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Netanyahu mulls a Six-Day War surprise
By Victor Kotsev

http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Middle_East/NI06Ak04.html

The fog of war has fallen so densely over Iran and the Middle East that it is hard to say for certain whether the latest developments are a sign that one is imminent (in the form of an Israeli strike in the next two months) or that the timetable for a confrontation has been pushed back until the spring and summer of 2013. In the latter case, it is still possible that negotiations would eventually prevail, but this is far from guaranteed or even likely.

All of a sudden, the government of Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu is dropping hints left and right that it is willing to postpone action against the Iranian nuclear program. On Tuesday, it announced a number of new high-level military appointments which had previously been delayed amid the war preparations. As a prominent Israeli analyst put it, "You don't appoint a brand new operations chief when you're about to go to war." [1]

On Monday, moreover, Netanyahu said that "the clearer the red line drawn before Iran by the international community, the smaller the chance of a conflict". He made this statement in the context of a New York Times report that United States President Barack Obama was considering making public his proverbial red line on Iran and authorizing a whole new range of secret operations in an effort to assuage the Israelis, [2] and his words were widely interpreted as willingness to back down.

Under massive pressure both at home and abroad - the daily Ha'aretz reported last week that even German Chancellor Angela Merkel phoned Netanyahu recently to discuss this - it is conceivable that the Israeli prime minister and his influential defense minister, Ehud Barak, have changed their minds about the urgency of a military operation. In another highly symbolic move, the man who headed the Israeli inquiry into the disastrous 2006 war in Lebanon - former Supreme Court Justice Eliyahu Winograd whose report cost the careers of several top politicians and army men - joined the chorus of critics of Netanyahu and Barak days ago.

The Israeli military analyst Ron Ben-Yishai offers a number of reasons why "now is not the time to strike Iran":

The fighting in Syria is weakening the army and the regime in Damascus, thus reducing the likelihood that Syria would want or be able to take part in any Iranian response to an Israeli strike....
Moreover, the IDF has also been improving its long range capabilities. Therefore, it is safe to assume that if we wait, Iran's "immunity zone" will shrink as a result of Israel's enhanced military capabilities. Only economic sanctions can achieve these objectives. This is why we mustn't give the international community an excuse to soften the sanctions.
The best way to stop Iran's nuclear program is to overthrow the regime in Tehran or force it to change its policy due to pressure from the masses. …
Finally, and perhaps most importantly, there is no consensus within the Israeli public in support of a military strike. [3]


Some sort of a deal on the issue may be about to emerge from the "poker game" (to borrow a metaphor from another Ha'aretz article) between the US and Israel. Netanyahu is rumored to be preparing a major speech at the United Nations General Assembly in New York later this month, and perhaps also a meeting with Obama which many analysts speculate may provide him with an opportunity to start de-escalating his rhetoric. Whether and what kind of a guarantee the US president might offer the Israelis that he will stop the Iranian nuclear program by force if necessary, as they have requested, remains uncertain.

The tough talk this week, with the chairman of the US Joint Chiefs of Staff, General Martin Dempsey, saying that he did not want to be "complicit" in an Israeli strike on Iran and Time Magazine publishing a report that the US was scaling down a military exercise with Israel next month in an apparent effort to undermine the Israeli war preparations [4] - can be interpreted in the same vein. In the run-up to a deal, both Obama and Netanyahu could be expected to bluff very hard in order to pressure the other into concessions.

However, it is hard to trust either man's intentions. According to a report in the Israeli daily Yediot Ahronot, which the Americans subsequently denied, Obama recently passed a message to Tehran through European mediators renouncing any Israeli attack and requesting that Iran not retaliate against American military bases in the Middle East. (The Iranian response came from their close Lebanese ally Hezbollah, whose leader said on Monday that "If Israel targets Iran, America bears responsibility.")

Despite all the signs to the contrary, an Israeli operation is hardly off the table - and as Ben-Yishai hinted, it may not be off the table next year, either. The Israeli military doctrine emphasizes the element of surprise, and in the past the Jewish State has been able to achieve it even in situations where war has been long in the making. In this way, at least, the situation prior to the Six-Day War in 1967 paralleled the one today, while the Israelis could perhaps afford to make a new appointment or two if this would soften the watchfulness of their enemies.

It seems unlikely, moreover, that Tehran will give its nuclear program up at this stage, despite the fact that the sanctions have taken a heavy toll on the Iranian economy. The Iranian regime is reportedly very suspicious of the West - with good reason given that Western proponents of regime change there have become increasingly vocal in the last years - and a nuclear weapon or capability is among the few things that could give it a measure of reassurance. Also, the militant rhetoric of the ayatollahs has backed them into a corner of their own; amid much social discontent at home it would not be easy for them to save face and de-escalate.

