WEATHER Two Presidents Week Winter Storms Will Blanket Plains, Midwest, Northeast With Snow and Ice

Millwright

Knuckle Dragger
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A pair of winter storms will wring out more snow and ice during the week of Presidents Day from the West to the Plains, Midwest and Northeast.
True to form for the typically busy month of February, the weather pattern is setting up for an active week ahead, with impacts over much of the country.
First, the jet stream will take another sharp southward plunge into the West early next week. A surge of energy will swing east out of that jet stream plunge early next week, followed by a second, stronger disturbance later in the week.

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As that's happening, a fresh blast of Arctic cold air will plunge south from Canada into the West, central U.S. and, eventually, parts of the East next week. Each low-pressure system will pull moisture into that cold air, producing snow and ice.

As is typical several days out, there are key details that remain unclear, particularly with the second system later next week, so check back to weather.com and The Weather Channel app in the coming days for important updates as the forecast comes into focus.
For now, let's lay out what we know and don't yet know, starting with the first storm.

First Storm: Early Week
A small disturbance riding the U.S./Canada border in the Plains ahead of the big storm system. That distubance, a quick-moving clipper system for North Dakota and Minnesota, is expected to cause gusty winds and some modest snowfall through Sunday. Areas of blizzard conditions are expected along the North Dakota/Minnesota border.
Winter weather alerts are in place ahead of this first winter storm from the Cascades of Washington and Oregon to the Midwest. Conditions are expected to be worst where winter storm watches and warnings are in effect. These conditions could include dangerous driving conditions and very cold temperatures.

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Sunday, snow will extend from the Cascades of Washington and Oregon through the northern Rockies. Sunday night, that snow should spread east into the northern Plains, including parts of the Dakotas and Minnesota.
Monday, snow could become heavy from parts of South Dakota into Minnesota, northern Wisconsin and northern Michigan while persisting in the Rockies.

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Tuesday, heavy snow might persist in the upper Midwest and western Great Lakes, and is expected to spread into parts of northern New England. A band of sleet and freezing rain is possible in parts of the southern Great Lakes, upstate New York and New England.

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The best chance for heavy snow with this first storm will be in parts of the Rockies, and also in a roughly west-to-east band from South Dakota to Minnesota, Wisconsin, northern Michigan and northern Maine.
This includes the Twin Cities, where this longer-lived snowfall could lead to hazardous morning and afternoon commutes Monday and Tuesday.

Some accumulations of ice and/or sleet are also possible along the southern edge of the snowfall map below, generally from parts of Iowa, northern Illinois and Lower Michigan to upstate New York and northern New England.
This could lead to hazardous travel from later Monday into Tuesday night or early Wednesday.

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Snow, Rain Outlook
(While it is too far out in time to specify exact forecast snowfall totals, areas in the purple and pink contours have the highest chance at heavy snowfall.)
(MORE: Severe, Flood Threats in the South)

Second Storm
As alluded to earlier, right on the heels of the early-week storm, a second winter storm is increasingly likely but may leave its snowy and icy imprint farther South. That's because Arctic cold air will be more expansive for this second storm.
By Wednesday, it will have plunged deep into Texas. And behind the first storm, some colder air will be dragged southward into at least parts of the East.

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After wringing out some needed snow in the Desert Southwest and parts of California's high country, the wintry mess from this storm could begin as soon as Wednesday from parts of Kansas and Missouri into Oklahoma and northern Texas.
Thursday could see widespread snow and ice from northern Texas, Oklahoma and Kansas through the Ohio Valley, southern Great Lakes and mid-Atlantic states.
This mess could finish up in parts of the Northeast next Friday.

(MAPS: 7-Day U.S. Forecast Rain, Snow)

It's far too soon to narrow down any forecast totals for this storm, but significant snow and ice is possible from parts of the central and southern Plains into the Ohio Valley and Northeast.
The Northeast forecast is particularly tricky, dependent on the track of the second storm's low-pressure center and how stubborn the cold air remains in place and where.
Some of the same areas just hit by Winter Storm Miles this past week could see more accumulating snow or ice.


 

Marthanoir

TB Fanatic
You can keep them, don't be sending them over the Atlantic, we have our third storm in a matter of days over here at the moment. Storm Eunuce was a real dozy the other day, 85mph winds, now we have Storm Franklin,
 

Jackpine Savage

Veteran Member
This is stacking up to be a real winter here in west central MN. Probably the most snow I remember since 96-97. We had blizzard conditions last Friday, piled up 20 some cars and trucks near Brainerd, MN.

Adding up the forecasts for Monday and Tuesday we could be looking at 10-20". Then the temps fall to -20 for lows and single digit highs for the rest of the week.

Today I'm putting firewood in the basement and moving some snow.
 

