Ron Paul running is still on the table. Here's the scoop....
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night driver
ESFP adrift in INTJ sea
AS a write in, there are at least a dozen states that WILL NOT TABULATE HIS VOTES because he ran in a primary and lost.....
A write in fo rhim in those states will LITERALLY be trashed....nice goin Paulian lotus eaters.
A write in fo rhim in those states will LITERALLY be trashed....nice goin Paulian lotus eaters.
Wise Owl
Deceased
Vicki, you have said it correctly. Those who will hold their nose and vote for Romney are only postponing the inevitable. The longer we stay on this bus that is heading for the cliff the worse it will be, the more illegal laws, rules and ruthlessness will be.
You are basically going along to get along and selling out our children and grandchildren by doing this. You think you can push it back but soon it will be here and you are going to either have to fight then or try to hide somewhere till the worst is over.
I call people like this cowards. No conviction of principle. Of moral right or wrong. Most of you say you don't really like Romney but you will vote for him just to get O out of office. You are selling us all out. If enough people had voted for Ron Paul to begin with in their primaries we would NOT be in this mess to begin with but the MSM conditioning worked just swell on you all. You believed their lies and contributed to this horror show. And it IS a horror show.
We are cooked and you folks are only turning the heat up more. I will not live in chains as Vicki said.
And Mountain Man, you are not even living in the US anymore. You already gave up rights to even comment on this issue by doing so. You think your current residence is going to help you escape the coming wars? Nope. We will all either be taken out or we will stand up and fight.
SO, for those go along, get alongs, why not just go get fitted for your chains now? You already have them ordered for you AND your children.
You are basically going along to get along and selling out our children and grandchildren by doing this. You think you can push it back but soon it will be here and you are going to either have to fight then or try to hide somewhere till the worst is over.
I call people like this cowards. No conviction of principle. Of moral right or wrong. Most of you say you don't really like Romney but you will vote for him just to get O out of office. You are selling us all out. If enough people had voted for Ron Paul to begin with in their primaries we would NOT be in this mess to begin with but the MSM conditioning worked just swell on you all. You believed their lies and contributed to this horror show. And it IS a horror show.
We are cooked and you folks are only turning the heat up more. I will not live in chains as Vicki said.
And Mountain Man, you are not even living in the US anymore. You already gave up rights to even comment on this issue by doing so. You think your current residence is going to help you escape the coming wars? Nope. We will all either be taken out or we will stand up and fight.
SO, for those go along, get alongs, why not just go get fitted for your chains now? You already have them ordered for you AND your children.
fastback08
Veteran Member
All Dr. Paul can do at this point is to siphon enough votes from Romney to insure a Obama victory.
Dafodil
Veteran Member
+1000
undead
Veteran Member
there are no two "bites at the apple"
In most states these are your choices: http://www.politics1.com/p2012.htm
We covered a lot of this on the "check the election laws in your state" at http://www.timebomb2000.com/vb/showthread.php?411871-Check-your-state-s-election-laws&highlight=
What I don't understand is that people who claim to be so savvy and know the "facts" and believe absolutely in state level governence and rights would be so obtuse as to completely miss the obvious. I also find it striking that Dr. Paul himself, or at least one of his spokespeople are not straightening the misconception that what this poll is asking for is even possible. Not a peep out of Dr. Paul's arena. Why? What would the constructive purpose of his silence on this matter serve? It gives me a very bad feeling that his apparent "sour grapes" attitude and hurt feelings may be go far enough to intentionally split the vote in order to keep Obama in office thereby allowing him to go "see, I told you so." I would have thought that was beneath him ... but maybe not. He got in trouble after the 2008 election for similar actions that most people just put down to hesitance to throw his politcal weight behind any other candidate ... now I've heard people wondering if that was the case after all. At the very least it makes you question the integrity of a campaign team that would allow this to continue on unanswered/clarified.
