naegling62
Veteran Member
How about we trade'em California for Ukraine?
What this is about is NATO and EU violating the agreement Reagan and Gorbechev had NOT to move NATO EAST and place offensive first strike weapons DIRECTLY on Russia's borders.
What this is about is NATO and EU violating the agreement Reagan and Gorbechev had NOT to move NATO EAST and place offensive first strike weapons DIRECTLY on Russia's borders like the Aegis missile systems in BOTH Romania and Poland.
It is a reverse Cuban missile systems situation, with MASSIVE biden corruption added into the mix. And the neo-nazis are marching this year not 1945.
We are going to get a war, likely a nuclear one, because Ukraine is being used by the globalists, neo con rinos and demoncrats together want one.
NATO wanted to add Georgia, and was sniffing around the stans too.
Russia now has a NATO ring from Finland to the Blsck Sea, and if Putin hadn't stepped up. NATO would have kept going to the Chinese border with Turkmenistan, whefe we were using their air bases for Aghanistan.
Putin is DEFENDING RUSSIA, and when he invades the nato and eu border states he will STILL be DEFENDKNG RUSSIA.
The total number of these flights had doubled recently, while flights by US aircraft increased by 50%, the ministry said. Unmanned surveillance aircraft continue to be used a lot, it said. The aircraft fly as close as 15-20 kilometers from the Belarusian border, according to the statement.
Describing before a foreign ministry conference that the EU is "violating their own obligations in humanitarian sphere" due to harsh treatment of migrants at the Polish border, the Russian leader explained:Russian President Vladimir Putin has alleged that western countries are using the ongoing immigration crisis at the Belarus-Poland border as a pretext for escalating tensions and exercising pressure against Belarus – Moscow's neighbor and ally.
Some of the chaotic nighttime scenes from the border days ago..."I just feel sorry for the children. [Polish forces] pour water and tear gas there, throw grenades there. Helicopters fly along the border and [Polish side] turns the sirens on at nights."
NATO Increases Military Flights Along Belarus Border As Putin Blames EU For Migrant Crisis
BY TYLER DURDEN
ZERO HEDGE
THURSDAY, NOV 18, 2021 - 02:10 PM
Previously we noted that despite tiny NATO-member Estonia not actually sharing a border with Belarus, its government ordered snap military drills and the erecting of additional barbed-wire along its border with Russia in a message of solidarity with Poland amid the migrant standoff.
Fresh EU sanctions on Minsk, coupled with persisting clashes at the Belarus-Poland border, mean that things could easily escalate to a military conflict between the two countries, and into a broader NATO-Russia-Belarus standoff, given Moscow is Lukashenko's closest ally. Alarmingly, on Thursday the Belarusian government cited a noticeable uptick in NATO aircraft activity "along the state border of Belarus".
Via CNN
The Belarusian Defense Ministry statement was translated by Russian media sources: "Our radio and radar reconnaissance means registered constant increase in the intensity of flights of reconnaissance and combat aviation of NATO member states along the state border of Belarus, including in the airspace of Ukraine," it said.
More broadly, the defense ministry connected the heightened activity to a threatening NATO build-up at its border - something which was persistently emphasized during last year's crackdown on anti-Lukashenko protests, for which Minsk was slapped with EU sanctions the first time around (with fresh EU sanctions being readied this week as Lukashenko stands accuses of orchestrating the migrant crisis).
According to further details of the allegation via TASS:
Belarus says the number of NATO flights has "almost doubled" in recent years. "These facts confirm the buildup of military activity near our borders and testify to the further escalation of the situation around Belarus," the defense ministry said.
Chaotic scenes continue to emerge at border camps made up of mostly Middle Eastern migrants seeking to make their way to Germany or other Western Europe countries:
Also on Thursday Russian President Vladimir Putin turned Europe's accusations around, saying the migrant crisis is instead being used as a pretext to further pressure Belarus:
Describing before a foreign ministry conference that the EU is "violating their own obligations in humanitarian sphere" due to harsh treatment of migrants at the Polish border, the Russian leader explained:
Some of the chaotic nighttime scenes from the border days ago...
For over the past year since Lukashenko's contested re-election to a sixth term, Western mainstream media has been intensely amplifying Belarusian opposition voices...
