The potentially most explosive Presidential campaign issue

RobinYyes

Deceased
I know some of you don't like Jim Bramlett; that being said this is what he posted today about Obama on a website that I frequent.....Suffice it to say, he is correct imo.

Dear friends:

The most potentially explosive issue of the current Presidential campaign is that of Barack Obama’s claimed citizenship and his legal eligibility to be President of the United States.

I am not saying that he is not eligible, but the apparently fraudulent birth certificate provided by his campaign office certainly raises the question.

On June 24 I reported the research of Isreal Insider,Israel’s daily newsmagazine. They concluded that Obama’s birth certificate is fraudulent. Yesterday, July 20, 2008, they provided a follow-up report with more evidence, which is below.

Could it dare be possible that a man without proof of citizenship, with a Muslim background, and Muslim father, who for 20 years attended and supported an American-hating church, with an American-hating wife, with a connection to a known, unrepentant terrorist and also arch-racist Louis Farrakhan, and with virtually no experience at anything, could be elected as the leader of the free world and of the most powerful nation in the world, simply because he has a smooth voice and promises a nebulous change? Somebody pinch me and tell me it ain't really so.
If he is really a legal citizen, let them produce the proof.

Jim
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Document forensics expert: Obama "birth certificate" a "horrible forgery"

By Israel Insider staff, July 20, 2008

(To view the confirming graphics in the article, see the Web site at http://web.israelinsider.com/Articles/Politics/12993.htm.)

Barack Obama may be on a world tour surrounded by a fawning media, but Sunday an expert in electronic document forensics released a detailed report on the purported birth certificate -- actually a "Certification of Live Birth" or COLB -- claimed as genuine by his campaign. The expert concludes with 100% certainty that it is a crudely forged fake: "a horribly forgery," according to the analysis published on the popular right-wing Atlas Shrugs blog.

The purported birth certificate was published by the left wing Daily Kos blog on June 12 in response to unconfirmed reports that Obama was not in fact born in the United States (Canada and Kenya were suggested as the possible locations of his actual birth). Since he would in that case not be a natural born US citizen (his mother was not present in the US sufficiently long as an adult to pass American citizenship on to him automatically), he would not be eligible to be president. Israel Insider has followed the story in five previous articles (the previous one here) and uncovered evidence, most recently, of admitted forgery among Daily Kos bloggers, tolerance of electronic forgeries on the blog site, as well as efforts by a blog administrator to conceal the admission of forgery.

The latest examination of the purported documents is by far the most detailed and technically sophisticated to date.

Atlas Shrugs publisher Pamela Geller reports that the expert analyst, who goes by the screen name "Techdude", is "an active member of the Association of Certified Fraud Examiners, American College of Forensic Examiners, The International Society of Forensic Computer Examiners, International Information Systems Forensics Association -- the list goes on. He also a board certified as a forensic computer examiner, a certificated legal investigator, and a licensed private investigator. He has been performing computer-based forensic investigations since 1993 (although back then it did not even have a formal name yet) and he has performed countless investigations since then."

The pseudonym was apparently inadequate to prevent Techdude's identity from being exposed. He reports that last week one or more persons "decided to track me down and vandalize my car and hang a dead mutilated rabbit from my front door in a lame attempt to intimidate me from proceeding with releasing any details of my analysis. They did succeed in delaying the report by a few days but instead of deterring me they just really pissed me off. To their credit, if I had not taken a few days off from the analysis I would have missed the most damning piece of evidence -- the remnants of the previous security border."

Techdude's detailed report, which runs more than 3000 words and 20 pages with extensive magnified illustrations and comparisons, reaches the following conclusion about the documented that was first published on the Daily Kos extreme left-wing blog and subsequently publicly endorsed by the Obama campaign, both in statements by official spokesmen, and featured on its "Fight the Smears" website. Here are some of conclusions:

"The (Daily) KOS image security border pattern does not match any known specimen from any known year. It does not match the pre-2006 nor does it match the post-2006 certificate patterns. The placement of the text in all of the pre-2006 and post-2006 certificates are almost identical pixel location matches while the image’s text placement does not match any known specimen from any known year. The shape and kerning of the fonts used in the 2006 through 2008 certificates are identical while the shape and kerning of the fonts used in the image does not match any known specimen. The KOS image shows clear signs of tampering such as the mismatch in RGB and error levels, visible indications of the previous location of the erased security border, easily detectable patterns of repeating flaws around the new security border, EXIF data that says the image was last saved with Photoshop CS3 for Macintosh, and finally a technician from Hawaii who confirms it just looks wrong."

