Very Dangerous Flu Epidemic Underway in China

Martin

Deceased
Very Dangerous Flu Epidemic Underway in China
: http://www.recombinomics.com/News/07260502/H5N1_CFR_82_Sichuan.html

While some folks have been agonizing over Karl Rove,yadda-yadda-yadda , a few OTHER things have been going on in the world.This is one: Suspected Avian Flu approaching the pandemic level.

http://www.recombinomics.com/News/07260502/H5N1_CFR_82_Sichuan.html

Then there is this: China shutting down one of its labs because it warned the population (or tried to)about an ongoing epidemic-which China has now classified as a military secret.

http://www.recombinomics.com/News/07260501/H5N1_Lab_Closed.html

The World Health Organization (WHO)has been dithering and dallying,while it tries to figure out who will get the lucrative vaccine contracts (in exchange for how much in "gratuities" to UN officials); but here in the USA-which a few of our posters consistently revile,at least one major university hospital has been running its own crash program,in hopes of developing a workable vaccine on time.

One of the problems our own virologists are facing is the fact China (which is a signatory to all kinds of health agreements) has been holding back on information and samples-and-according to one source may even be experimenting with a combination of flu and ebola as a bioweapon, by testing it on its own people.

Should a flu pandemic develop (even without added ingredients) the projected number of deaths is ONE BILLION

http://www.phxnews.com/fullstory.php?article=23613
 

Claudia

I Don't Give a Rat's Ass...I'm Outta Here!
Martin - I'm following this on several forums. This is the only place where I've seen a post like yours fail to get a more informed response. This is important, really important, and it's past time for people to sit up and pay attention.
 

Bill P

Inactive
Continued thanks to you Martin and others keeping watch on this critical issue. from foolowing your links I came across the following:



The Politics of Pandemic: Is the Bird Flu Already Spreading in Asia?
Independent assessments are imperative, experts say

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By Cindy Drukier & Jan Jekielek
The Epoch Times Thailand Staff
Jul 27, 2005


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ZIYANG, CHINA - July 26: A patient suffering from a mysterious disease is moved to an isolation ward at the Ziyang First People's Hospital in Sichuan Province, southwest China. While official reports cite a swine bacterium as the probable cause, circumstantial evidence and lack of independent confirmation cast doubt on the verdict. (China Photos/Getty Images)
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Over the past four weeks, an unidentified disease has killed at least 24 people and made at least 117 others ill in China’s Sichuan province, state-controlled media has reported.
Sichuan health officials say neither H5N1, the bird flu viral variant that is thought might cause a coming pandemic, nor Severe Acute Respiratory Syndrome (SARS), is causing the deaths. They say a pig pathogen, a bacterium called Streptococcus suis, is responsible for the infections that have been reported in 75 villages and 40 townships, some in close proximity to large city centres.

However, conflicting assessments from experts have cast doubt on this claim, and have highlighted the need for transparency in China’s disease monitoring system.

Both Promedmail.org and Recombinomics.com, websites that closely track infectious diseases, suggest that a swine bacterium is an unlikely cause. According to them, the reported symptoms, the widespread geography of those affected, the speed at which the disease has spread, and the past sporadic (as opposed to “outbreak”) incidence of Streptococcus suis, all point the finger another, more likely viral, cause.

The moderators of Promedmail.org, hosted by the International Society for Infectious Diseases, state the disease as described by Chinese officials does not appear to resemble bird flu.

However, affirming the true nature of the disease is difficult because the Chinese authorities have not yet allowed any independent analysis of the Sichuan pathogen.

“The situation in Sichuan is difficult to analyze because of a lack of information,” says Dr. Henry Niman, founder and president of Recombinomics, Inc., the predictive viral change research centre that runs the Recombinomics.com web site.

This lack of information has some pondering the worst. Unconfirmed reports from China on Boxun.com (“Abundant News” in English) describe symptoms with remarkable similarities to some of those associated with the 1918 flu pandemic. Posts on the website have also suggested the disease could be strain of Ebola. According to Niman, a strain of Ebola has been shown to have exchanged genetic material with H5N1. It is possible, however unlikely, that a new strain of either disease could emerge.

Boxun doesn’t claim to have definitive information, but is calling for further investigation.

Experience shows such investigation is necessary. The Chinese government’s cover up of SARS in 2002 allowed the disease to rage out of control. SARS went on to kill 800 worldwide and made 8,000 others sick. News of SARS only came to light when first-hand accounts appeared on Boxun and the Epoch Times Chinese web site.

Experts are pushing for independent isolation and identification of the Sichuan pathogen, but so far have not been allowed either.

The same closed door has been encountered in investigating recent instances of H5N1 in wild bird populations at Qinghai Lake Nature Reserve, west of Sichuan, as well as in nearby Xinjiang.

Neither the raw data nor the samples required to do a credible genetic assessment have been made available.

"As far as I know, the [Chinese] Ministry of Agriculture has not sent any samples to any international reference labs or any WHO collaborating centers," Roy Wadia, WHO spokesman in Beijing, was quoted in UK Telegraph Group on Monday. WHO investigators have also been denied access to the Xinjiang site altogether.

Other reports suggest there could be more going on. WHO researchers in June, on their only permitted visit to the Qinghai Reserve where Chinese state media had acknowledged the death of 1000 migratory birds, found 5000 dead birds. The casualties were continuing at 20 per day.

Shortly after, Boxun.com reported 121 human deaths in nearby Gangca County, as well as a corresponding military quarantine. The claim was denied by Chinese state media. Few further details emerged on Boxun, save for a June 5 brief that the reporters who published the earlier news had been arrested.

Dr. Yi Guan, a H5N1 researcher at Hong Kong University, analyzed genetic samples from avian flu-stricken birds and published his findings in Nature on May 25. He and his American and Chinese colleagues described strong similarities between the viral genes found in wild birds in western China, and the H5N1 in affected poultry farms found earlier in southern China. They also discovered that the Qinghai geese contained "virulence genes" that had a 100 percent mortality rates in both chickens and mice.

The study further concluded that there was a “…danger that H5N1 might be carried along the birds' winter migration routes to densely populated areas in the south Asia subcontinent, a region that seems free of this virus, and spread along migratory flyways linked to Europe.”

