ALERT RUSSIA INVADES UKRAINE - Consolidated Thread

Squid

Veteran Member
Do not forget that the Ukraine army is hugely benefitted by the [free] military tech of the most powerful Military Industrial Complex in the world, Which developed its technology throughout the last number of foreign wars in Vietnam, iraq, And afghanistan on the backs of American tax payers and dead and injured-for-life american soldiers. All orchestrated for the benefit of the Rothschild and Rockefeller’s banks.
Your point has me confused.

Shouldn’t this have been considered by the Russians planning the invasion? Don’t you review as many scenario’s as possible and for military activities give the worst case scenario at least some planning (in this invasion worst case would be immediate direct Nato force intervention). So the ‘tactical genius’ Putin miscalculated and so they get a pass?

Russia with a small limited very small very quick operation would have likely won new territory a land bridge for Crimea and left their opponents to stew.

Russia’s issue is they where greedy. They didn’t want just the 2 breakaway regions but 1/2 or all of Ukraine. Generals and military planners getting greedy and under estimating the force and capabilities of the opposition is a recipe for disaster.
 

Squid

Veteran Member
I hope Taiwan has lots of long range anti-ship missiles.

Lots.


Looooooong Range.
For the invasion they wouldn’t need long range. For retaliatory strikes like say a very big target on a river then yes they could come in handy but they need large numbers of short to intermediate.
 

jed turtle

a brother in the Lord
Your point has me confused.

Shouldn’t this have been considered by the Russians planning the invasion? Don’t you review as many scenario’s as possible and for military activities give the worst case scenario at least some planning (in this invasion worst case would be immediate direct Nato force intervention). So the ‘tactical genius’ Putin miscalculated and so they get a pass?

Russia with a small limited very small very quick operation would have likely won new territory a land bridge for Crimea and left their opponents to stew.

Russia’s issue is they where greedy. They didn’t want just the 2 breakaway regions but 1/2 or all of Ukraine. Generals and military planners getting greedy and under estimating the force and capabilities of the opposition is a recipe for disaster.
no mis-calculation imho. Russia had no other goal that what they demanded when the iron curtain fell and they abandoned communism : NATO must not expand toward russia’s borders. NATO agreed then changed their mind. In Russia’s view they are fighting Nazi’s on their western border. An existential battle which they must win or die trying. As we find out more abut Biden and “his people”, it is looking more like our leaders are the Nazi’s russia is fighting... I hope the Nazi’s lose...
 

CaryC

Veteran Member
Makes one wonder what on God's green earth, those people thought was going to happen?

Bagger them some more about burying their soldiers next to the ones in 193?. Your women will start having their babies.

I swear I thought it might just be America and Uncle Joe that had lost it, but looks like it's global. Makes one wonder if it's a global virus, something in the water?
 

raven

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Makes one wonder what on God's green earth, those people thought was going to happen?

Bagger them some more about burying their soldiers next to the ones in 193?. Your women will start having their babies.

I swear I thought it might just be America and Uncle Joe that had lost it, but looks like it's global. Makes one wonder if it's a global virus, something in the water?
Remember when they told people they did not have to pay rent of mortgage?
Now they think the power company won't shut off the power or the gas.
 

von Koehler

Veteran Member
Zelensky now a Davos man

The President of Ukraine, @ZelenskyyUa, will join our Annual Meeting virtually as the war continues to devastate his country. Watch his special address on our website and across social media. http://wef.ch/22 #wef22
View: https://twitter.com/zerohedge/status/1525109834747727873?t=NC49ft0EpZI_e4vo5jaKLw&s=19


Is in the middle of a war but has time for the great reset

Ukraine is (Part of) the Great Reset
View: https://twitter.com/sakko994/status/1525111561597108224?t=3KFptUJCTqaq2FTZxv9X_Q&s=19
I have a lot of respect for the suffering of the Ukainian people, BUT with Zelensky being part of the Great Reset, it's very scary.

What exactly are Schwab's plans for the Ukraine? Start WWIII?