Not to mention that the Iranian nuclear program is quite advanced and advancing rapidly, as documented by the latest report by the International Atomic Energy Agency which came out last week. "Despite the intensified dialogue between the Agency and Iran since January 2012," the report states, "efforts to resolve all outstanding substantive issues have achieved no concrete results…. [5]"

Among other things, Iran stands accused of installing 1,000 new uranium enrichment centrifuges at the underground facility at Fordo, continuing to enrich uranium elsewhere, failure to cooperate with weapons inspections, and a cover-up at the military site at Parchin where alleged experiments related to the development of a nuclear warhead took place in the past. It also continued to build a heavy-water reactor at Arak, which could be used for the production of the most commonly used alternative to enriched uranium for nuclear weapons, plutonium-239.

According to a separate report published by the Wall Street Journal, a top Iranian scientist and Islamic Revolutionary Guard officer, Mohsen Fakhrizadeh (dubbed the father of the Iranian nuclear weapons program), resumed work recently [6]. Fakhrizadeh had been sidelined several years ago, when the Iranian nuclear weapons program was reportedly halted, and his reappearance would suggest that the Iran is again steaming ahead towards a bomb.

In the absence of a breakthrough in the negotiations - which some analysts speculate could come after the US presidential elections - a military conflict over the Iranian nuclear program seems all but inevitable. War could start even without either side truly wanting it, given the military buildup in the Persian Gulf and the possibility of an accidental provocation.

At the same time, it seems that Israel is on the verge of agreeing not to attack Iran this fall. Still, even this is far from certain - and even less so is the price it would extract from the US in return. There are roughly two months to go before the US elections and unfavorable weather conditions more or less rule out a war this year, and two months can be a very long time in Middle Eastern politics
 

dstraito

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So if you were Israel how comfortable would you be with Iran who has threatened your very existence?

I think the timing may be affected by the 2012 election. They pretty much KNOW right now they would be on their own. Do they wait for November and see if there is a change of POTUS that might be more favorable or do they initiate a strike on their own.

I think the Middle East would go hard against them probably getting the US involved whether we stated we would or not. It would probably drag in Russia and China and voila, you have WWIII.
 

China Connection

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Well it seems that it will start before Christmas regardless of elections. In other words before or after the elections. Obama dos not control things his handlers are the same as every president gets. The shadow government does the planing. Presidents are only mouth pieces.
 

LA Woman

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Well it seems that it will start before Christmas regardless of elections. In other words before or after the elections. Obama dos not control things his handlers are the same as every president gets. The shadow government does the planing. Presidents are only mouth pieces.

Dont' think so. If there is going to be any action, it will be in Sept.

Petraeus paid a visit to Bibi on Monday. 3 CVN's in Hormuz for drills though end of Sept. Enterprise has some comm capabilities that others do not share.

It's now or never.
 

Housecarl

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A point made in the National Interest Article I posted on this week's WoW thread regarding the odds on Iran already having nuclear weapons is pertinent here I think. With the open source past histories of other nuclear weapons programs that are available, I just can't see Iran not already having deliverable weapons already in stock. Maybe not many or very efficient ones or not missile deliverable to Israel from Iran but perhaps a few.

ETA: What wouldn't surprise me at all would be such weapons both in Iran pointed at the main petroleum facilities in the Gulf and a couple in Syria under the control of the IRGC aimed at Israel.
 
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TerryK

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Well it seems that it will start before Christmas regardless of elections. In other words before or after the elections. Obama dos not control things his handlers are the same as every president gets. The shadow government does the planing. Presidents are only mouth pieces.

CC do you think China works the same way?

If Israel attacked before the election. The may or may not get US support. If after the election and Obama wins, they definitely won't get support. With Romney their chances are much better but it all depends on whether he wins the election or not.
Talk about an odds maker's nightmare.
 

China Connection

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Well Terryk here you don't get to vote but the central bank is still the same as the Fed as far as I know. Money controls all and it has the same power behind it world wide. Hard meaning impossible to do international trade if you (A president / leader) and your country don't do as told. Countries are just Chess pieces for those in power. You play one against the other and fiance both sides. The combatants get more into debt while those in power get their sick laughs.
 

TerryK

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Well Terryk here you don't get to vote but the central bank is still the same as the Fed as far as I know. Money controls all and it has the same power behind it world wide. Hard meaning impossible to do international trade if you (A president / leader) and your country don't do as told. Countries are just Chess pieces for those in power. You play one against the other and fiance both sides. The combatants get more into debt while those in power get their sick laughs.

Same here CC.
Well,.... almost.
 

Flippper

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Their backs are against the wall, they know if Iran gets the nukes produced, they absolutely must act pr-emptively for their very survival, which creates a fairly specific timeline. They do not have all the time in the world.

I'm wondering if they are covering up for someone's slip that they planned to hit earlier than expected? Or are they tossing out so many options and what-ifs to muddy the waters so they can hit at any time and maintain the element of surprise? They seem unusually loose lipped of late.
 

LA Woman

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Their backs are against the wall, they know if Iran gets the nukes produced, they absolutely must act pr-emptively for their very survival, which creates a fairly specific timeline. They do not have all the time in the world.