We covered a lot of this on the "check the election laws in your state" at http://www.timebomb2000.com/vb/showthread.php?411871-Check-your-state-s-election-laws&highlight=
What I don't understand is that people who claim to be so savvy and know the "facts" and believe absolutely in state level governence and rights would be so obtuse as to completely miss the obvious. I also find it striking that Dr. Paul himself, or at least one of his spokespeople are not straightening the misconception that what this poll is asking for is even possible. Not a peep out of Dr. Paul's arena. Why? What would the constructive purpose of his silence on this matter serve? It gives me a very bad feeling that his apparent "sour grapes" attitude and hurt feelings may be go far enough to intentionally split the vote in order to keep Obama in office thereby allowing him to go "see, I told you so." I would have thought that was beneath him ... but maybe not. He got in trouble after the 2008 election for similar actions that most people just put down to hesitance to throw his politcal weight behind any other candidate ... now I've heard people wondering if that was the case after all. At the very least it makes you question the integrity of a campaign team that would allow this to continue on unanswered/clarified.
You have it backwards. You are the one advocating sitting on your butt and waiting for the collapse. You are the one who is too much a coward to fight NOW. If you really weren't a coward and you really did believe the election didn't matter you would be advocating violent revolution. But NOOOOO, you sit on your butt and criticize and belittle those who haven't given up the fight to peacefully turn this country around. That is beneath contempt.
Mountanin Man is still an American citizen living overseas. You I wonder about.
He didn't give up his citizenship yet, but almighty Wise Owl, dictator of all, arbiter of who has rights, too much of a coward to take action, the one who wants to sit home on her butt and let our democratic republic fail, says Mountain Man has no rights. Who the hell are you?
Whats next, are you going to revoke the citizenship of all our overseas military? After all they are out of country and have no say according to you.
It is you and those who advocate not voting because your frail messiah didn't get nominated who are now clamoring for chains. Kind of like saying, "You didn't vote for my choice so I'll show you. I hope the country falls apart, in fact I'll help it by not voting".
Do you really think Ron Paul could have made a difference?
He couldn't do crap without the support of Congress, and he does'nt have it. Hell he didn't have enough votes to come close to getting the nomination, and would have been lucky to get 10% in a general election.
You can either face reality, or you can hold your breath and stamp your feet until you turn blue. Holding your breath and stamping your feet makes you look dumb
and you change nothing. The only people who will change anything are the ones you are belittling, the ones who aren't sitting safe in their little rooms, the ones who are out in the political arean trying to turn this country around.Will they be successful?
Probably not, but at least they are trying instead of crying.
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bbkaren
Veteran Member
It's not on Ron Paul's official site, it's simply the site of a supporter. Signing this petition is a token gesture, and if he's going to run under another party he's making that decision on his own, not based on whether a petition gets 20,000 signatures.
Most people likely got the message that it has no basis in fact or law. For one, no one can make Dr. Paul do squat. For another, there is the legal issue of state level election law. Most real Paul supporters that I have talked to in the meat world seem to realize this and say those sign up sheets are nothing but "masturbation activities" or fraudulent data mining.
You have it backwards. You are the one advocating sitting on your butt and waiting for the collapse. You are the one who is too much a coward to fight NOW. If you really weren't a coward and you really did believe the election didn't matter you would be advocating violent revolution. But NOOOOO, you sent on your butt and criticize and belittle those who haven't given up the fight to peacefully turn this country around. You are beneath contempt.
Mountanin Man is still an American citizen living overseas. You I wonder about.
He didn't give up his citizenship yet, but almighty Wise Owl, dictator of all, arbiter of who has rights, too much of a coward to take action, the one who wants to sit home on her butt and let our democratic republic fail, says Mountain Man has no rights. Who the hell are you?
Whats next, are you going to revoke the citizenship of all our overseas military? After all they are out of country and have no say according to you.
It is you and those who advocate not voting because your frail messiah didn't get nominated and you who are now clamoring for chains. Kind of like saying, "You didn't vote for my choice so I'll show you. I hope the country falls apart".
Do you really think Ron Paul could have made a difference?
He couldn't do crap without the support of Congress, and he does'nt have it. Hell he didn't have enough votes to come close to getting the nomination, and would have been lucky to get 10% in a general election.
You can either face reality, or you can hold your breath and stamp your feet until you turn blue. Holding your breath and stamping your feet makes you look dumb
Will they be successful?
Probably not, but at least they are trying instead of crying.
Thank you TerryK.
By the way, it's "The Mountain" (unless WO was addressing someone else, I guess).
