CHAT The vaginal takeover of the veterinary industry

colonel holman

Veteran Member
There is one strong theory that the feminization of the doctoring professions starts at grade school where: 1. Boys are generally less motivated to excell in jr high and high school than do girls, thus setting up the shift of college students, especially those that may excel in college shifted toward females. Are boys less inclined to exel than are girls? Hormone effects? Motivation? Check the sex distribution of top ten HS grads.

And 2. Teachers (majority females) very often encourage female students to excel, while often neglecting males. How many teachers are biased against male students? There have been discussions along these lines in recent past about teachers attempts to feminize our schools at all levels. Liberal teachers just gotta fight that toxic masculinity all the way back to elementary school.

I believe women are taking stronger roles in the doctoring professions because they out-perform their male counterparts in gaining admission to college and then on to grad school… academically and social biases
 

Melodi

Disaster Cat
There is another issue that Nightwolf mentioned in regards to the growing number of women in medical schools, especially in Ireland and the UK, I have NO IDEA if this crosses over into the US election system.

But for decades, more like for about 100 years, medical students were selected from those having the very-very highest grades which in both the UK and Ireland are based almost totally on EXAMS (until COVID). So pretty much the selection processed was based on who had the natural talent to do very well on written exams on one day, in one year at one time; mixed which who had parents wealthy enough to send them to special private schools that excelled in getting students to score on those tests or who could hire tutors who did the same thing.

The result was both a medical and to some degree, a veterinary service (some years the "points" for animal vets were higher than for medical doctors) were those who trained to be doctors were not only overwhelming male (they tended to get the more expensive educations in a family) and those who did well on tests.

It took years and a lot of tragic and other unfortunate outcomes to finally figure out that the best doctors may not always come from the best exam takers. This combined with an age limit for medical school that was dropped about the time we moved over here (not quite 30 years ago) meant that people called to caring professions did not study to be doctors later in life and tended to go into other caring professions including nursing, PT or even managing nursing homes.

Today, medical schools, at least over here, do not go only on exam scores, especially not on the graduate level. The medical school course Nightwolf told was aimed partly at older people going into the profession after having another career. It included teachers, lawyers, super-market managers, and even artists.

Over and over again, women turn out to do better than men (on average) on the compassion and empathy scales which are now PART but not ALL of the schools are looking for. The exam points still account for, but they are not the only requirement anymore.

So we now have lots of young women doctors (and vets) as well as a lot of men who are more qualified to be doctors by personality as well as IQ.

In regards to IQ, while being highly intelligent IS important in being a doctor, there are different types of abilities within the subset of high IQs. That's not touchy-feeling we are all wonderful, that's just a fact. A trained MD with an extremely high point score on exams and very detailed oriented may make a fantastic lab researcher, a certain type of surgeon, and other sorts of high-powered, high focus specialties.

But someone equally as intelligent but who has a bit more natural compassion and empathy in their personality make up, probably makes for a better GP, Gynocologist, or ElderCare specialist.
 

West

Senior
I do know that the most intelligent boys in kindergarten and grade schools for the past 30 years have been drugged to keep them from being disrupting in class.

My son was drugged against my wishes. And it was even a private school. It took away his natural skill sets (like tieing his shoes, riding his bike, table manners) and his adventurous attitude, was limited to video games. Before the ADHD drugs he was outside all the time. I had a son and we fished and hunted ect..

Flushed his drugs and CPS said they was going to arrest me for child abuse.

Pretty much the final nail in my first marriage.
 

psychgirl

Has No Life - Lives on TB
Maybe.

The other factor in costs no one has mentioned is the insane increase in prices of *everything* they use. Anesthetic drugs have increased to the point where it costs MORE THAN what they charged for a spay or neuter 10 years ago... just for the anesthesia! Then you've got malpractice insurance (because when your 14 year old Pomeranian who you refused to spay for the last 8 years on the advice of your vet dies on the table as he's trying to save her from the severe toxic pyometra, it's obviously the vets fault!), all the disposables (syringes, needles, exam gloves...)

It is a very expensive service to provide.

I got into this discussion with a dentist once. He was shocked that I understood. He pointed to the glove dispenser on the wall (available from ULINE for @$30), and said "that cost me $279... because it has the caduceus printed on it".... but they are legally required to use the "official" items in their office.

They ain't making minimum wage, but most of them aren't doing as well as the school teachers.

