ENER Secretary of Energy just declared a nationwide EV Public Charging Infrastructure Network

[Kathy in FL]

But then there is this….

Tesla poised to open its Supercharger network to other electric vehicles

Tesla Inc. is trying to tap into public funding to build electric-vehicle chargers, as it moves to open some of its U.S. Supercharger network to EVs made by...

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Tesla poised to open its Supercharger network to other electric vehicles
Published: July 24, 2022 at 7:27 p.m. ET

Tesla Inc. is trying to tap into public funding to build electric-vehicle chargers, as it moves to open some of its U.S. Supercharger network to EVs made by other manufacturers.

The EV-market leader is bidding for a portion of billions in federal and state dollars that are up for grabs in coming years as the Biden administration, auto makers and many states try to accelerate a fast-charger build-out along highways to reassure drivers that they can travel without fear of losing power.

Tesla TSLA, +1.11% already has a national network of fast chargers for its own drivers, but they aren’t available to other types of vehicles in the U.S. For a year, the company has said it plans to open its U.S. network to others, though details about timing and whether it would open existing stations or new ones have been sparse. Recent regulatory filings and other documents indicate that the company is applying for public funding that, if granted, would require access by other makers of EVs to the network.

In June, California’s energy-agency staff proposed awarding Tesla $6.4 million toward building chargers in rural areas, according to grant documents. The company also applied for charging grants in Texas last November, though it didn’t win funding there, which was given to the first companies that applied, other documents show.

According to a White House fact sheet in late June, Tesla will by year-end “begin production of new Supercharger equipment that will enable non-Tesla EV drivers in North America to use Tesla Superchargers.”

An expanded version of this report appears on WSJ.com.

Only if the other vehicles can retrofit to tesla's model of charger.

Tesla owns the chargers, not Wawa. So Tesla will make the money off of the charging stations. So they'll says, "Sure, come use our chargers ... after you change your unit on the car and pay a premium to use our charging stations."

Or you could join their "unlimited" service and spend 45 minutes to an hour charging your vehicle. That's after you've waited however long to take your turn.

 

[Kris Gandillon]

They've already tried that. It doesn't mean anything because if it isn't a tesla, it can't use the "supercharging" feature which means you are on a slowboat to nowhere and will be several hours recharging a non-tesla EV.

My Bolt will add 100 miles of charge in 30 minutes, 200 miles in an hour on a Tesla SuperCharger with the adapter. This is published info but is based on simple math of known aspects of what the SuperCharger can deliver and how fast the Bolt charging system can absorb it.

A Tesla will add 200 miles of range in 15 minutes on a Tesla SuperCharger, 140 miles in 10 minutes.

What many non-EV owners don’t take into consideration is that you rarely if ever (should be NEVER) drive an EV down to an empty battery.

You learn the same concepts about an EV that I learned in Private Pilot training. You don’t want to run out of gas up there and you don’t want to run out of battery down here. So you plan for a reserve. You figure out your options and plan where you are going to land to refuel and have an alternative destination if you need it that you can reach with the reserve fuel you have left. Same exact thought process with an EV.

 

[Kris Gandillon]

Only if the other vehicles can retrofit to tesla's model of charger.

Tesla owns the chargers, not Wawa. So Tesla will make the money off of the charging stations. So they'll says, "Sure, come use our chargers ... after you change your unit on the car and pay a premium to use our charging stations."

Or you could join their "unlimited" service and spend 45 minutes to an hour charging your vehicle. That's after you've waited however long to take your turn.

EV owners will not have to adapt, Tesla has committed to retrofitting the SuperChargers with a standard adapter that most recent non-Tesla EVs already support. It’s now a matter of just “do it”.

One of the things that has always been a challenge for Elon Musk and Tesla is TIMING. They announce stuff and then it takes them years longer beyond what they had expected to actually deliver. Both Tesla and Starlink have suffered from this.

 

[Kathy in FL]

My Bolt will add 100 miles of charge in 30 minutes, 200 miles in an hour on a Tesla SuperCharger with the adapter.

A Tesla will add 200 miles of range in 15 minutes on a Tesla SuperCharger, 140 miles in 10 minutes.

What many non-EV owners don’t take into consideration is that you rarely if ever (should be NEVER) drive an EV down to an empty battery.

You learn the same concepts about an EV that I learned in Private Pilot training. You don’t want to run out of gas up there and you don’t want to run out of battery down here. So you plan for a reserve. You figure out your options and plan where you are going to land to refuel and have an alternative destination if you need it that you can reach with the reserve fuel you have left. Same exact thought process with an EV.

I was quoting what the attendant told my son. A full charge takes approx 45 minutes. My son, who works across the road at a busy car wash has said he has never seen a car using the charging stations.

This is Tampa, FL. The county we live in has over 1.5 million people in it. Full EVs are rare. In the entire state of Florida there are less than 100,000 electric vehicles registered ... and not all of those are fully EV. There are actually well over 100K registered vehicles that are biodiesel in this state. There are over a million registered vehicles that are ethanol flex-fuel in this state.

So even here in the sunshine state, EVs aren't making much of an impact, economic or otherwise.

