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CS, It traditionally means upping the production/count of T-Cells in the body. Most feel that the immune systems are usually fairly depleted in most folks, due to poor diet, environmental pollutants, constant exposure in crowds, constant stress, just today's life in general. Most folks are functioning in their daily lives feeling tired, and run down most all the time. Sure sign you will probably "catch" something, but less likely if your immune system is at least functioning at a "normal" level, better yet above normal for flu season. There used to be a book available "Scientific Validation Of Medicinal Herbs" by ? Mowbrey (sp) which gave a breakdown of the chemical properties of several herbs touted as very healing, and how those chemical properties worked in the human body, etc. Very technical and very well footnoted with "proper" scientific trials/studies.
Ah thank you!
I get irritated with non-specifics. That works for me.
As to the validity of proper double blind trials - gotta be careful with those too. When the trials/studies are done BY the companies wanting a product licenced - well, we've seen in the past they're not about lying, hiding negative results, etc.
I surely wish we had independent agencies who did this sort of testog - agencies with nothing to gain or lose by the results.
That's a big reason I avoid new meds until they've been on the market 5 - 7 years, have been proven for safety & work.
I get irritated with non-specifics. That works for me.
As to the validity of proper double blind trials - gotta be careful with those too. When the trials/studies are done BY the companies wanting a product licenced - well, we've seen in the past they're not about lying, hiding negative results, etc.
I surely wish we had independent agencies who did this sort of testog - agencies with nothing to gain or lose by the results.
That's a big reason I avoid new meds until they've been on the market 5 - 7 years, have been proven for safety & work.
Just remember, CS, Herbal products are NOT licenced or patented so there is no advantage one way or the other in the double blind trials for herbal stuff. As an example John Hopkins Hospital in ?? I can never remember what big east coast town, did an in-house double blind trail in it's Psychiatric Department on, I think, all the patients over an extended period of time comparing Paxil to St. John's Wort and St. John's Wort won hands down for mild to moderate depression treatment. The hospital now fully recommends and endorses the herb over the drug for it's patients. This was in a JAMA article several years ago.
Wise Owl
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Sue, that is the problem with patents. It is tough to patent something that God gave to us to use.
You put a patent on it then they get to regulate it more. Something that has NOT needed to be done for the last couple thousand years.
Why do they need to patent chamomile for instance??????? It grows in my yard. It is a very good herbal for several things. As a calming tea. For nervous stomachs. It has many uses. You going to patent the herb that grows wild in my yard>>???
How about oregano? Very useful for fight a multitude of illnesses.
You going to patent that too??????
I think we need less instead of more..... Pharm companies need to patent herbals only so they can make more money by controling who gets to sell them.......
Please don't get me started............ They want to regulate vit c in Europe... Get out of my food! Get out of my herbals..... Regulate your chemicals and leave the good stuff alone!
Sorry Sue, this was not directed at you. Just the big pharm companies who want a piece of this cake too..........grrrrrrrrrrrrr!
You put a patent on it then they get to regulate it more. Something that has NOT needed to be done for the last couple thousand years.
Why do they need to patent chamomile for instance??????? It grows in my yard. It is a very good herbal for several things. As a calming tea. For nervous stomachs. It has many uses. You going to patent the herb that grows wild in my yard>>???
How about oregano? Very useful for fight a multitude of illnesses.
You going to patent that too??????
I think we need less instead of more..... Pharm companies need to patent herbals only so they can make more money by controling who gets to sell them.......
Please don't get me started............ They want to regulate vit c in Europe... Get out of my food! Get out of my herbals..... Regulate your chemicals and leave the good stuff alone!
Sorry Sue, this was not directed at you. Just the big pharm companies who want a piece of this cake too..........grrrrrrrrrrrrr!
CS, Not quite sure what you mean - patent variation of formulations. Most herb preps are just 1 herb taken either in capsule, tea, or tincture internally. What's to formulate? If a company is using a specific method of extraction of a particular herb component and marketing that component, that I can see, but for all practical purposes it's not really an herbal prep, just part of an herb and most experienced herbalists still feel it's the whole herb that works together to accomplish whatever it does, not just separate components. I don't believe it's possible to patent/license an herb plant in it's original, wild, non-man-genetically altered state. If it's genetically altered in anyway myself and probably most other herbalists will not use that particular herb. Sort of stubborn purists you might say. Most of us will not use herbs that have been irradiated or chemically fertilized or treated in any way and most of us make our own tinctures because some herb companies use not-so-good chemicals to "standardize" their tinctures and capsules - acetone is one that comes to mind. Just my personal feelings.
