Story Starting Over ... and Over and Over

Sammy55

Veteran Member
Just checking in for 3 reasons:

1) To inquire how you are doing Kathy.....to let you know you are still in my thoughts and prayers, and hoping that the pain and frustration are lessoning.

2) To push the MOAR button (that hasn't been pushed for a few days.) Surprise!!

3) To set off another chain reaction of "you made me look!"

LOLOLOL!! (I wonder who will be the first taker......)
 

Lake Lili

Veteran Member
LOL... Made me look!

Hope the pain is easing and that you are beginning to feel better... middle-creaky is a tough age... Hope the dragon is helping out

F5, F5...

Lili
 

Freebirde

Senior Member
Made me look too, so I will pass that along.

Been rereading stories on Kathy's blog. Just the completed ones at first. Discovered that I had only read the first couple of chapters "Best Laid Plans...", on chapter 18 now. Emma had some rat terriers in that story.
 

Sportsman

Veteran Member
Oh Kathy? Kathy? Are you OK? We're not sending the f5 love messages, but you're in your fan's prayers.

People are getting a little worried about you. Hope you're just too busy to deal with writing and not suffering another setback from the pinched nerve.
 

Rabbit

Has No Life - Lives on TB
Oh Kathy? Kathy? Are you OK? We're not sending the f5 love messages, but you're in your fan's prayers.

People are getting a little worried about you. Hope you're just too busy to deal with writing and not suffering another setback from the pinched nerve.

Ditto!
 

Sammy55

Veteran Member
Oh Kathy? Kathy? Are you OK? We're not sending the f5 love messages, but you're in your fan's prayers.

People are getting a little worried about you. Hope you're just too busy to deal with writing and not suffering another setback from the pinched nerve.

Ditto 2!!
 

Wildwood

Veteran Member
I went back to refresh my memory with Fel and Linderhall and ended up rereading both stories. I enjoyed them so much much, I decided to read Over the Mountains and Through the Fire. Oh my goodness, it is my new all time favorite book ever and I've read hundreds, if not thousands, over the years.

I loved it so much, I reread it as soon as I finished it...all 97 chapters and if I had time, I would read it again. I've never reread a book as soon as I finished it before but it was just that good. Funny thing is, I couldn't put it down the second time either. I was in such a hurry the first time that I missed a lot details. I was having withdrawals today and reread a couple of my favorite chapters and almost got sucked in again lol. Kathy you are talented!

If I've inspired anyone to read Over the Mountains, keep in mind it is a long story and it takes several chapters to really set it up so keep reading. I'd started it once before and decided it wasn't my kind of book so didn't get past the first chapter or two. I was wrong!!!

Thank you for the wonderful stories Kathy! Don't let us pressure you...they are worth the wait!
 

Scorpania

Contributing Member
Hi Wildwood, Thank you for the endorsement of Kathy's stories. I clicked on where it says to find her stories "HERE" but all I can see are the end chapters of the stories that say they are complete.
guess I'm just old and not tech savy - -could you please tell me the secret of how to get to the first chapter of a story. Thank you.
 

Rabbit

Has No Life - Lives on TB
Over The Mountains And Through The Fire is one of my favorite Kathy stories. Reading it again is a nice idea. I sure hope Kathy is on the mend.
 

kua

Veteran Member
Maine, I agree. "This is Me Surviving" just has something about it. I also enjoy "Up On Hartford Hill" (did I get that name right?). But I will read what ever she writes.
 

notyoung

Contributing Member
Kathy's blog stories

Hi Wildwood, Thank you for the endorsement of Kathy's stories. I clicked on where it says to find her stories "HERE" but all I can see are the end chapters of the stories that say they are complete.
guess I'm just old and not tech savy - -could you please tell me the secret of how to get to the first chapter of a story. Thank you.

That blog's format is fine if you're following a story as it is written because you will see the latest post when you go there.

That format is not good for a completed story as you muist trace your way backward through the monthly postings until you get to the first chapter and then retrace that path to read them. I have done that for a few stories that were highly rated and not available elsewhere but not recently.

I think much of Kathy's work is worthy of publication (I've certainly paid for things that weren't as well written). That could be a mutual admiration society, as she said some very positive things about one of my stories on another site (I'm sure she'll remember "Accidental Family" and PDFs ;-)
 

Darkwolf

Contributing Member
That blog's format is fine if you're following a story as it is written because you will see the latest post when you go there.

That format is not good for a completed story as you muist trace your way backward through the monthly postings until you get to the first chapter and then retrace that path to read them. I have done that for a few stories that were highly rated and not available elsewhere but not recently.

I think much of Kathy's work is worthy of publication (I've certainly paid for things that weren't as well written). That could be a mutual admiration society, as she said some very positive things about one of my stories on another site (I'm sure she'll remember "Accidental Family" and PDFs ;-)

I love almost all of Kathy's stories (I just can't get into zombie stories). I also love your stories and have read them a few times also.