Some observers have said that Belarus is likely next on NATO's list of countries targeted for regime change, given strongman Lukashenko has been in power for approaching three decades, as makes up part of the so-called "union state".
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And recall last week, when the crisis began grabbing international spotlight...
NATO Increases Military Flights Along Belarus Border As Putin Blames EU For Migrant Crisis | ZeroHedge
Gorbachev is despised in Russia because he is viewed as a fool who lost the historic defensive border zone. And Russia ain't paranoid when NATO puts first strike weapons on Russia's border. That ain't whining.
Poland has a border with belarus. Kalingrad is a part of Russia and they will secure it by seizing the corridor. War is inevitable at this point.
I think Russia just moved some nukes into belarus last week.
Russia just flew 2 nuke capable bombers over the border region the other day. The signs for war are EVERYWHERE!
Doomer, I would say Stupidity and Arrogance. NATO got a peace dividend and spent it on social programs.Kalingrad and its corridor reminds me of Danzig and ITS corridor, and we know how that turned out Old Archer!
NATO was pretty much of a farce when I was in it post Vietnam. I really can't figure out why the so called politicians and military leaders are baiting the ruskie bear, Old Archer. Stupidity? Arrogance?
I am doing some final stockup, gang. My Spidey Senses are tingling. If I still drank, and smoked, and did drugs I would be doing that. Dang, I am so DULL now here at the pre launch phase of TSHTF.
The question is when will the Russian invasion kick off?
Global: MilitaryInfo
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Western intelligences are increasingly convinced that President Putin is considering military action to destabilize Ukraine or take control of a larger swath of the county. - Officials believe a military campaign could start as soon as January. (NYT/CNN).
About the same time China moves on Taiwan and other immediate targets.The question is when will the Russian invasion kick off?
Yes, I am convinced that both will kick off at the same time.About the same time China moves on Taiwan and other immediate targets.
Holdomor - in the 1930s the Soviets starved approx 7 million Ukrainians to death. Basically to get the land for use by Russia for grain production. THere is a fascinating first hand account called Execution by Hunger by a man who survived. It is avail online in PDF format.
Also looking at history what about British rule did our forefathers so adamently oppose? They are being invaded.
Andy Scollick
@Andy_Scollick
Vice President of the Russian International Affairs Council (Putin's Moscow think tank), Lieutenant-General (Reserves) Evgeny Buzhinsky, said how "Ukrainian troops will be destroyed" No tank armies, the Aerospace Forces will do everything.
Buzhinsky said the war against Russia "is already underway." Yes, there is no "hot" war yet, but there is an informational, economic, trade and sanctions war going on. The number of cyberattacks on Russian systems is in the thousands. Buzhinsky said the war against Russia "is already underway." Speaking about the Russian military groupings on Russia's western borders, Buzhinsky expressed confidence that a sufficient grouping of forces has been created. "I think, the destruction of the Ukrainian armed forces will be carried out by the forces of our Aerospace Forces." According to him, the Ukrainian naval forces, which are called the "mosquito" fleet due to the lack of large warships, "will be sunk by the forces of the Black Sea Fleet." "I personally do not foresee any tanks, any seizures of territory. The destruction of air defense systems, aviation at airfields - that's all" Buzhinsky said.
Not sure.... aerospace force. What does that mean. Yes, it could mean missiles but maybe not. What about DEWs? Is that what it means? Low yield nukes? I have a bad feeling. What about US.NATO in the Black Sea? Ukraine only or all of the Black Sea?Interesting war plan if true.
Russia would use missile forces to disrupt Ukraine forces and infrastructure but not physically move into Ukraine beyond what Russian forces are not so secretly in the Donbas.
This would force Ukraine and NATO to attack Russia within Russia's borders. Any attack on Russian soil, including Crimea, would escalate hostilities to open warfare.
IMO, this essentially checkmates NATO involvement directly against Russia.
Interesting war plan if true.
Russia would use missile forces to disrupt Ukraine forces and infrastructure but not physically move into Ukraine beyond what Russian forces are not so secretly in the Donbas.
This would force Ukraine and NATO to attack Russia within Russia's borders. Any attack on Russian soil, including Crimea, would escalate hostilities to open warfare.
IMO, this essentially checkmates NATO involvement directly against Russia.