WiseOwl, it's not just vitamin C they are talking about - it's all vitamins not being availabe in over the RDA without a perscription, and many herbs willbe/ are being added to the prescription list including would you believe garlic! Do some research on the U.N. Codex Alimentus - a committee which the U.S. is a very participating member of and supporter of. They are also drawing up a unified code of food processing to be implimented worldwide to standardize everything we grow and eat. Chilling when you get into it.
Herbmountain
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Wise Owl and GoatLady.
The pharma company's...when formulating use an active ingredient of the plant. This they can patent. Remember when they were trying to patent Hypericin? That is the active ingredient in St. John's Wort. Surprise? It did not work. It is the whole plant that works. By using the whole plant we get the fiber, chlorophyl, minerals from the dirt and ingredients that counteract the harsher ingredients in the plant. How can they patent something that has maybe up to 300 active ingredients?
My next question. So they ban herbs that we can grow in our back yards. What nut thinks they can check out each yard and bust the grower? They might try but so many of our herbs grow wild. It would take trillions to make this happen. Even today while driving in certain areas...I will not say...I see the beautiful Ephedra bush growing right next to the road. I can imagine it is laughing at the stupidity of being banned. How innocent it is watching the day go by. I blame the greed of the company that combined such high amounts of ephedra, synepherine an caffeine to make the best cardiac arrest formula known to the diet lords.
Formulations of herbals is a blend of herbs that off-set more harsh herbs in the formula. In a sence we do formulate. Look at a combination like Kidney Formula. Many make this combination. Usually Dandelion is used for it's diuretic action and replacement of potassium. Then slippery elm to sooth the lining of the kidneys and urethra against the also combined Uva Ursi. This is formulation. Look at Michael Tierra. He formulated Chinese formulas that have been around for years. Formulation is an art and a wonderful thing to learn.
The drug companys are trying to do this but back asswards. The reason for this is they are making the organs do what they want. This is not herbalism. In herbalism we try to assist the body to heal. That is why the drug companys will never be able to formulate. They do not know how and it would take them years to learn the plants.
The pharma company's...when formulating use an active ingredient of the plant. This they can patent. Remember when they were trying to patent Hypericin? That is the active ingredient in St. John's Wort. Surprise? It did not work. It is the whole plant that works. By using the whole plant we get the fiber, chlorophyl, minerals from the dirt and ingredients that counteract the harsher ingredients in the plant. How can they patent something that has maybe up to 300 active ingredients?
My next question. So they ban herbs that we can grow in our back yards. What nut thinks they can check out each yard and bust the grower? They might try but so many of our herbs grow wild. It would take trillions to make this happen. Even today while driving in certain areas...I will not say...I see the beautiful Ephedra bush growing right next to the road. I can imagine it is laughing at the stupidity of being banned. How innocent it is watching the day go by. I blame the greed of the company that combined such high amounts of ephedra, synepherine an caffeine to make the best cardiac arrest formula known to the diet lords.
Formulations of herbals is a blend of herbs that off-set more harsh herbs in the formula. In a sence we do formulate. Look at a combination like Kidney Formula. Many make this combination. Usually Dandelion is used for it's diuretic action and replacement of potassium. Then slippery elm to sooth the lining of the kidneys and urethra against the also combined Uva Ursi. This is formulation. Look at Michael Tierra. He formulated Chinese formulas that have been around for years. Formulation is an art and a wonderful thing to learn.
The drug companys are trying to do this but back asswards. The reason for this is they are making the organs do what they want. This is not herbalism. In herbalism we try to assist the body to heal. That is why the drug companys will never be able to formulate. They do not know how and it would take them years to learn the plants.
Wise Owl
Deceased
Herb Mountain, yes I know all about the codecs they are trying to get thru. Like I said. They want to regulate everything we eat and do. If they ban over the counter herbals they think we will have to use their chemical cocktails. Nope, it isn't going to happen. The herbs grow wild. They can be used from the wild, IF you know where and what to look for.
But some books that show what the plants look like. what their uses are for. Learn now before it isn't in the stores anymore. Buy seeds and plant them around your property. Let them grow wild. Most return from year to year. Every area has it's own herbal plants that grow wild. Use them and learn about them now.
Stepping down off the soapbox.
But some books that show what the plants look like. what their uses are for. Learn now before it isn't in the stores anymore. Buy seeds and plant them around your property. Let them grow wild. Most return from year to year. Every area has it's own herbal plants that grow wild. Use them and learn about them now.
Stepping down off the soapbox.
Herbmountain
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Wiseowl. I did just that a couple of years ago. I studied three years of wildcrafting. I loved it. I go up into our mountains here and can find all I need. I have brought home some plants for my garden. We trade seeds, plants and roots with those who have what we do not. I must have at least 200 plants now. So every season I harvest seeds for the next season, fill pots and let them stand or plant them. Roots will be harvested as well. I have a barn for all my herbals.