WalknTrot

Veteran Member
Yep...looking to be just steen-king peachy here (N MN) for the next few days. Whatever's coming is supposed to start tonight, and keep on keeping on until Tuesday. Then just: cold.

I consulted the great guru NWS discussion guy's page this morning, and he is not committing yet, but had a super-long analysis of what a weird mess it could be. So..ran stupid errands this morning, digging out all outside doors nice and wide, loading up on feed, setting aside water, checked the propane tank, doing up dishes and laundry, baking and cooking ahead.

Yeehaw.
 

Millwright

Knuckle Dragger
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Yep...looking to be just steen-king peachy here (N MN) for the next few days. Whatever's coming is supposed to start tonight, and keep on keeping on until Tuesday. Then just: cold.

I consulted the great guru NWS discussion guy's page this morning, and he is not committing yet, but had a super-long analysis of what a weird mess it could be. So..ran stupid errands this morning, digging out all outside doors nice and wide, loading up on feed, setting aside water, checked the propane tank, doing up dishes and laundry, baking and cooking ahead.

Yeehaw.

Ya' Know,

You are wearing me out just talking about all that. :lol:

Now I feel guilty and might maybe get my fatass out of the chair and be productive.

NAHHHHHH

Too late in the day.
 

Sammy55

Veteran Member
We're about as ready as we can be. Went to do a few errands and top off the gas. I need to wash dishes yet and will do them this evening. We were supposed to get 1-3 inches from this storm, per forecasts 2 days ago. Then it was upped to 3-6 inches, then up to 4-8 inches, then up to 8-12, now at 9-13 inches. Just what we need...more snow. This is the most snow I can remember for many years! We get much more, we'll have to push back the banks on our driveway. It's already getting to narrow, and even the UPS guy said that he can't bring packages to us if the driveway is too narrow. (sigh) Both DH and I can and do plow. However, he's more "aggressive" than I am with pushing back banks, and even he's gotten older and lost a lot of his "aggressiveness." I worry that he'll get stuck like he used to when he pushed banks back. Back then, he could shovel himself out most times, but now he wouldn't be able to do it. We'd have to have the truck plulled out by a wrecker of neighbor's tractor. But that's more work. Just hope that this snow doesn't keep adding and piling up!
 

psychgirl

Has No Life - Lives on TB
It’s not supposed to hit Indiana until Thursday. But they’re not really saying a whole lot, yet.
It’s too early to get the exact track down.
But all of the weather sites I follow are starting to give out some big hints.
 

WalknTrot

Veteran Member
We're about as ready as we can be. Went to do a few errands and top off the gas. I need to wash dishes yet and will do them this evening. We were supposed to get 1-3 inches from this storm, per forecasts 2 days ago. Then it was upped to 3-6 inches, then up to 4-8 inches, then up to 8-12, now at 9-13 inches. Just what we need...more snow. This is the most snow I can remember for many years! We get much more, we'll have to push back the banks on our driveway. It's already getting to narrow, and even the UPS guy said that he can't bring packages to us if the driveway is too narrow. (sigh) Both DH and I can and do plow. However, he's more "aggressive" than I am with pushing back banks, and even he's gotten older and lost a lot of his "aggressiveness." I worry that he'll get stuck like he used to when he pushed banks back. Back then, he could shovel himself out most times, but now he wouldn't be able to do it. We'd have to have the truck plulled out by a wrecker of neighbor's tractor. But that's more work. Just hope that this snow doesn't keep adding and piling up!
Yeah...my plow guy has an awesome dually dump-truck plow truck, but also has "skidsteer/will travel" if things get too hairy.
It's been needed before.

I'm done - bring it on. The drinking light is officially lit. :vik:
Good luck, kids.
 

Blacknarwhal

Let's Go Brandon!
Wednesday's high for SW lower MI is 55. A quarter-inch of rain expected.

Thursday's high is 29.

Weather's still nuts. At least we're far enough into the year that the polar stuff only makes the temperature winterlike.
 

Jackpine Savage

Veteran Member
Just got in from moving some drifts that showed up the last few days. Made room for some new ones! Had to go pick up DD from her friends house. One of the neighboring Amish has a 3/4 mile driveway that I can overlook from the county road. There was a county size plow truck stuck half way up the driveway with two tractors trying to pull it out. We got a layer of ice in places, I'm sure they're having fun.

We're about as ready as we can be. Went to do a few errands and top off the gas. I need to wash dishes yet and will do them this evening. We were supposed to get 1-3 inches from this storm, per forecasts 2 days ago. Then it was upped to 3-6 inches, then up to 4-8 inches, then up to 8-12, now at 9-13 inches. Just what we need...more snow. This is the most snow I can remember for many years! We get much more, we'll have to push back the banks on our driveway. It's already getting to narrow, and even the UPS guy said that he can't bring packages to us if the driveway is too narrow. (sigh) Both DH and I can and do plow. However, he's more "aggressive" than I am with pushing back banks, and even he's gotten older and lost a lot of his "aggressiveness." I worry that he'll get stuck like he used to when he pushed banks back. Back then, he could shovel himself out most times, but now he wouldn't be able to do it. We'd have to have the truck plulled out by a wrecker of neighbor's tractor. But that's more work. Just hope that this snow doesn't keep adding and piling up!

