GOV/MIL my area just got chem-trailed

[okie-carbine]

southern oklahoma. and down into texas. as far as the eye could see, line after line of chemtrails. i have seen them on youtube and stuff but have never witnessed them in person. it was freakin unreal. started about 2:30 and are fading out now about 4:30. in the morning. august 14. now i have to go do some research to see what this crap is all about.

i was wondering if they could put the swine flu in this stuff?

 

[atvJim]

respectfully, WHO IS THEY?

Super-secret private Dr. Evil group?

Super-secret government group?

Military black ops?

Sinister commercial airline?

Who do the planes belong to?

Galactic Alien plot?

WHY?______ (add something)

SERIOUSLY, why is it if the evidence is literally above and falling on your head no person can give any evidence?

Is it because you don't know what your trying to prove?

What is really in these "chemtrails"?

Have you ever started your car on a cold day? Do you see the cloud exiting the tailpipe? NOTE: Jet turbines produce heat and that heat leaves the engine in a very cold atmosphere.

 

[pugdog]

respectfully, WHO IS THEY?

Super-secret private Dr. Evil group?

Super-secret government group?

Military black ops?

Sinister commercial airline?

Who do the planes belong to?

Galactic Alien plot?

WHY?______ (add something)

SERIOUSLY, why is it if the evidence is literally above and falling on your head no person can give any evidence?

Is it because you don't know what your trying to prove?

What is really in these "chemtrails"?

Have you ever started your car on a cold day? Do you see the cloud exiting the tailpipe? NOTE: Jet turbines produce heat and that heat leaves the engine in a very cold atmosphere.

ALL OF THE ABOVE.

HEAD FOR THE HILLS!!!

ALien invasion is only hours away!

 

[okie-carbine]

hmm. not quite the response i was expecting on here. seriously. look up chemtrails. there is a difference in contrails and chemtrails. when you look up and see line after line after line, perfectly spaced, you know that it aint contrails. contrails disappear after a few minutes. i watched these for over 30 minutes each drift in front of the moon.

i have known about them, but never actually witnessed it. now i am a believer. i dont know who does it or why or what is in it. but it happened. i wish it woulda happened during the day so i could have video or photo captured it.

 

[Hansa44]

hmm. not quite the response i was expecting on here. seriously. look up chemtrails. there is a difference in contrails and chemtrails. when you look up and see line after line after line, perfectly spaced, you know that it aint contrails. contrails disappear after a few minutes. i watched these for over 30 minutes each drift in front of the moon.

i have known about them, but never actually witnessed it. now i am a believer. i dont know who does it or why or what is in it. but it happened. i wish it woulda happened during the day so i could have video or photo captured it.

There are many here that are in total agreement with you. There are also many here that will try to degrade you and make you look like a fool. Ignore them. Someone that has really studied this is "Cascadians". She has plenty to say about what she's learned.

 

[gelatinous]

I'm more concerned with the absence of chem-trails this year. We are under the major north-south flight path of the west coast. Typically we have the trails several times throughout the year. None this year. Only the normal contrails that dissipate quickly.

Something has changed. My tin-foil hat is on and I'm waiting for the aliens to reveal the reason to me.

 

[Rex Jackson]

THERE WILL NEVER BE A SWINE FLU

Why would Obama want swine flu?
Why would Emanuel want swine flu?
Why would Pelosi want swine flu?

answer? they wouldn't. Swine flu is contagious. They would kill their armies and everything. Wont happen.

Now toxic metals, and other things, sure. Kill honey bees? sure. Poison water? maybe.

 

[Double_A]

Could you see what kind of planes were laying these down? Commercial, military, Cargo etc

 

[Hansa44]

THERE WILL NEVER BE A SWINE FLU

Why would Obama want swine flu?
Why would Emanuel want swine flu?
Why would Pelosi want swine flu?

answer? they wouldn't. Swine flu is contagious. They would kill their armies and everything. Wont happen.

Now toxic metals, and other things, sure. Kill honey bees? sure. Poison water? maybe.

Unless Obama, Emanuel, Pelosi, armies,etc. all have a special vaccine to keep them healthy. The "chosen" ones, so to speak.