Summerthyme
People just have no clue what it costs. Years ago my boss showed me the graphs and cost charts our software runs for every iota of the business. He also has a business degree, double majored in college days JUST so he’d also know business basics….and how to run a good business.
Anyway, people would be shocked at what actually goes into pockets versus what the overhead is, not to mention supply costs.
Take for example basic Heartguard and Nexguard purchases from that company….our last order cost us 7,000$.

There’s other areas not even talked about such as cleaning supplies, toilet paper, paper towels, copy paper, printer ink, new computers every couple of years, silly minor things, etc.

The list goes on.
He also pays us a small sick pay and vacation hours which accrue with hours worked. Not many owners do that! I had 60 hours saved up for a rainy day which he let me use, at my discretion, while home for long with DH Covid pneumonia recovery. I hated using up my “savings /back up emergency hours” but that was EXACTLY what those came out to be; an emergency savings account! Thank God….

Anyway, he runs a smart business but the costs are staggering.
 

Nich1

Veteran Member
Stepping back a bit...doesn't everything cost something and those costs are rising? My large animal vet is a woman and my small animal vet is a man. Both have proven themselves to me with their care of my animals. When "singers" and "athletes" and "hedge fund managers" and "college professors" and "politicians" can rake in millions, don't those who help us care for the things we love deserve something? Plus...those categories that I mentioned have done very little...and some of those have done nothing...to warrant their millions.
 

ambereyes

Veteran Member
I don't choose a vet, lawyer, doctor, cook or fence builder by gender. I choose those with qualifications that meet my needs, they work for me. They have to be able to do quality work for a sensible price and understand they are working for me. It's up to the customer to decide what suits their needs.
 

ChicagoMan74

ULTRA MAGA
Your post confuses me(?)
What's confusing about it? I stated that emoting millennial female vets are the perfect match for obsessed, human relationship deficient, pet people who treat their animals better than most human beings in this world/like human children.

Millennials are all about the FEELZ and are a perfect enabler for this disordered behavior.
 

ambereyes

Veteran Member
What's confusing about it? I stated that emoting millennial female vets are the perfect match obsessed, human relationship deficient, pet people who treat their animals better than most human beings in this world/like human children.

Millennials are all about the FEELZ and are a perfect enabler for this disordered behavior.
If there are those that need that type of attention that's what they are paying for, than that's just good business. Those that don't want that go elsewhere.
 

Dennis Olson

Chief Curmudgeon
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Give me a reasonable hypothesis
It’s not my responsibility to do your research for you. My OP stated the FACTS, not necessarily an underlying REASON. That’s up to you to discern. My OP simply decries the entire industry skewing female. That’s never a good thing when men are forced out (for whatever reason) of a field in which they prospered for 150 years.
 

Dennis Olson

Chief Curmudgeon
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There is one strong theory that the feminization of the doctoring professions starts at grade school where: 1. Boys are generally less motivated to excell in jr high and high school than do girls, thus setting up the shift of college students, especially those that may excel in college shifted toward females. Are boys less inclined to exel than are girls? Hormone effects? Motivation? Check the sex distribution of top ten HS grads.

And 2. Teachers (majority females) very often encourage female students to excel, while often neglecting males. How many teachers are biased against male students? There have been discussions along these lines in recent past about teachers attempts to feminize our schools at all levels. Liberal teachers just gotta fight that toxic masculinity all the way back to elementary school.

I believe women are taking stronger roles in the doctoring professions because they out-perform their male counterparts in gaining admission to college and then on to grad school… academically and social biases
I do know that the most intelligent boys in kindergarten and grade schools for the past 30 years have been drugged to keep them from being disrupting in class.

My son was drugged against my wishes. And it was even a private school. It took away his natural skill sets (like tieing his shoes, riding his bike, table manners) and his adventurous attitude, was limited to video games. Before the ADHD drugs he was outside all the time. I had a son and we fished and hunted ect..

Flushed his drugs and CPS said they was going to arrest me for child abuse.

Pretty much the final nail in my first marriage.
Both of these are QFT
 

marymonde

Veteran Member
Living in a rural area, the vets are usually men still, because of dealing with large farm animals. It’s not a job many woman want to do, pulling a calf out in the pouring rain, knee deep in mud. Now go to the city in the more sanitary conditions and small animals, yep, it’s almost all women.
 

