…… Where do I call to report a smarta** Mormon?

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AlfaMan

Has No Life - Lives on TB
Honestly … I’m surprised you answered the door. We never do. If your not expected, good luck. Something doesn’t play right with this. You’ve already had a visit from the alphabets, right?

Peephole in the door and a persuasion device (with 45 reasons not to screw with me) on the end table in 1/2 second reach. I'll answer the door; besides Amazon and UPS deliver stuff late here.

No personal visits from alphabets, no. Headed that off at the pass so to speak. For myself and my brothers........
 

Raggedyman

Res ipsa loquitur
I'm not Mormon, but I've encountered the young missionaries many times and they have always been very polite and well-spoken. I wonder if these characters are something else in disguise?

Kathleen

this EXACTLY matches my many past experiences with LDS missionaries. courteous, well mannered, dressed in white shirt tie and name badge
 

briches

Veteran Member
I haven’t read all the replies, but when I read this thread topic, I thought you were teasing Dennis about something :jstr:
 

Barry Natchitoches

Has No Life - Lives on TB
Alfa, in answer to one of your questions - our local missionaries are not supposed to return to their apartments to retire for the evening until 9 pm. They might get away at returning 15 minutes early, but if their zone leader comes around and finds them home too early, they can get in trouble for denying the Lord his proselyting time.

I found this out when having local missionaries for dinner - they had to be fed at exactly 5 pm, and had to be back out on the streets proselyting by 5:45. I was very surprised to learn that they were not to quit knocking on doors until shortly before 9 pm.

Since they will usually knock on doors near their apartment that close to quitting time, I bet you they don’t live all that far from you. If housing is expensive in your area, they may be living either 4 or even 6 to a single apartment - making it even more difficult to slip in a few minutes before the official quitting time.

So they might hit your complex because it is close to their home, and it is so close to quitting time - not much of a walk or drive to get home soon as possible after quitting time.

That is purely conjecture on my part, of course, but it is a common scenerio with LDS missionaries, and could explain why they keep coming back to a place where they know they are not wanted.

The short answer to your question, however, is that - yes - missionaries can be found knocking on doors well after 8 pm, even close to 9 pm if you live really close to their apartment.

As for the ugly, rude language - I cannot say I have ever encountered that in an LDS missionary before. I have known hundreds of missionaries over the years, and they are human. Yet I cannot say I have ever heard that kind of language come out of their mouths during their two years of service.

But surely it is possible, I suppose, especially if something might have happened to the two boys not long before you encountered them. Like maybe they were harassed by members of a street gang or something.

Just my thoughts on the matter.
 
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summerthyme

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Alfa an, to answer one of your questions - our local missionaries are not supposed to return to their apartments to retire for the evening until 9 pm. They might get away at returning 15 minutes early, but if their zone leader comes around and finds them home too early, they can get in trouble for denying the Lord his proselyting time.

I found this out when having local missionaries for dinner - they had to be fed at exactly 5 pm, and had to be back out on the streets proselyting by 5:45. I was very surprised to learn that they were not to quit knocking on doors until shortly before 9 pm.

Since they will usually knock on doors near their apartment that close to quitting time, I bet you they don’t live all that far from you. If housing is expensive in your area, they may be living either 4 or rven 6 to a single apartment - making it even more difficult to slip in a few minutes before the official quitting time.

So they might hit your complex because it is close to their home, and it is so close to quitting time - not much of a walk or drive to get home soon as possible after quitting time.

That is purely conjecture on my part, of course, but it is a common scenerio with LDS missionaries, and could explain why they keep coming back to a place where they know they are not wanted.

The short answer to your question, however, is that - yes - missionaries can be found knocking on doors well after 8 pm, even close to 9 pm if you live really close to their apartment.

As for the ugly, rude language - I cannot say I have ever encountered that in an LDS missionary before.

But surely it is possible, I suppose, especially if something might have happened to the two boys not long before you encountered them. Like maybe they were harassed by members of a street gang.

