ENVR Wait. What? Ash falling from the sky near me. Reports to stay inside!
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amazon
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I'm a Native West Virginian, a little further south. I have a really hard time believing that could be pollen in February in Northern WV. I hope someone is having it tested. Who knows what is in the upper levels of the atmosphere waiting to come down? I wish they would stop trying to lie and avoid being blamed and start actually trying to figure out what's going on.
It could have nothing to do with Palestine, OH. IDK. I have a hard time believing it's dust either. WV has gotten a lot of rain. It is not dry.
It could have nothing to do with Palestine, OH. IDK. I have a hard time believing it's dust either. WV has gotten a lot of rain. It is not dry.
bev
Has No Life - Lives on TB
Are they burning sugar cane fields down there? We lived in Louisiana for a while and noticed this when they were burning.
Border Collie Dad
Flat Earther
I'm 75 miles due east of East Palestine.
No ash so far.
Who knows about invisible stuff
No ash so far.
Who knows about invisible stuff
phloydius
Veteran Member
Mike Ault
@OracleGuruMike
Replying to @gatewaypundit
Until a chemical analysis is done we wont know what it is. For NASA to say it is just dust from a dust storm is pathetic. I have been in a dust storm, it looks nothing like that and doesn't feel like ash, it feels like fine grit. Dust smells like dirt, not chlorine or burning.
@OracleGuruMike
Replying to @gatewaypundit
Until a chemical analysis is done we wont know what it is. For NASA to say it is just dust from a dust storm is pathetic. I have been in a dust storm, it looks nothing like that and doesn't feel like ash, it feels like fine grit. Dust smells like dirt, not chlorine or burning.
sssarawolf
Has No Life - Lives on TB
I'd guess it is ash from the idiots that blew the tankers in Ohio.
TxGal
Day by day
That's my guess, too. When we get pollen, especially cedar pollen, it's always a yellowish color. When we get dust, it's a tannish color.
Tweakette
Irrelevant
If I were in the area I'd take a sample of it and test it. Yes private testing isn't cheap but that way you know what it is.
I'm seeing people all over the internet with their hair on fire about this but if they'd just get together and chip in 5 bucks each a whole panel of tests could be run on this stuff.
For home testing some simple litmus paper would give at least you a hint. Put the dust in a small glass vial of distilled water (test the PH of the water first) .
See if it dissolves or sinks in the water. That's your first hint as to what it is.
Then test the PH of it - a decent shift to either more acidic or more basic will be the next hint.
The rest will need a lab.
VOC testing is roughly 200 bucks for a GC/mass spec 63 item panel, for instance.
I had an online "incident" with a family member last night who is utterly flipping out about the Cinci water supply post East Palestine. He doesn't trust any of the govt stooges or the water company but also refuses to do any private testing even though he can well afford it.
I don't blame people for not trusting the govt but FFS why not do it yourself if you have the means? I don't understand people who just want get themselves all spun up stroking their doom boner instead of taking matters into their own hands (no pun intended LOL ) if they have the means.
The ONLY way you know what it is is to test it or have the govt test it. And if you don't trust the gov't, you have to do it for yourself. And if you can't afford it, do a GoFundMe, I'm sure there are many others out there wanting to know what it is too.
Tweak, married to a retired chemist.
I'm seeing people all over the internet with their hair on fire about this but if they'd just get together and chip in 5 bucks each a whole panel of tests could be run on this stuff.
For home testing some simple litmus paper would give at least you a hint. Put the dust in a small glass vial of distilled water (test the PH of the water first) .
See if it dissolves or sinks in the water. That's your first hint as to what it is.
Then test the PH of it - a decent shift to either more acidic or more basic will be the next hint.
The rest will need a lab.
VOC testing is roughly 200 bucks for a GC/mass spec 63 item panel, for instance.
I had an online "incident" with a family member last night who is utterly flipping out about the Cinci water supply post East Palestine. He doesn't trust any of the govt stooges or the water company but also refuses to do any private testing even though he can well afford it.
I don't blame people for not trusting the govt but FFS why not do it yourself if you have the means? I don't understand people who just want get themselves all spun up stroking their doom boner instead of taking matters into their own hands (no pun intended LOL ) if they have the means.
The ONLY way you know what it is is to test it or have the govt test it. And if you don't trust the gov't, you have to do it for yourself. And if you can't afford it, do a GoFundMe, I'm sure there are many others out there wanting to know what it is too.
Tweak, married to a retired chemist.
ShadowMan
Designated Grumpy Old Fart
Five toxic chemicals have been identified around the derailment site:
what are the PH of: vinyl chloride, butyl acrylate and isobutylene.
Vinyl chloride, also known as chloroethene, has a slightly acidic pH due to the presence of a chlorine atom, which can partially dissociate in water to form H+ ions. The pH of a typical solution of vinyl chloride in water is around 4.5 to 5.5.
Butyl acrylate, on the other hand, has a slightly basic pH due to the presence of an ester group, which can partially dissociate in water to form OH- ions. The pH of a typical solution of butyl acrylate in water is around 7.5 to 8.5.
Isobutylene, also known as 2-methylpropene, is a non-polar gas that does not dissolve readily in water and therefore does not have a pH value. However, if it comes into contact with water, it can react to form an acidic solution due to the formation of isobutyric acid. The pH of the resulting solution will depend on the concentration of the acid and the amount of water present.
Now what these chemicals can combine into and how they are affected by fire....you'll have to ask a chemist.