 

[Amaryllis]

With all due respect ATV and Pugdog, when you start your car and the cloud comes out of the tailpipe, does the cloud follow you around all day long everywhere you go?

I don't think that there's any deep dark conspiracy to kill us all with chemtrails, but it amazes me that people don't look up and see that for the past 10 years, contrails do not disappear. They stay up there for hours until they eventually morph into thin cloud like lines.

You just have to have the patience to look at what everyone else is seeing. Conspiracy to kill or not, they are there, and they used to not be there. Like your tailpipe cloud, they would disappear before the jet was even out of your sight. They linger for hours now. Just look up and see for yourself. Why is it that they used to disappear and now they don't disappear?

There may be a logical explanation without going into the two extremes of either we are all going to die OR they don't exist. The latter explanation really blows my mind because all you have to do is look up.

 

[jehu]

Yes, look up and watch over the course of hours.

I had seen them disappear in my area.

Thought that they were done.

I saw the weather conditions that they forment re-appear.

I couldnt figues out how that was happening

Went out at night and listened and watched on clear starry nights.

Planes were flying in formations that did not appear in the daytime.

Mornings are foggy and days are hazy when formations fly.

(A poet I am not)
(Slightly I am crazy)

 

[jehu]

i also find it ineresting that there is a book that say's "look up for thy redemption draweth nigh"

Not sure what it means, but things may not be all they seem.

 

[Hansa44]

Somewhere I was just reading that these chemtrails are a part of HAARP. It's some kind of particles being put in the atmosphere and they are slightly heavier than our air, which is what HAARP needs in order to experiment with weather control. That's why they spread to cover the whole sky.
Contrails don't do that. They dissipate.


But...wherever I heard it, it makes sense. And there's no doubt there has been some weird weather happening everywhere.

 

[jehu]

If you really want to blow your mind, look-up operation"blue" as in color and "beam" as in a slice of light

 

[Flippper]

They are different, not like the old jet trails we used to see as kids. I've seen them fly paths back and forth over highways turning the nozzles off as they did their banking, then back on to cover the north south international highway with lines and lines of these things.

My dad is up when it's in the wee hours and has seen rows of these planes laying trails.

Every single plane I've seen laying these things is all white. They fly low enough you can see them fairly well, with binoculars, you can get a very clear look at them. White. No markings.

 

[Double_A]

"Every single plane I've seen laying these things is all white. They fly low enough you can see them fairly well, with binoculars, you can get a very clear look at them. White. No markings."

Flipper do they look distinctive shaped like cargo planes? or would they just be like any other plane.

 

[pugdog]

With all due respect ATV and Pugdog, when you start your car and the cloud comes out of the tailpipe, does the cloud follow you around all day long everywhere you go?

I don't think that there's any deep dark conspiracy to kill us all with chemtrails, but it amazes me that people don't look up and see that for the past 10 years, contrails do not disappear. They stay up there for hours until they eventually morph into thin cloud like lines.

You just have to have the patience to look at what everyone else is seeing. Conspiracy to kill or not, they are there, and they used to not be there. Like your tailpipe cloud, they would disappear before the jet was even out of your sight. They linger for hours now. Just look up and see for yourself. Why is it that they used to disappear and now they don't disappear?

There may be a logical explanation without going into the two extremes of either we are all going to die OR they don't exist. The latter explanation really blows my mind because all you have to do is look up.

With all due respect......I have been flying for decades. The aircraft I fly now leaves "chemtrails" under the right conditions. On crowded airways I have been directly in chemtrails for hours (yes the cloud looking ones). Besides a "chemtrail" sprayed over your head would land hundreds of miles away.

Oh well, gotta go. I have a flight tonight, gotta get busy spraying

 

[cjoi]

Making dismissive comments probably feels good and doesn't require nearly the effort of doing some honest research to investigate for yourself...There is abundant information on the net or take a look at some of the books that explain this.