Just my thoughts on the matter.
Barry, I mean this question with all due respect... as I've said upthread, I've never seen a rude LDS missionary. But wouldn't they be instructed to obey local law enforcement and no soliciting laws.. or not?

Summerthyme
 

Barry Natchitoches

Has No Life - Lives on TB
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Barry, I mean this question with all due respect... as I've said upthread, I've never seen a rude LDS missionary. But wouldn't they be instructed to obey local law enforcement and no soliciting laws.. or not?

Summerthyme
Yes, they are.

And this sounds like behavior that - if these two boys were LDS missionaries - is certainly uncharacteristic of the group.

But I have seen so many strange things of late - things I have never before seen in my lifetime - that I won’t discount anything anymore.

LDS missionaries might be annoying to many, but they are generally very polite even as they annoy, and yes, they generally will obey LEOs.

As for obeying no solicitation orders - if given by an LEO or building superintendent, they will generally obey.

But - at least here in the south - they will often disregard NO SOLICITATION signs on private homes. I have seen that alot. They figure that means “No Salesmen,” and they do not consider themselves to be salesmen.

It was a number of years ago, but I went on “splits” with a couple of missionaries - that is when two civilian men join the missionaries, and one civilian man pairs off with one missionary while the other civilian pairs up with the other missionary, and the two couples split off and go tracting in different parts of the same neighborhood.

Anyway, while I went door knocking with my missionary partner, we encountered a residence with one of those NO SOLICITATION signs, and he insisted we knock anyway, since we were not “selling“ anything.
 
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Squib

Veteran Member
Like most here, ive interacted with many of these young men over the years.

Although my understanding of Biblical doctrine differs some from LDS doctrine, I have invited several into my home over the years.

Always respectful, meek, polite…a couple of occasions many year ago when I was working as a Paramedic, I ran a couple calls on some of the missionaries who were assaulted in their visiting by some local inbred jackasses.…

Even then, the boys were respectful and, I must admit, much more gracious than I would have been if I’d been run off the road and cussed at…

One last thing, as others have said, I’d still be suspicious that you were being sized up or cased in some way…remember, the bad guys are getting creative in their disguises - often dressing as UPS delivery people and even posing as FBI and other LEO.
 

WalknTrot

Veteran Member
Haha! They probably were slacking on their door-knocking quota this week and needed to make up ground.
Kids are kids, and when out on their own, are gonna do and say stupid stuff once in a while. Maybe one reason they are sent out by their elders to sink or swim. Do something stupid, and get corrected for it or learn something from it.

I suspect apartment dwellers are fine fodder for any flavor of religious evangelizers. Comfortable ambient temperature, potential victims are clustered together in one building. A lot less work and misery than driving around/walking cold streets or braving the hinterlands.
 

Hfcomms

EN66iq
Meh;

How would you report a smartass Catholic or Protestant and more importantly who would you report it to? People are people and all church organizations are full of very flawed people and usually those are found in senior leadership positions. Lust for power, control and all of that instead of being servants to their people.

When they act like that it really undermines everything they claim to be for. It is what it is. Just recognize it and move on. If they act like that towards someone on the outside they are probably even worse to their own on the inside.
 

Meemur

Voice on the Prairie / FJB!
How would you report a smartass Catholic or Protestant and more importantly who would you report it to?

Here's the deal: they were proselytizing. During this activity, all religious members need to be on their best behavior. In general, Catholics and Lutherans don't go recruiting, but Baptists, JWs, and Methodists have made their way to my door. I wouldn't hesitate to phone the church and speak with an elder if any of them were rude or breaking any laws.

However, in this day and age, I would also suspect robbers casing my house. This is far less likely now because I've downsized to a hovel and don't look like I have much, but I wouldn't open the door to them.
 
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OldArcher

Has No Life - Lives on TB
Sitting here with the missus, knock on the door. Two young Mormons wanted to talk about Jesus. I told them I didn't want to and they were soliciting (it's 830 pm folks. Come on!) One piped up with "we have permission to be on the property anytime we want".

