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Cyclonemom

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Initial background story......



ThedaCare asks court to temporarily stop 7 stroke, trauma employees from moving to Ascension
Madeline Heim
Appleton Post-Crescent

APPLETON - ThedaCare officials are asking Outagamie County judge Mark McGinnis to pause the recruitment of seven of their employees to Ascension Northeast Wisconsin, arguing the move will endanger patients in the region who need treatment for strokes and traumatic injuries.


In a Thursday interview with The Post-Crescent, ThedaCare leaders said Ascension recruited a group of ThedaCare employees from its interventional radiology and cardiovascular team. That team performs procedures to stop bleeding in targeted areas during a traumatic injury or restore blood flow to the brain in the case of a stroke.


Seven of 11 employees on that team accepted offers with Ascension and will start there next week if the court does not act, said Lynn Detterman, ThedaCare's senior vice president for its south region.

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ThedaCare filed for a temporary injunction Thursday, which would halt the employees' move to Ascension for 90 days to give ThedaCare time to look for replacement staff. Detterman said ThedaCare tried to resolve the matter first by speaking with Ascension but were unsuccessful.
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Without more time, ThedaCare leaders say they could struggle to treat trauma and stroke patients locally, which could mean sending a severely injured person hours away before they can get care. ThedaCare's Neenah hospital is the only Level II trauma center — which can provide higher levels of care for traumatic injuries — between Green Bay and the Milwaukee area.
"There's only a small crew of people who have this type of expertise, so trying to backfill, or recruit, or substitute people in is not as easy as it sounds," said Dr. Ray Georgen, ThedaCare's trauma medical director.

Detterman said the move comes at an especially difficult time, as Fox Valley hospitals struggle with an influx of COVID-19 patients — the highest numbers since March 2020, according to data from the Wisconsin Hospital Association. In more normal circumstances, patients could count on being able to be transferred quickly to a hospital with more resources if needed, she said, something that's not guaranteed today.
"To be focused on this (court action) instead of (the pandemic) is just so disappointing," she said.

A statement from an Ascension Wisconsin spokesperson said:
"Workforce shortages are one of the many stresses healthcare systems have faced during this pandemic. Many healthcare systems, including Ascension Wisconsin, continue to actively recruit healthcare workers. Contrary to the allegations in the ThedaCare lawsuit, Ascension Wisconsin did not initiate the recruitment of the ThedaCare employees. Rather, the employees applied for open job postings. To the extent such individuals met the job qualifications, Ascension Wisconsin made offers of employment to the individuals who applied as a part of Ascension Wisconsin’s routine process of hiring qualified associates at a fair and just wage. It is Ascension Wisconsin’s understanding that ThedaCare had an opportunity but declined to make competitive counter offers to retain its former employees.

"Given the unfortunate decision by ThedaCare to file a lawsuit to enjoin competitive labor practices, we will not be commenting further as this matter proceeds through litigation."
Health care workers are in high demand and short supply nationally, as the stresses of COVID-19 and other work worries have driven them out of the field — about one in five have left their jobs since the pandemic began.
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Contact reporter Madeline Heim at 920-996-7266 or mheim@gannett.com. Follow her on Twitter at @madeline_heim.
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Cyclonemom

Veteran Member
Followed by the judges injunction....


OUTAGAMIE COUNTY, Wis. (WBAY) - UPDATE 1/22

A judge has granted ThedaCare a temporary restraining order in a dispute with Ascension Wisconsin.

Thursday morning, ThedaCare filed for a temporary injunction against Ascension Wisconsin, saying it could cause the community harm by recruiting a majority of ThedaCare’s comprehensive stroke care team.

On Friday, an Outagamie County judge ruled in favor of ThedaCare and issued this order:

“Make available to ThedaCare one invasive radiology technician and one registered nurse of the individuals resigning their employment with ThedaCare to join Ascension, with their support to include on-call responsibilities or;

Cease the hiring of the individuals referenced until ThedaCare has hired adequate staff to replace the departing IRC team members.”
ThedaCare operates the only Level II trauma and comprehensive stroke care unit in the Fox Valley. It says losing these workers could impact its ability to have people on call 24/7, which is necessary for accreditation.

Action 2 News spoke to one of the workers leaving. They told us there was no recruiting. Rather, one member of the team applied for a job with Ascension Wisconsin and received a much better offer than expected, which led others on the team to apply.

INITIAL REPORT
A dispute over workers between two Fox Valley health care providers is now before an Outagamie County judge.
Thursday morning, ThedaCare filed for a temporary injunction against Ascension Wisconsin, saying it could cause the community harm by recruiting a majority of its comprehensive stroke care team.