As to that, yes, I am still a US citizen, and taxpayer, so I ABSOLUTELY have every right to discuss the political situation there. I'm where I am because the Zer0's economics were and are so bad that I was out of work, and only found employment where I am now. Even if all that were not true, I am still a veteran of the U.S. Army, who served during wartime. That alone gives me authority to speak now and forevermore on what I think of the political direction of the U.S., regardless of whether I change my citizenship in the future or not; I, as the saying goes, handed the US a check payable up to and including my life. What have you done that compares, Wise Owl?
LightEcho
Has No Life - Lives on TB
Dennis- I wondered about the lack of FIGHT in Ron Paul too. Maybe it is age. Maybe it is a complacency waiting for a calling. I would not want to take on the mess of that job. We all know how bad things are and the president who actually takes the right steps will have dozens of snipers hired by the elite to shoot him asap. And there would be another dozen trying to poison him.... and another dozen trying to make his airplane crash..... etc.
The only real fighter we have for our interests will be the Messiah.... and I suspect that is a few years off still.
If Ron Paul ran, would he hand the election of to Obama? Maybe. So what? Does anyone think Romney will do anything good? Sure- he is much better in getting the books cooked up to smiley faces on the covers so that everyone will keep the ponzi scheme moving down the road. But, to what end will Romney take this country?
The only real fighter we have for our interests will be the Messiah.... and I suspect that is a few years off still.
If Ron Paul ran, would he hand the election of to Obama? Maybe. So what? Does anyone think Romney will do anything good? Sure- he is much better in getting the books cooked up to smiley faces on the covers so that everyone will keep the ponzi scheme moving down the road. But, to what end will Romney take this country?
psychgirl
Has No Life - Lives on TB
I know, me too. It's depressing, isn't it.
I appreciate the support for RP, I really do, but you all need to think about what you're doing!
Border guard
Inactive
Go ahead and vote for TPTB - Rombama. An individual has the right to vote anyway he or she believes - of course many would very much LIKE to see that changed - can't throw away a vote. It's our way or the highway! At least if you vote your conscience, you have stated what you believe and have stood up for your rights. How do you think a tyrant like Hitler got elected? I'd rather go down swinging than to meekly follow the crowd. I voted for Ross Perot, now you see he was right but the blind followers of the NWO have condemned us all to economic collapse.
psychgirl
Has No Life - Lives on TB
I just don't want to wake up the day after the election and know that we have 4 more years of Obama AND a collapse on top of it.....think about that for just a minute. Remember, never let a crisis go to waste. Obama & Co will RUN RAMPANT with a full 4 years of unfettered tyranny.
You watch and see.
Infoscout
The Dude Abides
The Libertarian Party already has a platform, and a candidate, a very good one too. Unlike Paul, Gary Johnston was a governor, and has a record of leadership to run on. Paul ran for president as a Republican, and did not get the nomination. His focus right now is keeping his campaign team together for his son to run in 2016. That is why he has not thrown his weight to the Libertarian party, because it would alienate his son who has already endorsed Romney. Ron Paul is done as a candidate. If you want to really do some good, lobby to allow the Libertarian candidate to debate with the republican and democratic candidates. That would help a lot more than wishing on a Ron Paul star.
Ragnarok
On and On, South of Heaven
...and...What's your point?
Romney has the same exact financial backers... Romney has stated that those backers sway how he votes.
The video is here, in case you don't believe me:
http://www.timebomb2000.com/vb/show...arok-s-World-Politics-101-Class-is-in-Session
So...your point is you rather a republican destroyed the country?
fairbanksb
Freedom Isn't Free
I don't even understand what they are trying to do. Are they advocating putting Paul on top of the Libertarian ticket and kicking Johnson to the VP slot? Rather presumptuous isn't it? Anybody talked to Johnson about that? Anybody even discussed this with Paul, or is this just something his supporters are wishing for?
fastback08
Veteran Member
My point is that, at this stage of the game, Dr. Paul, is a spoiler. We have seen what Obama can do, and the progressive way of life is not for me. Dr. Paul cannot get elected, Obama would be ruinous, and, although he is not my first choice, Romney just may be different enough to make a change. I, for one, am willing to chance it. Letting another Ross Perot determine the election is ludicrous.
LightEcho
Has No Life - Lives on TB
A spoiler? You have two rotten candidates in Obama and Romney and you call the only law-abiding contender a "spoiler"???