Putin seems determined to annex all of Ukraine.
 

raven

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I have a lot of respect for the suffering of the Ukainian people, BUT with Zelensky being part of the Great Reset, it's very scary.

What exactly are Schwab's plans for the Ukraine? Start WWIII?

Putin seems determined to annex all of Ukraine.
I wouldn't worry about it.
When it is over, the enforcers for the WEF
will be Ukrainian and
you know they are cuddly little weebles.
 

CaryC

Veteran Member
Remember when they told people they did not have to pay rent of mortgage?
Now they think the power company won't shut off the power or the gas.
There also seems to be another side to this:

MSM Biden et al. stated that the sanctions would cripple Russia.

There were a couple of reports that in fact Russian Gas, and the Ruble are outperforming....whatever.

And now they are willingly cutting off Finland. Taking it on themselves, without sanctions, willingly.

Doesn't sound like all the bluster didn't do much.
 

Tristan

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Makes one wonder what on God's green earth, those people thought was going to happen?

Bagger them some more about burying their soldiers next to the ones in 193?. Your women will start having their babies.

I swear I thought it might just be America and Uncle Joe that had lost it, but looks like it's global. Makes one wonder if it's a global virus, something in the water?

Almost like a script for a movie - kinda like "Invasion of the Body Snatchers" or something...

Clif High has been referring to it as "The Bug"...
 

Artificially Intelli

Contributing Member
In a very risky move, they used their best airborne troops (and lost many of them) trying to take two airports for just a feint? That's pretty hard to believe. They landed troops on the airports and then had to abandon them. That just doesn't sound like a feint to me. Even if it was a feint, it didn't work too well as they aren't exactly steamrolling the other areas, either.

However, I am NOT a military expert, so I dunno!
You're right about the airports, and that part is puzzling. And I'm not an expert either. Having been in the military does not make one an "expert".
 

Zagdid

Veteran Member

(snip)
"According to RAO Nordic, further direct or bilateral sales of electricity imported from Russia will be halted until further notice due to problems in receiving payments for electricity sold on the market," Fingrid said.

"RAO Nordic Oy has been importing electricity from Russia to Finland and selling it to Nord Pool exchange for many years. Unfortunately, we are forced to note that for the volumes which have been sold on Nord Pool exchange since the 6th of May funds have not yet been credited to our bank account. This situation is exceptional and happened for the first time in over twenty years of our trading history," said the company.

"Unfortunately, in the current situation of lack of cash income, RAO Nordic is not able to make payments for the imported electricity from Russia. Therefore, we are forced to suspend the electricity import starting from 14th of May," they added.
However, RAO Nordic Oy has confirmed that the lack of electricity import from Russia will be compensated by Sweden. Furthermore, more electricity will be generated in Finland, reported TASS.

"Finland's self-sufficiency in electricity generation is constantly improving. In particular, the amount of Finnish wind power generation is increasing every year. This year alone, an additional 2000 megawatts of new wind power is expected to come online. Finland is expected to become self-sufficient in electrical energy in 2023," said Fingrid.

Meanwhile, RAO Nordic Oy is optimistic that the situation will improve quickly and that the electricity trade with Russia will resume soon enough.
 

Cacheman

Ultra MAGA!
Not to be outdone by Pelosi&Co now McConnell and Collins show up to make sure their share of the $40Billion finds it's way to the proper "accounts"...


So brave to enter war torn Kiev, the most dangerous place on earth. Wait, is that Nuland and another woman with bags to bring their "fair" share home?

View: https://twitter.com/ChristopherJM/status/1525451561626918918?s=20&t=JJTg5gZCmncweZ9LI8dlCQ


Of course it's always about "democratic values and freedoms.”, their values and freedoms and sure as hell not ours.

