"Team "O" Will Release Dirty Bomber Trainee From Gitmo "
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BigBadBossyDog
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I wonder which city will get hit next. It's something I wonder about a lot.
kozanne
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I don't know where or how bad it would be, but IMO, it's what will happen after the dust settles that concerns me. Again, IMO, I think we will see open civil war in this country and it will not be North/South, it will be Left/Right.
People will be even angrier than they are now, and they won't have to go far to find someone to blame......
The attack itself might not spell the end of the nation, but the aftermath just might.
People will be even angrier than they are now, and they won't have to go far to find someone to blame......
The attack itself might not spell the end of the nation, but the aftermath just might.
For those interested in the news story, instead of a blogger's editing of it:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...-The-truth-torture-row-Guantanamo-Briton.html
Revealed: The truth behind torture row Guantanamo Briton
The British resident at the centre of the torture row met Osama bin Laden while he attended an al Qaeda training camp, according to an FBI document.
Binyam Mohamed was also planning to blow up an apartment block in the United States when he was arrested, investigators claimed.
Mohamed, an Ethiopian who lived in Britain, was arrested in Pakistan and taken to Morocco and Afghanistan where he claims he was tortured.
David Miliband was accused of rolling over in the face of U.S. demands for a cover-up of Mohamed's alleged torture.
The Foreign Secretary is now at the centre of a mounting furore after rejecting calls to press Barack Obama to publish documents detailing his treatment.
Mohamed's legal team has been told the 30-year-old's release from Guantanamo Bay is 'imminent' and arrangements are under way to fly him to Britain.
They described him as close to death after being emaciated by a hunger strike. 'The real worry is that he comes out in a coffin,' said Lt Col Yvonne Bradley, a U.S. military lawyer who saw him last week.
U.S. authorities claim Mohamed fought against anti-Taliban Northern Alliances forces and, because of his UK residency, was selected by Al Qaeda and trained to construct and detonate a radioactive 'dirty bomb'.
He was arrested at Karachi airport as he tried to board a London flight in 2002. His photo had been inserted into another man's genuine British passport.
Ethiopian-born Mohamed, came to London in 1994 as a 16-year-old seeking asylum. He was refused refugee status but granted exceptional leave to remain in 2000.
He studied electronic engineering and got a job as a caretaker in Kensington. He also converted to Islam and attended a mosque frequented by radical Muslims.
The FBI alleged Mohamed watched many jihad videos while working part-time at mosque in 2000.
The next year he is said to have saw Osama bin Laden giving a speech in Afghanistan at the notorious al Farouq camp and it is his presence there that is the crux of his legal battle to have the U.S. papers released.
Mohamed says he had experimented with drugs and went there to kick the habit, and see if the Taliban had produced a good Muslim country.
What followed, said Mohamed, was his entry into what he called a 'ghost prison system' involving stays in Pakistan, Morocco, Afghanistan and Cuba.
Five months were spent at the Dark Prison, a name used by Guantanamo Bay inmates for a secret dungeon near Kabul where rap and dance music blast out 24 hours a day.
While in Morocco he said he was subjected to 18 months of torture.
In graphic accounts given to his lawyers, Mohamed described being hung from walls and ceilings, repeatedly beaten and his penis and chest sliced with a scalpel and hot, stinging liquid poured into the open wounds.
'They cut all over my private parts. One of them said it would be better just to cut it off, as I would only breed terrorists,' he wrote in his diary.
David Miliband refused to press Barack Obama into releasing intelligence material relating to the alleged torture of a former British resident in Guantanamo Bay.
The Foreign Secretary defended his decision to ask the High Court to block the release of information provided by the U.S. relating to the case of Binyam Mohamed.
And he refused to ask the new President to review they approach after two senior judges claimed they had threatened to withdraw co-operation on terrorist intelligence.
'I am not going to join a lobbying campaign against the American government for this decision,' he told the Commons in an emergency statement.