Thanks to both of you.
 

Old Gray Mare

TB Fanatic
I think much of Kathy's work is worthy of publication (I've certainly paid for things that weren't as well written). ;-)
Now how can we convince Kathy of that? Kathy if we start a go-fund-me how much would it take....?

Just a thought. ;) and yes we like your work that much!
 

RememberGoliad

Veteran Member
Kathy, I hope all's going as okay as it can for you. Take your time---but not too much of it ;) --- and when you can, a bit of moar would be greatly appreciated!

I gotta say, though, with this "fast" you've provided us, you're turning us all into a bunch of MOAR-ons.... :D :lkick: :prfl:
 

Sammy55

Veteran Member
I agree! I'd buy any published stories of Kathy's! I have read all of them (except the zombie ones), and some of them I've read several times. I'd buy her books in a heartbeat!!

Kathy.........hope you are healthy and doing good! We miss you!! (And not only for your stories, but they do play a big part!!)
 

maineforlife

Contributing Member
Mjotzy is one of Kathy's best pieces of fiction. The depth of character/plot etc. is astounding. She draws you in and you begin to care about the lives of these characters. Few other authors can do that in a journal/diary format. For those who haven't read MJOTZY, you are missing out. Kathy made me cry.
 

Sportsman

Veteran Member
Many of us have had this same discussion with Kathy years ago. I'm not speaking for her, but as I remember it. She considers her writing to be a gift and most importantly, she uses it as a diversion, relief, relaxation method. She loves sharing her stories with everyone for free, and I easily understand that. She doesn't want it to transition to another "job" with the stress of churning out chapters.
 
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Sammy55

Veteran Member
Many of us have had this same discussion with Kathy years ago. I'm not speaking for her, but as I remember it. She considers her writing to be a gift and most importantly, she uses it as a diversion, relief, relaxation method. She loves sharing her stories with everyone for free, and I easily understand that. She doesn't want it to transition to another "job" with the stress of churning out chapters.

I know this about Kathy and can understand. I just want to let her know I'd buy her books in a heartbeat!!

I have taken the time to copy and paste the chapters of some of my favorites of her books onto a word document and saved it on my computer. That way, I can read them again if there is no internet. But it took a lot of time to do that, and I wouldn't dream of printing it out due to the cost of paper and ink! So I'd buy some of her books if she did go the publishing route. I don't want to depend on the internet in case it goes down (which it probably will someday).
 

notyoung

Contributing Member
Getting Kathy to publish

Now how can we convince Kathy of that? Kathy if we start a go-fund-me how much would it take....?

Just a thought. ;) and yes we like your work that much!

If you have someone who can be your proofreader (my retired school teacher wife is mine), there's no cost to publish in Kindle format - just your time to format the text as they want it.

First, you get the story in Word (or one of the free equivalents) because that's the input format KIndle wants. Word (and the others) can also catch *most* of the spelling and grammar mistakes - but iWord doesn't always handle conversation well and Word 2003 sometimes wants to replace "you're" with "you is". It will catch the doubled words "the the" that authors just don't see because they know what's supposed to be there ;-)

Then you have a picky person proofread. Someone who will tell you "This doesn't make sense" or "Can you make this simpler?" or "I don't think she'd say/do that". It's also nice if your proofreader has a big vocabulary and knows "your" from "you're", "might" from "mite" and how to do possessives. Things that get mostly ignored on forum postings will be complained about by buyers.

Then you do the Kindle formatting - followed by spell and grammar check again and you will need the proofreader again because you're certain to see something that "could be better".

Then you pick one of the generic Kindle covers (free) or you find an artist on fiverr.com that can do a sketch from a text description (the cover of "An Accidental Family" cost me $20 and I had it in a couple of weeks - see it here: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01LVU5ILA )

Then you publish (optimum price seems to be $2.99 but free is also an option which could get her stories to more people) and hope that some of the forum readers will buy and promote by word of mouth (I think Kathy is covered for that ;-) Just remember that while the editing/formatting is in progress, she probably won't be writing much - if any - new stuff.

If you don't have a proofreader that you can bribe with a meal, the available online proofreaders get expensive very quickly because 1) they charge by the word and 2) most want something they can finish quickly so they can get to the next job. I didn't find many that were interested in long books ("An Accidental Family" is 800 pages in Kindle format) so having my "in house" proofreader was a good thing. If you must pay a proofreader, a "Go Fund Me" page might be needed.

How many dozen stories has Kathy written? And does she have copies of all of them on her computer or must she go retrieve them from an online source? Maybe do a poll for the Top 10 and she could start with those?
 