The evidence, he says, allows for two possible scenarios by which the document was fabricated:

"There are two obvious scenarios used to create the image that can be ascertained from evidence. Either a real COLB was scanned into Photoshop and digitally edited or a real COLB was first scanned to obtain the graphic layout then blanked by soaking the document in solvent to remove the toner. After rescanning the blank page to a separate image the graphics from the previously obtained scan could then be easily applied to the blank scan after some editing and rebuilding. It would also explain why date stamp bleeds through the paper and the various bits of toner located around the image as well as the remnants of the previous location of a security border."

The purported birth certificate was published by the Daily Kos on June 12 in response to unconfirmed reports that Obama was not in fact born in the United States (Canada and Kenya were suggested as the possible locations of his actual birth). Since he would in that case not be a natural born US citizen (his mother was not present in the US sufficiently long as an adult to pass American citizenship on to him automatically), he would not be eligible to be president.

After more than a month of controversy and demands that the Obama campaign produce a paper birth certificate for analysis, this damning new evidence raises the stakes for the democratic party and its front-runner.

Will Obama and his people continue to stonewall in the facing of the mounting evidence of forgery, and provide paper proof of an authentic, original birth certificate or even a genuine secondary Certificate of Live Birth? And will the mass media and mainstream pundits -- which so far have hesitated to touch the hot potato -- finally address the loaded issue of his possible unfitness to meet the basic Constitutional requirement for a President?

Perhaps the outspoken Israeli press corps will be able to do what their fawning American counterparts have failed to do so far. Obama's visit this week to Israel will be an opportunity to begin asking the tough questions -- however unpolitically correct -- about his apparently forged birth certificate and what that means for his citizenship status and Constitutional fitness to be the next leader of the free world.

This is the sixth of a series on the purported Obama birth certificate. Here's where you can find Part 1, 2, 3 4, and 5.
 

Seeker

3 Bombs for Hawkins
This isn't an original question but would Obama be able to pass a background investigation for employment with any of the alphabet agencies? How thorough is the investigation for access to classified documents for a president? A presidential candidate? Members of their staffs?
 

Pass Go

Deceased
Could it dare be possible that a man without proof of citizenship, with a Muslim background, and Muslim father, who for 20 years attended and supported an American-hating church, with an American-hating wife, with a connection to a known, unrepentant terrorist and also arch-racist Louis Farrakhan, and with virtually no experience at anything, could be elected as the leader of the free world and of the most powerful nation in the world, simply because he has a smooth voice and promises a nebulous change? Somebody pinch me and tell me it ain't really so.

These days anything is possible. Just ask Hitlery, who, by the way, I expect to end up in the oval office.
 

kozanne

Inactive
This isn't an original question but would Obama be able to pass a background investigation for employment with any of the alphabet agencies? How thorough is the investigation for access to classified documents for a president? A presidential candidate? Members of their staffs?

Has always been my question as well. Didn't he have to pass a back check way back when? Like when he filed to run for elected office in IL? Did he not have to present a birth cert, or did he present fraudulent docs to the gov?

How explosive is this? Not too. The mindless brainwashed ones are not going to care, they don't care now. And so the move away from sovreignity and towards global government continues on. Nobody is going to care, even though they should.
 

Thunderbird

Veteran Member
Do not believe you have to be born in the USA to be an Il State Senator, especially if you are Daley backed.
 

energy_wave

Has No Life - Lives on TB
Maybe this is why Hillary didn't give up her delegates. Although, you would think she would have already researched something as explosive as this issue.:whistle:
 

fairbanksb

Freedom Isn't Free
It can't be that explosive. This has been out there awhile and none of Zionist controlled newspapers or Zionist controlled media has exposed it. sarcasm off.:rolleyes:
 

Rasputin

Inactive
If this has any merit, any merit at all, somebody will crawl out of the woodwork and file a law suit over it.
 

