
Kurt Nimmo
Infowars.com
August 28, 2012

France’s recently elected socialist president and Bilderberg stooge François Hollande has told Syria’s CIA and MI6 run opposition to form a provisional government. Hollande said France would then officially recognize it as Syria’s legitimate government.
François Hollande.

In February, the Director of National Intelligence, James R. Clapper, told the Senate Armed Services committee that al-Qaeda has “infiltrated” the Syrian opposition groups France boasts it will recognize.

“Strangely, the fact that Washington, in cooperation with its allies, is now sending communication gear, military intelligence, and weapons to militias in Syria with considerable – and growing – ties to al-Qaeda has not made the Obama administration blink,” John Glaser wrote in July.

Glaser mentioned a supposed “vetting process” that avoid arms ending up in the hands of al-Qaeda and Islamic extremists, “but the process is made up of untrustworthy, third-party sources and intelligence officials have recently told the Washington Post and the Los Angeles Times that the truth is that the US doesn’t know who is getting the money and weapons.”

In fact, there is plenty of evidence that the CIA trained, armed, funded – to the tune of $3 billion – and supported Osama bin Laden and what would ultimately become al-Qaeda.

Secretary of State Hillary Clinton recently admitted that the United States created al-Qaeda, although her admission was at best lightly covered by the establishment media.

The U.S. also supported al-Qaeda in Libya prior to the murder of al-Gaddafi. Following the destruction of the north Africa country, Libya’s transitional ruling authority agreed to send weapons and fighters to Syria to assist the Free Syrian Army.

“Under Bush and Cheney, the alleged presence of al-Qaeda was used as a pretext for bombings and invasions,” historian Webster Tarpley wrote in 2011. “Under Obama, an overstretched and moribund US-UK imperialism is using al-Qaeda as its own irregular infantry in the effort to harass and cripple the nation-states of the world, causing them to disintegrate into a tribal, sectarian, criminal, and warlord chaos. In the current phase, al-Qaeda has resumed its original status as CIA guerrillas. As a result, civilization itself is threatened across vast areas of the globe.”

 

[Ranger]

This stance by Orthodox Russia transcends the U.N.!
Our secular West may very well now be extremely vulnerable
to subversive, inside and outside invasion forces.

Ranger

 

[energy_wave]

Imo, Russia only came in to remove chemical weapons. If this source is truthful, than it won't belong now.

 

[Ben Sunday]

We gotta wait for Christmas for WWIII now? Doom delay. It was supposed to kick off this fall already according to the prognosticators. I don't see Russia or China eager for such a development. We are becoming more and more communist every day here. Why take by force what you can mop up be default after we collapse under our own weight?

I can find considerable agreement with hfcomms. Spot on about the Soviets and PRC. They are watching the wounded eagle sway, stagger and slowly crumble towards the final crash landing. Syria is not the playing field they feel is worthy of their efforts or their future plans. The Soviets bailing out of Tartus would tend to support that view.

 

[OldArcher]

Kremlin ‘Suspends’ Use of Tartus Naval Base in Syria

The Moderate Voice 26-Aug-12

Could it be that the unending stream of reports of a Russian military buildup in Syria – specifically at Russia’s Tartus naval facility – are false? Quoting sources in Russia’s Defense Ministry and Russian officials – not all of who appear happy about the policy, Nezavisimaya Gazeta columnist Vladimir Mukhin writes that not only is use of the naval base being ‘suspended,’ but Russian naval ships in the area are leaving or gone, and there are no major arms shipments headed to Syria from Russia.

In an article at variance with just about every Western and Israeli news gathering organization, for the Nezavisimaya Gazeta, Vladimir Mukhin starts off this way:

Russia has suspended use of its naval base in Tartus, Syria. But it refuses to rule out using it in the future. In addition, the central principles of cooperation with Damascus in the military sphere have been set: Moscow will support the Assad regime primarily at the political level, intelligence and humanitarian spheres.

There are no large weapons shipments planned. Nezavisimaya Gazeta obtained these reports from military and diplomatic sources who participated in recent talks with Syria’s official delegation, which visited Moscow earlier in the week.

Thus it has now become clear why naval groups from the three fleets (Northern, Baltic and Black Sea) that had gathered in the Mediterranean unexpectedly broke up, and the General Staff has changed its plans to base the Northern Fleet in the Black Sea.

According to Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov, there is still a chance of achieving Syrian national reconciliation, and therefore given the circumstances, military support for the Assad regime is not the main objective. In contrast to the West, which has begun actively arming the opposition, Russia has deliberately withdrawn practically all of its military forces from the Mediterranean.

Interestingly and perhaps tellingly, later on in the report, Mukhin quotes an anonymous Defense Ministry source:

After the exercise and being resupplied, the ships could have continued to duty in the Mediterranean. Not anymore. Naval groups from the NATO countries are already concentrated off the Syrian coast. The concentration of Russian ships would have been dwarfed by NATO’s.

“Our naval base in Tartus will not support a military option. We cannot physically act militarily against countries supporting the Syrian opposition,” the Defense Ministry source said.

http://themoderatevoice.com/157365/...val-base-in-syria-nezavisimaya-gazeta-russia/

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My Comments

Three days ago I received from a friend, the report I posted above. I did not post the report here until I received confirmation. If Debka is cofirmation then Russia is making a major move.