A day after the article was published, director general of the Chinese Ministry of Agriculture's Veterinary Bureau, Jia Youling, criticised the findings and denied the existence of any bird flu outbreak in southern China. Four days later, the Joint Influenza Research Center, where Yi conducted the bird flu study, was ordered to immediately cease H5N1 research. PRC state-controlled media reported that this was because the lab lacked “the basic conditions for biological safety,” a claim denied by the centre.

Currently, WHO places the risk assessment of a worldwide avian flu pandemic at three on a scale of six, indicating that human infections have occurred. Since the UN body must wait for official corroboration before any incident can be acknowledged, this rating could well be conservative.

Dr. Niman says the WHO might also be wary of prematurely declaring a global pandemic after its experience with SARS.
"SARS... [had] the potential to become a raging pandemic, but did not do so in 2003. Consequently there is concern about over-reacting as well as the difficulty of predicting precisely when a virus such as H5N1 will achieve efficient human-to-human transmission."

Niman has analyzed an apparent pattern of new outbreaks, which in his view are radiating outwards from Qinghai Reserve, in theory a result of bird migration. Within the range of the Qinghai birds are the other China H5N1 outbreak sites, as well as a location in Mongolia where 400 sheep reportedly died of a mystery illness in early June. If the culprit there was bird flu, then the array of H5N1 animal hosts now includes domestic and wild birds, pigs and sheep.
Also within range is Novosibirsk, Russia, with over 1000 bird flu deaths in domestic fowl reported on July 26, and Jakarta, Indonesia, where three human family members died in quick succession due to H5N1 infection earlier this month. Bird flu has also resurfaced on a poultry farm near Tokyo, Japan, media reported in late June.

All this raises the question of whether the bird flu might already have turned pandemic in Asia.

On July 22, the WHO issued yet another warning that the coming avian influenza pandemic may be imminent. According to WHO figures, there have been 109 confirmed human cases of bird flu in Vietnam, Thailand, Cambodia and Indonesia resulting in 55 deaths.

With a lack of confirmed sources or verifiable scientific data from China, which is arguably the most significant and certainly the most disputed locality for H5N1 outbreak and mutation, outsiders can only guess.

http://www.theepochtimes.com/news/5-7-27/30655.html
 

Martin

Deceased
Kim, the other main poster, and I have been wondering if we should keep the avian flu update page going. Kims concern was that very few people respond to it. I kind of look at it as a good information thread even though most of the info is out there on other forms. Plus it is all on one thread :D
 

JPD

Inactive
Kim, the other main poster, and I have been wondering if we should keep the avian flu update page going. Kims concern was that very few people respond to it. I kind of look at it as a good information thread even though most of the info is out there on other forms. Plus it is all on one thread

Yes, this is vital information!
 

closet squirrel

Veteran Member
Just because people dont respond, doesnt mean they arent reading and absorbing.

I know with myself, I am extrememly interested in this, but just dont know what to say about it, its too confusing ans scary

keep up the good work
 

doctor_fungcool

TB Fanatic
Martin, if you would please list the symptoms of this 'new' flu. Here are the symptoms of the Spanish Flu of 1918


1918 Flu Hemmorhagic Symptoms Similar To Ebola
From Patricia Doyle, PhD
March 18, 2005

<http://www.journals.uchicago.edu/CID/journal/issues/v31n6/000949/000949.text.html>



The course of disease during fall 1918 was often swift. Convalescence in survivors was protracted, with fatigue, weakness, and depression frequently lasting for weeks [3, 2023]. Symptoms presented suddenly: high-grade fever and rigors, severe headache and myalgias, cough, pharyngitis, coryza, and in some cases epistaxis. Some patients had mild illness and recuperated without incident. Other patients were stricken quickly and severely, with symptoms and signs consistent with HEMORRHAGIC pneumonia, and died within days and sometimes hours. Autopsies revealed inflamed hemorrhagic lungs. Still other patients with more typical flu developed severe superinfection with bacterial pneumonia, resulting in death or a laborious recovery. Unusually lethal, Spanish flu was also distinct in killing what was typically the cohort least vulnerable to influenza, 20- to 40-year-olds.

The disease's incidence, severity, and pattern of spread baffled laypeople and experts alike [3, 4, 20, 21]. Doctors debated possible pathogens, with no final consensus: Pfeiffer's bacillus (presumed cause of influenza since the 18891990 pandemic but rarely isolated from 1918 victims);

plague outbreaks in 19101917); Streptococcus species, Streptococcus pneumoniae, and Staphylococcus species (cultured from specimens from patients with Spanish flu); and a hypothesized "filtrable virus" (based on experiments that produced an infectious filtrate after removing known microorganisms) were all suggested as possible etiologies.

Popular explanations included the foul atmosphere conjured by the war's rotting corpses, mustard gas, and explosions; a covert German biological weapon; spiritual malaise due to the sins of war and materialism; and conditions fostered by the European conflict and overall impoverishment.


During the fall, the disease moved swiftly through US cities. Acute absenteeism among critical personnel strained industrial production, government services (e.g., sanitation, law enforcement, fire fighting, postal delivery), and maintenance of basic infrastructure (e.g., transportation, communications, health care, food supply) [3, 22, 24]. Given the incomplete disease reporting, inaccurate diagnoses, and circumscribed census practices of the day, morbidity and mortality figures are conservative estimates [3, 19].

Twenty-eight percent of Americans became ill, and there were 550,000 deaths in excess of what is normally expected during influenza season [3]. The case-fatality rate associated with Spanish flu has been estimated at 2.5% [20], but this rate more likely represents the experience of the developed world. Africa and Asia had fall death rates an order of magnitude higher than those of Europe and North America (e.g., India, 42006700 deaths per 100,000 population; England, 490 deaths per 100,000 population) [19].
Also:
<http://www.uwosh.edu/departments/biology/1918FLUSHORS/Spanishflu.html>
Vaccine and Supply 1918 Project The Flu Family Flu Facts There is Evidence that
the Spanish Flu Did have Hemorrhagic Symptoms 1918 Influenza Video Resources PBS ...
www.uwosh.edu/departments/ biology/1918FLUSHORS/Spanishflu.html - 10k - Cached - Similar pages
and
<http://www.whale.to/v/spanish.html>
There is evidence that the Spanish Flu did have hemorrhagic symptoms. Vickie Menear, MD and homeopath, was doing some research on Flu for her class at Hahnemann Homeopathic College, Albany, California, when she ran into a great deal of literature that supports this possibility. I called her and she said that if you had questions, she'd be happy too answer them. Again, Email me and I'll give you her phone number. In the meantime, let me quote some of her source material. If you are interested in following up this new "lead" on the Spanish Flu epidemic, this is a good place to start. Here are the references:


1. THE PLAGUE OF THE SPANISH LADY: The Influenza Pandemic of 1918-1919 by Richard Collier, Atheneum Publishing, New York, 1974
Page 8: "If there was anyone at Devens (the Army base) who could be depended upon as a pillar of strength, it was this safe of Johns Hopkins. But when he saw the wet lungs of influenza pneumonia in the fall of 1918, the pillar trembled. "This must be some new kind of infection...or plague."