We’re told seven of the 11 members of that team accepted positions with Ascension Wisconsin to work at St. Elizabeth Hospital. That transition would begin Friday, January 21.
ThedaCare operates the only Level II trauma and comprehensive stroke care unit in the Fox Valley. It says losing these workers could impact its ability to have people on call 24/7, which is necessary for accreditation.

“The facility in Appleton at St. Elizabeth is a primary stroke center so that is one designation below. So stroke victims may have to be diverted to Green Bay or potentially as far as Madison or Milwaukee,” said Lynn Detterman, a senior vice president at ThedaCare.
The court action seeks to partner with Ascension Wisconsin for 90 days, giving ThedaCare enough time to fill those lost positions.

Detterman added, “Where the issue is is the group recruitment, and it will be in our court filing with our examples for that, but it just really in the spirit of our community is harmed by this potentially so we just want to work collectively to ensure that does not happen.”

Action 2 News spoke to one of the workers leaving. They told us there was no recruiting. Rather, one member of the team applied for a job with Ascension Wisconsin and received a much better offer than expected, which led others on the team to apply.

A spokesperson for Ascension Wisconsin released this statement Thursday night:
“Workforce shortages are one of the many stresses healthcare systems have faced during this pandemic. Many healthcare systems, including Ascension Wisconsin, continue to actively recruit healthcare workers. Contrary to the allegations in the ThedaCare lawsuit, Ascension Wisconsin did not initiate the recruitment of the ThedaCare employees. Rather, the employees applied for open job postings. To the extent such individuals met the job qualifications, Ascension Wisconsin made offers of employment to the individuals who applied as a part of Ascension Wisconsin’s routine process of hiring qualified associates at a fair and just wage. It is Ascension Wisconsin’s understanding that ThedaCare had an opportunity but declined to make competitive counter offers to retain its former employees.

Given the unfortunate decision by ThedaCare to file a lawsuit to enjoin competitive labor practices, we will not be commenting further as this matter proceeds through litigation.”
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hunybee

Veteran Member
and what time frame did the judge give the place to hire new people? is this saying that the medical personnel cannot quit? how long did they give the hospital to get replacements?

are they going to match the pay and benefits package that their new employers were going to pay them while they keep them hostage and force them to work?

i very much understand that peoples' lives are in the balance here. that is not the issue though. there is alot not being stated with this.
 

Dobbin

Faithful Steed
So these employees are "too essential to let go?" Sort of like 2008 with Banks that were "Too large to fail?"

So when is ANY employee "too essential to let go?" Does this sort of enter the realm of socialism where "We pretend to work and they (the employers) pretend to pay us?"

Owner's son (former health care employee) would tell of healthcare workers NOT being short supply. Perhaps at the pay scales that health care employers are willing to pay - but why would that be a problem?

Oh yeah. It's a profit motive among health care employers.

Owner's son would also say that while permanent staff may be difficult to hire - right now - CONTRACT employees are available with a two hour notice. Problem is - contract employees are well paid IN THE EXTREME. Like normal employees earn something like $40 a hour. While their contract replacements get $400 a hour.

Its law of supply & demand. At Owner's Son's former employer - their solution is to solicit replacements OVERSEAS among the various Green Card eligible - and then pay their relocation to the US, and pay their lawyer fees to achieve green card, and THEN pay them perhaps a third beyond what Owner's Son made to stay here and not return overseas.

IMHO, the Judge got "snookered" - and obviously the law is truly an ass.

Sounds like fertile ground to start a "collusion" lawsuit. "Color of law enforcement of unconstitutional restraint of trade."

Dobbin
 

Illini Warrior

Illini Warrior
There's lot of companies that wish they could stop an employee hemorrhage with a lawsuit >>> oldest HR trick in book is to find a cracker jack hire and suck them dry of fellow former employee friends ....

I know a smaller company outside Portland that lost almost its entire office to one of the tech companies - had an entire fleet of ride share vehicles going into Portland from that little town ....
 

Knoxville's Joker

Has No Life - Lives on TB
Why don't they simply quit? seems like that would have been a quick fix, instead of letting it go to court.

They put in their notice. Their first mistake was being vocal on where they go. Their second mistake was working for a monster of an employer. I could probably guess that this employer has all sorts of folks on the dole so he can break laws with reckless abandon. The bosses mistake is making this hit the national news as then that stuff starts to get unraveled...
 

Dreamer

Veteran Member
Followed by the judges injunction....


OUTAGAMIE COUNTY, Wis. (WBAY) - UPDATE 1/22

A judge has granted ThedaCare a temporary restraining order in a dispute with Ascension Wisconsin.

Thursday morning, ThedaCare filed for a temporary injunction against Ascension Wisconsin, saying it could cause the community harm by recruiting a majority of ThedaCare’s comprehensive stroke care team.