MinnesotaSmith

TB Fanatic
Related, previously posted:


Is the Training of Women Doctors A Waste of Money?

"UK GP shortage to worsen as young doctors switch to part-time work.


UK More than half of all students taking up scarce places at medical school are women - yet, after 10 years, 60 per cent of them have given up, leaving a huge hole in the NHS. The same goes for teaching. Alice Thomson - Daily Telegraph 27/06/03
60% of women doctors will give up their 'careers' within about 10 years.

The continuing deterioration of the National Health Service despite the enormous extra sums of money being put into it by the taxpayer is largely thanks to the training of more and more women to become doctors in the place of men.
In areas such as medicine, the requirement to give women 'equal opportunities' by demanding that medical schools try to train as many women as they do men to become doctors is leading to far worse conditions and shortfalls in the NHS - a service that is already failing the country abysmally.

The fact that so many of these women doctors will take out years from their profession in order to have children and to look after them (with some never returning) is a major drain on a system that is already unable to cope.
In theory, it sounds great to have as many women doctors working in the NHS as men. In practice, however, the consequence is that EVERYONE has to wait a good deal longer to be dealt with, and the entire service is considerably less efficient.
And with waiting lists already far too long even for urgent surgical operations, the price for this 'equality' is rather high. And it costs some people their health and some people their lives.

Most people have a great deal of sympathy with the view that women should be permitted to become doctors working for the NHS if they have the requisite abilities - even if they do log out of the system to bring up families. But there is a price to be paid! In the case of the NHS, everyone who uses it pays a price - particularly the old, the young, the weak, the vulnerable and the sick.
In fact, the most needy of all pay the price!
And these are mostly women.

Indeed, many times more women are negatively affected by an impoverished NHS than there are women doctors.
Further, of course, all of us will need medical treatment at some stage in our lives, and so all of us will suffer from the adverse effects of an NHS that is greatly diminished by the low long-term career aspirations of a relatively small number of women.
Furthermore, the training of doctors is a very expensive business that stretches well beyond the five years that students spend at medical school. And with 60% of women doctors giving up their careers within ten years, the training of women to become doctors is largely a waste of taxpayers' money.

Moreover, the country loses the potential talents of all those young men who would have embarked upon long-term careers in medicine were it not for the fact that women were taking up the places at medical schools.
In addition, it is worth pointing out that - as with all the major professions - experience is just about everything. And so when women doctors in the NHS give up their careers after a few years of work, the country is denied the services of men doctors who would actually have had the same period of experience.
And who would then have gone on to get even more experience!
In other words, these future highly-experienced doctors are lost forever.

In summary, the training of women to become doctors significantly degrades the health system. It harms the most needy of people the most. It negatively impacts on all of us. It is a waste of taxpayers' money. And it persistently deprives the country of a large number of highly experienced doctors.
But that's feminism for you!
As in so many other areas, it has a huge cost.
And why do we inflict this huge cost upon the nation?
We do this so that a few thousand women can benefit from having a career in medicine, with most of them choosing to abandon it for something more to their liking.

What is the solution? Do we stop women from becoming doctors by giving all the limited number of places at medical schools to men?
Well, the purpose of this article was not to provide a particular solution to this problem, but to point out that this is yet another area where feminism extracts a very large price from just about everyone for the benefit of a few women. This needs to be pointed out rather than swept under the carpet.

Furthermore, this issue also highlights the impossibility of achieving the 'gender equity' so often loudly espoused by current-day feminists with rarely a thought to what it might actually mean. The phrase 'gender equity' is virtually meaningless.
For example, how, exactly, does one achieve 'gender equity' with regard to the training of women doctors?
Do we force women doctors to stay at their posts so that the gender balance of highly-experienced doctors remains the same throughout the decades?

Would this achieve 'gender equity'?
No. It would not. And there would be permanent public outrage orchestrated by the feminists on the grounds of sex-discrimination.
Do we train twice as many women doctors as men in medical schools to allow for the fact that half of the women will drop out - on the grounds that unless we do this women will not have access to the same number of experienced women doctors as men have to men doctors?

Would this achieve 'gender equity'?
No. It would not. Such a solution would clearly discriminate very heavily against talented young men who wanted to go to medical school. And it would result in the most enormous waste of taxpayers money and a diversion of scarce educational resources toward the very group of people - women - most likely to squander them, with the negative consequences being worst for the most sick and the most vulnerable people in our society.

