CORONA Thought about SARS-CoV-2 variant Omicron

meandk0610

Veteran Member
I had a thought after hearing that it’s thought that the variant developed in an HIV patient. Could the apparent slow immune system response time be because the virus is learning how to hide in a manner similar to HIV? I know that genetic crossover happens sometimes with viruses (as well as bacteria), and I hope this angle is being considered, but thought I would throw this out there for the doctors on the board. Thoughts?
 

naegling62

Veteran Member
This same situation is happening in patients they can't cure. People who have been sick in the hospital for months have generated dozens of mutations. So, I doubt HIV having much to do with it.

As discomforting a subject as it is, our medical ability to keep folks alive under these circumstances in a pandemic probably is counter productive for our species.
 

Anti-Liberal

Veteran Member
The generated fear over covid has deflated and most people just want to get on with their lives so the PTB can't have that and now are pumping up more fear for the holidays because going back to anything normal is not on the agenda. May they all FOAD with their lies.
 

Samuel Adams

Has No Life - Lives on TB
This same situation is happening in patients they can't cure. People who have been sick in the hospital for months have generated dozens of mutations. So, I doubt HIV having much to do with it.

As discomforting a subject as it is, our medical ability to keep folks alive under these circumstances in a pandemic probably is counter productive for our species.

Been saying this for years.

Satan’s meddling with God’s laws of physics at the technologically unsustainable level can only lead to........



















today.
 

pinkelsteinsmom

Veteran Member
This is real simple. There was no covid, only pumped up fear. The jabberdoo was their goal. The jabberdoo was the key to the Aussie round-up. None of this shit would be happening had the stupid among us not volunteered to wear their chains on their faces and rush to take the jabeerdoo.

Now these new variants real or not will be perceived as the real deal and some may be real based on the unbelievable crap in the jabberdoo. So now they got all of us by the shorthairs cause the stupid are already giving this new crap legs.

I posted a 5 minute stick figure video explaining the danger of stupid people, we are there now and they will get us all killed.
 

PrairieMoon

Veteran Member
Coronaviruses constantly adapt and mutate.

Vaccination will only cause the virus to mutate in ways to get around that particular artificial immune response, thus continually creating stronger and more lethal viruses. ADE.

Vaccinating children: perpetuating the mutating virus, and eventually wiping out natural immune response to this virus.
Animal hosts: we cannot vaccinate the virus out of existence. Unrealistic, thus makes one sooo suspicious of the universal govt push to vaccinate everyone.
 

Tristan

Has No Life - Lives on TB
I had a thought after hearing that it’s thought that the variant developed in an HIV patient. Could the apparent slow immune system response time be because the virus is learning how to hide in a manner similar to HIV? I know that genetic crossover happens sometimes with viruses (as well as bacteria), and I hope this angle is being considered, but thought I would throw this out there for the doctors on the board. Thoughts?


Or, perhaps the reports about HIV 'inserts' from nearly 2 years ago are to be explained away? "See? It developed this rapidly-spreading variant in an AIDS patient!"

Maybe.
 

Limner

Deceased
Hmmm....here's another take on the Omicron.....



CORONAVIRUSOmicron Variant First Detected in Four People Who Were Fully Vaccinated

Botswana government releases public statement on new mutant strain.

Published 7 hours ago on 26 November, 2021Paul Joseph WatsonXinhua News Agency via Getty Images


The new ‘Omicron’ variant of COVID-19 was first detected in four people who were fully vaccinated, according to a public statement by the Botswana government.

The new variant, which some claim is three times more contagious, was initially discovered in Botswana before it spread across South Africa.

The news was met with global alarm, prompting financial markets to plummet and new travel bans to be put in place.

According to a public statement by the Botswana government, the new mutation was first discovered in four people who had received both doses of the COVID-19 vaccine.


According to the report, four cases of the new variant “were reported and recorded” on November 22.

“The preliminary report revealed that all the four had been completely vaccinated for COVID-19,” according to Botswana authorities.