You might want to talk to your township and see if they'll help you out. I know ours does for a nominal fee. It actually might have been the township truck that I saw stuck, ha.

The first year I moved back up here we did the winter of 96-97. Quarter mile driveway. We had a 125hp tractor with a heavy duty loader. Had the snow piled as high as it would reach on both sides of the driveway. We actually made the front page of the newspaper, ha. Had to have to township come out with the road patrol and wing it back a couple times. The next year we bought a snowblower for the tractor and haven't seen that much snow since, until now at least.
 

Sammy55

Veteran Member
Just got in from moving some drifts that showed up the last few days. Made room for some new ones! Had to go pick up DD from her friends house. One of the neighboring Amish has a 3/4 mile driveway that I can overlook from the county road. There was a county size plow truck stuck half way up the driveway with two tractors trying to pull it out. We got a layer of ice in places, I'm sure they're having fun.

You might want to talk to your township and see if they'll help you out. I know ours does for a nominal fee. It actually might have been the township truck that I saw stuck, ha.

The first year I moved back up here we did the winter of 96-97. Quarter mile driveway. We had a 125hp tractor with a heavy duty loader. Had the snow piled as high as it would reach on both sides of the driveway. We actually made the front page of the newspaper, ha. Had to have to township come out with the road patrol and wing it back a couple times. The next year we bought a snowblower for the tractor and haven't seen that much snow since, until now at least.
That's probably the winter that our 1/2 mile driveway (where we used to live) started to look like a bobsled run. It was hairy driving up to the house that winter! The driveway had a 90 degree turn and several bends, and if you didn't aim right, you were scraping the sides of the driveway with the sides of the car! And we kept getting more snow! DH had to spend a day ramming those banks back as much as he could to make room to move more snow. It was unreal!!

When we left the house to go out to the driveway, we had snowbanks on either side of the sidewalk that were taller than we were. That was a winter that we'll never forget. And never hope to have to go through again!! Especially as we are older now and aren't as mobile. If it happens again, we'll just stay hunkered down in the house until spring comes and melts it all. LOL!
 

SurvivalRing

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We're in the dark blue area of this map in Wyoming (where the CH of Cheyenne, Wyoming is) ...looking at the first REAL snow since last spring. We had two very minor blows since November....maybe 6 or 7 inches. Starting at 5 am tomorrow, we were told 10+ inches on Friday, 2 to 4" on Saturday, and then this afternoon 8 to 12" here, with 12 to 20" in the nearby (50-mile radius) mountains, the Snowie Range, and the Sierra Madres.

Currently, we've got a Winter Storm Warning from 5 am tomorrow until 11 am Tuesday. Don't have anywhere to be, so no worries. Do have to walk the doggos tho, and that'll suck for Molly, with little short legs...no so much for Angel.
 

hunybee

Veteran Member
This is stacking up to be a real winter here in west central MN. Probably the most snow I remember since 96-97. We had blizzard conditions last Friday, piled up 20 some cars and trucks near Brainerd, MN.

Adding up the forecasts for Monday and Tuesday we could be looking at 10-20". Then the temps fall to -20 for lows and single digit highs for the rest of the week.

Today I'm putting firewood in the basement and moving some snow.


i wanna be done now....
 

Cardinal

Chickministrator
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i have so far gotten arizona, texas, and florida on the list.

make your case, my friend!
Seasons are not so extreme here. Usually, "winter" is a couple of months of "I hate this $#!t". (Jan and Feb)
Summer is hot but ends promptly on Sept 21st. Spring and fall are lovely, no need to run the heat or air, just open the windows and enjoy. I'm talkin N. GA, of course. Lots of farms to get local produce and meat, lotsa good people.
2A friendly.
 

hunybee

Veteran Member
Seasons are not so extreme here. Usually, "winter" is a couple of months of "I hate this $#!t". (Jan and Feb)
Summer is hot but ends promptly on Sept 21st. Spring and fall are lovely, no need to run the heat or air, just open the windows and enjoy. I'm talkin N. GA, of course. Lots of farms to get local produce and meat, lotsa good people.
2A friendly.


hmmmmm......
 

CapeCMom

Veteran Member
@Cardinal how do you guys take to people from mn? i'm from the northern part, and they already think i'm odd in this part of the state (i now live a little further south in mn).

i don't want to be hearing "well, bless your heart" a lot.....
I am wondering this too. We have often considered moving south once our mothers are gone but wondered whether we would be welcomed since we are from Mass.
 