So. What 'equitable' solutions to this particular problem of women doctors choosing to quit the medical profession would 'gender equity' feminists actually propose?

And what do we do about the feminist mullahs and their media lackeys who continue stirring up hatred toward men by blaming them for the fact that relatively few women eventually reach high office in the world of medicine despite the case being that it is clearly the women themselves who, statistically speaking, have little interest in achieving high office?
And what would be so laughable about this sort of situation - were its consequences not so awful - is this.
Because women doctors drop like flies out of the profession, there ends up being a shortage of doctors. This raises the value of doctors and, hence, their incomes, and so the average pay for men rises (as does their attractiveness to non-earning wives) while that of women, relatively, falls.

Feminism is a very damaging and destructive ideology. It is always concerned solely with the welfare of a few women - in this particular case, those who have whims about being doctors - to the detriment of everyone else. Further, its proponents - the feminists - then foist hatred throughout the nation by vociferously blaming men for the failures of these very same women to reach statistical parity in high positions!

Indeed, the only solution that can ever eventually satisfy the feminists is for men and women to be forced into being statistically the same in just about every conceivable way. Anything less and they will continue to cry 'discrimination' and constantly seek to portray themselves as perpetual victims and men as perpetual oppressors.

Forty years ago, those who interviewed students who wanted places at medical schools used to grill them very aggressively with questions designed to find out how likely they were to stick with the profession once they had qualified. They did not want to expend their scarce resources training people who were going to end up wasting them.
Nowadays, however, no expense is spared in order to pander to the selfish desires of a few women, no matter how detrimental these desires may be to the lives of everyone else.

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UK Crippling Africa's Healthcare Many doctors overseas apply to work in the UK each year The UK is crippling sub-Saharan Africa's healthcare system by poaching its staff, UK doctors have warned.

Yep; we have to poach doctors from impoverished parts of the world because 60% of our own women doctors give up their jobs within ten years, with a further huge percentage only willing to work part time.
Despite the appalling problems that this causes to our health service and, as indicated above, also to those impoverished people who live in countries that cannot afford to lose their doctors to us, we, in the UK, will continue to waste our precious medical resources training annually a few thousand women who wish to play around at being doctors for a short number of years.
And we will continue to do this because nothing, absolutely nothing, must stand in the way of even a small number of women doing whatever they want to do, no matter how much is the cost to everyone else.

The scale of the influx of foreign doctors and nurses into the British health service has been disclosed as figures show nearly 190,000 doctors and nurses have come to the country from outside the EU in just eight years."

Bleeding Africa Dry
 

MinnesotaSmith

TB Fanatic
Related, same link as above:

Irish Examiner

Female doctor bias causing staff crisis, warn consultants

By Catherine Shanahan

"THE growing number of female doctors is causing a staffing crisis as they are avoiding jobs that involve weekend work and long hours, claim consultants.There is also a shortage of hospital doctors because women are looking for part-time hours and opting for general practice because the hours are more family-friendly.

Figures from the Irish Medical Council show women (2,343) outnumber men (2,248) as doctors aged 20-35 for the first time.

Dr Roisín Healy, A&E consultant at Our Lady’s Hospital for Sick Children in Crumlin, Dublin, said the feminisation of medicine was damaging.

“I do think the status of the profession goes down the more feminised it becomes, that’s a sociological given. Men still have more clout - the more masculised a profession, the more it gets, for example, in terms of attracting funding for research.”

Dr Chris Luke, director of postgraduate medicine at Cork University Hospital (CUH), warned the feminisation of medicine had significant implications.

“We have grave difficulties staffing A&E departments around the country basically because the discipline is out of hours.

“It seems to be a fact that women are making different career choices to their predecessors and by and large are opting for specialities that are not out of hours, or they are looking for part-time work.”

Dr Luke said he was seeing shortages in training for surgery, A&E and anaesthesia - which all have high on-call rates - partly attributable to women opting out of out-of-hours work.

He said implementing the Fottrell report was the only way to end the growing gender imbalance because it would replace the Leaving Certificate - where girls traditionally score higher - as the only assessment tool for entry to medical school.

However, Dr Mary Gray, a Limerick-based GP who has reviewed studies of women in medicine, said the Leaving Certificate is a fair system.