'It is a decision that they have to make given their knowledge of the full facts in respect of the sources that they depend on and the sources that they do not want to compromise.'
Conservatives and Liberal Democrats insisted he should tell President Obama that blocking the papers' release risked tarnishing the reputation of Britain and the U.S.
In stormy Commons exchanges, Mr Miliband faced claims that he asked the High Court to keep the material secret as part of a cover-up aimed at sparing Britain and the U.S. political embarrassment.
Labour MP Andrew Dismore accused him of a 'see no evil, hear no evil' approach over allegations of torture.
Mohamed says he only confessed to the charges against him because he was tortured and says the release of 42 secret documents will prove his claims.
On Wednesday, two senior High Court judges agreed that the U.S. intelligence papers detailing Mohamed's treatment should be suppressed. But Lord Justice Thomas and Mr Justice Lloyd Jones protested they had no choice because the Government had informed them of a 'threat' by the U.S. to withdraw all intelligence cooperation with Britain if they were published by the court.
Yesterday the Foreign Secretary denied the U.S. had 'threatened' to break off cooperation if the papers had been made public.
But he admitted the U.S. had warned their disclosure would be 'likely to result in serious damage to U.S. national security and could harm existing intelligence information-sharing between our two governments'.
Mr Miliband said that was not a threat. Last night Mohamed's lawyers asked the High Court to reopen his case on the basis that the Government provided ' misleading evidence' about the potential consequences of releasing the papers.
Shadow Foreign Secretary William Hague said the court ruling made clear that the material was not 'highly-sensitive, classified United States intelligence'.
'Given the change of administration in the U.S. two weeks ago, the changes in policy that have resulted and the changes in personnel in the CIA, would it not be right to put it to the U.S. administration that it could change its approach to this case?' he said.
Liberal Democrat foreign affairs spokesman Ed Davey said that the decision was about the cover-up of torture.
'The point at question is not a threat to our security coming from terrorists, but a threat to our security coming from our closest ally,' he said.
'The Foreign Secretary should have made it clear to our American friends that this country's opposition to torture meant that we would have nothing to do with intelligence gathered that way.
'But instead, the British Government just rolled over in the face of a scarcely credible threat from a friend.'
Mr Dismore, chairman of Parliament's joint committee on human rights, said it had heard this week 'very worrying' evidence of British complicity in torture of terror suspects in Pakistan.
'We're not talking about MI5 having the pliers to pill people's fingernails out,' he said. 'But the suggestion is there were aware of what's going on, supplying questions and interviewing people immediately after torture.'
Attorney General Baroness Scotland is already consulting prosecutors about unprecedented charges against British officials alleged to have colluded with torture.
Asked about the row, Prime Minister Gordon Brown said: 'Our policy is not to support torture, not to condone any form of torture anywhere.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...-The-truth-torture-row-Guantanamo-Briton.html
Revealed: The truth behind torture row Guantanamo Briton
The British resident at the centre of the torture row met Osama bin Laden while he attended an al Qaeda training camp, according to an FBI document.
Binyam Mohamed was also planning to blow up an apartment block in the United States when he was arrested, investigators claimed.
Mohamed, an Ethiopian who lived in Britain, was arrested in Pakistan and taken to Morocco and Afghanistan where he claims he was tortured.
David Miliband was accused of rolling over in the face of U.S. demands for a cover-up of Mohamed's alleged torture.
The Foreign Secretary is now at the centre of a mounting furore after rejecting calls to press Barack Obama to publish documents detailing his treatment.
Mohamed's legal team has been told the 30-year-old's release from Guantanamo Bay is 'imminent' and arrangements are under way to fly him to Britain.
They described him as close to death after being emaciated by a hunger strike. 'The real worry is that he comes out in a coffin,' said Lt Col Yvonne Bradley, a U.S. military lawyer who saw him last week.
