As for the one who said you don't believe in viruses - umm can you show me what a virus is - so we can identify it. No one has convinced me a virus is what they describe it to be. If it is pathogenic then we should be able to isolate it - even if its just excreted toxins.
CORONA SHOCKING: BIG PHARMA Received Emergency Use Approval a Couple of Weeks Ago for COVID Variant Discovered a Couple Days Ago?
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and we come full circle back to 80+% little to no symptoms, 97+% survivability depending on ones age...
not to mention, right back to there never being a vax for the common cold (Coronavirus/same family) because it mutates to much, but lets not let that stop massive profits and a good experiment.
Border Collie Dad
Flat Earther
I don't think I'm the one you should be asking.
Viruses may exist
But, I agree with the rest of your statement
DazedandConfused
Veteran Member
Build back better !
Thats where there is a disconnect between medicine and general public--pharma is going to do what pharma does. I don't think there is disagreement from medical folks and the public on their goals.
Looking at any disease as a "you live or you die" doesn't capture the full impact and destruction it causes. Yes, I agree 85% are likely going to have a mild disease with little to no long term effects. Yes, 2-3% will die from covid based on comorbidities and age--that is also true. But what about the other 12-15% who have serious or critical disease? A large portion of them will permanent consequences from the infection. Chronic lung tissue scarring resulting in COPD; higher risk of thrombosis, chronic fatigue, sleep disorders, mental fog--those that are most serious ill but survive have a high likelihood of having ICU related PTSD. Those are real, often permanent conditions that change patients lives, their ability to live quality/meaningful lives and will result in higher mortality over the years. There are several on TB who have had serious to severe disease--simply ask them about their experience and if they still have complications from it.
Smallpox had a CFR of 3%, but had many permanent related conditions. Mumps has a 1% CFR largely due to encephalitis but in a larger population can cause sterility-a pretty big deal to most.
There are many things worse than death that we see with COVID. Its difficult to see it distilled down to a 97%+ number.
As far as why we don't have a vaccine for a common cold, it is because it doesn't cause severe disease. You don't have long term effects from seasonal colds because we have reached an endemic status. That will eventually happen with Covid as well, but the way through to that is immunity (note, I didn't say vaccines as that is only one way to get immunity!) We will have variants that will adapt to try to overcome immunity. Thats what they do. If a variant comes out that does that you may get to roll the dice again and hope you don't become one of those 12-15% (or 3% who die), and again, and again until it reaches endemic state. Mutations-and thus variants-occur in pools of people where it can multiply relatively unimpeded. In omicron that is in Africa where vaccine/natural infection is likely in the 20% range at best so 80% are able to contract the virus, allow it to replicate over and over until the body overcomes it or the patient dies, allowing multiple cycles of reproduction and possible mutation. I hope that omicron is quite infectious but with much less severe disease. That would be like a natural vaccine for those populations of unvaccinated/without natural immunity in the world.
But thats just my take on it.
Samuel Adams
Has No Life - Lives on TB
Hear, Hear !!!
And let’s not let it slip under the rug that, the fastest and surest way to destroy your neighbor and your progeny is to continue funding the wet dreams of said grand thieves.
Obedience, in any degree, is now consent to murder.
They lie. They lie all the time.
rafter
Since 1999
Is it mild in Africa because they take ivermectin on a regular basis and thus it stays mild? What happens in a country (like here 
) that shuns ivermectin use as 'horse wormer'? Time will tell if it stays mild or is a killer, and no way will the US condone ivermectin, they will just let people die. It works better for their plan.
) that shuns ivermectin use as 'horse wormer'? Time will tell if it stays mild or is a killer, and no way will the US condone ivermectin, they will just let people die. It works better for their plan.
Ractivist
Pride comes before the fall.....Pride month ended.
Something AI might do........I wonder at times. Such a know it all and quick to respond with articles. By no way is this a compliment, as the platform he represents is the wrong foundation. AI is being used in such places today, why not here?
BUBBAHOTEPT
Veteran Member
Question for you. What do you think of the Novavax vaccine?
He is a real person. I've been friends with his wife for around 15 years. I don't understand why everyone thinks he's a bot just because they don't like what he says.
bw
Fringe Ranger
Groupthink.
subnet
Boot
Pharma is going to do what pharma does?
Only because the general public and the bought out .gov allow them to do what they do, without consequence.
Ok 12-15% serious disease/permanent issues, does that qualify shutting down/fundamentally changing a nations economy and quite possibly sending a whole nation of people into poverty, in one way or another?
Which leads me to, what about all those in the VAERS system and its global equivalents showing all the deaths and permanent health issues, they are said to be under reported, due to either laziness or just plain time constraints...why are they ignored, what are the actual percentages and what is the math showing the 12-15% vs the adverse events...will we even get a real number that we can trust ?
If we are going to play the math game we need all the info or its BS.
And as far as the common cold and a vaxx, basically you are saying there is no money in it, but following the current trend of jabbing the hell out of people, im thinking that might be wrong now...scare the hell out of the population and watch them grovel for help and give up all they hold dear for the hollow promise of said help/protection.
Thank you for your take, much appreciated.
A more traditional approach. Should be as effective as the mrna or J&J. If people feel better about it its a good thing.
BUBBAHOTEPT
Veteran Member
Yes, I think people would feel better about on numerous fact based levels.. 