Just as Hansa44 says, HAARP and Chemtrails work together. Somewhere there is a good video (still looking for the link..) which demonstrates how the HAARP is used like a bank shot off of the chemtrail blanket to direct the effects of HAARP to the intended effect. Of course there are direct effects of both Chemtrails and HAARP independent of the other to consider, as well.



http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_ss_0...ds=chemtrails+confirmed&sprefix=chemtrails+co


http://www.amazon.com/Chemtrails-Co...=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1250279088&sr=8-1 Chemtrails Confirmed (Paperback)
Editorial Reviews
Product Description
Chemtrails are reported all around the planet and this is the first research record to verify what Airline Pilots, Police Officers, U.S. Marines, Air Traffic Controllers and Tanker Crews are reporting. This book will reveal the scientists who are working on the project, Congressman who oversaw "America's exotic weapons" project and the details so you can understand the Chemtrail project


http://www.amazon.com/Weather-Warfare-Jerry-E-Smith/dp/1931882606/ref=pd_bxgy_b_img_c Weather Warfare (Paperback
Editorial Reviews
Product Description
Mother Nature Has Been Drafted! Floods, Droughts, Tsunamis, Hurricanes & Volcanic Eruptions -- Weapons of the Future "Or Today? Weather modification in the form of cloud seeding to increase snow packs in the Sierras or hail suppression over Kansas is now an everyday affair. Underground nuclear tests in Nevada have set off earthquakes. A Russian company has been offering to sell typhoons (hurricanes) on demand since the 1990s, and scientists have been searching for ways to move hurricanes for over fifty years. In the same amount of time we went from the Wright Brothers to Neil Armstrong, hundreds of environmental and weather modifying technologies have been patented in the US alone and hundreds more are being developed in civilian, academic, military and quasi-military laboratories around the world at this moment! This book lays bare the grim facts of who is doing it and why. * up-dates recent developments at HAARP, including its possible connection to the crash of the Space Shuttle Columbia * did HAARP play a role in Hurricane Katrina? Smith puts these technologies into context by examining the geopolitical conflicts that are driving their development from Globalization and the rise of Neo-Con Neo-Fascism to terrorism and "Peak Oil."
... [terrorists]... are engaging even in an eco-type of terrorism whereby they can alter the climate, set off earthquakes, volcanoes remotely through the use of electromagnetic waves? -- US Secretary of Defense William Cohen, April, 1997





http://www.amazon.com/Haarp-Ultimat...ind-Control/dp/0932813534/ref=pd_bxgy_b_img_b Haarp: The Ultimate Weapon of the Conspiracy (The Mind-Control Conspiracy Series) (Paperback)
Editorial Reviews
Product Description
This book is a serious attempt to discover who is really behind the HAARP project and how they plan to rule the world. The HAARP project in Alaska is one of the most controversial projects ever undertaken by the US government. This futuristic technology is everything from super-beam weapon to worldwide mind-control device. Jerry Smith gives us the history of this project and explains how it can be used as an awesome weapon of destruction. Smith exposes HAARP as a covert military project and interconnects the web of conspiracies behind it. HAARP has many possible scientific and military applications, from planetary defence shield to a tool for pioneering deep into the earth. Smith leads the reader down a trail of solid evidence into ever deeper and scarier conspiracy theories. By the end of the book, Smith convinces the reader that HAARP represents the ultimate in science out of control. It could be the most dangerous device ever created. Packed with information and the latest news on the massive HAARP project, this is a timely and significant look at a Star Wars-type future that may already be here.


http://www.amazon.com/Angels-Dont-Play-This-Haarp/dp/0964881209/ref=pd_cp_b_2 Angels Don't Play This Haarp: Advances in Tesla Technology (Paperback)
Reader Review:
From a rural location in Alaska, controlled by "Big Oil", the US government is blasting billions of watts of high frequency microwave energy at our protective ionospheric shell which surrounds the earth. Their offical reason is "to see what it does". Several acres of Alaskan land have been dedicated to the construction of the HAARP array (you can actually find a picture of it online...)but it's real purpose runs from the practical (earth tomography (X-ray the earth to look for enemy submarines and secret underground bases)) through the hard to believe (transmission of electrical power without wires (Tesla's idea) through the insane (the complete disruption of global communications and mucking with weather patterns by shifting the jet stream).
This book is so well documented, often citing documents published by the US government itself, that it is absolutely convincing and frightening.