No they don't; they have been run off for these "talks about Jesus" during the very early morning, twice a day in some buildings, at night, all the time basically- and me and the property mgr. are friends-no, they don't have permission. Cops have escorted them off the property at least twice. Looking for souls is one thing-but this late at night?

I informed them their statements were incorrect-in return I was told to "F*ck off". as they walked away from my wide open door (and persuasion instrument in clear view on the end table). In front of my home, in my face, in the evening.

Yeah, one actually said that. Really????????

So, my question is; how can I track down the group these folks are with? I'd like to inform their preacher of their sterling representatives of their religion. And I'd like to ask whoever their leaders are is this representative of the faith these yokels are supposed to be representing?

I'm a little calmer now; when this happened it just surprised me. And angered me. And I don't get mad, I get even. If I can get a license plate on their next visit here, woe be unto them and their families.

The Field of Honor?

OA
 

AlfaMan

Has No Life - Lives on TB
One more thing: did they introduce themselves?

“Hi, I’m Elder Jones, and I’m Sister Morgan….”

If not, you can be certain they’re not legit.

Yes, they did announce themselves. I called that 800 number (whoever posted it thank you!) and reported the incident and gave the names. They were very apologetic; I did ask they call our leasing office to confirm the fact they have been told to stay off the property. I was told they would get in touch with the stake? in question and let them know of the incident.
The woman I spoke to was like speaking to a grandmother, quite chummy and pleasant. I told her if she would come out I'd talk to her. But they need to spank these kids.
 

AlfaMan

Has No Life - Lives on TB
Meh;

How would you report a smartass Catholic or Protestant and more importantly who would you report it to? People are people and all church organizations are full of very flawed people and usually those are found in senior leadership positions. Lust for power, control and all of that instead of being servants to their people.

When they act like that it really undermines everything they claim to be for. It is what it is. Just recognize it and move on. If they act like that towards someone on the outside they are probably even worse to their own on the inside.

Exactly. Definitely a turn off to learn anything further about them. No thanks.
 

MinnesotaSmith

Membership Revoked
Perhaps someone could inform whomever is in charge of the various Mormon mission groups, that in America, Protestants, Eastern Orthodox, and Roman Catholics all consider themselves to already be Christians, as they have been for over a millenia, so that there is no need of proselytizing to them to save their souls. If the Mormons consider Protestants and such to not be Christians due to being outside their group, then members of those groups can be expected to return the favor, and in turn not consider Mormons and their theology Christian, so that again no nonMormon who classifies himself as Christian would have any point (besides getting more dough each week for the offering plate) to listening to them. (When a RC priest told me that since I was a Protestant he didn't deem my church's sacred rites to be valid, I then mentally wrote him and his church out of what I considered coreligionists, a change in my view.)
 
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Millwright

Knuckle Dragger
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Had another group, it was middle aged to older women working their way down the street. (not mormon, I don't think)

Long skirts, hair up in buns...the whole deal.

I had been out in the shop, putting the motor back in my Vette and was kinda greasy....on top of my generally skuzzy self. :lol:

Went and got a beer and sat on the front porch with my german shedder laying there.

They walked up, "how ya' doin...the dog shouldn't bite, would you like a beer, etc".

It was politely declined, but they weren't deterred.

After a bit of their spiel, I asked, "Are any of you beautiful ladies single?" They kinda twittered and told me they were all married.

"Oh, I see....Well, do any of you tend to fool around?"

It got kinda quiet among them for a few seconds.

Then I got worried.

OHHHHH $#it!!!.....WTH was I gonna do if they took me serious? :lol:

The chase van drove up about then and they wandered back down the driveway and loaded up.

I kept watch for a few days, thinking I might have to dive over the back fence and run through the woods if I saw them coming.