McConnell.jpg

Aww, look, everyone's happy. Zelinsky got his cut, McConnell&Co. made sure Nancy and her gang left plenty in the cookie jar, everyone is all smiles in war torn Kiev, the most dangerous place on earth. Hell, as easy as this is maybe McConnell needs to up the aid to $1Trillion since the Ukraine Foreign Minister stated last week the US must give Ukraine $600Billion for reconstruction and that's just pennies too.

Yep, gotta finalize the details on distributing the $40Billion of aid.

Oh BTW, anyone think those two women come home with empty handbags? With all the US politician’s petting their toy Zalinsky he has no time to lead a war.
 

Housecarl

On TB every waking moment
Posted for fair use.....

May 13, 20228:37 AM PDT
Last Updated a day ago
Ukraine begins first war crimes trial of Russian soldier
By Pavel Polityuk and Tom Balmforth

KYIV, May 13 (Reuters) - A Ukrainian court held a preliminary hearing on Friday in the first war crimes trial arising from Russia's Feb. 24 invasion, after charging a captured Russian soldier with the murder of a 62-year-old civilian.

The case is of huge symbolic importance for Ukraine. The Kyiv government has accused Russia of atrocities and brutality against civilians during the invasion and said it has identified more than 10,000 possible war crimes.


Russia has denied targeting civilians or involvement in war crimes and accused Kyiv of staging them to smear its forces. The Kremlin told reporters on Friday that it had no information about a war crimes trial.

The defendant told the court he was Vadim Shishimarin, born in Russia's Irkutsk region, and confirmed that he was a Russian serviceman in a short, preliminary hearing. The court will reconvene on May 18, the judge said.


He will tell the court at a later date whether or not he denies the charge, his lawyer Viktor Ovsyannikov said.

Shaven headed and looking scared, Shishimarin wore a casual blue and grey hoodie and was led into the courtroom by police to a glass booth for defendants.

If convicted he faces up to life imprisonment over the killing in the northeast Ukrainian village of Chupakhivka, east of the capital Kyiv, on Feb. 28.


The Ukrainian prosecutor general's office said the defendant was a 21-year-old tank commander in the Kantemirovskaya tank division from the Moscow region. The prosecutor general had published a photograph of him ahead of the hearing.

"(The) wheels of justice (have) started turning and this process will yield results," Prosecutor General Iryna Venediktova wrote on Twitter on Friday.

UKRAINIAN ACCOUNT
In a statement ahead of the hearing, the prosecutor general's office said the soldier and four other Russian servicemen fired at and stole a privately-owned car to escape after their column was targeted by Ukrainian forces.

The statement said the Russian soldiers drove into the village of Chupakhivka where they saw an unarmed resident riding a bicycle and talking on his phone.

It said the defendant was ordered by another serviceman to kill the civilian to prevent him reporting on the Russians' presence and fired several shots through the open window of the car with an assault rifle at the civilian's head, and he died on the spot.

It did not say what evidence led to the war crimes charges. The SBU Security Service of Ukraine conducted the investigation into the case, it said.

State prosecutor Andriy Synyuk told Reuters the soldier was captured when he "gave himself up". He did not elaborate.

MANY MORE CASES EXPECTED
In the courthouse, Shishimarin was questioned by a judge who addressed him in Ukrainian and in Russian. He had an interpreter with him. Reuters could not reach him or his legal representative for comment ahead of the hearing.

"This is the first case today. But soon there will be a lot of these cases," Synyuk told reporters after the hearing.

Michelle Bachelet, the U.N. High Commissioner for Human Rights, said on Thursday there were many examples of possible war crimes since the Russian invasion and that 1,000 bodies had been recovered so far in the Kyiv region. read more

The International Criminal Court (ICC) said on April 25 it would take part in a joint team with Ukrainian, Polish and Lithuanian prosecutors investigating war crimes allegations against Russian forces.

Ukraine has little experience in prosecuting such cases. Parliament last year adopted legislation to provide a legal framework for war crimes prosecutions in line with international practice, Zera Kozlyieva, deputy head of the war crimes unit in the prosecutor general’s office, said last month. [nL2N2WO0LR

The country had only convicted three individuals previously for crimes related to the conflict in Donbas and Crimea between 2014 and the February invasion, she said.