- Vinyl chloride: A known carcinogen, vinyl chloride is a colorless and flammable gas that is used to produce polyvinyl chloride (PVC) plastic for packaging materials and a range of electronic, medical and construction products. Symptoms of exposure include drowsiness, disorientation, numbness and tingling of the extremities and nausea, according to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. The chemical can also irritate the eyes and skin.
- Butyl acrylate: A colorless liquid with a strong, fruity odor that is often used to produce various plastics, polymers, coatings and resins. Exposure to the chemical can cause irritation to the eyes and skin, rashes and breathing difficulties, according to the CDC.
- Isobutylene: A colorless gas that is used to produce plastics, packaging materials and resins. Exposure can cause symptoms such as dizziness and headache, but a cargo manifest provided to the Environmental Protection Agency indicates that Norfolk Southern, the company that operated the train, saw “no signs of breach” with the car carrying this chemical.
- Ethylene glycol and ethylhexyl acrylate: Ethylhexyl acrylate is a colorless liquid that is commonly used to produce plastics and polymers. Ethylene glycol is a synthetic compound used in inks, paint, hydraulic brake fluids and antifreeze. Both can both cause irritation of the skin and eyes, as well as sore throat and nausea with exposure at high concentrations.
what are the PH of: vinyl chloride, butyl acrylate and isobutylene.
Vinyl chloride, also known as chloroethene, has a slightly acidic pH due to the presence of a chlorine atom, which can partially dissociate in water to form H+ ions. The pH of a typical solution of vinyl chloride in water is around 4.5 to 5.5.
Butyl acrylate, on the other hand, has a slightly basic pH due to the presence of an ester group, which can partially dissociate in water to form OH- ions. The pH of a typical solution of butyl acrylate in water is around 7.5 to 8.5.
Isobutylene, also known as 2-methylpropene, is a non-polar gas that does not dissolve readily in water and therefore does not have a pH value. However, if it comes into contact with water, it can react to form an acidic solution due to the formation of isobutyric acid. The pH of the resulting solution will depend on the concentration of the acid and the amount of water present.
Now what these chemicals can combine into and how they are affected by fire....you'll have to ask a chemist.
phloydius
Veteran Member
[Bolding, Mine].
West Virginia department of environmental protection
dep.wv.gov
WVDEP coordinating with state and local agencies to investigate dust issue in the Eastern Panhandle
2/24/2023
CHARLESTON, W.Va. -- The West Virginia Department of Environmental Protection (WVDEP) is working with state and local agencies to investigate large amounts of dust across multiple counties in West Virginia's Eastern Panhandle.
The WVDEP received reports late Thursday night about the dust and mobilized inspectors to the area to collect samples and identify potential sources. No obvious sources have been identified at this time.
No shelter in place advisories have been issued for this area.
"We have staff on site who are coordinating with our state and local partners to identify the material and any potential causes," said WVDEP Division of Air Quality Director Laura Crowder.
The WVDEP is working with the Berkeley County Office of Emergency Services and the state Department of Agriculture to collect additional samples and have them analyzed.
Samples will also be taken to the West Virginia Geological and Economic Survey in Morgantown to determine if the cause of the dust is related to recent dust storms in the Midwest.
The West Virginia Department of Agriculture, West Virginia Division of Emergency Management Division (WVEMD) and the Berkeley County Sheriff’s Office are also investigating the situation.
For more WVDEP news and information, go to WV Department of Environmental Protection. Also, connect with the agency on all social media platforms. Follow @DEPWV on Twitter, Like us on Facebook at WV Department of Environmental Protection, and find us on YouTube at Environment Matters.
Contact:
Terry Fletcher
304-926-0499 ext. 49720
Terry.A.Fletcher@wv.gov
West Virginia department of environmental protection
Updated: WVDEP coordinating with state and local agencies to investigate dust issue in the Eastern Panhandle
The West Virginia Department of Environmental Protection (WVDEP) enforces state and federal environmental laws in West Virginia to help protect our air, water, and land.
dep.wv.gov
WVDEP coordinating with state and local agencies to investigate dust issue in the Eastern Panhandle
2/24/2023
CHARLESTON, W.Va. -- The West Virginia Department of Environmental Protection (WVDEP) is working with state and local agencies to investigate large amounts of dust across multiple counties in West Virginia's Eastern Panhandle.
The WVDEP received reports late Thursday night about the dust and mobilized inspectors to the area to collect samples and identify potential sources. No obvious sources have been identified at this time.
No shelter in place advisories have been issued for this area.
"We have staff on site who are coordinating with our state and local partners to identify the material and any potential causes," said WVDEP Division of Air Quality Director Laura Crowder.
The WVDEP is working with the Berkeley County Office of Emergency Services and the state Department of Agriculture to collect additional samples and have them analyzed.
Samples will also be taken to the West Virginia Geological and Economic Survey in Morgantown to determine if the cause of the dust is related to recent dust storms in the Midwest.
The West Virginia Department of Agriculture, West Virginia Division of Emergency Management Division (WVEMD) and the Berkeley County Sheriff’s Office are also investigating the situation.
For more WVDEP news and information, go to WV Department of Environmental Protection. Also, connect with the agency on all social media platforms. Follow @DEPWV on Twitter, Like us on Facebook at WV Department of Environmental Protection, and find us on YouTube at Environment Matters.
Contact:
Terry Fletcher
304-926-0499 ext. 49720
Terry.A.Fletcher@wv.gov
phloydius
Veteran Member
As far as I can tell those reports were from the very start, and seem to be more of people repeating the same first hand claim instead of multiple first hand reports. Not sure not the veracity of those claims, however.