“There is no outside influence. I wouldn’t support any system that wasn’t based purely on merit. If you were to introduce a discriminatory system, making it easier for men, you are then discriminating against women.”

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Ah yes. One must not discriminate against a few thousand women's career aspirations even though EVERYBODY ELSE IN THE COUNTRY - especially the weak, the sick, the old and the vulnerable - has to pay a SIGNIFICANT price - with their health."

UK Nearly 70,000 patients had their operations cancelled less than 24 hours before they were due to go into theatre last year, despite a government drive to reduce last-minute postponements. 20/07/03

UK Patients who have major operations on the National Health Service are four times more likely to die than Americans undergoing such surgery, according to a new study. The difference in mortality rates was blamed on long NHS waiting lists, a shortage of specialists and competition for intensive care beds. 07/09/03

UK More than nine out of 10 of the girls believe it should be up to their husbands to provide for them. 20/10/03

"According to a survey of 5,000-plus teenage girls, their main ambition is to complete university then return to the homestead - whether their partners like it or not.""
 

Melodi

Disaster Cat
Two points:

The article fails to mention that the NHS (and the Irish Health Service) is bleeding ALL doctors, not just women. It is the worst in Ireland where nearly every Irish-trained doctor goes overseas to work because the conditions for "Jr. Doctors" (residents) are so bad that no one wants to work under them (and the pay is horrible). The NHS is only slightly better, like Ireland huge numbers of their doctors are foreign-born and not from EU countries, they are willing to work for low pay and under harsh conditions, but the Brits are not. Most from both countries leave to work in Australia or Canada, some even go to Scandinavia where the pay isn't good but the social prestige and benefits are.

The computer just ate a paragraph that mentions that Ireland was one of the last countries to even start to bow to legal pressure and mandates (including lost lawsuits) that required Jr./Resident doctors to work absurd and dangerous hours - like 120 hours weeks and 72 hours on the job. Once it was medically proven that the affected young doctor's brains reacted the same as someone who was drunk (from the loss of sleep) and a number of rather expensive lawsuits were settled, the EU ordered countries to change. Ireland has totally dragged its feet and unofficially still does a lot of these things, everyone in medical knows this, so something like 97 percent of Irish medical school graduates take up residencies in other countries.

More women actually stay here then men, because often they have husbands or families by the time they graduate.

Men may tend more to immigrate to Australia and Canada, and the ladies may be slightly more likely to ask for part-time work or simply leave to raise a family and decide to change careers.

Either way, BOTH sexes of doctors are LEAVING THEIR JOBs, blaming this on women is ignoring the other 50 percent of the problem, or why nearly every locum GP or specialist I have seen for the last 15 years is either from India, the Middle East, Africa or South America. That isn't always a problem, but it means Ireland provides a top-notch medical education just to export people and so just the UK.

The working conditions need to be revised for everyone, the countries that have humane and common sense rotas even for Jr. Doctors/Residents have a much higher retention rate. Even ones like Sweden and Denmark that don't pay all that well but their is a lot of social prestige to being a medical doctor (as there used to be in the US) and they have more paid leave and other benefits, the same is true in Germany.
 

GingerN

Veteran Member
All the vets except for one where I go are female. I really don't have a problem with a new vet working with my dog. Being fresh out of school they are up to date on the latest techniques and protocols. As long as there are older and more experienced vets there for more challenging cases I don't see a problem. They all had to start out young and inexperienced at the beginning.
I had a horse go down about 6 weeks ago. Go out on a Friday evening about 7 ish, and he is down. Unsure of how long he has been down, since I talked to property owner at 10 30 that morning. Horse is dehydrated and appears to be having an HYPP attack, except that he is not Impressive bred, he is reining bred, so we are thinking IMM, except EVERY symptom says Hypp. Get him up, and start walking him, just in case its something else. If he stops, he goes down. At 1 point, there were 5 of us holding him up. Finally, the back up vet's on call vet, who I have never used, calls back, and says put him on a trailer and take him to UGA. Really? He can't stand up!! I said I just need you to come out here and start an IV. If we can get him re-hydrated, it will cure the immediate issue and buy us some time. SHe says, "oh, we don't do IVs in the field" Excuse me, what? I have seen them knock them down in the front yard and do surgery on then and there, and she won't come run fluids? BTW, she finally called back at about 8 30 for this conversation. I told her I really think this is IMM, and the protoccol for this is Dex and Prednisole. If you will call a script in, I can do this. Oh, no, if I am wrong, then Dex will cause other issues. LADY If we don't do SOMETHING, he will be dead anyway. We stayed up all night with this horse being down, knowing that it probably was futile, but trying to turn him over periodically. About 8 the next morning, I get in touch with my regular vet, who was still dealing with emergency calls from the night before, told her what was going on and how we were treating it (she let my daughter go with her on calls years back and taught her lots, so ..)She said we were doing the right thing, told me 1 more thing to do, so I went to go get that. In the meantime, my oldest daughter, who was the owner of the horse, calls the backup idiot who comes out and gives him a shot of Lasix (dehydrated, remember) and said that it was a hail Mary, but even in a dehydrated state, the Lasix should kickstart some potassium receptor something or other in 15 minutes or so. It didn't and we wound up putting him down an hour later. I still firmly believe that if she had come the night before and run an IV, it may have been a different outcome. Regular vet-60ish. Backup vet-3os.
 