In a subsequent statement, the government revealed that the new variant “was detected on four foreign nationals who had entered Botswana on the 7th November 2021, on a diplomatic mission.”


“The quartet tested positive for COVID-19 on the 11th November 2021 as they were preparing to return,” according to the statement.

In a piece of good news, others who had close contact with the infectees “have no COVID-19 symptoms and have tested negative for COVID-19.”


As we highlighted earlier, according to Belgian Prime Minister , the Omicron variant is so potentially devastating that it should be called ‘COVID-21’.

Meanwhile, South Africa’s medical chief Dr. Angelique Coetzee described the panic as a “storm in a teacup,” adding that she had only seen “very very mild cases” of the variant so far.






CORONAVIRUSBelgian Prime Minister Says New Variant Heralds Arrival of ‘COVID-21’

Claims it’s three times more infectious.

Published 8 hours ago on 26 November, 2021Paul Joseph WatsonDIRK WAEM via Getty Images
The Prime Minister of Belgium says the new mutant variant of coronavirus is so potentially devastating that it should be called ‘COVID-21’.

Yes, really.

Alexander De Croo made the comments during a press conference after international markets plummeted in response to the news that the ‘Nu’ variant of the virus had been discovered in Botswana and spread across South Africa.

“You could say that this is Covid-21 instead of Covid-19: it is three times more infectious than the original virus,” said De Croo.

His remarks came in the aftermath of sustained media panic over the new mutation and the UK Health Security Agency (UKHSA) describing the variant as “the worst one we’ve seen so far.”

It was confirmed that the B.1.1.529 variant had reached Europe after it was detected in someone who had entered Belgium after traveling to Egypt.

Some European countries are already tightening COVID restrictions despite the fact that very little is known about the new strain and it could take weeks to determine if it is a major threat.

However, international alarm over the mutation was questioned by South Africa’s medical chief Dr. Angelique Coetzee, who described the response as a “storm in a teacup.”

According to Coetzee, South Africa has
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CONTINUE READINGCORONAVIRUSSouth Africa Medical Chief Says New COVID Mutation Has Only Produced “Very Mild Cases”

Expresses surprise at international alarm.

Published 9 hours ago on 26 November, 2021Paul Joseph Watson


Despite a flurry of international panic over the new COVID mutation, South Africa’s medical chief says the issue is a “storm in a teacup,” noting that the country has only recorded “very mild cases” of the new strain.

Well that’s not gonna be very good for pandemic panic clickbait is it?

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Coronaviruses constantly adapt and mutate.

Vaccination will only cause the virus to mutate in ways to get around that particular artificial immune response, thus continually creating stronger and more lethal viruses. ADE.

Vaccinating children: perpetuating the mutating virus, and eventually wiping out natural immune response to this virus.
Animal hosts: we cannot vaccinate the virus out of existence. Unrealistic, thus makes one sooo suspicious of the universal govt push to vaccinate everyone.
just like pesticides make bugs more resistant and tolerant
 

moza

Senior Member
At the beginning of the year all the scientists were “puzzled” at the low infection rate in Africa seeing they didn’t take the same route as most of the rest of the world. Surprise, surprise, at the end of the year, all of a sudden, Africa supposedly has a problem :rolleyes:
 

Hi-D

Membership Revoked
At the beginning of the year all the scientists were “puzzled” at the low infection rate in Africa seeing they didn’t take the same route as most of the rest of the world. Surprise, surprise, at the end of the year, all of a sudden, Africa supposedly has a problem :rolleyes:

That's observant. The market also needs a flow of cash to treasuries.
 

packyderms_wife

Neither here nor there.
At the beginning of the year all the scientists were “puzzled” at the low infection rate in Africa seeing they didn’t take the same route as most of the rest of the world. Surprise, surprise, at the end of the year, all of a sudden, Africa supposedly has a problem :rolleyes:

wasn't ivermectian banned there recently?
 

ShadowMan

Designated Grumpy Old Fart
The latest fashion trends for the coming year(s).