Dr. Menear has a list of other books and articles supporting the hemorrhagic symptoms of the Spanish Flu. Should you want the list published here, on OUTBREAK, I'll be happy to call her and get it sent to you. She also has information on Crotalus Horridus being utilized as a remedy during the pandemic.
I can only note that the symptoms of the 1918 "influenza" and the Ebola of 1995, have marked similarities .

My percentages of homeopathic remedies used versus traditional medicine (drugs) during 1918 influenza come from an article that appeared in Homeopathy Today, January, 1990. It was the following and I'll quote:
"Dean W.A. Pearson of Philadelphia (Hahnemann College) collected 26,795 cases of (1918) influenza treated by homeopathic physicians with a mortality rate of 1.05 percent while the average old school (traditional medicine/drugs) mortality was 30 percent."
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The info below from an anonymous poster

I want to be sure that people know my theory that a H5N1 pandemic strain sustaining human-to-human transmission might cause hemorrhagic symptoms in some has grounding in good science. Case history background of previous virulent pandemic strains can give us some insight into how a future pandemic strain might act, however, scientific data is also imperative to uphold my theory of hemorrhagic symptoms in an avian influenza human outbreak.
This resource does back up the history of hemorrhagic symptoms in the 1918 flu and also explains the mechanism for such symptoms.
It is not my intent to scare people about a possible coming outbreak. I simply look at all of the data on the subject and make personal judgement on what may or may not occur in the future should the virus become pandemic. It is my belief that people should have as much information as possible which would enable them to plan ahead. I think that there would be much more "fear" if people woke up and found themselves in the middle of an outbreak. If people have advance warning they will be better prepared to act. People who are aware of possibilities can spend time researching the data and arriving at their own conclusions.
Just as the cytokine reaction in SARS did cause hemorrhagic symptoms in some cases, virulent pandemic strains of influenza, like the Spanish Flu also cause the inflammatory cytokines in the lungs and the hemorrhagic pneumonia.
"These viruses were also more pathogenic, not simply because they were associated with increased levels of in vivo replication but also because they stimulated massive increases in the responses of inflammatory cytokines in the lungs of infected mice. The mice infected with HAsp-containing virus had increased recruitment of leukocytes to the sites of lung infection and had severe hemorrhage resembling the hemorrhagic pneumonia associated with human infections during the 1918?C1919 pandemic. "
Hope the information helps,

(Martin.............here is an emerging diseases message board that you may find useful.........................

Please visit the "Emerging Diseases" message board at:

http://www.clickitnews.com/ubbthreads/postlist.php?Cat=&Board=emergingdiseases
Zhan le Devlesa tai sastimasa, Go with God and in Good Health

NOTE: The above message board keeps track of emerging viruses, and biological threats...........please bookmark this thread.



http://www.blackherbals.com/1918_flu_hemmorhagic_symptoms_si.htm


My advice would be do as much research as you can on this topic................then prepare with the proper masks and attire.............This flu will probably hit us sometime in the late fall or winter................but..............who knows
when?
 
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Martin said:
Kim, the other main poster, and I have been wondering if we should keep the avian flu update page going. Kims concern was that very few people respond to it. I kind of look at it as a good information thread even though most of the info is out there on other forms. Plus it is all on one thread :D


Martin;

I do hope that you will not mind me including an Odd article on H5N1. FWIW> I am also getting it, that the bug is beginning it's winding up into a MAJOR Pandemic in China.

(I know we both look at some of the same news sites). But then both of us have some different sourses of information to draw upon as well.

H5N1 is the ENEMY of all humanity; unlike a human political/religious/ethnic conflict.

Avian Flu, cannot be compromised with. It has no reasoning powers. And in it's own microscopic way, it is indeed a Jaggernaunt....

I will not resume a nightly thread for this bug; or for political/military conflicts.

I no longer have the time; nor health endurance to keep up an seemingly (to me) unending regeme of hours (each and every day/night) of copying and pasting event indicator articles (and, like you and Kimer - I too! Was made dispondant by the hit count numbers; and seemingly lack of interest from others, to even bump the thread back up to the top.

I *know* as you do. That the medium of exchange for a hard news hunter (for I have for years considered you one of the best of the hard news hunters). Is through hit numbers - and the bumping back to the top of one's efforts.

LOL. I must have thought you one of the best! Because some years back, I was shamelessly copying and pasted some of your finds, (which you posted only to your board) I had found to be *event indicators*.

I close by saying, if you, Kimer (and those who wish it here) do not mind. I'll resume, in part, posting those *linking* news articles I find - but some of them may well be posted by you, Kimer, (or another news hunter). For I am not after a single article, but groups of articles - articles which tell a story....
 

F.Drew

Membership Revoked
Keep up the great job - your searching and posting is appreciated, as it keeps us informed on how close it's getting.

Certainly sounds like this should be on more than just the CDC/WHO radar - more like national concern level, with billions being invested to protect Americans.... hopefully someone in DC is paying attention.
 

outnumbered10

Sleep? What is that?
Hi guys...

Please keep the info flowing. I often read but cannot respond because I have a baby on my lap, like now- typing with one hand.

F. Drew- you're right but it won't happen- at least not as a warning/alert- because
TPTB don't know how to protect the world from this- meaning: they cannot possibly protect *everyone* and if they cannot do that, there will be panic.
Panic is one disorder they truly don't want- it won't make the problem go away and there are few fixes for it.