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jekoby

Member
I agree about the blog format being a bit annoying to read. But - I love her stories enough that I've gone through her blog and copy/pasted all of her completed stories into word documents - then converted those to Kindle format so I can read them on my Kindle. Years ago, somewhere, Kathy had said she didn't care as long as it was for personal use only. I've copied many of her "not" completed stories too - with notes as to where they ended - in anticipation of someday getting a finished story. I'm doing that with this current story now - I hate reading in bits and pieces, so once it's done, I'll read it as a complete book.

I am an avid reader, and I've read thousands of books - and I have to agree that her books are well worthy of publication - they could easily hold their own against most authors. But if that isn't what she desires, I'm just grateful to be able to enjoy them this way. My all time favorite story is Mom's Journal of the Zombie Years (and Zombie's are NOT my thing) - even without an ending. I have it split into two parts, because the entire novel is NOT on her blog - there are a ton of chapters that are here that are not on her blog, and I didn't discover that for years after reading it several times. I took the "missing" chapters and called it Part 2 - and it's almost as long as Part 1, which is incredible. I usually end up re-reading it every year - it's just that good. I also really love This is Me Surviving, but all of her stories are immensely enjoyable. I was overjoyed when she made her way back to us.
 

Wildwood

Veteran Member
I'd also buy Kathy's books. Maybe we could get volunteers to help with proofreading if she doesn't have time. Who better than those who love them to pitch in if she would like to go that route. As long as some of those stories are, it would take her way too much time to get them ready for publishing as busy as she is. I'd love to see her get some monetary compensation for that talent even though that is not what she is after. As big as her volume of work is now, she could go years on what's already or nearly finished.

It's funny that we all love different books best.
 

no1yuno

Contributing Member
Praying that things improve in your life soon. You have had way too many things piled upon you. I sincerely hope your health improves soon.
 

Remedy

Member
First chapter

Hi Wildwood, Thank you for the endorsement of Kathy's stories. I clicked on where it says to find her stories "HERE" but all I can see are the end chapters of the stories that say they are complete.
guess I'm just old and not tech savy - -could you please tell me the secret of how to get to the first chapter of a story. Thank you.

Scorpania I don't know if your question of getting to the first chapter was answered. I'll try.

After you open the chosen story, you'll see blog archive on the right side margin. Find the oldest month and click on the down arrow. This should then expand to show the chapters for that month. Click chapter 1 and read away! When you get to the end, after any comments, click the "newer post " option and you should go to the next chapter.


Kathy, hope you are well. Your talent is immeasurable and loved.

We remain awaiting your return.

Remedy
 

notyoung

Contributing Member
Question about Mom's Journal of the Zombie Years

I saw a reference to that story in this thread and I'm looking for the rest of the story. What I found goes through Day 287 (one of the boys has leukemia) but it stops rather abruptly.

Does anyone know how long the story is or where the rest of it might be?

Thanks.

Sorry if a new post got your hopes up.
 

Freebirde

Senior Member
It is not finished there either. It is farther along than her blog, but a little different. A lot of comments, she stops posting about page 300 and the thread has 364 pages.
 

Catshooter

Contributing Member
. . . and she's gone. *sigh*

But, I'm pretty sure Kathy will be back. Personally, I can hardly imagine how she can write at all. Let alone do her own editing (extremely difficult) and still write such quality work and a huge volume of it. On top of that: she has a life! Being self-employed is a cake walk, everybody knows (those who've tried it for sure) that you just sit around all day, smoke some dope and eat bon-bons while the cash just rolls effortlessly in. :)

Plus she's got 36 or 37 kids and a husband she's raising to boot. :)

So I really can't feature how she can do it all.

But for now, she's gone again. I think she probably feels worse about being gone than even us MOAR hounds do. That's saying something too. But, she'll be back. It may be tomorrow, it may be in four years but she'll come back.


So, we wait. I personally can't promise patience, but I'll try.


Come back when you can Kathy!


Cat
 

notyoung

Contributing Member
Re: Mom's Journal and proofreading for publication

Thank you for the pointers. The last post I found was Day 346 and it ends with:

"If we've come this far in a year, what are the coming days, weeks, and months going to bring? Maybe I should only worry about today and tomorrow. There is plenty enough to deal with for that without begging problems I don't even know about yet."

That could be an acceptable closing even if there is no "The End" but it's nice to have a defined "end".

For those offering to be proofreaders, I went through this story editing it as I would one of my stories for publication. It's a LONG story at more than 767,000 words. 60,000 words is considered "novel" length (even if some of the Harry Potter books were twice that or more). On that basis, Mom's Journal is a 12 book series. I put all the changes (spelling, punctuation, possessives, singular vs plural, missing words, doubled words, etc - the types of errors I or my proofreader had found in the draft of my first book) inside [] because I have a tool that can count character usage in a document. There were 2197 corrections in those 767,000 words or one correction for every 335 words. With tools like this, yes, I take publishing very seriously as my real name would be on the work for the world to see, even if it was priced at $0.99.