I'm wondering if they are covering up for someone's slip that they planned to hit earlier than expected? Or are they tossing out so many options and what-ifs to muddy the waters so they can hit at any time and maintain the element of surprise? They seem unusually loose lipped of late.

We are about to conduct a general house cleaning and all the involved parties are in agreement.
 

Housecarl

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Well Terryk here you don't get to vote but the central bank is still the same as the Fed as far as I know. Money controls all and it has the same power behind it world wide. Hard meaning impossible to do international trade if you (A president / leader) and your country don't do as told. Countries are just Chess pieces for those in power. You play one against the other and fiance both sides. The combatants get more into debt while those in power get their sick laughs.

That assumes all parties are content to play within those rules...if not and you have the addresses of those people behind the curtain....:whistle:
 

LA Woman

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I'm thinking in terms of what happened to Gerald Bull....perhaps less messy like an auto accident but the same outcome...

Petraeus made a decision to make a decision, but I'm pretty sure it wasn't about that.

No worries, though, there's always folks to take care of wetwork.
 

Shacknasty Shagrat

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' That assumes all parties are content to play within those rules.'
Israel has a record on coloring outside the lines, an example being the sinking of the USS Liberty by the IAF. The Izzies thought we were going to stab them in the back(give intelligence to their enemies) which would have led to the end of Israel way back them. Is there any way that Mr. Natanyahu could now give credence to the pipe dreams of the unprepared President, Mr. Obama , in life and death, existential military matters? I do not think so.
Is there any way that putting our blue water carriers in the Arab Bathtub in a line, sort of like the ducks in a Fair midway shooting gallery, will convince Iran to abandon its wicked ways and return to the fold of Western Civilization? I do not think so.

' Everyone is watching them now.'
And they have been for quite a while.
The theory for the superpower slugfest in the late twentieth century relied on a two week period of mobilization. There simply is not enough time to get the troops and equipment on station or dispersed, civilian population protected and an acceptable post war food and energy program going, all on line without a major footprint visible by satellite and other national means. Now, if a mobilization is observed, the US may well rat Israel out.
Israel may do a sort of 'cooking the frog in boiling water by increasing the temperature slowly' operation, getting people and stuff set up and in place before a cold start salvo. I totally discount the prospect for a conventional attack on Iran. That time has passed, the crucial targets are dug in beyond the reach of any chemical or kinetic explosive. The cold start salvo would require intensive training and communication, among other things, one of which is disinformation.
Mr. Natanyahu confronts the resurgent specter of the 'peace at any price' philosophy, held by sincere people who would again accept the slavery and death of the Jewish nation in order for a few to survive. The ongoing Syrian Example illustrates the tender mercies in store for those who lose battles in the Middle East. Of course, the Muslims have long and successful record of suborning and intimidating both Christians and Jews. The internal tensions of Islam, however, make successful long term military actions nearly impossible.
My advice to Mr. Natanyahu is to make it quick and decisive.
SS
 

LA Woman

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' That assumes all parties are content to play within those rules.'
Israel has a record on coloring outside the lines, an example being the sinking of the USS Liberty by the IAF. The Izzies thought we were going to stab them in the back(give intelligence to their enemies) which would have led to the end of Israel way back them. Is there any way that Mr. Natanyahu could now give credence to the pipe dreams of the unprepared President, Mr. Obama , in life and death, existential military matters? I do not think so.
Is there any way that putting our blue water carriers in the Arab Bathtub in a line, sort of like the ducks in a Fair midway shooting gallery, will convince Iran to abandon its wicked ways and return to the fold of Western Civilization? I do not think so.

' Everyone is watching them now.'
And they have been for quite a while.
The theory for the superpower slugfest in the late twentieth century relied on a two week period of mobilization. There simply is not enough time to get the troops and equipment on station or dispersed, civilian population protected and an acceptable post war food and energy program going, all on line without a major footprint visible by satellite and other national means. Now, if a mobilization is observed, the US may well rat Israel out.
Israel may do a sort of 'cooking the frog in boiling water by increasing the temperature slowly' operation, getting people and stuff set up and in place before a cold start salvo. I totally discount the prospect for a conventional attack on Iran. That time has passed, the crucial targets are dug in beyond the reach of any chemical or kinetic explosive. The cold start salvo would require intensive training and communication, among other things, one of which is disinformation.
Mr. Natanyahu confronts the resurgent specter of the 'peace at any price' philosophy, held by sincere people who would again accept the slavery and death of the Jewish nation in order for a few to survive. The ongoing Syrian Example illustrates the tender mercies in store for those who lose battles in the Middle East. Of course, the Muslims have long and successful record of suborning and intimidating both Christians and Jews. The internal tensions of Islam, however, make successful long term military actions nearly impossible.
My advice to Mr. Natanyahu is to make it quick and decisive.
SS

If you haven't noticed, there has been multinational communications infrastructure being strategically placed for the last 2 months.
NATO is going to run the show, which means Obama is out of the loop.
 
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