Misc Will the Left make the IRS the “New SS”?

Sacajawea

Has No Life - Lives on TB
Given of the hiring litmus test of political viewpoint & barely breathing intelligence of the applicants & hires - the amount of money and extra people is only guaranteed to slow down tax return processing, refunds and even prosecutions.

Which results in the threat doing what it's supposed to do - allow the government to have access to ALL your paid taxes without playing by the rules and refunding your overpayment. Take a look at the tax rulings sometime; not even the IRS knows it's own rules and when/who they apply to.

I pay big bucks to an independent CPA firm to keep my business and self in compliance, every year. It is a cost of doing business at this point or I'd be completely defenseless.
 

Kathy in FL

Administrator
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Those 80,000 new agents will all be black, and guess who they will go after...

Not without an accounting/bookkeeping degree. Those positions are GS-5 and above. The link below is to the minimum requirements for that position.

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Cardinal

Chickministrator
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Not without an accounting/bookkeeping degree. Those positions are GS-5 and above. The link below is to the minimum requirements for that position.

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Yeah, and it's not like standards are being lowered everywhere to accommodate diversity.
 

Kathy in FL

Administrator
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Yeah, and it's not like standards are being lowered everywhere to accommodate diversity.

Bet they find it a whole lot more difficult to lower those standards. Those are government-wide schedule qualifications ... and they are minimums. They can't change the GS-5 for the IRS position without changing it for all GS-5's government-wide.

A more likely scenario would be for them to attempt to change the IRS agent designation to a lower designation like GS-3 or 4. The problem with that will be current GS-5 agents can make a stink about it and IRS agent's legal standing and authority will disappear which will defeat the whole process of reviewing tax returns.

The .gov can want what they want but this has the potential to really bog the entire tax return process down. I know some lawyers that are already salivating over this as a new way to make money when the .gov loses in court ... and most of the time they will because it will be about someone without a college degree in bookkeeping/accounting doing the deed rather than on the validity of the taxes themselves.
 

Betty_Rose

Veteran Member
I try not to get too tangled up in the news, especially about politics, because there's not too much any of us can really do to effect change, especially now that they're stealing votes so openly.

However...

In 2010, my small business was audited by the IRS. It was a glimpse of hell. I had to hire an attorney (who himself was a former IRS agent) to help me navigate this nightmare. The year that was audited (2008) was a year that I made $11,000 profit at my small business. Not a big year for me.

When all was said and done, I had to pay the attorney more than $3,000. And the IRS sent me a refund for $700.

I have read nothing in the last 12 months that is as openly frightening as the news that the democrats have no funded the hiring of 85,000 IRS agents. I thought it was a misprint, so I checked it out at other sources.

Nope. It's right. 85,000 new IRS agents.
 

Hawkgirl_70

Veteran Member
What can the new congress do to stop them. The way I see it. The new congress can defund the IRS. Or the new congress can pass a flat tax then figure out how many agents to lay off.
Yes, the House R's could hold up bills tying it to defunding the IRS. If Jim Jordon was leading, I could see it happening. With McCarthy, not so much.
 

vector7

Dot Collector

Kathy in FL

Administrator
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There's already trainings ... this is from a current agent by way of our accountant that has inside connections ... that business and individuals making less than 400K, as well as people that received government assistance in the last couple of years but failed to claim it as income even though it was negated on a different part of their forms, are the main focus for lower-level and/or entry-level agents. The reason for this is that Biden has claimed he will not bring "new" taxes on this group but there is nothing saying that he won't enforce existing tax laws on them. They believe, rightly, that it is individuals and businesses that make less than 400K per year that commit the most tax evasion. Those that make more than that generally have accountants and bookkeepers that keep them out of that kind of hotwater.

What I can foresee is that everyone is going to have to have their tax returns certified by a tax agent/federally authorized preparer before turning it in.
 

ghost

Veteran Member
that's a good opinion and it should be reality... should.

Sort of goes without needing much saying that the govt crooks don't care about good or bad PR anymore, nor what the public thinks of them. Most of them and their minions are un-elected bureaucrats with near permanent tenure. And more importantly, they have the power to freeze or seize bank accounts and property, regardless of what the pubic thinks.
These agencies are politicized with a hard left bend, although really it's just a 1% vs 99% bend, so the weaponization must be being done for their self protection, via direct use or more likely just intimidation of use.

If it's accurate that the IRS will be targeting the low income end, that would be more a psychological attach than a money grab - after all, the big money isn't with the low income category. Or, how to create a new generation of Joe Stacks.
To GOD ALMIGHTY, the IRS has no authority, what so ever.
invasive roman society ! IRS
 

West

Senior
Business expenses are not taxed as income. That's a loop hole idiots and bureaucrats claim.

They should tax 100% of all sales as income.

That would fix us evil, greedy independent businesses!

:D
 

Henry Bowman

Veteran Member
Tyrants and Tyranny are only successful for 2 reasons.

1) They are allowed to commit acts of Tyranny by the populace without repercussion.

2) They have those that help them along. Workers and minions. In this case clerks and "Agents" , cogs in the machine if you will. These lowlife scum should be seen as just as bad , if not worse because they are carrying out the Tyrants wishes. They should be treated as such.
 

vector7

Dot Collector
JoBama's weaponised IRS continues to persecute their political enemies.

Did you know that the IRS only audits Americans who live in RED States?