Oilpatch Hand

3-Bomb General, TB2K Army
Barry Obama...can you and your valid, certified, unredacted Certificate of Live Birth, printed on real paper, please come out and play? :lkick:
 

night driver

ESFP adrift in INTJ sea
You don't have to prove you are a "natural born" citizen for any of the offices he's held, just a citizen.

Pres is the first office he's attempted with the "natural born" restriction.
 

Fisher

Has No Life - Lives on TB
The middle images are from Obamas Birth Certificate published by the Daily Kos.

Fair use
http://web.israelinsider.com/Articles/Politics/12993.htm

The purported Certification of Live Birth published by the Daily Kos left wing blog and claimed as genuine by the Obama campaign features a security border that differs dramatically from security borders on COLB documents before and after the one supposedly printed out for Obama in 2007.
 

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FREEBIRD

Has No Life - Lives on TB
If TPTB want Obama they're not going to let a little thing like this stop them, or even slow them down. For this nobody to come as far and as fast as he has seemingly in defiance of reason means someone very powerful is backing him.
 

Desperado

Membership Revoked
You don't have to prove you are a "natural born" citizen for any of the offices he's held, just a citizen.

Pres is the first office he's attempted with the "natural born" restriction.

McBush has the same problem.
Born in Panama to American Parents in the service, but by the law of the land..that does not make him a "Natural Born" citizen only a Citizen.
Should be interesting once the lawyers get into the action.
 

windsail

"Montani Semper Liberi"
McBush has the same problem.
Born in Panama to American Parents in the service, but by the law of the land..that does not make him a "Natural Born" citizen only a Citizen.
Should be interesting once the lawyers get into the action.

:whistle:Answer this Dispe:.....Is a military base anyplace in the world or an embassy in any country in the world considered "american soil"?......If you answer yes then your argument has failed......windsail.......
 
McBush has the same problem.
Born in Panama to American Parents in the service, but by the law of the land..that does not make him a "Natural Born" citizen only a Citizen.
Should be interesting once the lawyers get into the action.

So, lemme get this straight -- since the possibility exists that NEITHER candidate is a "natural born citizen," then NEITHER can be offered as a viable presidential candidate, in the upcoming elections?

Eh?

HOW is this situation even POSSIBLE? BOTH candidates from major political parties have the same problem with regards to citizenship questions? Am I supposed to believe that NEITHER major party vetted their chosen offerings?

WHY does this read like a bad 'B' movie Hollywood script?


intothegoodnight
 

Troke

On TB every waking moment
uh...an embassy by international law is considered to be the sovereign territory of the country resident in it. That is why the invasion of our embassy in Iran could have been (and should have been) considered an act of war.

Military posts are not sovereign territory.

I don't understand this 'controversy'. If you are born in the US or anywhere of a US parent, you are a citizen. Now is there an Honest to God law that says otherwise?
 

Thumpr57

Between Balto/Wash
I think Obama presents us with a unique opportunity to understand the man, not the candidate, as he writes in his pre-senatorial book "Dreams From My Father". This is a book he wrote the year following his graduation from Harvard Law School and his stint as the first African-American president of the Harvard Law Review. While he certainly may have entertained hopes then of becoming a senator, that was certainly no guarantee at the time. I find his disclosure of his upbringing, his mixed parentage and ancestry, his "one-foot-in-both-worlds" experience to be forthright, contemplative, and refreshingly confused. He is NOT didactic, he has no easy answers - he tries to apply his liberal tendencies to right the injustices that the poor suffer and finds that the very people he tries to help are often his worst adversaries.

I personally feel that anyone who does not bother to read this book - no need to purchase it as there are certainly copies in your local library - are just not inclined to do the open-minded, thorough research a true citizen of a free country should do when given the opportunity to elect their leaders. I would recommend we read whatever McCain had to say in his early days, although I am unaware of any books or other articles he wrote before he became a national hero and senator. I'm not saying after you reading this book you should elect him president, but I hope you will agree he is not a Muslim in sheep's clothing plotting to erase Christianity from the globe!

I think all this talk of citizenship, of his Muslim upbringing are just an intense fear of the unknown. In Obama's case, he has freely written about all you could ever want to know about his childhood and upbringing so if you find it all so frightening, I invite you to read it for yourself, remembering that he wrote this BEFORE he was elected a Senator.
 

fairbanksb

Freedom Isn't Free
http://www.usconstitution.net/consttop_citi.html

Natural-born citizen

Who is a natural-born citizen? Who, in other words, is a citizen at birth, such that that person can be a President someday?