I have read and researched a lot of the contents and yes, it is true. That which you cannot validate is secured by the Federal Gov. The patents are real and the people and companies involved are real. There is more info out there if you care to look.

 

[Amaryllis]

With all due respect......I have been flying for decades. The aircraft I fly now leaves "chemtrails" under the right conditions. On crowded airways I have been directly in chemtrails for hours (yes the cloud looking ones). Besides a "chemtrail" sprayed over your head would land hundreds of miles away.

Oh well, gotta go. I have a flight tonight, gotta get busy spraying

I know that you fly. That is why I'm sure you can give us a logical explanation as to why conditions cause "chemtrails" to linger now when they used to not cause "chemtrails" to linger. With all due respect,

I was actually trying to me nice, not a smarta$$ in my first post. Apparently I came off that way. Sorry. I can't believe this is such a touchy subject.

 

[Flippper]

Dub, they look like "Airforce One" but all white, no letters that I can see.

Pug, I've taken time elapse photos of these things, but they are all when I'm driving somewhere where the terrain is very flat and visibility is excellent, usually near Coeur d' Alene or the Palouse. The differing locations, while in the same direction and of the same trails makes the images confusing to the casual observer which is why I haven't posted them.

You can tell which are which because normal jet vapor dissipates fairly quickly after it's exhausted, the 'other' trails will hang and spread out until only a few will connect and totally cover the sky with what looks like overcast clouds (if you don't watch them you'd think that is what they are). I'll see if I can't get a good 15 minute per photo time elapse on some of these things so you can see for yourself.

I don't know what they are doing, but someone is going to a vast amount of expense and trouble to do this. I mentioned about a month ago about one such white plane from obvious takeoff and climbing from the west heading east, it looked like it was going straight up in the air because of the altitude climb. There are no public airports to the west that would be close enough for it to appear as it did, other than one in Moses Lake which is not public. I've lived here most of my life and never have I seen a plane of that size in that area on takeoff. I love planes and airports and use to go sit at the end of the runway and spend hours watching them take off, and I've been in many a commercial flight, so I know a little bit about how quickly they climb to gain altitude.

Something is fishy. I'm not saying they are laying poison because I really don't know, but they are doing 'something' and it's exceedingly expensive.

 

[atvJim]

Bueller?.......Bueller?.......anyone?.......anyone?........can ANYBODY PLEASE give a WHO or WHY or WHAT regarding "chemtrails"?

 

[Mr. Rasmussen]

I'm a "MSFS flightsimmer" and in the sim contrails only form above 30.000ft.
In real life this will off course vary, but how much ?
In the sim I can also see the airways and intersections above my town.

In the sky out side my window, normal commercial jets leave all types of contrail
depending on the weather.

I think "Dew_point" plays a part in the contrail some time dissipate
quickly and some times very slowly.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dew_point
"The dew point is the temperature to which a given parcel of air must be
cooled, at constant barometric pressure, for water vapor to condense
into water. The condensed water is called dew. The dew point is a
saturation point.

When the dew point temperature falls below freezing it is often called
the frost point, as the water vapor no longer creates dew but instead
creates frost or hoarfrost by deposition.

The dew point is associated with relative humidity. A high relative
humidity indicates that the dew point is closer to the current air
temperature. Relative humidity of 100% indicates that the dew point is
equal to the current temperature (and the air is maximally saturated
with water). When the dew point stays constant and temperature
increases, relative humidity will decrease.

At a given barometric pressure, independent of temperature, the dew
point indicates the mole fraction of water vapor in the air, and
therefore determines the specific humidity of the air.

The dew point is an important statistic for general aviation pilots, as
it is used to calculate the likelihood of carburetor icing and fog, and
estimate the height of the cloud base."

Now back to chem trail,,,

 

[Firebird]

This is from our area:

 

[Mr. Rasmussen]

hmm. not quite the response i was expecting on here. seriously. look up chemtrails. there is a difference in contrails and chemtrails. when you look up and see line after line after line, perfectly spaced, you know that it aint contrails. contrails disappear after a few minutes. i watched these for over 30 minutes each drift in front of the moon.

i have known about them, but never actually witnessed it. now i am a believer. i dont know who does it or why or what is in it. but it happened. i wish it woulda happened during the day so i could have video or photo captured it.