:lkick:
 
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echo19

Senior Member
801-240-2222 full time missionary department I’m sure they will help with the problem.
Correct. Contact the Mission President or office for your area and give him your address and date and time they were there. They will track down the missionaries assigned to the area. Rest assured, if they were missionaries they will be dealt with harshly. To include possibly being sent home if this is a trend. Nothing worse than a disgraced missionary returning home early.
 

TKO

Veteran Member
I used to go to a mormon church for boyscouts until they tried to babtize me

I walked off and that was the last time I was in an LDS church, and the last time I was in boyscouts, I was blacklisted, and that's why I'm not an eagle scout.
They can only baptize you with your permission.
 

TKO

Veteran Member
Had them come by when I was in Tx.

Sorry, I'm busy.

They pressed a little bit.

Y'all wanna come in and have some whiskey?

They wandered off.


Were never impolite.
Hehehe. OK. Well, many here know my story. I was LDS most of my life. I left the LDS Church. I had this exact same thing happen. I said, "Come on in and have a glass of wine and we'll talk." (now, i don't drink alcohol. i just said that.) The senior elder said, "We'd love to come in and talk. We'll drink some water if you have some, though. You can drink wine." LOL! I invited them in and we had a good discussion. I wasn't trying to convince them of anything and they were doing their best to try and convince me...up until they thought I was over the edge about Joseph Smith. They then politely said they had another appointment they had to go attend.
 

MinnesotaSmith

Membership Revoked
They can only baptize you with your permission.
Not true.


Mormon Church apologizes for posthumous baptisms
BY MITCHELL LANDSBERG, LOS ANGELES TIMES
FEB. 15, 2012

"The Mormon Church apologized Tuesday for a “serious breach of protocol” after it was discovered that the parents of the late Nazi hunter Simon Wiesenthal were posthumously baptized as Mormons. The church also acknowledged that one of its members tried to baptize posthumously three relatives of Holocaust survivor Elie Wiesel.

The efforts, at least in Wiesenthal’s case, violated the terms of an agreement that the church signed in 1995, in which it agreed to stop baptizing Jewish victims of the Holocaust. Wiesenthal and Wiesel gained fame for careers spent grappling with the legacy of the Holocaust, Wiesenthal by hunting down war criminals, Wiesel by writing books that became part of the canon of 20th century literature.

Coming at a time when the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints is in the public eye as perhaps never before, the revelations could prove embarrassing — and, conceivably, influence perceptions of presidential candidate Mitt Romney’s faith.

Posthumous baptism is common in the Mormon Church. The purpose is to ensure that ancestors can join church members in the afterlife. Individual Mormons submit to the church the names of persons they wish to have baptized, then undergo baptism “by proxy.”

However, the practice has sometimes offended those of other faiths whose ancestors are baptized by proxy by enthusiastic Mormons. That is especially true of the families of Jewish victims of the Holocaust, whose outcries prompted the 1995 agreement. Although the Mormon Church now says its policy limits posthumous baptisms to direct ancestors of its members, it acknowledges that the policy is sometimes violated.

The latest revelations came from Helen Radkey, a former Mormon who independently researches Mormon genealogy. Radkey is perhaps best known for discovering in 2009 that President Obama’s mother, Stanley Ann Dunham, had been baptized after her death.

The church acknowledged that individual Mormons had been baptized on behalf of Wiesenthal’s parents and that other members were apparently preparing to do so for Wiesel’s three relatives.
“We sincerely regret that the actions of an individual member of the church” led to the baptism of Wiesenthal’s parents, Mormon Church spokesman Matthew Purdy said. ""We consider this a serious breach of our protocol and we have suspended indefinitely this person’s ability to access our genealogy records.”

In the case of Wiesel’s family, the process was apparently halted in its early stages.
The church did not identify the members responsible in either case.
Wiesenthal’s mother, Rosa, died in 1942 in the Belzek extermination camp. His father, Asher, had died earlier, in combat in World War I. Simon Wiesenthal died in 2005.

“If Simon were alive today, it’s hard to really describe what his reaction would be,” said Rabbi Abraham Cooper, associate dean of the Simon Wiesenthal Center in Los Angeles.