No, I am afraid the average :sheep: will not hear much in advance unless they visit forums like this. I have tried to talk to people about it around here and they just change the subject because they are uncomfortable-

We in this generation do not know our own history so we seem to think ignorance is bliss. Because the vast majority of people have never seen something like the Spanish Flu of 1918, it's just something from a history book.

People think technology will save us. Most of my in-laws think there's a drug to fix anything. The more drugs the better...they will be first in line for the chip and anything else the govt wants to shove at them, and the first to turn me and my family in for not being sheeple.

ON10 :shk:
 

Martin

Deceased
Shakey

Your input is greatly appreciated as is everyone else. I have been down that road on the responses before and it really doesn't bother me. I just look at the view column to see the action for that particular thread.
 

Sharon

Inactive
As everyone else is stating, appreciate you! Please keep us informed! And thanks for the work and effort you've put forth!
 

snowmiser

Veteran Member
Martin, Kim, Sue, Shakey, AZ Grammy, Pixmo, et. al. - please do continue your efforts with my sincere appreciation and thanks. i'm confident what you're doing is helping to educate people and foster critical thinking skills regarding preparation. i do not feel the need to apologize for not replying with an informed response, and thanks to posters like you (and others regarding other topics - i hate to start a list for fear of leaving so many out) i AM sitting up and i AM paying attention. i'm confident many others are as well despite the lack of replies.

outnumbered10 said:
We in this generation do not know our own history so we seem to think ignorance is bliss. Because the vast majority of people have never seen something like the Spanish Flu of 1918, it's just something from a history book.

People think technology will save us. Most of my in-laws think there's a drug to fix anything. The more drugs the better...they will be first in line for the chip and anything else the govt wants to shove at them, and the first to turn me and my family in for not being sheeple.
exactly what i was thinking before i got to your post. people who have never lived through something like this or heard about living through it from someone close to them cannot comprehend the significance of this topic. they can't begin to process what it could mean for their way of life because they've been raised in a time of peace (relatively speaking), prosperity (for most, and again relatively speaking) and perceived safety.

so when you dump this in their lap they're either going to laugh at you, marginalize you, run away from you or tell people you're a kook to make themselves feel better. i have frequent conversations with my peers in which i try to gently raise topics such as this one and others that affect America directly right here and now, and their responses are ALWAYS colored by their belief that we are invincible, a belief that when questioned they wouldn't even be able to articulate.


EDIT:
(adding to my list above Maher, Doc F, JohnGalt.... see, i told you'd i'd forget some! :D )
 

Delta

Has No Life - Lives on TB
I repeat what Closet Squirrel said: the lack of a response doesn't mean we aren't reading and appreciating!!!
 

HangingDog

Veteran Member
I find this site extremely informative.

Does anyone here have SWAGs or better for the infection rate for a city with apartment buildings, projects, heavy commutes etc (like ATL, HOU, DFW, NYC) and also for small towns that have no apartment buildings to speak of.

I am interested in how many people got sick in 1918-1919 out of the entire population. I believe would vary based on pop density.

The ests of 50 million dead are grossly exagerated as there were well less than 2 billion people on the planet in 1918-1919.

1850 Earth attained the 1 billion people mark
1925 attained the 2 billion mark

If the 1918 bug killed 2.5% of those infected then for 50 mil to be accurate everyone on the planet would have had to get sick.
 

HangingDog

Veteran Member
Ladies and Gents

FWIW - Saturday July 30th is the 23rd of Jumada on the islamic calendar AND therefore the 4th anniversary of the 9/11

Saturday the 30th starts around 4pm on the 29th EDT in Islamabad.

Sorry if I stray too far off topic - Adult ADD
 

momm

Deceased
I just want to say please keep the information coming. Even though I don't respond very much, I do read all of them. Thanks for taking the time to keep all of us informed.
 

jazzy

Advocate Discernment
i too, dont respond, but i read everything. i dont bother to post because i dont feel like i have anything to add. but i DO read it all. and i am greatful for the all the effort put into this.


jazzy
 

Seabird

Veteran Member
Me, too, Martin. I read every word of every article. I have three Child Care Centers with over 600 children and 42 staff, and this is pertinent information to us. It will be places like mine that will be the frontlines if this scenario plays out, and having-a-clue ahead of the curve will only empower us. All of us.

Thank you. Guess it's not said enough. (Glad you asked. ;) )

Seabird
 

gdpetti

Inactive
Best explanation I've read on it and the Chinese reaction is the 'Rumor' that it's their HIV...biological warfare testing ongoing...coicidental that all those top bio scientists are showing up dead in the last couple of years for one reason or another....conspiracy or just more usage of the general populace as readily available test subjects...they never know what hit them....and never will.

Something tells me the Chinese aren't too concerned about the impact on tourism in the region....maybe a little 'thinning' of the masses? Where there's a will, there's a way.

Maybe this is their attempt to create a pharmo industry....first you need a great demand for a service or cure...then you have the excuse to find a 'cure'....sounds like America? How many poisons does it take before the people cry out for a cure? Isn't the cure usually packaged with the disease? Like warfare of any kind....first you create the enemy, so everyone can be manipulated into crying out for a cure...and who better to find one than those already in charge?....a cure for bad poll numbers, ratings or a reluctant public....the people just need a little push is what they call it in marketing....and doesn't that describe the world today?

How many of these biomade weapons of choice will it take before open warfare begins?...as in the old fashion type...not this new type?
 

Garryowen

Deceased
I'm very appreciative of these informative threads, but seldom
post a reply, as I have no further information to add.

thanks,

Garryowen
 

OldMan

Candy’s dandy, but a back rub is quicker.
In the spirit of TB2K, just to jump-start discussion here:

What would be the best way to prepare for an outbreak of this flu?

What would be a likely duration of an outbreak (i.e. for how long would a family need to take precautions)?

Do we know the mode of transmission? Is it bird to human, human to human, other animal to human? Is it spread by contact, breathing, sneezing, farting?

disposable face masks? Are N95 masks sufficient? Would just a few of these masks per person be enough, or should they be used for one day then discarded?

Should we use bleach for disinfectant? What strength/dilution should be used to wipe down surfaces, disinfect laundry, etc? How many gallons of bleach would a family need?