Try this experiment. Take a sirloin steak and a flank steak. Put them on separate plates exposed to the warm summer sun. Watch the flies swarm to them as they begin to emit a strong aroma. After a two days of this, visit your two prime cuts and observe the conditions. Open a bottle of fine wine and use it to rinse one of the steaks. Oh my... you just spoiled that steak with that wine.
Josie
Has No Life - Lives on TB
No, that is the term I meant to use. Killer intinct is necessary to survive in politics. Period. Maybe not to the extent of the Clintons but ya gotta be able to fight the fight. I don't see Paul doing that. The sharks in Dee Cee would eat him alive unless he has his own attack dog like Emanuel, Axelrod or Jarrett.
As I've said before...right message, wrong messenger.
Border Guard, more power to you. You voted for who you thought was right. You didn't tell everyone else not to vote. At least I hope not.
The trouble with this country is that about half the people are too lazy to even go vote.
About 40% think all they need to do is drag their sorry butt to the polls and mark a ballot and their job is done.
That leaves only about 10% who actually get involved, who contribute to candidates and volunteer to go door to door and talk to people and attend rallies as workers not just gawking bodies in a crowd.
Vicki
Girls With Guns Member
No Fairbanks. What they were advocating is Johnson and Johnson picking up Paul and having Judge Gray step down. IF RP couldn't do the VP position, they were hoping Johnson would pick him as Treasury Secretary or some other high profile position. Paul had a lot of followers and the Libertarian party was hoping to round them up. They already know that those followers were disillusioned with the status quo and many of them will not vote if R or O are the only choices. To them that's no choice at all.
It was discussed with Paul and he said he was concerned with the money, the power and the corruption. He said he was not thinking of persuing anything further but he hasn't ruled that out.
At 71 minutes in on that radio blog link from the original post.
fastback08
Veteran Member
I will reiterate. Note, I am typing this very slowly to aid you in your attempt to understand. A vote for Dr. Paul is a non vote. It may make you feel like you accomplished something, but, sadly that is not true. Your steak and wine analogy is lost on me. I cannot afford either as long as Obama is in office.
Tristan
Has No Life - Lives on TB
Or perhaps they are actually an cynical attempt by progressives to siphon votes away from the R ticket via write-in. In a close election, it could make a difference.
Sort of like calling the gullible and telling them that the election day has been moved to next week.
Or, maybe it's exactly what it seems, a Paul supported trying to hold on to the dream a little while longer.
Careful there. They tried that in Minn and they got Jesse Ventura. (On 2nd thought, maybe not a bad thing.) Since then, very little generic talk that you should vote. Instead, the effort is now pointed to only people on your side.
Border guard
Inactive
It doesn't matter to me how others vote, we all have to live with the end result. I voted for Perot because I thought he could help fix our economic problems brought on by NWO and free-trade. Rombama, IMHO, is just exacerbating financial collapse. The big thing is to vote - too many just stay home and grumble because their candidate isn't going to win - write someone in who you think would do better. Too many view this as a game, to be won or lost and they have to be on the winning side at all costs. To each his own.
fairbanksb
Freedom Isn't Free
I wouldn't vote for Paul as the VP. That is a useless position. This entire thing is a pipe dream by the Libertarian Parties own bylaws.
http://market-ticker.org/
Ron Paul 3rd Party Speculation
There has been a metric crapload of speculation all over the Internet about Ron Paul "jumping" to the Libertarian Party.
A spokesperson for the LNC has thrown quite a bit of cold water on this idea, and I want to comment on it too, as this is just the dream that won't die.
Look folks, I was one of the people sounding the alarm on the possibility of a Ron Paul "jump" to the Libertarian ticket in January and February. There were rumors coming into me through the back door at the time and I believe they were credible, although I won't out my sources for obvious reasons.
Let's just say that I have every reason to believe that Ron Paul's campaign (and Ron Paul himself) gave serious consideration toward doing exactly this.
While I would have been very unhappy had he done so after the State conventions and before National, as it would have been a raw subversion of the process he should have gone through, that beats trying to do it now through the back door.
And while I would have been very unhappy, with him on the ticket at the top, voted for by the delegates, I would have supported his run. I don't agree with everything Ron Paul stands for or has done, but my disagreements with his policy do not reach to personal integrity or refusal to recognize fundamental mathematics -- both of which instantly disqualify a candidate from my consideration.