U.S. authorities claim Mohamed fought against anti-Taliban Northern Alliances forces and, because of his UK residency, was selected by Al Qaeda and trained to construct and detonate a radioactive 'dirty bomb'.
He was arrested at Karachi airport as he tried to board a London flight in 2002. His photo had been inserted into another man's genuine British passport.
Ethiopian-born Mohamed, came to London in 1994 as a 16-year-old seeking asylum. He was refused refugee status but granted exceptional leave to remain in 2000.
He studied electronic engineering and got a job as a caretaker in Kensington. He also converted to Islam and attended a mosque frequented by radical Muslims.
The FBI alleged Mohamed watched many jihad videos while working part-time at mosque in 2000.
The next year he is said to have saw Osama bin Laden giving a speech in Afghanistan at the notorious al Farouq camp and it is his presence there that is the crux of his legal battle to have the U.S. papers released.
Mohamed says he had experimented with drugs and went there to kick the habit, and see if the Taliban had produced a good Muslim country.
What followed, said Mohamed, was his entry into what he called a 'ghost prison system' involving stays in Pakistan, Morocco, Afghanistan and Cuba.
Five months were spent at the Dark Prison, a name used by Guantanamo Bay inmates for a secret dungeon near Kabul where rap and dance music blast out 24 hours a day.
While in Morocco he said he was subjected to 18 months of torture.
In graphic accounts given to his lawyers, Mohamed described being hung from walls and ceilings, repeatedly beaten and his penis and chest sliced with a scalpel and hot, stinging liquid poured into the open wounds.
'They cut all over my private parts. One of them said it would be better just to cut it off, as I would only breed terrorists,' he wrote in his diary.
David Miliband refused to press Barack Obama into releasing intelligence material relating to the alleged torture of a former British resident in Guantanamo Bay.
The Foreign Secretary defended his decision to ask the High Court to block the release of information provided by the U.S. relating to the case of Binyam Mohamed.
And he refused to ask the new President to review they approach after two senior judges claimed they had threatened to withdraw co-operation on terrorist intelligence.
'I am not going to join a lobbying campaign against the American government for this decision,' he told the Commons in an emergency statement.
'It is a decision that they have to make given their knowledge of the full facts in respect of the sources that they depend on and the sources that they do not want to compromise.'
Conservatives and Liberal Democrats insisted he should tell President Obama that blocking the papers' release risked tarnishing the reputation of Britain and the U.S.
In stormy Commons exchanges, Mr Miliband faced claims that he asked the High Court to keep the material secret as part of a cover-up aimed at sparing Britain and the U.S. political embarrassment.
Labour MP Andrew Dismore accused him of a 'see no evil, hear no evil' approach over allegations of torture.
Mohamed says he only confessed to the charges against him because he was tortured and says the release of 42 secret documents will prove his claims.
On Wednesday, two senior High Court judges agreed that the U.S. intelligence papers detailing Mohamed's treatment should be suppressed. But Lord Justice Thomas and Mr Justice Lloyd Jones protested they had no choice because the Government had informed them of a 'threat' by the U.S. to withdraw all intelligence cooperation with Britain if they were published by the court.
Yesterday the Foreign Secretary denied the U.S. had 'threatened' to break off cooperation if the papers had been made public.
But he admitted the U.S. had warned their disclosure would be 'likely to result in serious damage to U.S. national security and could harm existing intelligence information-sharing between our two governments'.
Mr Miliband said that was not a threat. Last night Mohamed's lawyers asked the High Court to reopen his case on the basis that the Government provided ' misleading evidence' about the potential consequences of releasing the papers.
Shadow Foreign Secretary William Hague said the court ruling made clear that the material was not 'highly-sensitive, classified United States intelligence'.
'Given the change of administration in the U.S. two weeks ago, the changes in policy that have resulted and the changes in personnel in the CIA, would it not be right to put it to the U.S. administration that it could change its approach to this case?' he said.