The 14th Amendment defines citizenship this way: "All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside." But even this does not get specific enough. As usual, the Constitution provides the framework for the law, but it is the law that fills in the gaps.

Currently, Title 8 of the U.S. Code fills in those gaps. Section 1401 defines the following as people who are "citizens of the United States at birth:"

* Anyone born inside the United States
* Any Indian or Eskimo born in the United States, provided being a citizen of the U.S. does not impair the person's status as a citizen of the tribe
* Any one born outside the United States, both of whose parents are citizens of the U.S., as long as one parent has lived in the U.S.
* Any one born outside the United States, if one parent is a citizen and lived in the U.S. for at least one year and the other parent is a U.S. national
* Any one born in a U.S. possession, if one parent is a citizen and lived in the U.S. for at least one year
* Any one found in the U.S. under the age of five, whose parentage cannot be determined, as long as proof of non-citizenship is not provided by age 21
* Any one born outside the United States, if one parent is an alien and as long as the other parent is a citizen of the U.S. who lived in the U.S. for at least five years (with military and diplomatic service included in this time)
* A final, historical condition: a person born before 5/24/1934 of an alien father and a U.S. citizen mother who has lived in the U.S.

Anyone falling into these categories is considered natural-born, and is eligible to run for President or Vice President. These provisions allow the children of military families to be considered natural-born, for example.

Separate sections handle territories that the United States has acquired over time, such as Puerto Rico (8 USC 1402), Alaska (8 USC 1404), Hawaii (8 USC 1405), the U.S. Virgin Islands (8 USC 1406), and Guam (8 USC 1407). Each of these sections confer citizenship on persons living in these territories as of a certain date, and usually confer natural-born status on persons born in those territories after that date. For example, for Puerto Rico, all persons born in Puerto Rico between April 11, 1899, and January 12, 1941, are automatically conferred citizenship as of the date the law was signed by the President (June 27, 1952). Additionally, all persons born in Puerto Rico on or after January 13, 1941, are natural-born citizens of the United States. Note that because of when the law was passed, for some, the natural-born status was retroactive.

The law contains one other section of historical note, concerning the Panama Canal Zone and the nation of Panama. In 8 USC 1403, the law states that anyone born in the Canal Zone or in Panama itself, on or after February 26, 1904, to a mother and/or father who is a United States citizen, was "declared" to be a United States citizen. Note that the terms "natural-born" or "citizen at birth" are missing from this section.

In 2008, when Arizona Senator John McCain ran for president on the Republican ticket, some theorized that because McCain was born in the Canal Zone, he was not actually qualified to be president. However, it should be noted that section 1403 was written to apply to a small group of people to whom section 1401 did not apply. McCain is a natural-born citizen under 8 USC 1401(c): "a person born outside of the United States and its outlying possessions of parents both of whom are citizens of the United States and one of whom has had a residence in the United States or one of its outlying possessions, prior to the birth of such person."
 


These days anything is possible. Just ask Hitlery, who, by the way, I expect to end up in the oval office.



Suspect you're correct. She's skillfully lying in wait, ready to pounce at the first opportunity.

That opportunity may soon present itself.
 

Be Well

may all be well
If TPTB want Obama they're not going to let a little thing like this stop them, or even slow them down. For this nobody to come as far and as fast as he has seemingly in defiance of reason means someone very powerful is backing him.

He has to have very powerful backing, otherwise why would a totally unknown, ultra leftist first time senator with verrrry shady background "stuff" be foisted on everyone via the MSM constantly?

He's got someone/s powerful with tons of $ backing him. Who, we wonders?
 

Y2kO

Inactive
All presidential candidates have something in common. They are compromised and can be "taken out" of the running whenever TPTB decide to do so.
 
I think Obama presents us with a unique opportunity to understand the man, not the candidate, as he writes in his pre-senatorial book "Dreams From My Father". This is a book he wrote the year following his graduation from Harvard Law School and his stint as the first African-American president of the Harvard Law Review. While he certainly may have entertained hopes then of becoming a senator, that was certainly no guarantee at the time. I find his disclosure of his upbringing, his mixed parentage and ancestry, his "one-foot-in-both-worlds" experience to be forthright, contemplative, and refreshingly confused. He is NOT didactic, he has no easy answers - he tries to apply his liberal tendencies to right the injustices that the poor suffer and finds that the very people he tries to help are often his worst adversaries.

