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US Supreme Court to decide on race-based admissions in top universities




US Supreme Court to decide on race-based admissions in top universities​

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The use of race in admissions decisions to some of America's finest universities is another contentious and sensitive issue the US Supreme Court will address on Monday, following abortion and guns in the recent past.

And the conservative-dominated court might be prepared to reverse course once more, just as it did in June when it invalidated the famous "Roe v. Wade" ruling from 1973 that protected a woman's right to an abortion.

The use of race in admissions to Harvard and the University of North Carolina (UNC), the nation's oldest private and public universities, respectively, will be the subject of two hours of oral arguments before the court.

Like many other selective universities, Harvard and UNC employ race as a criterion to try to ensure that minorities, particularly African Americans, are represented in the student body.

According to Yasmin Cader, deputy legal director at the American Civil Liberties Union, the "affirmative action" policy was born out of the Civil Rights Movement in the late 1960s to "help address our country's long history of discrimination and systemic inequality in higher education" (ACLU).

Right-wing critics have attacked it since the beginning, and several white students have filed lawsuits over the years, alleging "reverse discrimination."

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Affirmative action is prohibited at public institutions in nine states, including California, where voters rejected a 2020 attempt to reinstate the practice after doing so in a ballot measure in 1996.

Affirmative action has already been affirmed by the Supreme Court, most recently in 2016 by a single vote, but its opponents think the current right-leaning panel will give their arguments more consideration.
 

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Justices to take aim at race-conscious college admissions in affirmative action cases


Justices to take aim at race-conscious college admissions in affirmative action cases​

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In her 2003 opinion upholding affirmative action in higher education, former Supreme Court Justice Sandra Day O'Connor famously predicted that in 25 years "the use of racial preferences will no longer be necessary" in America.

Next week, years after that milestone and with lingering gaps in minority college acceptance and achievement, a new group of justices will decide whether to overrule O'Connor – and more than 40 years of precedent – to declare that admissions policies must be race-blind.

"That would be a sea change in American law with huge implications across society," said Jeffrey Rosen, president and CEO of the National Constitution Center.


Fordham University, a Jesuit institution in the Bronx, N.Y., has defended affirmative action in college admissions as a moral imperative and critical tool for building a diverse student body.
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In a pair of oral arguments Monday, the justices will take up race-conscious admissions policies at Harvard University, the nation's oldest private college, and the University of North Carolina, the nation's oldest public university.

It is the first test for affirmative action before the current court with its six-justice conservative majority and three justices of color, including the first-ever Black woman justice, Ketanji Brown Jackson.

"I think we have to be realistic in that this is a very conservative Supreme Court," said David Lewis, a Harvard University junior and member of the school's Black Students Association. "But this issue has been tried over and over again at the court, and the precedent has still been upheld."

Students for Fair Admissions, a conservative and multiracial coalition of 22,000 students and parents, sued the schools in 2014 alleging intentional discrimination toward Asian American applicants in violation of the Civil Rights Act of 1964 and Equal Protection Clause of the 14th Amendment.


Baruch College, part of the City University of New York, is one of the most diverse college campuses in America. More than 70% of students are non-white.
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The group, led by longtime affirmative action critic Edward Blum, is asking the Supreme Court to outlaw consideration of race in admission to public and private colleges and universities nationwide.

"There are better ways of achieving racial diversity than treating people differently by race," Blum, who is white, told ABC News in an interview. He argues race-neutral approaches, like a focus on socio-economic background, could meet the same objectives.

The high court has previously resisted those arguments.

In a landmark 1978 decision, a five-justice majority said that race was a permissible factor in admissions so long as a school did not use a quota system. Twenty-five years later, Justice O'Connor reaffirmed that principle in a 5-4 decision that said a school's use of race must be narrowly-tailored. And in 2016, a similarly divided court again upheld the use of race at the University of Texas.


The sun rises behind the U.S. Supreme Court, Oct. 11, 2022, in Washington.
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"Every justice on the Supreme Court and the justices that have served over the last 30 or 40 years have voted to overturn precedent," Blum said. "It is far overdue for the Supreme Court to revisit the use of race and ethnicity in higher education, and we hope that the court will rein in that practice."

Lower federal courts have sided with Harvard and UNC, ruling that neither broke from the Supreme Court's long-standing precedent, which permits the limited use of race as one factor in a holistic review of individual applicants' qualifications for admission.

"An applicant's race is only one among dozens of factors," UNC wrote in its brief to the high court, as admissions officers bring "together a class that is diverse along numerous dimensions -- including geography, military status, and socioeconomic background."


German Ortega, 18, is a freshman at Fordham University in New York City. He dreams of becoming a lawyer after graduation.
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Harvard University argues separately that the Constitution "does not require us to disregard the commonsense reality that race is one among many things that shape life experiences in meaningful ways."