Liberal Democrat foreign affairs spokesman Ed Davey said that the decision was about the cover-up of torture.
'The point at question is not a threat to our security coming from terrorists, but a threat to our security coming from our closest ally,' he said.
'The Foreign Secretary should have made it clear to our American friends that this country's opposition to torture meant that we would have nothing to do with intelligence gathered that way.
'But instead, the British Government just rolled over in the face of a scarcely credible threat from a friend.'
Mr Dismore, chairman of Parliament's joint committee on human rights, said it had heard this week 'very worrying' evidence of British complicity in torture of terror suspects in Pakistan.
'We're not talking about MI5 having the pliers to pill people's fingernails out,' he said. 'But the suggestion is there were aware of what's going on, supplying questions and interviewing people immediately after torture.'
Attorney General Baroness Scotland is already consulting prosecutors about unprecedented charges against British officials alleged to have colluded with torture.
Asked about the row, Prime Minister Gordon Brown said: 'Our policy is not to support torture, not to condone any form of torture anywhere.
Copter Doctor
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VP Biden said Obama would be TESTED in the first six months.
Just trying to fill at least ONE CAMPAIGN Promise!!!
Just trying to fill at least ONE CAMPAIGN Promise!!!
Actual article: "Binyam Mohamed was also planning to blow up an apartment block in the United States when he was arrested, investigators claimed."
Blogger's edit: "Binyam Mohamed was planning to blow up an apartment block in the United States when he was arrested."
There's a pretty big difference between the two.
BL225128
Inactive
Not to me, but then I don't automatically count the authorities as lying, and the accused as automatically innocent and incapable of performing the perfidities attributed to him.
kozanne
Inactive
I don't see it.
Utopianwar
A Loon With A Capgun
Same thing that's been on my mind since he announced that he is closing GITMO.
Utopianwar
A Loon With A Capgun
Mens Rea is the term of criminal intent. That is what it is, intent. And if the intent is serious enough then it is a crime.
workerbee
* Winter is Coming *
Quote:
Originally Posted by BigBadBossyDog
I wonder which city will get hit next. It's something I wonder about a lot.
Silly rabbit, there won't be any attack now that Obama has made peace with the terrorists. He loves terrorists, why Bill Ayers is his personal friend!
Originally Posted by BigBadBossyDog
I wonder which city will get hit next. It's something I wonder about a lot.
Silly rabbit, there won't be any attack now that Obama has made peace with the terrorists. He loves terrorists, why Bill Ayers is his personal friend!
Ragenomore
Senior Member
What is really sad is I now have to seriously question everything posted here as news. Thank you Fred.
Utopianwar
A Loon With A Capgun
NO! The pod ppl got you! Please don't, no! I slept I swear I did! 
Rage,
There is no substanative difference between the two sentences.
None!
Save it for something that matters.
Utopianwar
A Loon With A Capgun
You know every time a critic shows the full article, I never see why they got into such a huff in the first place. Because the counter arguments are still appropriate. Funny isn't it? Now I do agree that going to the source is important, but if it says the same point that the rest of us have been driving home, then big whoop. And then others who disagree with us nic pic over irrelevant details, making it sound like it is something that is not.
Utopianwar
A Loon With A Capgun
Exactly!
BL225128
Inactive
Who's saying that this goat herder and his spporters are telling the truth?
No one that I've seen.
dragonslayer2001
Inactive
No
actually Fred is right. The blog is lying and stating something as a fact that appears at this point to only being alleged.
"Oh, now we're doing the 'diss bloggers' thingie. "
Gotta love how the fanatics on this board HATE when someone points out inconsistancies - or outright propaganda and lies.
the guy was hung from walls and had his dick cut open with a scaple (I assume he DOES have the scars to prove this - kinda a hard thing for 'authorities' to lie about ya think?).
Five years of torture.