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bw

Fringe Ranger
Vaccination will only cause the virus to mutate in ways to get around that particular artificial immune response, thus continually creating stronger and more lethal viruses. ADE.

There's nothing about mutation that demands the virus become more lethal. They typically become less lethal, but it's dependent upon the pool of available victims.

ADE happens within an individual victim; it is not a property of the virus.
 

Dennis Olson

Chief Curmudgeon
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Folks, let’s try to not keep starting new threads on “Covid feelz.” We have a hundred or more as it is.
 

paul d

Veteran Member
In a subsequent statement, the government revealed that the new variant “was detected on four foreign nationals who had entered Botswana on the 7th November 2021, on a diplomatic mission.”


“The quartet tested positive for COVID-19 on the 11th November 2021 as they were preparing to return,” according to the statement.

In a piece of good news, others who had close contact with the infectees “have no COVID-19 symptoms and have tested negative for COVID-19.”


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Um, who were these foreign nationals and where were they from?
 

rondaben

Veteran Member
I had a thought after hearing that it’s thought that the variant developed in an HIV patient. Could the apparent slow immune system response time be because the virus is learning how to hide in a manner similar to HIV? I know that genetic crossover happens sometimes with viruses (as well as bacteria), and I hope this angle is being considered, but thought I would throw this out there for the doctors on the board. Thoughts?

Nope; not going to see crossovers in RNA viruses. It started in HIV patients because they have no competent immune system.

variants arise from chance mutations. Uncontrolled replication gives more chances at that occuring. Immunocompromised and unvaccinated/those without natural immunity are natural reservoirs for developing variants.
 

meandk0610

Veteran Member
Nope; not going to see crossovers in RNA viruses. It started in HIV patients because they have no competent immune system.

variants arise from chance mutations. Uncontrolled replication gives more chances at that occuring. Immunocompromised and unvaccinated/those without natural immunity are natural reservoirs for developing variants.

Except for when it does happen. From “A mutation in the putative RNA polymerase gene inhibits nonhomologous, but not homologous, genetic recombination in an RNA virus” located at PubMed (A mutation in the putative RNA polymerase gene inhibits nonhomologous, but not homologous, genetic recombination in an RNA virus).

Genetic RNA–RNA recombination has been described for animal (1, 2), plant (35), and bacterial (6) RNA viruses between virus strains, between different viruses, or between virus and host RNAs (2, 7). RNA recombination has an obvious role in RNA virus evolution (5), with nonhomologous crossovers leading to the generation of new viral species and homologous crossovers potentially eliminating errors of RNA replication (2, 5, 7). An unanswered question is: Why do certain RNA viruses show rapid recombination, and many others appear to recombine infrequently (1, 2)?

(Emphasis mine.)
 

bracketquant

Veteran Member
This is real simple. There was no covid, only pumped up fear. The jabberdoo was their goal. The jabberdoo was the key to the Aussie round-up. None of this shit would be happening had the stupid among us not volunteered to wear their chains on their faces and rush to take the jabeerdoo.

Now these new variants real or not will be perceived as the real deal and some may be real based on the unbelievable crap in the jabberdoo. So now they got all of us by the shorthairs cause the stupid are already giving this new crap legs.

I posted a 5 minute stick figure video explaining the danger of stupid people, we are there now and they will get us all killed.

They ain't got me.

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uv_a8GbjN-o
 

vector7

Dot Collector
Merry Christmas!

Elijah, why is almost everyone ignoring the fact that vaccination rates in Western Nations don't matter one bit with covid. Until Asia and Africa is vaxxed, we will always see new variants. The borders are open but I am supposed to get jabbed twice per year? Lmfao
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I love committing mass murder because people don't agree with me aswell.