Russia calls its actions in Ukraine a "special operation" to disarm the country and protect it from fascists, denying its forces committed abuses. Kyiv and its Western backers say the fascism claim is a false pretext for an unprovoked war of aggression.

Reporting by Natalia Zinets and Tom Balmforth, editing by Mark Heinrich and Jon Boyle
 

WTSR

Veteran Member
Russia with a small limited very small very quick operation would have likely won new territory a land bridge for Crimea and left their opponents to stew.
Where was it written this was going to be a three day war? Who wrote the assessment? The longer this goes on the more damage to the financial system and JIT supply chain the more pain for Americans.

Low intensity war for years and lack of oil from Russia is going to cause Havoc here and Abroad. Electric cars are not going to save us. Ukraine agriculture products eliminated from the markets will exasperate the situation.
India and Russia are embargoing the world as well now.

The Ukrainian military was dug in deep in the east and nothing quick was going to get them out of those trenches.
 

Bogey

“Where liberty dwells, there is my country.”
Where was it written this was going to be a three day war? Who wrote the assessment? The longer this goes on the more damage to the financial system and JIT supply chain the more pain for Americans...
Just as intended.
 

Squid

Veteran Member
Where was it written this was going to be a three day war? Who wrote the assessment? The longer this goes on the more damage to the financial system and JIT supply chain the more pain for Americans.

Low intensity war for years and lack of oil from Russia is going to cause Havoc here and Abroad. Electric cars are not going to save us. Ukraine agriculture products eliminated from the markets will exasperate the situation.
India and Russia are embargoing the world as well now.

The Ukrainian military was dug in deep in the east and nothing quick was going to get them out of those trenches.
I don’t believe you will find me saying this was going to be a 3 day war. Throwing out an absurd statement and then countering the absurd statement is what we get from CNN.

Russia has made some gains on the field but if you are seeing only success and not part failure in the Special Russian Operation then keep seeing what you want to see.

As neither pro Ukrainian nor pro Russian I see major problems missteps and downright failures by both sides. Unfortunately for those wearing Team Putin jerseys Russia is the heavyweight massively favored team so their failures are both more consequential and easier to see.

Putin was suckered into this fight and was too greedy. A smaller more focused operation would likely have ended before the cabal could have rallied the Nato weasels like Germany. It also entirely blows apart the weak @$$ de Nazification propaganda excuse.
 

northern watch

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The Real Reason Behind The EU's Drive To Embargo Russian Oil
BY TYLER DURDEN
ZERO HEDGE
SATURDAY, MAY 14, 2022 - 07:00 AM

Authored by Tom Luongo via Gold, Goats, 'n Guns blog,

This week the European Union is expected to announce a complete import ban on Russian oil. Hungary, in its first real act of defiance, is threatening to veto this; Germany, after some hemming and hawing, has finally decided it can survive such a ban.

Assuming Hungary’s objections are eventually overcome, at first blush this looks like yet another energy “own goal” by the people obsessed with soccer. The U.S. has already issued this ban.

Because European industry is heavily dependent on Russian oil and gas, the conventional wisdom is that the EU Commission is just petulant and incompetent.

Are they petulant? Yes. Incompetent? Possibly? But only if you think in conventional terms of doing the right thing for their people. What is clear to any serious observer of EU politics is that they are not interested in what their people have to say or want.



Theirs is an agenda which will brook no opposition, even if it means destroying its own economy to bring a rival to its knees.


That said, I sincerely doubt there will be a “buyers embargo” on natural gas because there is no viable substitute for it.
Hungary is using the need for unanimous consent within the European Council to block any ‘gas ban’ in any new economic sanctions package. There are at least three other countries which are happy Hungary is willing to suffer Brussels’ wrath.
But banning Russian oil, on the other hand, is different.