But let's leave the ardor of this aside and look at the technical matters related to such a move. The LNC's Bylaws, which govern here, say the following:
ARTICLE 14: PRESIDENTIAL AND VICE-PRESIDENTIAL CAMPAIGNS
1. Nominations of candidates for President and Vice-President of the United States may be made only at the Regular Convention immediately preceding a Presidential election.
There is no means by which a new nomination can take place. The Convention has already occurred.
2. No candidate may be nominated for President or Vice-President who is ineligible under the United States Constitution, who has not expressed a willingness to accept the nomination of the Party, who served as a stand-in candidate during the current election cycle, or who is not a member of the Party. A stand-in is an individual who has agreed to be placed on a state affiliate’s nomination petition prior to the selection of nominees by the Libertarian Party at Convention.
No problems here.
3. In the event of the death, resignation, disqualification or suspension of the nomination of the Party's nominee for President, the Vice-Presidential nominee shall become the Presidential nominee. Two-thirds of the entire membership of the National Committee may, at a meeting, fill a Vice-Presidential vacancy, and, if necessary, a simultaneous Presidential vacancy.
4. The National Committee shall respect the vote of the delegates at Nominating Conventions and provide full support for the Party’s nominee for President and nominee for Vice-President as long as their campaigns are conducted in accordance with the Platform of the Party.
5. A candidate's nomination may be suspended by a 3/4 vote of the entire membership of the National Committee at a meeting. That candidate's nomination shall then be declared null and void unless the suspended candidate appeals the suspension to the Judicial Committee within seven days of receipt of notification of suspension. The resolution of suspension must state the specific reasons for suspension and must be signed by each member of the National Committee agreeing thereto. The Judicial Committee shall meet and act on this appeal within 30 days and before the election.
Here are the clauses (3-4) that apply; #5, obviously, does not.
So under the rules to be on the ballot as Vice President Judge Gray would have to resign. The LNC would then have to notice and call a meeting under the rules and vote to place him on the ballot. A 2/3rds majority would be required.
For Ron Paul to be on the ballot as President both Gray and Johnson would have to resign. Should Johnson resign then Gray automatically ascends to the top slot, so in order to prevent that he would have to resign as well. The Committe then would have to vote to replace both people at the same meeting, and both votes would require 2/3rds majorities.
In addition Ron Paul would have to be a member of the Party to accept the nomination under Clause #1, irrespective of the means by which it occurs.
That's the mechanics within the LNC.
Now here are the political realities at the State level.
Several States have already had their nominating deadlines close. Those States may well refuse to recognize the attempted substitution and may be on perfectly legal ground to do so. Then there are the States that permit substitutions only if they have not yet certified the form of the official ballot. In addition there form and substance of the State Libertarian Party Bylaws and Standing Rules may cause severe trouble as the State Parties are the ones who must submit the slate of electors and names; if they refuse to cooperate there is likely nothing National can do about it. While the assumption is that the State parties likely would cooperate this is not assured.
If that date for changes under "resignation, death or disability" has run then what probably happens is that the original names stand but a vote for that slate leaves the electors free to vote for the "substitute." Whether the people would be sufficiently educated to do so and would do so is an open question. If a given State refuses to accede to the substitution under the rubric that it is a ruse and not driven by actual disability then the Party and/or Paul's committee would have to sue and seek immediate injunctive relief; I have no clue as to the likely success of such an attempt. There are also likely to be a number of individual Libertarians as members of National, including a fair number of delegates, who might file suit as well arguing that they have been disenfranchised and that a deliberate ruse was engaged in. Again, I cannot judge the likely outcome of such a suit -- but the potential for it is quite real.
In any event this is nowhere near the sort of "slam dunk" sort of thing that people are thinking it might be. Further, it is highly unlikely that given these roadblocks and problems a win could be obtained. For this reason one must ask for what purpose is this being engaged in and those advocating it should consider long and hard whether their personal ethical standards are impaired by the advocacy and support of such an attempt.
Note that the clock is ticking on any such move of this sort, and if it is going to be made it must be done essentially now; ballot problems increase literally by the day and as such an attempt must either be made within the next few days or abandoned.