A communists favorite pastime
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Hold that thought i found another

View: https://twitter.com/AntiAbortionRN/status/1464872259131113472?t=KPfIox_dVyoaPavZ6_F9CQ&s=19
 

Henry Bowman

Veteran Member
S. African Doctor Who Discovered Omicron: 'Unusual But Mild'
S. African Doctor Who Discovered Omicron: 'Unusual But Mild'

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By Fran Beyer | Sunday, 28 November 2021 09:21 AM


The first South African doctor to sound an alert about patients with the omicron variant has described the symptoms as unusual but mild.
In an interview with the U.K.-based Telegraph, Dr. Angelique Coetzee, a general practitioner from Pretoria, recounted that patients began to show up in early November with COVID-19 symptoms that were different than she expected.
Included among those first patients were young people of different backgrounds and ethnicities with intense fatigue, and a 6-year-old child with a very high pulse rate, she told the Telegraph. None suffered a loss of taste or smell.

“Their symptoms were so different and so mild from those I had treated before,” Coetzee, who chairs the South African Medical Association.
On Nov. 18, four family members all tested positive for COVID with complete exhaustion and Coetzee said she reported the findings to South Africa’s vaccine advisory committee.
She said about two dozen of her patients have now tested positive for COVID with symptoms of the new variant — mostly healthy men who turned up “feeling so tired,” the Telegraph reported. About half were unvaccinated.
“We had one very interesting case, a kid, about six years old, with a temperature and a very high pulse rate, and I wondered if I should admit her,” she told the news outlet. “But when I followed up two days later, she was so much better.”
Coetzee said she was worried the new variant could still hit much harder in older people with co-morbidities like diabetes or heart disease.
“What we have to worry about now is that when older, unvaccinated people are infected with the new variant, and if they are not vaccinated, we are going to see many people with a severe [form of the] disease,” she told the news outlet.
The omicron variant, first identified in Botswana Nov. 11, has also now been detected in the U.K., Israel, the Netherlands, Hong Kong and Belgium. It has exhibited 32 mutations to the spike protein — the most of any variant so far — and scientists are concerned the mutations may allow it to evade existing vaccines and spread quickly, the Telegraph noted.

In South Africa, cases have rocketed up from about 550 a day last week to almost 4,000 a day currently, the Telegraph reported.
Coetzee's comments came as nations rushed to enact new mandates and travel bans as more news abouit the new variant's cases and spread broke on Sunday.

The Netherlands confirmed 13 cases of the new omicron variant of the coronavirus on Sunday and Australia found two as the countries half a world apart became the latest to detect it in travelers arriving from southern Africa.
A raft of curbs being imposed by nations around the world as they scramble to slow the variant's spread also grew, with Israel deciding Sunday to bar entry to foreign nationals in the toughest move so far.

Confirmed or suspected cases of the new variant have already emerged in several European countries, in Israel and in Hong Kong, just days after it was identified by researchers in South Africa. The “act first, ask questions later” approach reflected growing alarm about the emergence of a potentially more contagious variant nearly two years into a pandemic that has killed more than 5 million people, upended lives and disrupted economies across the globe.

While much remains to be learned about the new variant, researchers are concerned that it may be more resistant to the protection provided by vaccines and could mean that the pandemic lasts for longer than anticipated.
The Dutch public health authority confirmed that 13 people who arrived from South Africa Friday have so far tested positive for omicron. They were among 61 people who tested positive for the virus after arriving on the last two flights to Amsterdam’s Schiphol airport before a flight ban was implemented. They were immediately put into isolation, most at a nearby hotel, while sequencing was carried out.

Authorities in Australia said two overseas travelers who arrived in Sydney from Africa became the first in the country to test positive for the omicron variant. Arrivals from nine African countries are now required to quarantine in a hotel upon arrival. Two German states reported a total of three cases in returning travelers over the weekend.
Israel moved to ban entry by foreigners and mandate quarantine for all Israelis arriving from abroad.
“Restrictions on the country’s borders is not an easy step, but it’s a temporary and necessary step,” Prime Minister Naftali Bennett said at the start of the weekly Cabinet meeting.
Dr. Ran Balicer, head of the government’s advisory panel on COVID-19, told Israel’s Kan public radio that the new measures were necessary for the “fog of war” surrounding the new variant, saying it was “better to act early and strictly” to prevent its spread.