Concur. This could be the time when Russia will exact payment from everyone, as regards the Middle East, Southwest Asia, and anywhere not in the sphere of China's influence... That could mean that after the dust settles, the New Russian Empire might just end at the coast of France...

OA, out...

 

[MC2006]

Here Comes The Bear Again

Here Comes The Bear Again
Prophecy - Signs
Tuesday, August 28, 2012
Jack Kinsella - Omega Letter Editor

Ever since the reign of Peter the Great, it has been an objective of Russian foreign policy to find a way to overcome that nation's most difficult geographic challenge. For all her size and power and influence, the Russians are hamstrung in the projection of that power and influence by virtue of their geography.

Consider the great powers of history and their relationship to the sea. Spain was perfectly positioned for the projection of sea-power. The British Empire had free access to all the oceans and seas of the world.

France faced the Atlantic and held fourteen hundred miles of the shores of the Mediterranean. Germany had the North Sea Canal.

Japan was almost as favorably situated as the United Kingdom. The United States has free access to two oceans and the Gulf of Mexico.

Russia is landlocked from the West and ice-locked everywhere else for most of the year. To the west is Europe. In the South, Iran, Afghanistan and Pakistan block Russia's access to the Arabian Sea. China and Korea stand between Russia and the South China Sea.

Vladivostock, which became a Russian port in 1860, is ice-locked for about four months. The rest of the time, its effectiveness as a warm water port is neutralized by South Korean and Japanese domination of the Strait of Tshushima.

Russia is not completely land-locked today -- it has warm water ports in Murmansk and Novorossiysk, but Russia's Black Sea Fleet is constrained by the Dardenelles and Russia's strained relations with the Ukraine.

I say all that because I want to convey just how important maintaining the security of its warm-water port is to Russian national security. The Ukraine, for example, would not dare to close off Russian access to the Black Sea.

Not even after an investigation into the poisoning of Ukrainian president Viktor Lukashenko led straight to the doors of the Kremlin.

The Ukrainians know that if they were to try to cut off Moscow's access to the Black Sea, the Russians would simply invade and take it, as they did when they invaded Afghanistan in 1980.

Russia has two other warm water ports that are of almost equal value to those on the Black Sea.

For the past four years, Russian engineers have been expanding the facilities there, which now include a ship repair basin, a trio of floating docks, supply dumps and barracks, all of which could replenish, re-arm and repair up to a dozen warships.

Dredging will provide a base for Russia’s Kirov-class guided missile cruisers designed to destroy US carrier battle groups. Since 2009 Russian workers have been constructing a dock capable of handling heavy surface units and could presumably service submarines.

Those Russian ports, with all their recent improvements, are located in Tartus and Latkia, on the coast of Syria.

The Russians recognize that their Syrian port facilities are in jeopardy, which is why a squadron of Russian navy ships, including several assault ships carrying marines, is heading to Tartus in a show of support for the Assad government.

It is also a principle reason why the Obama administration has turned a blind eye to the government massacres of whole civilian towns in an effort to restore order.

Should Assad's government fall, it is probable that the government that replaces it will take a dim view of Moscow's support for Assad and give Moscow the boot. Which explains why the Russians have continued to supply Assad with weapons and protection from the UN Security Council.

But it is looking increasingly as if Assad's government will collapse despite Russian efforts to maintain it, and while Moscow intends to hang on in Syria for as long as possible, it is looking at other options.

This week, Moscow announced it was in talks with three other countries about setting up naval supply and port facilities for the Russian Navy in the event that Assad's government falls. The Seychelles, Vietnam and Cuba.

"Chirkov's statement marked a sharp about-face for Russia, which closed a Soviet-era naval base at Vietnam's Cam Ranh Bay and a spy base in Lourdes in Cuba in the early 2000s during President Vladimir Putin's first term.

Along with financial reasons, that move was part of Putin's bid to improve ties with the US. But relations with Washington deteriorated and Putin, who was re-elected to a third term in March, has grown increasingly eager to challenge Washington. During his election campaign, he accused the US of encouraging protest against his 12-year rule in order to weaken Russia and pledged to strengthen the nation's military might."

Russia continues to be the patron saint of the Islamic republic of Iran. It is heavily involved with the Islamic government in Sudan. The entire Arab Middle East is armed with Russian weapons, populated by Russian support technicians, and advised by Russian advisors.

What I want to underscore in today's brief isn't so much about where we are now as it is where we are trending.

The idea of a 'new Russia' was popular in the 1990's. There were visions of a 'new, vibrant Russian partner' -- including President Bush's famously naive declaration after their first meeting that he could 'see into the soul' of ex KGB colonel Vladmir Putin.

That was then. And it demonstrates the danger in interpreting prophecy according to current events, rather than the other way around.

The Bible envisions no such peaceful East-West partnership. The Russian bear hasn't changed, it was only hibernating.

Russia's role in the last days is that of a hostile invader who ultimately marches at the head of a Persian-Islamist alliance against Israel, then a 'land of unwalled villages' living under the protection of a covenant guaranteed by the leader of a revived Roman Empire.

That's what the Bible predicts. That's the direction events are trending.

Just think of it! All these prophecies, by all these different prophets, across all these centuries, coming together and coalescing into a single narrative describing the events of a single generation, somewhere in time. What's next?

"After this I looked, and, behold, a door was opened in heaven: and the first voice which I heard was as it were of a trumpet talking with me; which said, Come up hither. . . ." (Revelation 4:1)