So, it is interesting that Hungary would do this, given they import no oil from Russia. {Editor: this is wrong, Hungary imports 65% of its oil through the Druzhba pipeline} This veto was predicted by me the morning after the Hungarians overwhelmingly rejected George Soros’s anti-Viktor Orban coalition and handed it an ignominious defeat.

Hungary, on the other hand, has energy independence from Brussels by having contracted directly with Gazprom for natural gas via Turkstream’s train that goes into Serbia and Hungary. This should give you some context as to why the EU is trying to sanction Serbia and cut off the flows of that pipeline where it crosses EU territory in Bulgaria.

With a fiscally, monetarily (they are not on the euro) and energy independent Hungary there is little argument for them staying in the EU if Brussels is going to treat them as second class members. Orban and his government have been resolute in their refusal to get involved in the Russia/Ukraine conflict even though there has been serious pressure applied by NATO.

It is almost as if Orban and the Hungarians are now daring the EU to advance Article 7 procedures to kick them out. The problem with that is, if they do, it would begin the fracturing of the EU.

So, what is more likely to happen now is Hungary will use this veto to get the EU to back off on the ‘rule-of-law’ violations which are justifying cutting off Hungary from its EU budget distributions. The horse trade here should be obvious.

Because Brussels and their behind-the-scenes backers absolutely want this ban on Russian oil as much as the U.S. and the UK want it. It is part of their long-term strategy to bleed Russia out, after turning Ukraine into Afghanistan 2.0.
And it is in the differences between the oil industry and the natural gas industry where they think they can achieve this goal.

Of Pipes and Populi

In both the oil and gas industries, pressurizing a well is, for the most part, a one-way process. You dig a well and pull the oil and/or gas out. It produces until the well is depleted. You replace the well’s natural decay in production by drilling a new well.

But even if there is a big demand shock to the downside, rarely an issue in the oil industry in the aggregate, then those wells keep producing. The market is temporarily glutted with oil, the price drops and old wells are not replaced until such time as supply-and-demand balance is restored.

Oil futures curves get constructed by traders to anticipate these effects on prices. And for normal volatility of oil demand, these curves should be reasonably predictable.

Unfortunately, we are living through a time where the most powerful people in the world (at least in their minds) are openly trying to destroy the petroleum market for their own purposes and agenda. They are actively working to make oil and gas prices volatile to the point of destroying investment in the industry.

They make no bones about this. Oil is the bane of the planet!

I call these people The Davos Crowd (for a description of them see my podcast, Episodes 75, 76, and 77 for the background information). They are the unelected oligarchs, bankers, hereditary power and newly Made Men (in the mafia sense) who gather at Davos, Switzerland, every year to decide on the future of humanity.

And it is their agenda, using Climate Change and international threats like biowarfare and terrorism as their justifications for a massive expansion of the surveillance state and their control over all things, but especially money.

Russia’s massive natural resource pile and sovereigntist-minded government stands wholly in the way of that. If you believe otherwise, you have been gaslit by Davos propaganda. I urge you to put away childish things, some rabbit holes are just holes, not warrens.

Back to the oil industry. Capping either a gas or oil well is dangerous because there is no guarantee it can be re-opened. Wells can be damaged and the oil/gas they contain lost without drilling a new one.

With gas you can just “flare it off” by burning the excess if your storage is full, rather than capping the well and wait for demand to return. With oil, on the other hand, you cannot really do that. You have to store the stuff somewhere. From all accounts so far, Russia’s oil storage capacity is already full, if not overflowing.

The oil industry in general is not geared for massive long-term storage due to supply/demand shocks because there is literally no need for it. What expands is the capacity to move oil around to consume it, not store it in big tanks hoping someone will buy it.

The industry has all the spare capacity it needs to coordinate supply and demand within pretty tight tolerances. It is not “just in time” delivery tight, but it is not capable of absorbing a 20% demand shock.

And this is where the West thinks it has a big lever to use against Russia right now. By all accounts, Europe is one of Russia’s biggest oil customers, with the port at Rotterdam taking in and refining as much as 1.4 million barrels per day before the war.