Dutch Health Minister Hugo de Jonge said he has asked his country’s public health institute for advice on whether additional travel restrictions are needed, but he said he wants to coordinate with his European Union counterparts because “I think those are really steps that we will have to take together.”
Many countries have restricted or banned travel from various southern African countries — among the latest New Zealand, Thailand, Indonesia, Singapore, Sri Lanka, the Maldives and Saudi Arabia. Places that already had imposed restrictions include Brazil, Canada, the EU, Iran, and the U.S. This goes against the advice of the World Health Organization, which has warned against any overreaction before the variant is thoroughly studied.
South Africa's government responded angrily to the travel bans, which it said are “akin to punishing South Africa for its advanced genomic sequencing and the ability to detect new variants quicker.” It said it will try to persuade countries that imposed them to reconsider.

“Whilst we respect the right of all countries to take the necessary precautionary measures to protect their citizens, we need to remember that this pandemic requires collaboration and sharing of expertise," the minister for international relations and cooperation, Naledi Pandor, said in a statement.

The United States’ top infectious diseases expert, Dr. Anthony Fauci, said he would not be surprised if the omicron variant was already in the U.S., though it hasn't yet been detected there.
In Europe, much of which already has been struggling with a sharp increase in cases over recent weeks, officials also were on guard.

The U.K. on Saturday tightened rules on mask-wearing and on testing of international arrivals after finding two omicron cases. Spain announced it won't admit unvaccinated British visitors starting Dec. 1.
Italy was going through lists of airline passengers who arrived in the past two weeks after a business traveler who returned from Mozambique and landed in Rome on Nov. 11 tested positive for omicron. The Lazio region's top health official, Alessio D’Amato, said that “controls at airports, ports and train stations have been reinforced.”
French Health Minister Olivier Veran said that, while his country had no confirmed cases yet, “it is probable that there currently are cases in circulation."

While it is not clear yet how existing vaccines work against the omicron variant, Veran said France isn’t changing its strategy to fight the latest surge of infections driven by the delta variant, which centers on increasing vaccinations and boosters.
David Hui, a respiratory medicine expert and government adviser on the pandemic in Hong Kong, said that even though it is not clear if current coronavirus vaccines are effective against the new variant, the city’s vaccination rate should be increased and booster doses should be implemented as soon as possible.
He said that the two people who tested positive for the omicron variant had received the BioNTech-Pfizer shot and exhibited very mild symptoms, such as a sore throat.
“Vaccines should work but there would be some reduction in effectiveness,” he said.
 

vector7

Dot Collector

vector7

Dot Collector
Seems the Jab is weakening the immune system...

These days, you can’t trust anything so I give you this video to add to the research you are doing on what the hell is going on today I know what’s going on because I spend time in the Bible everyday and my discernment (and my research) have pointed to ONE OUTCOME......
RT 2min
View: https://twitter.com/LateNightBobbyD/status/1464955470276448258?t=H5wglNZDeMusfVVZOsPp2g&s=19

The Biden regime says 70 to 80% of the USA is vaccinated.

We now know there’s been more COVID deaths this year under Biden than last year when there was no vaccine.

You only need second grade math to see this doesn’t add up.

View: https://twitter.com/catturd2/status/1465008986474917889?t=EIgxziIFJUkg4sQ5pGmzbQ&s=19
 

vector7

Dot Collector
The only symptom of the Omnichron variant will be your total loss of income.

Praying for an Omicron stimulus check
View: https://twitter.com/MemeSgtSpliff/status/1465028904847089673?t=fhK1o3vnTv4U6x2xUoYX5g&s=19

Between now and Christmas, the debt limit will be reached and all appropriations for federal spending will expire. It takes 60 votes in the Senate to fund Biden’s agenda which includes FIVE different vaccine mandates. There are only 50 Democrats in the Senate.

Shut down the government and the mandates, @SenateGOP. Prove your worth.
View: https://twitter.com/ColumbiaBugle/status/1465165687270215683?t=o99F2UWImG9C69BvbldKWw&s=19
 
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