Is an outbreak likely to cause shortages of food/fuel/electricity, cause stores/malls to close, force businesses to reduce staff or have employees work from home. Will banks/S&L/credit-unions restrict contact with their customers to the point where business is conducted through ATMs (deposits, withdrawals, etc), email and snail mail (loans, CDs, IRAs).

Would it be best to shop at WallyWorld at 2am in the morning to reduce the chance of exposure?...would everyone else shop at 2am also, increasing exposure?

Should we take down our birdfeeders and empty our birdbaths to avoid exposure to infected wild birds?

Are there any home remedies/herbs/treatments that are effective? Colloidial [sp?] silver? garlic (to keep people away from you)?

Would a full blown outbreak reduce police protection and increase crime (i.e. police sick, scared of contact with citizens, opportunistic criminals)?

etc, etc, etc, yadda, yadda, yadda.....
 

USDA

Veteran Member
What would be the best way to prepare for an outbreak of this flu?

Stay at home...don't go to work, school or appear at court etc...stay isolated during the outbreak and peak of the illness...only go out when deaths have drastically fallen in your area. And then avoid crowed areas, the sick, and wear a face mask.
surgical kind.

Any entity that causes cellular membranes to leak or rupture...or taxes the liver to such a point that the bloods clotting factors are used up causes hemorragic type symptoms. The best protection is not to contact it to begin with.

Forget about getting to the hospital and doctors...that might only kill you quicker.

Forget about the magic bullet...just stay isolated.
 

brizziechap

Contributing Member
China's pig disease toll rises

A mysterious pig-borne disease has spread to six more towns in south-west China, with the number of people killed rising to 27.

The Ministry of Health says the death toll is rising and the total number of people affected had increased to 131 by noon on Wednesday - three more deaths and 14 more cases than the day before.

Six more towns in Sichuan province reported cases on Wednesday, in addition to the two Sichuan cities Ziyang and Neijiang where the outbreak was first discovered last month.

The World Health Organisation has said it is baffled as the disease, which was caused by the streptococcus suis bacteria.

The organisation said it had never seen so many people stricken at one time before, raising fears it had become more virulent.

The Chinese Government is quoted by state media trying to reassure the public that it has got a grip on the epidemic.

"We have the technology and procedures to bring the disease under control," China Daily quoted a Ministry of Agriculture official as saying.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/newsitems/200507/s1425049.htm
 

JPD

Inactive
China bacteria outbreak worsens, dead pigs dug up

http://www.alertnet.org/thenews/newsdesk/PEK9397.htm

28 Jul 2005 08:52:56 GMT

Source: Reuters

BEIJING, July 28 (Reuters) - The number of people infected by what Chinese authorities believe is a pig-borne bacterial disease in the southwest has jumped by 14 to 131, state media said on Thursday as officials insisted the outbreak could be controlled.

The World Health Organisation (WHO) said it was watching developments closely, but a spokesman said the disease appeared to be localised and posed no threat internationally.

China's Ministry of Health said another three people had died from the infection, bringing the death toll in rural eastern Sichuan province to 27, the official Xinhua news agency said.

"We have the technology and procedures to bring the disease under control," the China Daily quoted an unidentified ministry official as saying on Wednesday.

The rise in the number of people reported infected did not necessarily mean the disease was spreading, the China Daily said, because 12 had contracted the bacteria days before but were only diagnosed on Wednesday.

Streptococcus suis, known in layman's terms as swine flu, is endemic in swine in most pig-rearing countries in the world but human infections are rare. Although China's state media has said no human-to-human infections have been found in Sichuan, the death toll is considered unusually high.

Swine flu is not known to have ever been passed between humans, but scientists fear it could mutate into a strain that could easily pass among people. Compounded with its deadliness, such a bug could unleash an epidemic, killing many people.

Victims were infected with the bacteria from slaughtering, handling or eating infected pigs, authorities have said.

"There is always a danger but this situation seems to be very localised," said WHO spokesman Robert Dietz in the Philippines. "This doesn't pose a real threat to international public health, like people in the neighbouring countries becoming ill."

"The fact that this is much larger than anything else we're aware of historically makes us wonder just why that is."

The unusually high mortality rate and reports that many of the victims died within 24 hours of showing symptoms have led some experts to wonder if it is indeed swine flu at all.

"It could be another disease altogther, it need not be streptococcus suis because the presentation is so atypical," said Samson Wong, a microbiology associate professor at the University of Hong Kong.

Provincial officials declined to comment, and one said they had been given instructions to only give out information on the outbreak through official news releases.

DIGGING UP DEAD PIGS

In one unconfirmed media report, the Chongqing Evening News said that police in nearby Jianyang city stopped meat dealer Chen Ping on July 21 when he cycled past with a sick pig and two dead ones on the back of his tricycle cart.

Chen was ordered to bury and disinfect the pigs he had just bought at a market, but the next day he returned to the burial site, dug out the carcasses and sold them at a market in another town for several times more than he had paid, the newspaper said.

Killing sick pigs to sell in markets or eat at home was common and farmers in affected areas had never been warned against the practice, the older brother of Chen Siyou, a man infected after slaughtering a pig, told the Chongqing Evening News.

"We've been doing this for years and no government official has ever come to talk to us about it," the elder Chen said.

The China Daily said China had vaccines against the bacteria and two factories resumed production recently. The vaccine had not been produced for years due to a lack of demand, it said.

The last time swine flu broke out in China in a significant way was in 1998, when 22 people were infected, Dietz said, adding that Chinese scientists were convinced they were now dealing with the same strain of bacteria.
 

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The Sky is Falling: An Analysis of the Swine Flu Affair of 1976

by Joel Warner



In 1976, due to an outbreak of influenza at Fort Dix, New Jersey, the United States set a precedent in immunology by attempting to vaccinate the entire population of the country against the possibility of a swine-type Influenza A epidemic. While a great many people were successfully immunized in a very short period of time, the National Influenza Immunization Program (NIIP) quickly became recognized as a failure, one reason being that the feared epidemic never surfaced at all. But this massive undertaking deserves more analysis than just a simple repudiation. For example, all evidence linked to the pathology, microbiology, and historical cycle of influenza and the outbreak at Fort Dix suggests that the reactions of the scientists and other personnel involved in the NIIP were correct. However, one must also acknowledge the many complications and misjudgments that plagued the program after its initiation, from biological difficulties, logistical problems, to tensions with the media. The swine flu is a historical event that needs to be evaluated, regarding both its successes and its failures, so that lessons can be learned for future immunization programs.

