GUNS/RLTD Sig Sauer STILL doesn’t have the bugs out…

OldArcher

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”Sig Sauer, now American maker of fine firearms, has a problem. Well it’s had a problem with this pistols derived from the P320, since before it was adopted by the US Army, and later, the rest of the US Military…

At times, it has a tendency to fire, without depressing a trigger. No, too many times, too many people, for Alec Baldwin to have sneaked around pulling triggers on unwary shooters. No, this story is but the latest of a list of people injured by the Sig Sauer P320 replacement of the Beretta M9. Because of politics, the P320 and its military variants, the P320-M17 and P320-M18, were chosen over the reliable Gen 5 Glock 17, to replace the Beretta M9. These military Sig Sauer pistols have also suffered unintended discharges, injuring military personnel.

Don’t get me wrong- their rifles, and many of their pistols, are top notch. However, they, Sig Sauer have not learned how to, nor managed how to, master the striker fired system, similar to Glocks. Politics and money forced the contract to go to Sig Sauer, instead of the other contenders for the Modular Combat Handgun System. Will they, Sig Sauer finally master this ongoing problem? Who knows? Right now, on a smaller scale, it’s as unreliable as a V/C 22, a Boeing 737 MAX, or anything else the military buys for the wrong reasons…

Seven more gun owners allege Sig Sauer’s P320 fired without trigger pull​

New Hampshire Public Radio | By Todd Bookman
Published February 29, 2024 at 5:00 PM EST
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Sig Sauer's P320 pistol
New Hampshire gun maker Sig Sauer is facing another round of civil lawsuits alleging the company’s P320 pistol fired without a trigger pull, causing serious injuries.
The new court filing, which includes allegations made by seven victims from across the country, marks the latest litigation involving the P320. In this and dozens of other cases, lawyers contend the gun has a design flaw that can cause unintentional discharges without a trigger pull.
Sig Sauer did not respond to a request for comment, but the company has previously stated the weapon is safe.
“The plaintiffs in this action are a group of highly trained and experienced firearms users whose lives were upended by a dangerously defective pistol: the Sig Sauer P320,” lawyers for the victims allege in court paperwork.
Among those now suing the gun company is Jorge Luis Munoz Palacios, a police officer in Puerto Rico, who claims his holstered P320 discharged in a Walgreens parking lot in 2022 as he seated himself in a vehicle. Palacios had to undergo surgery to remove a bullet from his left leg, according to court paperwork.
Other alleged victims include, Ray Tillotson, a New Jersey police officer who says his department-issued P320 discharged while he was practicing at a gun range.
John Mazur-Baker, a Marine Corps veteran now living in Michigan, claims his holstered P320 discharged as he removed his belt.
“Mr. Mazur-Baker now has a permanent limp, deformities on his right leg, and scarring to both legs. He suffered a heart attack due to this incident,” the suit alleges.
In 2017, a prominent online gun shop raised concerns about the P320’s risk of firing when dropped from certain angles, which helped to prompt the company to launch a voluntary upgrade of the gun including hardware changes to the trigger and striker.
Sig Sauer has previously settled lawsuits involving alleged discharges, and the company successfully blocked a proposed class action lawsuit that centered on financial harm for P320 owners.
“The P320 meets and exceeds all US safety standards,” Sig Sauer says on its website, adding that “all precautions should be taken to avoid dropping a loaded firearm. Although extremely unlikely, it is still possible for any loaded firearm to discharge when dropped.”

Seven more gun owners allege Sig Sauer’s P320 fired without trigger pull​

New Hampshire Public Radio | By Todd Bookman
Published February 29, 2024 at 5:00 PM EST
picture of gun

TexasWarhawk/Wikimedia Commons
Sig Sauer's P320 pistol
New Hampshire gun maker Sig Sauer is facing another round of civil lawsuits alleging the company’s P320 pistol fired without a trigger pull, causing serious injuries.
The new court filing, which includes allegations made by seven victims from across the country, marks the latest litigation involving the P320. In this and dozens of other cases, lawyers contend the gun has a design flaw that can cause unintentional discharges without a trigger pull.
Sig Sauer did not respond to a request for comment, but the company has previously stated the weapon is safe.
“The plaintiffs in this action are a group of highly trained and experienced firearms users whose lives were upended by a dangerously defective pistol: the Sig Sauer P320,” lawyers for the victims allege in court paperwork.
Among those now suing the gun company is Jorge Luis Munoz Palacios, a police officer in Puerto Rico, who claims his holstered P320 discharged in a Walgreens parking lot in 2022 as he seated himself in a vehicle. Palacios had to undergo surgery to remove a bullet from his left leg, according to court paperwork.
Other alleged victims include, Ray Tillotson, a New Jersey police officer who says his department-issued P320 discharged while he was practicing at a gun range.
John Mazur-Baker, a Marine Corps veteran now living in Michigan, claims his holstered P320 discharged as he removed his belt.
“Mr. Mazur-Baker now has a permanent limp, deformities on his right leg, and scarring to both legs. He suffered a heart attack due to this incident,” the suit alleges.
In 2017, a prominent online gun shop raised concerns about the P320’s risk of firing when dropped from certain angles, which helped to prompt the company to launch a voluntary upgrade of the gun including hardware changes to the trigger and striker.
Sig Sauer has previously settled lawsuits involving alleged discharges, and the company successfully blocked a proposed class action lawsuit that centered on financial harm for P320 owners.
“The P320 meets and exceeds all US safety standards,” Sig Sauer says on its website, adding that “all precautions should be taken to avoid dropping a loaded firearm. Although extremely unlikely, it is still possible for any loaded firearm to discharge when dropped.”