rafter

Since 1999
I had a horse go down about 6 weeks ago. Go out on a Friday evening about 7 ish, and he is down. Unsure of how long he has been down, since I talked to property owner at 10 30 that morning. Horse is dehydrated and appears to be having an HYPP attack, except that he is not Impressive bred, he is reining bred, so we are thinking IMM, except EVERY symptom says Hypp. Get him up, and start walking him, just in case its something else. If he stops, he goes down. At 1 point, there were 5 of us holding him up. Finally, the back up vet's on call vet, who I have never used, calls back, and says put him on a trailer and take him to UGA. Really? He can't stand up!! I said I just need you to come out here and start an IV. If we can get him re-hydrated, it will cure the immediate issue and buy us some time. SHe says, "oh, we don't do IVs in the field" Excuse me, what? I have seen them knock them down in the front yard and do surgery on then and there, and she won't come run fluids? BTW, she finally called back at about 8 30 for this conversation. I told her I really think this is IMM, and the protoccol for this is Dex and Prednisole. If you will call a script in, I can do this. Oh, no, if I am wrong, then Dex will cause other issues. LADY If we don't do SOMETHING, he will be dead anyway. We stayed up all night with this horse being down, knowing that it probably was futile, but trying to turn him over periodically. About 8 the next morning, I get in touch with my regular vet, who was still dealing with emergency calls from the night before, told her what was going on and how we were treating it (she let my daughter go with her on calls years back and taught her lots, so ..)She said we were doing the right thing, told me 1 more thing to do, so I went to go get that. In the meantime, my oldest daughter, who was the owner of the horse, calls the backup idiot who comes out and gives him a shot of Lasix (dehydrated, remember) and said that it was a hail Mary, but even in a dehydrated state, the Lasix should kickstart some potassium receptor something or other in 15 minutes or so. It didn't and we wound up putting him down an hour later. I still firmly believe that if she had come the night before and run an IV, it may have been a different outcome. Regular vet-60ish. Backup vet-3os.
For HYYP attack give them 80cc of karo syrup. It will stop it immediately. Follow up with some butte. If it was dehydrated it's potassium level probably went up. Do not give salt to a HYYP positive horse. Best to feed alfalfa hay.

While HYPP is an Impressive trait it is also found in other bloodlines. Everyone associates it with Impressive because his bloodline is the most prevalent.

I have a HYPP halter horse that is non-symptomatic.
 

Dennis Olson

Chief Curmudgeon
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It doesn’t take long to simply press the ENTER key one extra time. In any event, your 24 hour edit window has expired. Please don’t write in one enormously long paragraph again.
 

gillmanNSF

Veteran Member
Have been watching various vet shows on Nat Geo Wild for a few years and also started watching various vets at zoos. I didn't view the zoo vet shows very long. They were dominated by women and feminized men, with the constant anthropomorphizing of the animals in their care. The shows are peppered with the annoying phrases "good girl" and "good boy." The zoos were interesting but I was turned off by constant emoting and flow of estrogen; too much! Same goes for the woman vet in Alaska and the married vets in Nebraska. Women vets make everything all cuddly, gooey.

The only vet show I still watch is Dr. Pol and the women vets there keep it professional and emotionally balanced. While I have the greatest respect for all vets and for what they do, I prefer a vet show that is more even keel.
 
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