The line after line perfectly spaced is properly be course they fly on the same airways
and there is a wind blowing from the side.

Check the direction and speed of the wind at 30.000ft when thats happening next time.
Get a METAR from your nearest airport either on-line or a scanner, or MSFS Jeppesen data.

Just found this: US wind at 30.000
http://www.jetplan.com/jeppesen/weatherServlet?&action=show&graphicType=wxMapWT&img=uswt300

from:
http://www.jeppesen.com/aviation/personal/aviation-weather.jsp#

 

[SIRR1]

I was thinking ?

Ya know, possibly the lack of chemtrail spraying this year could be due to the current administration in office.

SIRR1

 

[dissimulo]

Ya know, possibly the lack of chemtrail spraying this year could be due to the current administration in office.

More likely due to the fact that it has been unusually cool in the east half of the country.

(If in fact, there are less of this sort of trail in the sky this year - this is one of those things that is notoriously difficult for an individual to track objectively.)

Any conditions out of the ordinary will change the behavior of vapors in the air - sometimes making it thinner while persisting longer, sometimes denser and dispersing quickly.

 

[NC Susan]

Look at the disaster on the east coast. They still havent started summer in New England......crops are flooded all the way down to Virginia.....


SCALAR weather wars?


http://www.rumormillnews.com/cgi-bin/archive.cgi?read=78103

 

[NC Susan]

http://www.weatherwars.info/





Iowa woman’s photo sparks push for new cloud type

This June 20, 2006 photo provided on Monday, June 8, 2009 and taken by Jane Wiggins from a downtown Cedar Rapids, Iowa office building shows what may become the first new cloud type to be recognized by scientists since 1951. (AP Photo/Jane Wiggins)DES MOINES, Iowa – Looking out the 11th floor window of her law office, Jane Wiggins did a double take and grabbed her camera. The dark, undulating clouds hovering outside were unlike anything she’d seen before. “It looked like Armageddon,” said Wiggins, a paralegal and amateur photographer in Cedar Rapids, Iowa. “The shadows of the clouds, the lights and the darks, and the greenish-yellow backdrop. They seemed to change.”
They dissipated within 15 minutes, but the photo Wiggins captured in June 2006 intrigued — and stumped — a group of dedicated weather watchers who now are pushing weather authorities to create a new cloud category, something that hasn’t been done since 1951.
Breaking into the cloud family would require surviving l.................


MUCH MORE AVAILABLE AT LINK..............!!!

 

[zoose]

Just so you know, I don't believe these Chem Trails are real.

They are just vapor left from passenger jets.

Some days when the conditions are right the contrails from the jets are visible and other days they hang there up in the sky.

That's my nickle tonight.

 

[Topusaret]

The line after line perfectly spaced is properly be course they fly on the same airways
and there is a wind blowing from the side.

Check the direction and speed of the wind at 30.000ft when thats happening next time.
Get a METAR from your nearest airport either on-line or a scanner, or MSFS Jeppesen data.

Just found this: US wind at 30.000
http://www.jetplan.com/jeppesen/weatherServlet?&action=show&graphicType=wxMapWT&img=uswt300

from:
http://www.jeppesen.com/aviation/personal/aviation-weather.jsp#

Good answer. I was trying to figure out how to explain exactly that, when I came to your post. The jetways (think jet highways) vary in altitude and direction and cross each other all over the place, usually separated by, I believe, 1000 ft in altitude to avoid collisions. Complicating this is the military, which does not usually have to follow (just avoid) the commercial jetways.

For example, here is the usual route between Los Angeles and San Antonio. Each of these letternumber groups is a separate section of jet airliner "highway".

KLAX TRM J169 BLH KOFFA J50 GBN SSO J50 ELP J2 FST CSI1 KSAT.