Believe it or not, The Washington Post had a decent article breaking down where Russia’s exports go. Of the approximately 7.2 million barrels per day Russia exports to the world, 4.8 million go to countries, most of them in Europe, that say they no longer want to buy it from there.

Lack of storage capacity should not be a big deal if Russia exported most of the oil to Europe by ship, which it does. According to a recent report by Transport & Environment, an NGO which is wholly geared to convincing Europe to get off Russian energy, the Druzhba pipeline only supplies around 10% of Russian oil to the European market.



This is a paltry 250,000 barrels per day. The U.S. embargo is more dangerous to the Russian economy, where in 2021 the U.S., having to replace barrels sanctioned from Venezuela by former President Trump, imported an average of 600,000 barrels per day.

Those imports began drying up in 2022, well before Russia invaded Ukraine, so chalk that up as another data point that this war between the West and Russia was planned well in advance of the actual start date back in late February.

The point is that the talking point going around the press today is that Russia does not have the storage capacity to deal with a European embargo and as such will have to cut production. Estimates of production cuts from Russia are around 1.8 million barrels per day, while the West is hoping for 3 million.

Similar to what Trump did in 2018 against Iran, the shock-and-awe campaign of sanctions froze many oil trading firms in their tracks, not knowing what the future would hold, and refused to do business with Russia for fear of running afoul of sanctions.

From Shell to Glencore to Trafigura, Russian oil tenders have become persona non grata and it created a complete mess of their trading books and the commodities-trading industry as a whole, as Credit Suisse’s Zoltan Pozsar’s note from last month described.

Because of this financial dislocation in what should be a boring, brain-dead stable industry—trading the most important commodity in the world with the biggest infrastructure to service it—chaos ensued.

The collective West, following Davos’s game plan, is hoping for even more.

Pozsar’s conclusion was that all these firms will either need a bailout at some point (with possible nationalization the price they pay) or be allowed to go bankrupt to serve the plan of radically overhauling the global energy economy away from petroleum of Davos.

At the same time, they would put a major dent in Russia’s economic prospects. Viewed that way, this is a kind of Evil Mastermind Two-fer.

But, if backing up the pipeline oil is not that big a hit to Russia’s production, what is the EU trying to accomplish here?

By disrupting the routes oil normally takes around the world, there is now a structural shortage of tankers to move oil demanded. Since many of those barrels, more than 2 million per day, now must go on much longer voyages.

Instead of the coffee and cake run from St. Petersburg to Rotterdam, those same ships now, at a minimum, must go to storage facilities in the Bahamas and the Caribbean, if not all the way to China or India, their final destination.

Read Pozsar’s post, or the ZeroHedge article linked above, to get a sense of the scale of the disruption.

This supply shock within the tanker market and the downstream effects of the added costs to the voyages, it is hoped, will create a cascading back-up within the Russian oil industry, forcing the forecasted production hits.
This will, in turn, eat into its positive trade balance which is “fueling Putin’s war machine.” It will also present the opportunity for Russia’s competitors to come in and steal market share from them.

Through this mechanism and efforts in the West to change Europe’s energy usage, the long-term effect is to destroy Russia’s ability to continue the war by starving it of needed capital.

Davos Rhymes with Thanos

The U.S. is happy to push Europe to this point and many commentators are happy to end the conversation there: Pick your epithet, but the line is the “Empire of Lies” or “Zone A” or whomever, feels their hegemony is threatened and they are bullying everyone, especially Europe, into their preferred strategy.

But I think that story is more of the “Made for TV” version than it is an accurate representation of reality.

It leaves out the larger goal structure of the people behind this mess in the first place. Rather than be captives of a hyper-belligerent U.S., the EU nations are absolutely willing partners in this.

Davos’s Great Reset strategy is built on the same mistakes about resource scarcity that Thomas Malthus made back in the early 19th century. Theirs is an economic model which does not believe people respond in real time to incentives, pro and con, which moderate their behavior. Rather, they see humans as a virus unleashed upon the world that needs to be controlled.