"Nothing in the text or history of the 14th Amendment suggests that universities must uniquely exclude race from the multitude of factors considered in assembling a class of students best able to learn from each other," the school wrote in its brief.

The 14th Amendment was drafted and ratified after the Civil War with the express purpose of extending equal rights of citizenship to former slaves and other Black Americans.

The lower courts also affirmed the schools' "compelling interest" in pursuing educational benefits from a diverse student body and agreed that race-neutral alternatives may fall short. Blum and Students for Fair Admissions disputes those conclusions.

"In UNC's academic judgment, diversity is central to the education it aims to provide," the school told the court. "Ideally, UNC could achieve this diversity without consideration of race … [but it] remains necessary."

A varied approach to race in university admissions​

Since 1996, 10 states have banned the use of race in public university admissions. But roughly one-in-five U.S. public universities still consider race during the admissions process, according to a report by Ballotpedia.

"There's something very particular about growing up in this country dealing with the ways that you were underestimated, the educational opportunities you're denied," said Fordham University President Tania Tetlow, the first woman to lead the Jesuit institution in its 181-year history.


Fordham University President Tania Tetlow is the first woman to lead the Jesuit institution in its 181 years. She says promoting racial diversity on campus is a top priority.
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"When a student comes to us having overcome all of that and succeeding," Tetlow said, "we're even more eager for them to be here. And the idea that we're supposed to ignore that I just don't understand."

Fordham has been among the biggest defenders of affirmative action, seeing the policy as much a moral imperative as a critical tool for building a diverse campus. The undergraduate student body is 64% white, according to the school.

But not all institutions see race-conscious admissions as an imperative.

Baruch College, part of the City University of New York located in lower Manhattan, is one of the most racially diverse campuses in the country, with more than 70% students of color. The school does not consider race in admissions.

"It's a tool to achieve the kind of campus diversity that we're talking about, but it's not the only tool," said Baruch College president David Wu, the first Asian American to lead a school within the City University of New York.


Baruch College President David Wu is the first Asian American to lead a school in the City University of New York system. He says affirmative action is not the only tool schools have to building diversity.
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Wu argues that a more effective approach is targeted recruitment in underserved communities much earlier in high school. "By the time you get into the admission policy of diversifying the student body, that's a little bit too late," Wu said. "Before all that happens, you need to put in the effort to build that pipeline."

A key contrast between schools like Fordham and Baruch is cost. The private university charges roughly $56,000 a year in tuition; the public school is around $7,000 a year.

"Race has to be part of the conversation. I also think socioeconomic status is really important, and we need to find a way to talk about both of them in a nuanced way," said Jake Moreno Coplon, CEO of America Needs You, a nonprofit that helps first-generation college students get accepted to college and navigate the transition.

"It's hard to know what the impact of the erasure of affirmative action will do to the higher education landscape," Coplon added.


Jake Moreno Coplon is CEO of America Needs You, a nonprofit organization that has helped thousands of first-generation college students navigate the admissions process and adjust to life on campus.
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A 2020 study of public universities that have banned affirmative action found long-term decline in black, Latino and Native American representation on those campuses – on average more than 15 percentage points lower than among state high school graduates in just the first year a ban was implemented.

At the University of California-Berkeley, which eliminated race as a factor in its admissions 1996, the admissions rate for Black students dropped from 50% to 20% in the first year and from 45% to 21% for Latinx students, according to the ACLU.

Public supports diversity but cool to affirmative action​

While most Americans say they support promotion of racial diversity on college and university campuses, strong majorities also oppose the use of race as a factor in admissions decisions.

More than 60% of Americans said they would support a ban on race-based affirmative action, according to a Washington Post-Schar School poll released this month.

The views appear to be shared by majorities across racial and political groups. A Pew Research Center study earlier this year found 68% of Hispanics, 63% of Asian Americans and 59% of African Americans oppose the use of race or ethnicity in college admissions.

"There's just talent everywhere, and if they look in the right places, they'll find it," said German Ortega, a Fordham University freshman and son of a Mexican immigrant from Corona, Queens, who grapples with the pros and cons of affirmative action.


German and Yariel Oretga of Queens, N.Y., are the first in their family to attend college. They have reservations about the use of race in the university admissions process, even if they benefitted from affirmative action.
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Ortega is attending Fordham on a scholarship specifically earmarked for Hispanic students. "It's sad that I got a full ride because I'm Hispanic," Ortega said. "It's good for me, but you know, it says a lot."

Lewis, the Harvard junior, said minority students should never be ashamed about consideration of their race as a factor in admissions.

"Our race is not just liek a color or like a checkbox on our college applications," Lewis said. "It tells us a whole history about what opportunities you had access to. We know how powerful systemic racism is in this country. To overcome that, and to be part of this small group of people being considered at these institutions shows that you do have incredible merit."