While influenza, or the "flu", is not commonly recognized as an extremely lethal disease, the pathology of influenza, and especially of the kind found at Fort Dix, does suggest that an immunization program was a reasonable course to take in 1976. In the public's mind, influenza is often not seen as a specific disease, using interchangeable names for it like "flu", "gripe", and "virus". (Silverstein: 1) However, influenza is very different from an everyday low fever or "stomach flu". It is a respiratory infection, connected with a fever, coughing, and muscle aches, which often lasts a few days in duration.

While the disease itself is usually harmless, it can lead to exposure of the lungs to viral or bacterial pneumonia, which can prove fatal, especially for the very young, elderly, or infirm. (Silverstein: 13) There are three types of influenza, depending on their activity: type A, which is usually the cause of outbreaks; type B, which is linked to sporadic cases, and type C, which rarely causes disease reactions. (Silverstein: 54) The virus which causes influenza enters the host through the respiratory tract, and binds itself to epithelial cells. The virus causes the cell to engulf it by endocytosis, and then fuses to the wall of the endocytic vesicle, injecting the contents of the virus into the cytosol of the cell. The RNA of the virus enter the nucleus of the cell, and spur the creation of new copies of the genes. These genes, as well as new viral proteins that are created in the cell, leave the cell as fresh viruses, budding off the plasma membrane of the cell.

While Scientists still do not know a great deal about the communicability of influenza, they do know that it can be spread by human-to-human contact, and has some airborne stability. (Silverstein: 59) Specifically, the characteristics of the influenza at Fort Dix was extremely discouraging. First of all, it was very similar to the 1918 swine influenza A pandemic, which turned out to be one of the most lethal outbreaks of disease in recorded history, and one victim had already died. Also, while usually this disease is caused by exposure to pigs, it was obvious that this was the first time since the earlier pandemic that it was being spread by people. (Silverstein: 23) While influenza is usually not deadly in itself, the scientists in 1976 were right to assume that the virus was a serious threat.

The biological similarity between the influenza at Fort Dix and the swine flu of 1918 was one of the biggest factors in determining the course of action to be taken at that point. The influenza virus is globular in shape, and is approximately 100 nanometers in diameter. The sheath of the virus is made up of a lipid bilayer, taken from the plasma membrane of the original host. Within the central core of this bilayer are located about 3000 matrix proteins (which differ depending on the type of the influenza), and 8 RNA genes. The surface membrane is spiked with protein molecules of two kinds: about 500 hemagglutinin ("H") and 100 neuraminidase ("N") molecules. Hemagglutinin molecules appear as pointed spikes, which are used to bind the virus to a cell and inject contents into it. Neuraminidase appear as blunt spikes, and possesses specialized enzymes which cause the infected cell to release the new viruses. (Silverstein: 50-52 and <u>Flu</u>) <p>

The influenza virus is relatively unique in its ability to change its H and N molecules, called antigenic shift. For example, the swine flu of 1918 was named H1N1, while a later strain of influenza which was found to have changed its hemagglutinin molecules was named H2N1, and an even later influenza was found to have changed both its surface molecules (double antigenic shift), and was named H2N2. Scientists believe that these changes are due to the recombination of influenza viruses from different sources, such as if an influenza from a swine was mixed with an influenza from a person, which could create an new strain that has swine-type hemagglutinin and human-type neuraminidase. (Silverstein: 55-56) Spot mutations on the viral RNA, or missence mutations, also occur and are thought to cause slight changes in the make-up of the influenza virus, or antigenic drift. (<u>Flu</u>) It has been observed that an antigenic shift usually occurs after a number of years, after the population has built up immunities to the old strain. It is common for a major outbreak to occur after a shift, and even more likely after a double shift, because the antibodies in the population are useless against these new forms of disease. Missence mutations usually cause smaller epidemics, since the change in the virus is not so great. It has also been found that older strains of influenza are likely to return to a population once the antibodies against them have mostly died out. (Silverstein: 55, 62 and Flu) What was particularly alarming about the influenza at Fort Dix was that not only was it a double antigenic shift, but it was a shift back to H1N1, the cause of the 1918 pandemic. (Silverstein: 55) The biological make-up of the swine flu was evidence enough to take precautions against a major outbreak.<p>

The influenza virus' shifts created a cycle of virility of the disease, one that also pointed to the possibilities of a major outbreak in 1976. Owing to its constant adaptation and re-emergence, there is much reason why influenza is called "The last great plague", since it is basically impossible to come up with a lasting solution to it. (Silverstein: 9) While influenza has been recorded since the 15th century, the number of years between major world outbreaks (or pandemics) has decreased in the last century, due to increased and faster intercontinental travel, which accelerates the build-up of immunity to a given influenza strain. (Silverstein: 11) It has been hypothesized that the cycle has now stratified into 11-year periods between major antigenic shift pandemics. Within these periods occur smaller epidemics (centralized outbreaks), linked to an antigenic drift. (Silverstein: 18-19) It is also suggested that the strains recycle themselves in about 50 years, long enough so that most of the original immunities have died out in a population. (Silverstein: 55) This model appears to function well, since there were exactly 11 years between the pandemics of 1946, 1957, and 1968, as well as the fact that the 1957 disease was similar to the 1889 disease, and the 1968 disease was similar to that of 1900. (Silverstein: 57) Using this model, the next year for a major pandemic would be fairly close to 1976, and the next strain up for recycling would likely be the swine flu of 1918.