Large swaths of the country are left untouched and unmolested by federal power — as long as they consistently deliver for the Democrat party.

See the east coast, upper Midwest, PA, New York & Illinois!?!?
View: https://twitter.com/bennyjohnson/status/1556976169832091649?t=ctTby9BQalWXOt0GatQ_uQ&s=19
 

SackLunch

Dirt roads take me home
Remember the Nazi Lois Lerner?
Saw that for myself during her reign. In a red state, clients tried to establish nonprofits for various charity work with orphans and educational outreach. The ones with "freedom" sounding names took over two years to get nonprofit status aporoved.
 

Wildweasel

F-4 Phantoms Phorever

They're gonna need double their workforce to enforce the coming wealth tax. Like in days of yore the tax collectors will visit every home to assess the value of all you have and demand payment of taxes on your wealth. Only this time instead of an axeman with them to back them up, there will be several agents armed with M-16s.

I wonder if a new Robin Hood will rise up to oppose this new version of the Sherriff of Nottingham and his men?
 

wintery_storm

Veteran Member
I think a great deal of this is the new 600 dollar limit on selling off items you do not want on websites like ebay ,etsy and other avenues. Biden brought that dollar amount down low. Every state had a different threshold prior to this. My state had it at 5 thousand. I know lots of elderly people would sell on ebay to make extra money. Well now everyone is a business .
I stopped selling early on in the year but will have to fill out a IRS business form.

I still read on ebay posts people who insist they are not a business and are selling 30 thousand a year and say it's a hobby. The thing they do not understand is the Hobby definition of selling online no longer exists with the IRS. It stopped in 2018 .
 

West

Senior
I think a great deal of this is the new 600 dollar limit on selling off items you do not want on websites like ebay ,etsy and other avenues. Biden brought that dollar amount down low. Every state had a different threshold prior to this. My state had it at 5 thousand. I know lots of elderly people would sell on ebay to make extra money. Well now everyone is a business .
I stopped selling early on in the year but will have to fill out a IRS business form.

I still read on ebay posts people who insist they are not a business and are selling 30 thousand a year and say it's a hobby. The thing they do not understand is the Hobby definition of selling online no longer exists with the IRS. It stopped in 2018 .

It's $400. If one makes more than $400 a year in income from their labors or from making any kind of profit that they use as income, one must pay 15% in FICA taxes plus compliance.
 

anna43

Veteran Member
First IRS used by Obama to target Christian conservatives. Then DOJ and FBI targets Trump. So, we add 87,000 to the IRS while the FBI is currently actively going Gestapo and targeting those who disagree with their political viewpoint.

What makes me the angriest is that there are crimes that have been and are being committed that are not being investigated while at the same time they are wasting resources persecuting Trump. That persecution is and has been political from day one.

While working one of the stupidest issues I had to deal with was the IRS after they made the mistake of issuing the same EIN number to two different probate estates. This took over two years to straighten out or at least two years before they quit harassing us. The final stupid was a phone call from the IRS where they lady decided in the middle of the call to tell my boss that she could not discuss the matter with him since he "wasn't authorized" ... after a brief pause boss says, but YOU called me.
 

Cowgirl4christ

Senior Member

vector7

Dot Collector
These are the types of training the IRS is providing to agents that are supposed to audit the rich people to make sure they’re paying their fair share of taxes? Looks like they’re getting a paramilitary squad ready.

That’s interesting I thought I heard them use the word conspiracy.

These people ARE NOT REVENUE AGENTS! They are CRIMINAL INVESTIGATION SPECIAL AGENTS!

They aren't going after Tax records- they are going after EVERYTHING you own!!!!

Some look a like their from the 2020 riots and not so peaceful protests. Guess its payback time for all their dedicated work.

Looks like an ANTIFA rally. That is who they are hiring. These leftist activists with an axe to grind.

Notice the audit victim says he has a CCW.

They are coming for our firearms. Auditing is simply a cover.

They’re NOT going after “tax offenders!” They are going after middle class conservatives!

A continuation and escalation of persecuting their political enemies.

Many of these people will be killed.... And for what??

The MAGA/J6 narratives...the independent Middle Class must be subdued. That’s the last group of voters standing in the way of their power grab.
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View: https://twitter.com/scot1222/status/1559909085696479233?t=j0Wxxk2qwFdrfxedeMMU1Q&s=19
 
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West

Senior
All the money you pay in the social security tax is spent before you ever think on collecting your portion of the entitlement.

Tax planning isn’t just for the elite wealthy. Every person that pays taxes should be strategizing before you pay the first red penny or digital dot.

That's all good and right.

But my point is that by the majority the working poor are working pay check to pay check, and our government takes advantage of them and steals 15% of their labores and punishes their employers to collect it.

Then years later many going to work, just working at home,, etc.. or almost ready to retire and they die early, most with no dependents.

And they get not one penny of those blood labores returned to their estates.

Then many who have hardly paid into the scam system and qualify for disability get way more than they have paid into the system.

And the S.S./FICA system is a huge bureaucratic bureaucracy where thousands and thousands of bureaucrats gain lifetime jobs with the best benefits known to man.

Scam!
 

WTSR

Veteran Member
What is there to audit when they only make 25,000?
Or do the audited ones making 25k own two new cars and have a vacation home?

CREDIT!

HOW MUCH CREDIT (DEBT) do you have relative to your INCOME.

If you have large amount of outstanding DEBT then this would be a HUGE red flag to them.
 
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