The entire Great Reset can be boiled down to the same argument the villain in the Marvel films, Thanos, made about having to kill off half the life in the Universe to make things “sustainable.”

And the power center of this type of thinking is not in the U.S. and the U.S. Empire. We are the hyper-capitalists growing the virus in our Petri dish of individualism.

No, this thinking comes squarely out of European critiques of capitalism. To be reductionist it is just Marxism warmed over and given a fresh gloss of rhetorical paint—sustainability, stakeholder capitalism, Environmental, Social and Governance (ESG), shared purpose, etc.

The proof that the EU is just as happy with war in Ukraine as neoconservative forces in the U.S. and UK is evident in their unwillingness to end the war through diplomacy.

But Europeans are the ones who will suffer the most from this strategy.

Bad Scripts Beget Bad Policy

If EU leadership, owned by Davos, were acting on average Europeans’ behalf, they would be using the obvious costs of cutting Europe off from Russian energy to tell the US and U.K. to go scratch.

Instead, all we hear from them is how Germany can wean itself off Russian energy completely within a year.

It does not matter that this is not good for German industry or the German people in the long run. Russian energy is by far the cheapest solution for them, making their labor the most competitive it can be.

Instead, after helping manufacture the crisis in Ukraine, they now uphold the notion that it is a moral imperative for Germans to suffer without food, heat and other basic necessities of a supposed advanced first-world society to defeat the evil Russians.

In the years leading up to this conflict they would have worked to implement the Minsk Accords. They would have lifted the economic sanctions on Russia and come to an agreement about Crimea and the Donbas politically, and let the U.S. and the UK twist in the wind.

Former German Chancellor Angela Merkel and French President Emmanuel Macron did the opposite. They blew smoke up Putin’s ass while running the clock out until Macron was re-elected and Merkel could exit the scene, leaving a weak Davos-approved coalition to blame the collapse on.

Deepened trade between Russia and the EU would have eventually ground out the animosity and the U.S.’s insistence on arming Ukraine would have become an albatross politically while Europe would be staring at a potential renaissance, instead of an economic black hole.

France and Germany would not have betrayed their own attempts at diplomacy.

This, I believe, is much closer to the real story of the conflict, which serves a far larger purpose clearly stated by the architects of our misery than the simplistic framework of just blaming the U.S. for everything.

The idea that Europe fears a Russian invasion of Poland or even Germany, which necessitates NATO’s expansion to its border in the Donbas, is ludicrous. Russia’s military is not built along these lines nor is its performance in Ukraine evidence it is capable of such an operation.

What is unfolding now is a script that was written a long time ago. The war by the West against Russia has long been in the planning stages.

The Russians understand this better than many are willing to accept. Their leadership, Putin and Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov, have articulated this very clearly at every stage of the war to date.

They are under no illusions about where the West and Davos are willing to take this conflict, which is why they have made serious threats about striking out at the real “decision centers” who give the Ukrainian Armed Forces their marching orders.
These are warnings not to our politicians, but to us. This is where things lead.

They have asked for a parting of the ways, peaceably, between East and West, but that is not part of the agenda. Like classic narcissists with the burning need to control everything, Russia and the rest of Asia will not be allowed to walk away from Davos and their Eurocrat quislings, because they are the righteous saviors of humanity.

And we are just, at best, “the help” and at worst an inconvenience.

The bigger Davos plan of destroying the old global order to Build it Back Better, where they own everything and you will own nothing and like it or else, is the script.

They are now committed to this plan. It does not matter now whether it will work or not. This is what we have to realize in all of our analyses. Do the Russians and their friends in Asia and across the Global South have the means and the tools to come out on top? Possibly.

But the bigger question is whether or not this conflict escalates to the point where winning is an irrelevant concept. When you see a bloc as powerful as the European Union willing to commit acts of domestic vandalism this big—and blaming the victim of their unbridled aggression—it tells you we are far past the point of rational settlement.