Looking at the pathological, microbiological, as well as historical evidence surrounding the Fort Dix outbreak, it is not difficult to see why those in charge in 1976 decided that action had to be taken. It is also important to note, however, how they decided what action this was going to be. There are a few possibilities of drugs that can be taken to fight influenza. Examples of these are Amantadine, which blocks the shift of pH in the infected cell which triggers the release of the RNA into the cytosol; Zanamivir, which blocks the neuraminidase and inhibits the release of the viruses (though this drug was not even around in 1976); and antibiotics, which do not affect the flu, but can help against secondary bacterial infections. There are very few drugs that can be taken, however, because it is difficult to find a drug which affects the processes of the virus which does not also hurt the cell (Flu) Vaccines, which trigger the body's production of antibodies without actually causing the disease, are usually more productive then drugs. While antibodies created against the core proteins of the influenza virus do not create an ineffective immunity, the antibodies created against hemagglutinin are extremely potent, and block the penetration of cells by the virus. Also, neuraminidase antibodies help to lessen the release of viruses from cells and the disease's spread. (Silverstein: 52-54) Because of these reasons, the scientists in 1976 chose to create a vaccine against the swine flu. Another question surrounding the action to be taken involved whether to stockpile the vaccine after manufacturing it for the country, or immediately moving to immunization. It was decided to go ahead with immunization, because they had a good amount of time until the next flu season to organize the project, the threat of swine flu seemed real, and if they waited until influenza hit they would not have time to start the vaccinations before the disease set in. (Silverstein: 29-31) Another, though more personal reason for the decision to immunize was that it gave the scientists, like those at the Center for Disease Control (CDC) who were heading up the project, an opportunity to demonstrate to the public the value of immunizations. (Silverstein: 38)

To truly understand the National Influenza Immunization program, it is necessary to look at the operation itself. The preparation of the vaccine was similar to previous vaccine productions, except it was to a much larger scale - about 200 million doses. (Silverstein: 105) To create the vaccine, the scientists inject the appropriate strain of influenza (and possibly another strain to increase growth) into embryonated eggs, which create a culture for the viruses. The multiplied viruses are separated from the yolk and rendered noninfectious by formaldehyde. The potency of this vaccine is measured in the amount which the vaccine, using its hemagglutinin, clumps together blood cells (agglutination), and is recorded in terms of chick cell agglutination (CCA). Since the vaccine can be somewhat toxic, causing sore arms and fevers, it is important to find the right balance of efficacy (immune response) and safety for the vaccine, by either reducing the virus amount or using split-virus vaccine, which is made up of further purified viruses. (Silverstein: 61) After massive field tests, it was decided that 200 CCA units was very effective for most of the population (85% had at least 40 "units" of hemagglutinin antibody, the accepted amount), and caused few side effects. (Silverstein: 82) Once the appropriate vaccine was determined, four manufacturers went into production of the substance, and the vaccination procedures were organized. The high-risk groups for the disease (elderly and infirm) would be vaccinated first, in nursing homes and health departments. Then the rest of the population would be reached through the schools, factories, medical centers, and shopping centers. (Silverstein: 108) To speed up the process, jet guns would be used for the injections instead of syringes. (Silverstein: 80) Not only this, but an informed consent authorization would be required for all participants, so that the vaccination of every person, as well as track outbreaks of the flu, could be monitored. (Silverstein: 78) Despite all the planning, NIIP began three months late, and only vaccinated 24% of the population before the program was terminated. (Silverstein: 113) And while the feared swine flu pandemic failed to surface, this was just one example of the many complications which surrounded the program.

One major difficulty in the immunization program involved the fact that the biological results of the vaccine did not always go as planned. For example, while the organizers expected two doses of vaccine from each egg that was used for incubation, the eggs only yielded one dose, drastically setting back the timetable for production. (Silverstein: 79) Also, while the vaccine produced the desired hemagglutinin antibody, the neuraminidase antibody was not created. This was probably due to the inactivation of this protein in the virus in treatment or production. While this antibody was not as necessary as that of hemagglutinin, it was still important in stopping the spread of the disease. (Silverstein: 84) Not only this, but the field trials demonstrated that, while the vaccine worked well for adults, it did not work well in these doses for young adults and children. (Silverstein: 83) This problem was not fully resolved until the vaccinations had already begun, when it was decided that children ages 3-18 should get two doses of split virus vaccine, four weeks apart. Unfortunately, there were only 4 million doses of split-virus left for 57 million children. (Silverstein: 112) To make matters worse, while the swine flu influenza never surfaced, the original influenza of the time, Victoria, did appear this season. This disease could not be confronted, however, since all the vaccine for this strain had been mixed with the new vaccine, and by this point the president had called a moratorium of all influenza vaccinations. It was only after the moratorium was lifted for the mixed swine and Victoria vaccine that the original influenza could be combated. (Silverstein: 126) It was obvious that one can not always count on Nature to be as effective apartner as one would hope.

A major biological complication to the immunization campaign was its connection to Guillain-Barréacute; Syndrome (GBS). For the most part, the vaccination went more smoothly than even expected, with less than the predicted side effects and deaths. (Silverstein: 116) However, it was discovered that the vaccinations could be a factor in an increased number of cases of GBS. GBS is a rare paralytic disease, similar to polio, which causes an onset of polyneuritis, or tingling and weakness of the extremities and then some extent of paralysis. While most recover in the following months, there is a 5% fatality rate (mostly due to secondary respiratory disease or pneumonia), and 10% remain paralyzed to some extent. GBS is thought to result from an immunopathological reaction to an foreign agent in the body. (Silverstein: 117 and Laitin) While it was difficult to know for certain if the vaccines were causing GBS, since there were few prior statistics of GBS incidences to compare it with, there was enough evidence to suggest that this was the case. Preliminary calculations estimated that while there were 0.7 cases of GBS per million of non-vaccines at this time, there were 8.3 cases per million in vaccines. Not only this, but those non-vaccines which developed GBS were much more likely to have been sick prior to the syndrome than those who were vaccines, suggesting that the vaccine contained the trigger effect that usually would not have been present in healthy individuals. (Laitin ) While the vaccination program did not create an epidemic of GBS, this was enough to shut down the already flailing NIIP, which ended on December 16, 1976. (Silverstein: 119) This date was not the end of the troubles between the NIIP and the GBS, however, since the 500 cases of the syndrome and 25 deaths cost the government (who had agreed to take liability of the program) millions of dollars, not to mention a serious blow to its image. (Silverstein: 127 and

Laitlin).