West

Senior
Ice storms are really a PITA!

Years ago I was coming home from a job and my truck was unloaded and it was only rear wheel drive. A ice storm just got done laying a nice 1/2 inch of ice on the frozen paved road.

When I got to a slight hill I couldn't even make it up a slight grade, with out spinning out and sliding back down.

Did have some 48 inch long plastic zip ties. And rims that allowed them to work as temporary chains.

Those got me up the hill and all was good.

 

Millwright

Knuckle Dragger
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Ice storms are really a PITA!

Years ago I was coming home from a job and my truck was unloaded and it was only rear wheel drive. A ice storm just got done laying a nice 1/2 inch of ice on the frozen paved road.

When I got to a slight hill I couldn't even make it up a slight grade, with out spinning out and sliding back down.

Did have some 48 inch long plastic zip ties. And rims that allowed them to work as temporary chains.

Those got me up the hill and all was good.


A waste of perfectly good sex toys...but sometimes you gotta do what you gotta do.

:lol:
 

Cardinal

Chickministrator
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@Cardinal how do you guys take to people from mn? i'm from the northern part, and they already think i'm odd in this part of the state (i now live a little further south in mn).

i don't want to be hearing "well, bless your heart" a lot.....
If you are conservative, you will fit in. I am originally from New England. Lots of folks in my general area are from other places. And then some are part of clans who have lived here for generations. If you treat them with respect, they will return it.
They respect other hard working middle class folks who aren't out to give them ****.
 

Cardinal

Chickministrator
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I am wondering this too. We have often considered moving south once our mothers are gone but wondered whether we would be welcomed since we are from Mass.
See my reply above CapeCmom.
Also, You might want to look into the coastal areas, since that is what you are used to.
A change in topography can actually be pretty hard to adjust to.
I grew up in Western Ma, at the foot of the Berkshires.
My home town was established in the 1500s.
Lots of mountains and old colonial homes.
The area I am living in is very similar. Farms, old homes and a view of the mountains 360.
I live in the Shire, minus the Hobbits.
 

thompson

Certa Bonum Certamen
i have so far gotten arizona, texas, and florida on the list.

C'mon down! :D

Forecast high today is 81°. Tomorrow's high expected to be 84°. Current temp is 68° and overcast...

It will change, though (always does)

Low on Thursday night 33°, with a high on Friday of 47°.
 

Digger

Veteran Member
I am north of Russellville AR and the last I saw, the ice will not make it this far south. But we are on the edge of the change over so all sure bets are off.
 

hunybee

Veteran Member
what is the panhandle of florida like? is it further away from the crazy? the long flat part seems to be full of "do not want" for me.

i want a more rural and mellow place and not huge cities.

to tell you what i live in now: it is maybe about 5,000 people on a parade day (parade day=everyone comes to town), and i can walk 2 blocks and be in a farm field. next own over is 20-30 min one way, and the other town is 20-30 min the other.

i am hoping the panhandle is more what i am looking for.

@Cardinal that sounds just great! then i think we would fit in just fine. we are most certainly not karens and we do our thing and you do your thing and we help when and where we can. sounds like we would fit just fine!
 

Cardinal

Chickministrator
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what is the panhandle of florida like? is it further away from the crazy? the long flat part seems to be full of "do not want" for me.

i want a more rural and mellow place and not huge cities.

to tell you what i live in now: it is maybe about 5,000 people on a parade day (parade day=everyone comes to town), and i can walk 2 blocks and be in a farm field. next own over is 20-30 min one way, and the other town is 20-30 min the other.

i am hoping the panhandle is more what i am looking for.

@Cardinal that sounds just great! then i think we would fit in just fine. we are most certainly not karens and we do our thing and you do your thing and we help when and where we can. sounds like we would fit just fine!
If Fl wasn't getting crazy with rents I'd consider moving back, but I don't do crowded.
 

db cooper

Resident Secret Squirrel
Several days ago in a different thread I posted a picture of our pickup coming out of our little valley where the snow was just a few inches deep. In this picture you can see the vertical cut by the pickup, which is about 3 feet high. The full height of the drift is about 8' off to the left. The county has not been around for days, so I clean it out myself. Our blower will handle 5' high drifts. The problem is ice where the tractor cannot get traction going up hill.

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This will keep growing in depth until maybe the end of March, and probably not fully melted until the end of April, possibly mid May. We have had blizzards in May. Tonight's low -26F. We live 9 miles south of Manitoba in ND.
 

stop tyranny

Veteran Member
We need some more "global warming". One thing not talked about near enough with all the weather events is weather modification. Our government and private interests have been funding research into this for decades. I am sure there are other countries doing the same.
 
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