The Real Reason Behind The EU's Drive To Embargo Russian Oil | ZeroHedge
 
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WTSR

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I don’t believe you will find me saying this was going to be a 3 day war. Throwing out an absurd statement and then countering the absurd statement is what we get from CNN.

Russia has made some gains on the field but if you are seeing only success and not part failure in the Special Russian Operation then keep seeing what you want to see.

As neither pro Ukrainian nor pro Russian I see major problems missteps and downright failures by both sides. Unfortunately for those wearing Team Putin jerseys Russia is the heavyweight massively favored team so their failures are both more consequential and easier to see.

Putin was suckered into this fight and was too greedy. A smaller more focused operation would likely have ended before the cabal could have rallied the Nato weasels like Germany. It also entirely blows apart the weak @$$ de Nazification propaganda excuse.
I think it is important to note who did say Kiev would fall in Three Days.


That statement was made by the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff Gen. Mark Milley. If he is wrong about this and Afghanistan what else is he wrong about?

The De-Nazification statement by Putin is for Russian and their Allies consumption, in my Opinion. Everyone in the West will scoff at it, but I bet the Russians have a different opinion.

The longer this goes the worse things will be for the World.

Russia is waiting to see if Nato and the US have the guts to face them on the battlefield. The Gauntlet has been thrown, talking isn't going to end it. Russia is chewing up the largest single country mobilized military in Europe. Ukraine has burnt through all their tanks except for a few loaners that have been lend/leased to them. No single country even came close to the over 2000+ they had.

Even if Ukraine destroyed 3000 Russian tanks they still have 11000 left.

Poland is number 2 in tanks so If I was a betting person probably next on the Russian list.
 
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northern watch

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I think it is important to note who did say Kiev would fall in Three Days.


That statement was made by the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff Gen. Mark Milley. If he is wrong about this and Afghanistan what else is he wrong about?

The De-Nazification statement by Putin is for Russian and their Allies consumption, in my Opinion. Everyone in the West will scoff at it, but I bet the Russians have a different opinion.

The longer this goes the worse things will be for the World.

Russia is waiting to see if Nato and the US have the guts to face them on the battlefield. The Gauntlet has been thrown, talking isn't going to end it. Russia is chewing up the largest single country mobilized military in Europe. Ukraine has burnt through all their tanks except for a few loaners that have been lend/leased to them. No single country even came close to the over 2000+ they had.

Even if Ukraine destroyed 3000 Russian tanks they still have 11000 left.

Poland is number 2 in tanks so If I was a betting person probably next on the Russian list.
One thing that never gets reported in the Western MSM is Ukraine losses on the battlefield.
 

CELLO

Veteran Member
As regards the Russian soldier being tried for war crimes in Ukraine, Is this at all normal for a war crime trial? being tried by and in the country that he was fighting against? While the conflict is still underway? Is there any oversight from non aligned countries? How could there be anything but a guilty verdict?
I would have to guess that the trial itself is a war crime.
 

OldArcher

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I think it is important to note who did say Kiev would fall in Three Days.


That statement was made by the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff Gen. Mark Milley. If he is wrong about this and Afghanistan what else is he wrong about?

The De-Nazification statement by Putin is for Russian and their Allies consumption, in my Opinion. Everyone in the West will scoff at it, but I bet the Russians have a different opinion.

The longer this goes the worse things will be for the World.

Russia is waiting to see if Nato and the US have the guts to face them on the battlefield. The Gauntlet has been thrown, talking isn't going to end it. Russia is chewing up the largest single country mobilized military in Europe. Ukraine has burnt through all their tanks except for a few loaners that have been lend/leased to them. No single country even came close to the over 2000+ they had.

Even if Ukraine destroyed 3000 Russian tanks they still have 11000 left.

Poland is number 2 in tanks so If I was a betting person probably next on the Russian list.
Miley is an ignorant, arrogant, incompetent, arsehole, and traitor. Period.

OA
 
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