If the scientific complications of the NIIP were not enough, the media only helped to make the situation worse. First of all, while the program received broad support at its inception, the press was quick to criticize the program once no new incidents of swine flu appeared in the months after the Fort Dix affair, and emphasized the criticisms of people such as Albert Sabin, known for his polio vaccinations, who originally supported the project, but later pushed for a stockpiling of the vaccination. (Silverstein: 85-6) The press did more than just discourage the immunization plan, for they also helped to push the program forward. In August, when the NIIP appeared likely to never get off the ground, an outbreak of a particularly lethal strain of pneumonia occurred at the Pennsylvania State Convention of the American Legion, killing 29 of 182 cases. While it was later discovered that the disease, called Legionnaire's Disease, was caused by a relatively unknown bacteria, and was in no way connected to swine flu, the press had already played its part. Immediately, despite no evidence to support the claim, the connection was made in the media between the Legionnaires' Disease and swine flu. This was enough public agitation to push necessary legislation through congress, allowing the NIIP to go forward. While the press had helped to save the immunization program, it had done so using extravagant claims, and it might have proved useful if the NIIP had not survived at all. (Silverstein: 98-99, 106) Another example of sensationalism in the media occurred when a few days after the beginning of the immunization program three elderly people died at a vaccination station. Once again, while there was no evidence that the deaths were related to the vaccine, the press quickly exaggerated the story, creating an imagined "body-count" of vaccine victims. The hysteria that followed caused nine states to close down their immunization programs until the CDC announced decisively that the deaths were in no way connected to the vaccination. (Silverstein: 110-111) Judging from these incidents, it is not surprising that the press acted little differently when the actual connection between GBS and the vaccine was discovered. While the press can be slighted for its sensationalist portrayals of the immunization program, the leaders of the program should also be held responsible, for not creating a better relationship with the media, and not using this source as a way to educate the public about the program and influenza.

What made all of these difficulties more troublesome at the time was the inability of the program to adapt to new situations and obstacles. When the outbreak was announced, the responsibility of facing the threat quickly moved up the political hierarchy, until President Gerald Ford himself announced the instigation of the NIIP. By this time, however, the threat of the pandemic had been exaggerated, in part to serve political purposes. (Silverstein: 42-43) While the prestige of the presidency helped gather momentum for the project, it also complicated matters, since because the President had taken control of the undertaking, no one beneath him could take initiative and re-organize the plans to face unexpected obstacles. (Silverstein: 47) Another problem with the logistics of the NIIP was that its planning was so overwhelmingly optimistic about the success of all the different facets of this immense endeavor that only in the best-case scenario would all go as planned. If the organizers had instead planned for the worst, they very well might have been able to deal with the many difficulties that occurred in a more suitable manner. (Silverstein: 138) Not only this, there was no re-evaluation of the program at different stages of its progress. For example, once the decision had been made to go ahead with both the manufacturing of the vaccine and the immunization, there was no reconsideration of stockpiling the vaccine, even when the disease failed to appear in the months after the manufacturing. (Silverstein: 142) Because of these organizational difficulties, the NIIP was unable to adapt to challenges the occurred, and there were many such challenges. Aside from those already listed, the NIIP and the government also had to face the refusal of the of the American Insurance Association to insure the manufacturers of the influenza vaccine, since it was afraid of mass quantities of invalid lawsuits regarding the immunization. This dilemma threatened to kill the NIIP, and it took many months for Congress to accept liability for the vaccinations, having to pass special legislation to allow individuals to fail claims against the government. (Silverstein: 96-7, 106) Other predicaments which plagued the immunization program included the discovery that one of the manufacturers had made millions of the wrong kind of influenza vaccine, legal complications which stalled the organization of advertising for the campaign, and arguments over the form and content of the consent forms for the vaccination. (Silverstein: 79, 108-109) Because of the inadequacies of the logistics of the NIIP, these complications often set the entire program back weeks or months, and threatened the integrity of the undertaking altogether.<p>

This is not to say that the immunization program did not have its positive points. First of all, it would be ridiculous to renounce the NIIP because the swine flu never occurred. The program was a preventative action, in order to protect the population if the disease <i>did</i> occur, and things would have been a lot worse if swine flu had erupted and the government had done nothing to prepare for it. (Silverstein: 134) Also, despite the mistakes of those in charge of the project, and the negative publicity it received from the press, the NIIP was successful in vaccinating a large amount of the population in a very short time. This is proof that the people had made their own decisions about the benefits and risks of the program, and that the local health officials had adequately taken control of the program in their areas. (Silverstein: 115) And because of this vast undertaking, there is no question that the people had become more knowledgeable of immunization, for as one Senator explained, "We have raised the public's awareness of the need to prevent disease from happening." (Silverstein: 124) Also, for the most part, the surveillance system of the vaccinations was largely successful, in that it competently kept track of every individual vaccinated, carefully watched for outbreaks of the swine flu, and was able to monitor adverse side effects to the immunization. (Laitlin) In fact, because the syndrome's increase was so slight, the connection between GBS and the influenza vaccinations probably would never have been noticed if not for the scrutiny of the surveillance system. (Silverstein: 121) Because of the information that this system gathered, as well as the increased scientific and public interest in influenza at the time, the NIIP has undoubtedly helped to further knowledge of the influenza disease, as well as contribute to the fields of microbiology and epidemiology in general. (Laitlin)

With such a massive undertaking as the National Influenza Immunization Campaign of 1976, it is normal to try to identify heroes and villains among those who were involved in the endeavor. However, it is not possible to do so. The immunization campaign had its strong points and its weak points, and the people who organized the project made both good decisions and mistakes. The scientists and the politicians who evaluated the Fort Dix were right to take the most cautious reaction they could, because all of the pathological, microbiological, and historical evidence they had at the time strongly suggested that a dangerous pandemic could occur. But while many of the unforeseen difficulties which arose to complicate the NIIP can not be blamed on the organizers of the immunization campaign, they should be held responsible for not creating a more adaptable program that could deal with these occurrences. The NIIP must be evaluated for its drawbacks and its successes, so that people will not just see this as an unfortunate historical event, but can use it to help further immunization and disease-fighting programs in the future.



Works Cited

The "Flu". Online. 17 Feb. 1999. Available: www.ultranet.com/~jkimball/BiologyPages/I/Influenza.html

Laitlin, Elissa A. and Elise M. Pelletier. "The Influenza A/New Jersey(Swine Flu) Vaccine and Guillain-Barréacute; Syndrome: The Arguments for Causal Association." Drugs and Devices Line, 1997. Online. 15 Feb. 1999. Available: www.hsph.harvard.edu/Organizations/ddil/swieflu.html

Silverstein, Arthur M. Pure Politics and Impure Science: The Swine Flu Affair. Baltimore and London: The John Hopkins University Press, 1981.
 

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