In Florida, most areas are car-dependent. The amount of traffic on our streets is pretty crazy. While an EV charge might be measured in miles out of convenience and sales, the reality is that those miles shrink significantly when you are in traffic, the same way it does with gasoline. It is going to cost a lot more to operate an EV here in Florida than in other states. Our electric bills are also notoriously higher. For instance we have a 3500 square foot house and keep the HVAC at 78/79F all day long in the summer. We just got our bill and it was over $500 for a 30 day period. That's with ceiling fans, LED bulbs, and other cost savings such as a timer on the hot water tank, solar on the pool pump, etc.

Between the cost of the EV (new is averaging over $55K here in Tampa) and the additional cost of electricity which isn't cheap to begin with, and the potential for power outages at inconvenient times, plus the cost of the insurance rider on home ev charging stations, etc. most people just don't seem to be that in to them.

 

[Kris Gandillon]

While an EV charge might be measured in miles out of convenience and sales, the reality is that those miles shrink significantly when you are in traffic,

Kathy, another misconception from a non-EV owner. I did a test to prove or disprove this theory and documented it here on TB just a few weeks ago.

My wife recently had knee replacement surgery and I had to take her to PT 2-3 times a week for a few weeks.

Below is my report from the field from that thread:

Sat In the parking lot in my 2020 Bolt EV while my wife was doing PT rehab after her knee replacement.

One hour and 15 minutes. It is 97 degrees here.

When we got there I had 297 miles of range available on the Bolt. I left it ON in Park with the A/C set to 70. I was as cool as a cucumber the whole time. After the hour and 15 min with A/C on (exactly like sitting in a non-moving traffic jam) I still had 292 miles of range left.

So sitting for that hour and 15 minutes, at 97 degrees with A/C set at 70 degrees only reduced my range by 5 miles.

The Bolt, and I guess most EVs, use very little electricity when not moving. And whether I am rolling at 5 miles per hour or 35 miles per hour I tend to get between 4 and 5 miles per KWh of charge. It is only using significant amount of electricity when moving and almost nothing when sitting still.

The heater in winter does impact range way more than the A/C in summer. If the outside temp is between 50 and 80 degrees I generally have neither on.

I repeated the test at another PT session a few days later with similar results.

 

[hiwall]

There are currently a handful of for-profit charging station networks. ChargePoint and ElectrifyAmerica are the two I have signed up for (but have never used) and there are others built into the MyChevy app. They charge about 3-4 times the going rate for residential electricity. 30 to 45 cents per kWh. Some charge by the minute of charging time instead of by the kWh.

I have no doubts that your statement is true but I do not think for a minute that those companies are showing a any kind of a profit at those rates. It is something that is fairly common now for new start-up companies to not even try to make a profit.

 

[Kris Gandillon]

I have no doubts that your statement is true but I do not think for a minute that those companies are showing a any kind of a profit at those rates. It is something that is fairly common now for new start-up companies to not even try to make a profit.

ChargePoint, for example, is not really a startup. It has been around 15 years, founded in 2007. Has several generations of public chargers behind it. It is publicly traded. Verifying financials as I am seeing some different numbers depending on source.

 

[Zagdid]

Only if the other vehicles can retrofit to tesla's model of charger.

Not an expert in any sense but,

Tesla Supercharger
Again, Tesla created a proprietary plug for the charging of their electric vehicles. The Tesla plug is only available at Tesla charging stations; therefore, if you have any EV other Tesla, you will need to charge at another company’s Level 2 or DC fast charging station.

Understanding EV Charging Plugs | Blink Charging

Many consumers are concerned about what type of EV charging plugs they need and how to charge at Level 2 and DC fast chargers. Here's what you need to know.

blinkcharging.com

 

[PghPanther]

If they can't make EV to run off solar panel bodies....................

Then they are nothing more than another step in deleting resources and polluting the environment, first in their manufacturing .........and then with the creation of the infrastructure energy grid required to recharge them.

 

[vector7]

If they can't make EV to run off solar panel bodies....................

Then they are nothing more than another step in deleting resources and polluting the environment, first in their manufacturing .........and then with the creation of the infrastructure energy grid required to recharge them.

There should be a rule that electric cars can only be charged by wind or solar power.

If you’re giving up fossil fuel, then give it up!

Lithium is mined using large quantities of diesel fuel and water. Material is pulled from large pits, mixed with water and then evaporated. Toxic chemicals are then used to separate the materials further. There is nothing clean about it. Electric cars just mask the pollution

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Tell me — WHY is this better for the g.lobe!
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How free will those $20,000 batteries be in 8 years, or a car you’ll never be able to sell. Great job!!

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[vector7]

Electric Vehicles May Present Major Problem During Natural Disaster Evacuations: Experts

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1557834298283130880

View: https://twitter.com/zerohedge/status/1557834298283130880?s=20&t=ji6r6xYKo5WRkskrzgEZ0g

 

[Kris Gandillon]

I have never been in a grid down, evacuation situation.

I understand the EV charging concern in such a situation.

Question: Doesn’t grid down also mean gas stations cannot pump gas because the process requires electricity?

The possible impacts would be similar but with specific differences, gas vs EV.