KLAX = Los Angeles Lat/Long 33-56-33.1301N / 118-24-29.0680W
Decimal: 33.9425361, -118.4080744

TRM = Palm Springs, CA Lat/Long: 33-37-36.0010N / 116-09-34.7500W
Decimal: 33.6266669, -116.1596528

J169 = Jet route 169

BLH = Blythe, CA Lat/Long: 33-37-08.9860N / 114-43-00.7550W
Decimal: 33.6191628, -114.7168764

KOFFA = intersection in AZ 71 mi. East of Blythe, CA 33-27-48.930N /
113-20-56.100W
Decimal: 33.463333, -113.348889

J50 = Jet route 50

GBN = Gila Bend, AZ Lat/Long: 32-53-15.1680N / 112-43-11.5860W
Decimal: 32.8875467, -112.7198850

SSO = San Simon, AZ Lat/Long 32-16-09.282N/109-15-47.115W
Decimal: 32.2692450, -109.2630875

J50 = Jet route 50

ELP = El Paso, TX Lat/Long 31-48-24.0000N / 106-22-40.1000W
Decimal: 31.8066667, -106.3778056

J2 = Jet route 2

FST = Ft. Stockton, TX Lat/Long 30-54-56.4000N / 102-54-58.1000W
Decimal: 30.9156667, -102.9161389

CSI1. = Center Point 1 Arrival Procedure: From Ft. Stockton, TX to
CSI (Center Point VORTAC ? radio transmitter) Kerrville, TX
Lat/Long 29-55-20.383N / 099-12-52.229W Decimal: 29.9223286 -99.2145081
BENEY (intersection) 29-50-19.760N / 098-59-26.020W Decimal:
29.838611, -98.990556
MEDIN (intersection) 29-48-25.390N / 098-54-00.810W Decimal:
29.806944, -98.900000
REUBE (intersection) 29-45-17.740N / 098-45-35.670W Decimal:
29.754722, -98.759722
AN 368 (Alamo NDB ? radio transmitter) NW of San Antonio 29-36-27.315N /
098-34-10.871W Decimal: 29.6075875 -98.5696864

KSAT = San Antonio, TX Lat/Long 29-32-01.3000N / 098-28-11.2000W
Decimal: 29.5336944, -98.4697778

The "J" prefixes are jet routes, or jet highways. Think of the others as waypoints along those routes. "J50" passes about 40 miles north of Tucson, and I watch the lights move along it at night.

Now, since this route is roughly west to east, if the wind at the assigned altitude is roughly due north or due south, the contrail from each successive airliner in the path will be 5-10 miles behind the one in front of it. If the crosswind is 120 MPH (north or south and perpendicular to the airliner's travel), then the contrail will appear in approximately the same place in the sky (or rather, along the same line in the sky because the jet "highway" doesn't move) but the contrail is now moving north or south at 120 MPH.

Now complicate that with north-south jetways 1-2000 feet higher or lower than the east-west jetways and you achieve a "crosshatch" pattern. Obviously, this would be achieved best if the wind was moving at a 45 degree angle to the crossing jetways.

There, see how I was able to take Mr. Rasmussen's relatively easy answer and give you a headache? There may be such a thing as chemtrails, but if they were truly nefarious and evil they they know they've been "busted", don't you think they would be clever enough to make them invisible? I know Dr. Evil would figure out a way.

 

[tothetune]

I don't remember seeing any of these "whatever" trails until 10 yrs ago, give or take. Possibly new types of jet engines/fuel or changes in the atmosphere?

 

[Mr. Rasmussen]

I don't remember seeing any of these "whatever" trails until 10 yrs ago, give or take. Possibly new types of jet engines/fuel or changes in the atmosphere?

What about B-17 making contrails in 1944 :-)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/B-17_Flying_Fortress



Click on the picture to get a BIG version.

This is a chemtrail - those exhaust fumes can't be healthy.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dao0zntkOg4&feature=related
B-52 flyby

I've seen most of the ChemTrail's doc's like this one:
Aerosol Crimes 1st Edition
"provided ample evidence in this 90min DVD that covers many topics.
Over the years aerosol/chemtrail research has provided some leads but
even more questions as to who and why"
http://video.google.com/videosearch?q=Aerosol+Crimes&emb=0&aq=f#

 

[Mr. Rasmussen]

This picture is actually quite reviling, you can clearly see the B-17 flying low leave almost no trails( the one at TOP LEFT)
compared to the B-17 flying higher, that is making huge permanently trails.

I think that's the difference between flying at 29.000ft or 32.000ft ?