Forty years of precedent on race in admissions​

Affirmative Action was developed in the 1960s and 70s in part to ensure opportunity after decades of inequality and racism kept students of color on the margins of higher education.

For Baruch College in New York City, enrolling a diverse mix of students has not been difficult, but at Fordham University, Harvard, UNC and dozens of other institutions across the country, it remains a challenge.

"If the court were to follow settled precedent, our side would prevail, and we are asking the court to hold the line," said Yasmin Cader, ACLU deputy legal director, which is backing the schools. "We are not asking or seeking advancement, just seeking that they don't overturn efforts to achieve equality."

Critics of affirmative action say the precedent was wrongly decided from the startand is now ripe for correction.

"A lot of the devil is going to be in the details, the scope of the rule," said Roman Martinez, a former clerk to Chief Justice John Roberts and then-judge Brett Kavanaugh and veteran Supreme Court litigator.

If precedent is overturned, Martinez said, a key question will be what options universities will have to pursue their goals. "Will they be able to use approaches that do not explicitly take race into account but are adopted, in part, to promote diversity? There's a lot of play in the joints," he said.

A key figure in it all could be Justice Jackson. She recused herself from the Harvard case because of a past role on the University's board of overseers but will fully participate in the UNC case. The court's ultimate decision is expected to take her views and vote into account.

"I think it's important to hear from the first black female justice on the Supreme Court of the U.S. how she feels about race consciousness in American life," said Devon Westhill, president and general counsel at the Center for Equal Opportunity, a group that opposes race-conscious admissions. "We don't have a good record of what her thoughts are on that."
 
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mzkitty

I give up.
It really bugs me all this race crap to get into college. I mean not everyone can go to a top 10 or Ivy League school. They only want that piece of paper that snarks, "Oh see how much better than you I am, I went to Hahvaad." That's what they want. That's where the money is. BUT, you can get into any state college and still be well-educated and make a decent living. So it really is just all about perks and bragging rights. And the whole network reinforces that. And after school when they are all big time lawyers and politicians, they are expected to send lots of money continually to their dear old Alma Mater. Should I spit? LOL
 

dstraito

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Lets just separate everyone

Whites only
Blacks only

Then lets see which one does better academically

We know which one will do better in sports. What a concept, an all white team playing an all white team. I'd watch that!

eta: which group will produce more desirable job candidate, the group that had to work for their grade or the group where the grade was allocated to them.

What will become the more desirable collage to attend, but oh wait, one is white , ones black!


What is the respective crime rates at each?
 
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WildDaisy

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"I have a dream that my four little children will one day live in a nation where they will not be judged by the color of their skin but by the content of their character."

When will that dream ever become a reality if we keep judging people on their skin color, and not their merits?

Equal education has been afforded to ALL people in this nation for the last 50 years. Two generations have been born since its enactment. This and all future generations have the equal ability to understand the value of an education and take full advantage of it. That starts with early learning in the home with parents. Even a single-parent home can instill in their children that value.

By 18, if your child fails to be able to get into a college solely based on their academic achievement, then the parent failed.
 

ShadowMan

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When will that dream ever become a reality if we keep judging people on their skin color, and not their merits?

That will happen when we're invaded by interstellar insectoids that want to kill all mammalian life forms on this planet. Only then will we finally consider all humans equal.
 
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Sooth

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Will white student admissions to Howard University be considered by the Supreme Court?
Since whites are what, 84% of the population, shouldn’t they be 84% of the student body?
I would bet real money that no one will ask that question of the Supreme Court.
 

dioptase

Veteran Member
If admissions truly were race blind, I have to wonder what will happen at the upper tier colleges and unis - will 90% or more of the students be Asian-American? That's just considering American applicants. How do foreign students factor into all of this? There might be some unexpected consequences.
 

Dobbin

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It would make perfect sense that admission to a grade-oriented "filter" would be decided similarly to the "exit."

Don't the highest grades graduate "Summa Cum Laude" - and thereby achieve offers for the best jobs, continuation of their education, or financial support?

It is (or was) supposed to be a test for the most intellectually adept. Except for collegiate sports (a different kind of test) the testing was SUPPOSED to be intellectual.

Now many schools in the interest of "equity" have turned away from "intellectual adeptness." In their rationale, life after college is not just a continuing challenge for the intellectually adept, but also should include other human challenges such "adaptability", "sociability", "intuition," "empathy," and many other human traits encouraged in "diverse" environments.

One has to admit that those of "independent demeanor" are overall less successful in their life's goal - you need other humans to succeed better in your own endeavors.

So you can take comfort that your doctor may not be the smartest doctor in his class, but perhaps the most sociable?

Remember that as you submit yourself for surgery - and you find your continued existence reliant upon the doctor with the friendliest smile, the biggest handshake, or willing to do you a favor because of your "connection" to him.

Dobbin
 
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