Don't kid yourselves folks, if something really bad happens to this country and some of these fanatics happen to be on the 'side' of whichever group ends up on top, they'd condone and approve of these tactics used on YOU if they considered you part of the 'enemy'.
Five years in the Great Decider King's torture dungeons. Our forefathers fought against this kind of basic inhumanity - and enshrined the concepts IN THE CONSTITUTION AND BILL OF RIGHTS.
It doesn't matter whether or not this guy or others are Americans or not - you either support the Spirit of OUR LAWS or you don't.
And, oh yeah, let US not forget. Five years. Got any evidence then try the guy and incarcerate him or execute him. Or IF he was only an enemy combatant, put him in a POW camp, same as WE have always done.
actually Fred is right. The blog is lying and stating something as a fact that appears at this point to only being alleged.
"Oh, now we're doing the 'diss bloggers' thingie. "
Gotta love how the fanatics on this board HATE when someone points out inconsistancies - or outright propaganda and lies.
the guy was hung from walls and had his dick cut open with a scaple (I assume he DOES have the scars to prove this - kinda a hard thing for 'authorities' to lie about ya think?).
Five years of torture.
Don't kid yourselves folks, if something really bad happens to this country and some of these fanatics happen to be on the 'side' of whichever group ends up on top, they'd condone and approve of these tactics used on YOU if they considered you part of the 'enemy'.
Five years in the Great Decider King's torture dungeons. Our forefathers fought against this kind of basic inhumanity - and enshrined the concepts IN THE CONSTITUTION AND BILL OF RIGHTS.
It doesn't matter whether or not this guy or others are Americans or not - you either support the Spirit of OUR LAWS or you don't.
And, oh yeah, let US not forget. Five years. Got any evidence then try the guy and incarcerate him or execute him. Or IF he was only an enemy combatant, put him in a POW camp, same as WE have always done.
Not to be a wet blanket, but this is also alleged.
Utopianwar
A Loon With A Capgun
Well I am still getting to know ppl on here, but I have yet to see Kozanne to like that. She has come accross to be very fair, and as accurate as possible. And no, the treatment he went rhough was wrong. But the music was not. Nor would water boarding, that is torture from what I hear, so that torture would have sufficed. Yes it was wrong. But, if someone I cared about were to die because of him, GITMO would be the last place he would have to fear. I have actually loss someone dear to me, and to this day haven't taken revenge though he deserves it. And it takes all of my strength that I have.
Thoughts that I fight...
Long slender glass tube...
Bottle of viagra...
Whisky...
Sedative...
But no. I fight it. But seriously, I can only fight so much of it. Now would that make it right? No. I would be wrong for it, and God would deal with me for it. But that is not the point about him being released. We do need to have some tacs that work. But not that kind and that is assuming that it is true. Assuming it wasn't self inflicted, assuming it wasn't done to him before GITMO. The ppl at GITMO are allegedly guilty.
Utopianwar
A Loon With A Capgun
Not to be a wet blanket, but this is also alleged.
True. Though a lot of times being alledged the person is still guilty, and I have no doubt that he was tortured. If he gave them all info they needed then they needed to put a bullet in his head and be done with it.
Flippper
Time Traveler
I agree. And people will remember in who's yard they saw those campaign signs. I think it will rival the French Revolution for bloodbath. The PTB will all go to their Mt. Weather's to sit out the storm while the useless eaters destroy one another.
As for which city will be hit if they do it that way? I think they will hit multiple cities. The 5 biggest at least. The Islamists have unlimited funds and plenty of horny virgin seekers to do the dirty work. It could be nukes, it could be bioweapons. It could be a combination of those and even the possibility of a hostage situation in the Oval Office. It's all just formalities to get our Constitution officially altered while we're distracted by the chaos.
Why an illegal alien, why a black man in the White House? Who do you think we'll be fighting in this civil war? A good chunk of illegal aliens and blacks are liberal. Interesting coincidence.
Order out of chaos. And Kissinger smiles.