Cooper described the Mormon practice of posthumous baptism as a “beautiful gesture,” when done within Mormon families, but said it was inappropriate and offensive to baptize the Jewish dead, especially those who died in the Holocaust.
“Their physical lives were taken, their communities were destroyed and now somebody is coming along, however well-intentioned, and is suggesting that they’re going to rebrand their souls,” he said. “It just doesn’t compute.”
 

billet

Veteran Member
Every group will statistically have a few bad apples.

I wouldn't give these two another thought, as long as they don't come back.
My sister just moved here to Fl from SLC. She's not Mormon, but lived and worked around them for years. She once told me that the ones that don't adhere to the rules are referred to as "Jack Mormons".
 

cyberiot

Rimtas žmogus
Perhaps someone could inform whomever is in charge of the various Mormon mission groups, that in America, Protestants, Eastern Orthodox, and Roman Catholics all consider themselves to already be Christians, as they have been for over a millenia, so that there is no need of proselytizing to them to save their souls. If the Mormons consider Protestants and such to not be Christians due to being outside their group, then members of those groups can be expected to return the favor, and in turn not consider Mormons and their theology Christian, so that again no nonMormon who classifies himself as Christian would have any point (besides getting more dough each week for the offering plate) to listening to them. (When a RC priest told me that since I was a Protestant he didn't deem my church's sacred rites to be valid, I then mentally wrote him and his church out of what I considered coreligionists, a change in my view.)

Except that this is how things really work:

I was walking across a bridge one day, and I saw a man standing on the edge, about to jump off. So I ran over and said, "Stop! Don't do it!"

"Why shouldn't I?" he said.

I said, "Well, there's so much to live for!" He said, "Like what?"

I said, "Well, are you religious?" He said, "Yes--I'm religious."

I said, "Me, too! Are you Christian?" He said, "Yes--I'm Christian."

I said, "Me, too! Are you Catholic or Protestant?" He said, "Protestant."

I said, "Me, too! Are you Episcopalian? Lutheran? Baptist?" He said, "Baptist!"

I said, "Wow! Me, too! Are you Baptist Church of God or Baptist Church of the Lord?" He said, "Baptist Church of God!"

I said, "Me, too! Original Baptist Church of God or Reformed Baptist Church of God?" He said, "Reformed Baptist Church of God!"

I said, "Me, too! Are you Reformed Baptist Church of God, Reformation of 1879, or Reformed Baptist Church of God, Reformation of 1915?" He said, "Reformed Baptist Church of God, Reformation of 1915!"

I said, "Die, heretic scum!" and pushed him off.
 

paul bunyan

Frostbite Falls, Minnesota
Sounds like a pair of either bored or hungry Elders. Need food always. Need warmth. They probably have a jackass Mission President, their big boss, who was ex FBI or maybe ex-Military.
I was a Mormon missionary and their actions are reprehensible. I would just drop by a friendly Members home for some team building and a hot cup of coffee...sacr.. Postum, hot.
Do not get caught going to a drive in Movie....hahah....
 

pauldingbabe

The Great Cat
Yes, they did announce themselves. I called that 800 number (whoever posted it thank you!) and reported the incident and gave the names. They were very apologetic; I did ask they call our leasing office to confirm the fact they have been told to stay off the property. I was told they would get in touch with the stake? in question and let them know of the incident.
The woman I spoke to was like speaking to a grandmother, quite chummy and pleasant. I told her if she would come out I'd talk to her. But they need to spank these kids.


Well done Sir!

She will come and see you too. Probably bring some tasty goodies. Be sure to ask about the canneries and food prep. If she's worth her salt she can break it down like a cardboard box. Seriously, these ladies do not mess around when it comes to they're food stores.

Have her come on a Monday evening. Have a light dinner and desert (no coffee, but help yourself). Then you can have family home evening. This is where you have family time, nothing with a screen, play games, music, read aloud. It's quite interesting. Very peaceful and one of the things I loved when visiting relatives.
 
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