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People should seriously look at the Generation 5 handguns from Glock. Me? I have two Gen 5 Glock 47’s and a Gen 5 Glock 26. A few enhancements, like the Glock Enhanced Trigger, Ameriglo tritium night sights, and for the 47’s, Surefire’s X300T lights. Holsters for the 47‘s, Alien Gear, dual parallel shoulder holster, and a DeSantis Slim-Tuk holster for the ‘26.

It’s your life. Don’t bet it on the Sig Sauer P320 or 320-M17 or 320-M18 line of handguns, UNTIL they get the bugs worked out…

OA
 

Housecarl

On TB every waking moment
What the absolute hell?!?!?!

The striker fired semi-auto pistol goes back to the Borchardt C-93 of 1893 (that was developed into the Luger Parabellum) and John Browning's FN1899/1900 pistol which just about covers all the bases. That's over a hundred and twenty-five years people.

 

nebb

Veteran Member
Mines been fine, bought in 2015 and carried daily for 5-6 yrs. More accurate than I am. Carry a Kimber micro 9 most of the time but still have my 320.
 

Griz3752

Retired, practising Curmudgeon
The first SIG I've ever heard of with "issues" but. I have never even handled one. I think I'll see if one of the local ranges has one in the rental pool.
 

Squib

Veteran Member
Back out of the contract and go back to the betta pistol or better yet go back to the 1911 in .45ACP at lest it works and making spare parts seem easy to make.

Carried an Sig P-226 starting in the late 80’s…replaced my duty firearm, a Beretta 92…Never had a problem with the Sig, or the Beretta…but I preferred the Sig.

But I’ve carried a 1911, either government or Commander, as a citizen and never felt out gunned or lacking at all…

That was before eventually switching to Glocks many years ago…just never really saw the Glocks fail…I know they do…everything does, but the Glock is about as close to perfect as we’re likely gonna get.

Also, for double taps…the consistent trigger pull of the Glock was worlds better than the Sig’s double action then single action pull when shooting similar drills.
 

Publius

TB Fanatic
When it comes to Glock it seems to be luck of the draw as I seen a number of reports of issues with them and parts being cracked or broken, local sheriff says the trigger guard is easily broken and has a collection of Glocks that are no longer serviceable or safe to use or carry. Glock has a department just for hunting down photos and articles they do not like and go about scrubbing it from the internet.
I have never handled a Sig I have handled a Beretta in the gun store but never shot one, the grip is way to fat for my liking so I put it down and never looked back.
 

Squib

Veteran Member
When it comes to Glock it seems to be luck of the draw as I seen a number of reports of issues with them and parts being cracked or broken, local sheriff says the trigger guard is easily broken and has a collection of Glocks that are no longer serviceable or safe to use or carry. Glock has a department just for hunting down photos and articles they do not like and go about scrubbing it from the internet.
I have never handled a Sig I have handled a Beretta in the gun store but never shot one, the grip is way to fat for my liking so I put it down and never looked back.

I felt it was too fat also…but back in the mid-late 80‘s, everyone seemed to be putting those thick Pachmayr grips on which made them feel even fatter.
 

Red Baron

Paleo-Conservative
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Also, for double taps…the consistent trigger pull of the Glock was worlds better than the Sig’s double action then single action pull when shooting similar drills.
Jeff Cooper called a DA/SA pistol a "crunchen-ticker" IIRC.
 

OldArcher

Has No Life - Lives on TB
What the absolute hell?!?!?!

The striker fired semi-auto pistol goes back to the Borchardt C-93 of 1893 (that was developed into the Luger Parabellum) and John Browning's FN1899/1900 pistol which just about covers all the bases. That's over a hundred and twenty-five years people.


And? Sig Sauer STILL hasn’t got it…

OA
 

Grumphau

Veteran Member
I was just held a used one at my LGS yesterday. It seems like a well made pistol but it does seem to have a reputation.
 

Thinwater

Firearms Manufacturer
I thought this was BS when first reported re this going off by itself. I figured it was user error. Then I saw a video at a police station of one going off in a holster not even being touched.

I still carry a Sig 365 in my pocket as backup to my Glock. Sometimes I leave it in my desk at work and carry a Kimber ,357 pocket size revolver
 

Shroom

Contributing Member
I thought this was BS when first reported re this going off by itself. I figured it was user error. Then I saw a video at a police station of one going off in a holster not even being touched.

I still carry a Sig 365 in my pocket as backup to my Glock. Sometimes I leave it in my desk at work and carry a Kimber ,357 pocket size revolver
How well would you compare the trigger pull of the Kimber to a S&W or Ruger?
 

Thinwater

Firearms Manufacturer
How well would you compare the trigger pull of the Kimber to a S&W or Ruger?
Considering that it is hammerless, double action only, it is not bad. I only have S&W revolvers to compare it to and it is at least as good but I never put them side by side to compare them.
 
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