I personally feel that anyone who does not bother to read this book - no need to purchase it as there are certainly copies in your local library - are just not inclined to do the open-minded, thorough research a true citizen of a free country should do when given the opportunity to elect their leaders. I would recommend we read whatever McCain had to say in his early days, although I am unaware of any books or other articles he wrote before he became a national hero and senator. I'm not saying after you reading this book you should elect him president, but I hope you will agree he is not a Muslim in sheep's clothing plotting to erase Christianity from the globe!

I think all this talk of citizenship, of his Muslim upbringing are just an intense fear of the unknown. In Obama's case, he has freely written about all you could ever want to know about his childhood and upbringing so if you find it all so frightening, I invite you to read it for yourself, remembering that he wrote this BEFORE he was elected a Senator.

"Unique opportunity to understand the man?"

"Thorough research?"

The problem with MANY such books -- how much of the verbiage was "written" by the purported subject/author, reflecting their REAL perspectives and thoughts, and how much is Hill & Knowlton PR schlitz designed to suck in the gullible sheeple, and create an "awwww" moment?

Lastly, suggest "thinking" vs. "feeling," when objectively evaluating either of the candidates.

ONE thing for SURE - Sen. Obama is a product of the Chicago-Daly political machine, which has a well-known and rather "interesting" background, in and of itself.

Due diligence.


intothegoodnight
 

Ender

Inactive
Lastly, suggest "thinking" vs. "feeling," when objectively evaluating either of the candidates.

So- name one person on this board who can "objectively evaluate" the candidates.

Ain't gonna happen- no matter how "thinking" you THINK you are.

BTW- my gut usually tells me a whole lot more truth than my mind.
 
So- name one person on this board who can "objectively evaluate" the candidates.

Ain't gonna happen- no matter how "thinking" you THINK you are.

BTW- my gut usually tells me a whole lot more truth than my mind.

Right.

Got it.

I feel that you are a sheeple, but I cannot prove it -- I presume that you would have to agree with this?


intothegoodnight
 

buff

Deceased
If you feel I am a sheeple, then you probably need some Pepto Bismo.

haha..

you are not a sheeple...you are an internet sheep that believes whatever suits his views on the internet and are too young to understand the right path. i was you once...then i grew up, as you will..

no offense intended by this post...JMO...and you left the door open....
 

Ender

Inactive
Which just proves, buff, that you wouldn't know a free man, if he smacked you upside your head.

But- hey- don't let me disillusion you.

;)
 
Ender,

Let's call a truce -- the point has been made, which is what is important.

One SHOULD NOT seek understanding of another based upon the ephemeral vagaries of FEELINGS, particularly when there is OBJECTIVE data available -- ONE charismatic individual (sound familiar?) can overload/swoon another by short-circuiting their intellectual defenses, ala Billery or Obama -- they ARE smooth and soothing when presenting their "game face."

What is BEHIND the charismatic public facade is all important, worthy of careful observation and mature discernment.


intothegoodnight
 

Ender

Inactive
Truce.

I was just having a bit of fun.

BUT, I do believe it is by our feelings that we decide; even when we think we are being logical.
 

kozanne

Inactive
I think all this talk of citizenship, of his Muslim upbringing are just an intense fear of the unknown.

Really? I think we learned alot about Muslim upbringings on 9-11....on the contrary, it's what we know that concerns those of us not supporting this man.
 

kozanne

Inactive
He has to have very powerful backing, otherwise why would a totally unknown, ultra leftist first time senator with verrrry shady background "stuff" be foisted on everyone via the MSM constantly?

He's got someone/s powerful with tons of $ backing him. Who, we wonders?

George Soros. Google him.
 

rafter

Since 1999
How about looking at this a different way...knowing that the Muslims have no time frame as to when they take us over...they have a completely different way of doing things than we do.

What if...Obama is/has been bred and programed to be just what he is doing now?

And the reason..to take this country down.

This would be the biggest terrorism act in history or ever.

At this point in time, I feel anything is possible.
 
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