Think about your attentive reading speed - not the skimming you do to quickly get the meat of the next chapter but the speed when you actually look at every sentence and each word in that sentence - put on your 9th grade English teacher glasses and pick up your red pencil ;-) When you come up with your "words per minute", divide 60,000 by that number to see how long it would take you to proofread a typical novel and remember that Kathy's epic sagas can easily run several times that long.

There were a few sentences that I could not decipher, whether because of my outlook, something in regional usage (Southerners don't use the same words in the same ways as Notherners or Californians) or there were just enough characters/words missing for it to make no sense to me. Had Kathy been available, I would have PM'd the paragraph to ask what she intended. Expect to encounter something similar in any proofreading - you will need access to the author for clarification. If it's something that was written 9 years ago (some of the postings were in Sept 2009) the author might need to reread more than just that paragraph to put the text in question into its proper perspective.

If you think I'm trying to make proofreading sound like hard work, you're right ;-) Properly done, you'll be questioning your favorite author's handling of every word - but paying customers don't want to see "a" where there should be "an" or "it" where there should be "if" or "buy" where there should be "but". You want the readers to give the book a positive review. A small number of people give an honest review of every book they read but people seem more likely to complain than to praise unless a book really touches them. Been there; saw that; have copies of the reviews.
 

sssarawolf

Has No Life - Lives on TB
What's funny is I still find things like that in professionally proof read books.'when where there should be a went' 'ore instead of or' etc. etc. But it is hard, even me going over my books several times and dh and me again, we still miss things.
 

Catshooter

Contributing Member
Excellent post notyoung and you make one of my points exactly. Proofreading is hard work. Proofing your own work? Oh man.

I think one correction per 335 words is impressive. Especially under the circumstances.


Cat
 

notyoung

Contributing Member
Proofreading

Excellent post notyoung and you make one of my points exactly. Proofreading is hard work. Proofing your own work? Oh man.

I think one correction per 335 words is impressive. Especially under the circumstances.


Cat

I agree that the error rate is small but spelling errors can be caught in process - Word (or the freebies such as LibreOffice and OpenOffice) can check your spelling and *some* of your grammar - and at least Word can also do Autosave so you don't lose more than a few minutes' work if the PC crashes.

Only a human eye will see the easy typos of "buy" vs "but" (one-key-off typing) or a character's name changing from "Maya" to "Myra" and back again in a few paragraphs (harder to keep straight if characters have similar names such as Sally and Sarah - after the first two letters the rest may be automatic).

Authors may not see these things because they know "what's supposed to be there". One tool that helps some people is a text to speech reader because they will hear the words that are actually there - but that doesn't help with "here" vs "hear" and it takes MUCH longer than reading silently. When to use "Jack and I" vs "Jack and me" depends on the sentence construction and English has different rules than German or French (although English is probably a dialect of German from long ago).

Even with two people doing multiple passes, the draft of the prolog of my first book was missing a word. Yes, proofreading is hard.

Grammarly.com has a free grammar/spell checker (with sentence construction checks and a lot more goodies for $140/year) but it's limited to 60 pages or 100,000 characters - that would mean doing a separate check on every couple of chapters for many of Kathy's stories.

Considering the size of her works, a GoFundMe page may be in order...
 

Catshooter

Contributing Member
Oh Kathy has said many times that she has no interest in getting published. She just likes her work to be correct.


Cat
 

notyoung

Contributing Member
Then don't tell Kathy, but having her work on a public forum is being "published" ;-)
Not in the traditional sense of paper books and brick & mortar bookstores, but published in the 21st century. If she wants "correct", I doubt that there's a more broadly knowledgeable group than the people here.

If she wants to give the stories away, a price of $0.00 is valid for Kindle books.

If you consider the number of "Where is this story?" and "How do I find the rest of this story?" and "How do I get to the beginning of this story?" requests, having all the stories gussied up and polished and in one place (Amazon) would allow her to share the information with more people and in a much more portable format than the forums. I can get "Mom's Journal" into a tablet-readable format but not everyone can. The Kindle version of a story can have active links to any or all forums of interest, so those readers could also be pointed to the current forum stories.

Consider how simple it would be to point someone asking about "Mother Hen's stuff" to an author page on Amazon where all the stories were located - and all in their completed form.

She could have "boxed sets" where all the stories about a given person, group, location or subject are together - that might match some of her characters' organizational tendencies ;-)

I'll be the first to admit it's a LOT of time-consuming work. Even with others doing the proofreading, all the choices about changes fall back on the author - she may want the younger kids to continue to say "I wanna" or "Do I hafta?" or one of the adults to have a particular dialect and those things usually aren't understood by spelling and grammar checkers - but they do make the people more believable.
 
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