On Friday, an Outagamie County judge ruled in favor of ThedaCare and issued this order:

“Make available to ThedaCare one invasive radiology technician and one registered nurse of the individuals resigning their employment with ThedaCare to join Ascension, with their support to include on-call responsibilities or;

Cease the hiring of the individuals referenced until ThedaCare has hired adequate staff to replace the departing IRC team members.”
ThedaCare operates the only Level II trauma and comprehensive stroke care unit in the Fox Valley. It says losing these workers could impact its ability to have people on call 24/7, which is necessary for accreditation.

Action 2 News spoke to one of the workers leaving. They told us there was no recruiting. Rather, one member of the team applied for a job with Ascension Wisconsin and received a much better offer than expected, which led others on the team to apply.

INITIAL REPORT
A dispute over workers between two Fox Valley health care providers is now before an Outagamie County judge.
Thursday morning, ThedaCare filed for a temporary injunction against Ascension Wisconsin, saying it could cause the community harm by recruiting a majority of its comprehensive stroke care team.

We’re told seven of the 11 members of that team accepted positions with Ascension Wisconsin to work at St. Elizabeth Hospital. That transition would begin Friday, January 21.
ThedaCare operates the only Level II trauma and comprehensive stroke care unit in the Fox Valley. It says losing these workers could impact its ability to have people on call 24/7, which is necessary for accreditation.

“The facility in Appleton at St. Elizabeth is a primary stroke center so that is one designation below. So stroke victims may have to be diverted to Green Bay or potentially as far as Madison or Milwaukee,” said Lynn Detterman, a senior vice president at ThedaCare.
The court action seeks to partner with Ascension Wisconsin for 90 days, giving ThedaCare enough time to fill those lost positions.

Detterman added, “Where the issue is is the group recruitment, and it will be in our court filing with our examples for that, but it just really in the spirit of our community is harmed by this potentially so we just want to work collectively to ensure that does not happen.”

Action 2 News spoke to one of the workers leaving. They told us there was no recruiting. Rather, one member of the team applied for a job with Ascension Wisconsin and received a much better offer than expected, which led others on the team to apply.

A spokesperson for Ascension Wisconsin released this statement Thursday night:
“Workforce shortages are one of the many stresses healthcare systems have faced during this pandemic. Many healthcare systems, including Ascension Wisconsin, continue to actively recruit healthcare workers. Contrary to the allegations in the ThedaCare lawsuit, Ascension Wisconsin did not initiate the recruitment of the ThedaCare employees. Rather, the employees applied for open job postings. To the extent such individuals met the job qualifications, Ascension Wisconsin made offers of employment to the individuals who applied as a part of Ascension Wisconsin’s routine process of hiring qualified associates at a fair and just wage. It is Ascension Wisconsin’s understanding that ThedaCare had an opportunity but declined to make competitive counter offers to retain its former employees.

Given the unfortunate decision by ThedaCare to file a lawsuit to enjoin competitive labor practices, we will not be commenting further as this matter proceeds through litigation.”
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Lone_Hawk

Resident Spook
When this all started there was a call from some Democraps that the healthcare industry should be nationalized to meet the scamdemic but Trump shot it down. Along with Obamacare and everything else they are trying it would not surprise me if a Congresscritter took this up and pushed for legislation to nationalize. This is a test case.
 

Knoxville's Joker

Has No Life - Lives on TB
When this all started there was a call from some Democraps that the healthcare industry should be nationalized to meet the scamdemic but Trump shot it down. Along with Obamacare and everything else they are trying it would not surprise me if a Congresscritter took this up and pushed for legislation to nationalize. This is a test case.

That is not a move they want to make. Nationalizing healthcare also means they have to assume all liabilities. Not something they are going to pursue once GAO passes out the costs sheets on the idea...
 

Knoxville's Joker

Has No Life - Lives on TB
At this point, they don't care what the cost is. The control it would give them would be more than worth it.

If you look back far enough, the hospital model was not a real thing until the 1800s. If they push things wrong they will force things so far underground no one will be willing to cooperate.
 

Dobbin

Faithful Steed
At this point, they don't care what the cost is. The control it would give them would be more than worth it.
When you have an unlimited supply of dollars, you can hand them out to any Tom, Dick & Harry - and all their Illegal cousins from south of the border without repercussion.

Sort of. Voting Reform is popular these days. So are Leftist Judges.

"Oh so sorry you lost your wife to CoronaVirus Jab 5 - here take $4M for your trouble - and we won't let it happen again."

Dobbin
 

Publius

TB Fanatic
Sounds like the judge is working for the employer and the employer had the chance to make offers to keep their workers can fire workers without notice and not have a replacement ready to take their place.
How about temp service and patients can be transported to another company.
 

Melodi

Disaster Cat
They should get their lawyer's advice of course, but just deciding to "stay home" or even "call in sick" would be my way of dealing with this - or as others have said, just move out of State if that was possible.

This is slavery, and it is a very scary court ruling.
 
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