It is such great fun. Right now Im tincturing a calcium formula. One of my students made up Christopher Hobbs Anti-Plague formula and gave it to me as a gift. OMG. It works but it sure stinks of garlic.
It is such great fun. Right now Im tincturing a calcium formula. One of my students made up Christopher Hobbs Anti-Plague formula and gave it to me as a gift. OMG. It works but it sure stinks of garlic.
Wise Owl
Deceased
Ah garlic! One of my favorite herbs. Just wish I could grow it up here. Too cold and the frost is way to heavy for it. -36 in Feb is pretty tough on stuff. I do however like the freeze dried stuff from our health food store. Great stuff!
We live in the mountains in the woods. Lots of goodies out there growing wild.
We live in the mountains in the woods. Lots of goodies out there growing wild.
Herbmountain
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Goatlady, here is the recipe.
Wise Owl? Have you ever come across Lady's Slipper? Years ago as a kid I remember seeing it in Big Bear. I layed next to it and was in wonderment over the beautiful shade of pink. At that time...there was a whole field of these little plants. Now I can find nothing. They sure were beautiful.
Plague Formula
Dr Christopher:
Mix well the following liquid ingredients:
8 parts apple cider vinegar
5 parts glycerine U.S.P.
5 parts honey
2 parts garlic juice, fresh
2 parts Comfrey root concentrate
1 part wormwood concentrate
1 part lobelia leaf and/or seed concentrate
1 part oak bark concentrate
1 part black walnut bark concentrate
1 part mullein leaf concentrate
1 part skullcap leaf concentrate
1 part uva ursi, hydrangea, or gravel root concentrate
1 part marshmallow root concentrate
To Make Concentrates:
Each concentrate should be made individually. Start by soaking the herb for
four hours or more in enough distilled water to cover it completely. After
soaking, add more distilled water so that the total added equals 16 oz. (.5
litre) water per 4 oz. (113 grams) herb. Use a multiple of these amounts
for a larger quantity of formula. Using these amounts approximately one
gallon (3.75 litres) of the formula will be produced.
After adding the appropriate amount of distilled water to the soaked herb,
simmer the herb on very low heat in a covered pan or double boiler for
thirty minutes. Then strain the liquid into a clean pan. Put the liquid
into a double boiler or on very low heat (uncovered) and simmer (steam) it
down to one-fourth of the original volume (4 oz. 125 ml.) Only after all
ingredients have been prepared should the liquids be mixed.
DO NOT USE ALUMINUM, TEFLON, OR CRACKED PORCELAIN. Glass corning ware or
stainless steel or whole porcelain are best.
(Dose: 1 tsp. 3 times a day; or 1 tablespoon every 1/2 hour if infected).
Wise Owl? Have you ever come across Lady's Slipper? Years ago as a kid I remember seeing it in Big Bear. I layed next to it and was in wonderment over the beautiful shade of pink. At that time...there was a whole field of these little plants. Now I can find nothing. They sure were beautiful.
Plague Formula
Dr Christopher:
Mix well the following liquid ingredients:
8 parts apple cider vinegar
5 parts glycerine U.S.P.
5 parts honey
2 parts garlic juice, fresh
2 parts Comfrey root concentrate
1 part wormwood concentrate
1 part lobelia leaf and/or seed concentrate
1 part oak bark concentrate
1 part black walnut bark concentrate
1 part mullein leaf concentrate
1 part skullcap leaf concentrate
1 part uva ursi, hydrangea, or gravel root concentrate
1 part marshmallow root concentrate
To Make Concentrates:
Each concentrate should be made individually. Start by soaking the herb for
four hours or more in enough distilled water to cover it completely. After
soaking, add more distilled water so that the total added equals 16 oz. (.5
litre) water per 4 oz. (113 grams) herb. Use a multiple of these amounts
for a larger quantity of formula. Using these amounts approximately one
gallon (3.75 litres) of the formula will be produced.
After adding the appropriate amount of distilled water to the soaked herb,
simmer the herb on very low heat in a covered pan or double boiler for
thirty minutes. Then strain the liquid into a clean pan. Put the liquid
into a double boiler or on very low heat (uncovered) and simmer (steam) it
down to one-fourth of the original volume (4 oz. 125 ml.) Only after all
ingredients have been prepared should the liquids be mixed.
DO NOT USE ALUMINUM, TEFLON, OR CRACKED PORCELAIN. Glass corning ware or
stainless steel or whole porcelain are best.
(Dose: 1 tsp. 3 times a day; or 1 tablespoon every 1/2 hour if infected).
Herbmountain
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Sorry Goatlady...brain fart week here. LOL