Personally, I would vote for a Ron Paul led ticket, but not one with him in the VP slot as it is a fact that from an actual executive perspective the only salient task the VP actually performs in a capacity that is his without question (and which cannot be overridden) is breaking ties in The Senate.
We certainly live in interesting times.
http://market-ticker.org/
Ron Paul 3rd Party Speculation
There has been a metric crapload of speculation all over the Internet about Ron Paul "jumping" to the Libertarian Party.
A spokesperson for the LNC has thrown quite a bit of cold water on this idea, and I want to comment on it too, as this is just the dream that won't die.
Look folks, I was one of the people sounding the alarm on the possibility of a Ron Paul "jump" to the Libertarian ticket in January and February. There were rumors coming into me through the back door at the time and I believe they were credible, although I won't out my sources for obvious reasons.
Let's just say that I have every reason to believe that Ron Paul's campaign (and Ron Paul himself) gave serious consideration toward doing exactly this.
While I would have been very unhappy had he done so after the State conventions and before National, as it would have been a raw subversion of the process he should have gone through, that beats trying to do it now through the back door.
And while I would have been very unhappy, with him on the ticket at the top, voted for by the delegates, I would have supported his run. I don't agree with everything Ron Paul stands for or has done, but my disagreements with his policy do not reach to personal integrity or refusal to recognize fundamental mathematics -- both of which instantly disqualify a candidate from my consideration.
But let's leave the ardor of this aside and look at the technical matters related to such a move. The LNC's Bylaws, which govern here, say the following:
ARTICLE 14: PRESIDENTIAL AND VICE-PRESIDENTIAL CAMPAIGNS
1. Nominations of candidates for President and Vice-President of the United States may be made only at the Regular Convention immediately preceding a Presidential election.
There is no means by which a new nomination can take place. The Convention has already occurred.
2. No candidate may be nominated for President or Vice-President who is ineligible under the United States Constitution, who has not expressed a willingness to accept the nomination of the Party, who served as a stand-in candidate during the current election cycle, or who is not a member of the Party. A stand-in is an individual who has agreed to be placed on a state affiliate’s nomination petition prior to the selection of nominees by the Libertarian Party at Convention.
No problems here.
3. In the event of the death, resignation, disqualification or suspension of the nomination of the Party's nominee for President, the Vice-Presidential nominee shall become the Presidential nominee. Two-thirds of the entire membership of the National Committee may, at a meeting, fill a Vice-Presidential vacancy, and, if necessary, a simultaneous Presidential vacancy.
4. The National Committee shall respect the vote of the delegates at Nominating Conventions and provide full support for the Party’s nominee for President and nominee for Vice-President as long as their campaigns are conducted in accordance with the Platform of the Party.
5. A candidate's nomination may be suspended by a 3/4 vote of the entire membership of the National Committee at a meeting. That candidate's nomination shall then be declared null and void unless the suspended candidate appeals the suspension to the Judicial Committee within seven days of receipt of notification of suspension. The resolution of suspension must state the specific reasons for suspension and must be signed by each member of the National Committee agreeing thereto. The Judicial Committee shall meet and act on this appeal within 30 days and before the election.
Here are the clauses (3-4) that apply; #5, obviously, does not.
So under the rules to be on the ballot as Vice President Judge Gray would have to resign. The LNC would then have to notice and call a meeting under the rules and vote to place him on the ballot. A 2/3rds majority would be required.
For Ron Paul to be on the ballot as President both Gray and Johnson would have to resign. Should Johnson resign then Gray automatically ascends to the top slot, so in order to prevent that he would have to resign as well. The Committe then would have to vote to replace both people at the same meeting, and both votes would require 2/3rds majorities.
In addition Ron Paul would have to be a member of the Party to accept the nomination under Clause #1, irrespective of the means by which it occurs.
That's the mechanics within the LNC.
Now here are the political realities at the State level.
Several States have already had their nominating deadlines close. Those States may well refuse to recognize the attempted substitution and may be on perfectly legal ground to do so. Then there are the States that permit substitutions only if they have not yet certified the form of the official ballot. In addition there form and substance of the State Libertarian Party Bylaws and Standing Rules may cause severe trouble as the State Parties are the ones who must submit the slate of electors and names; if they refuse to cooperate there is likely nothing National can do about it. While the assumption is that the State parties likely would cooperate this is not assured.
If that date for changes under "resignation, death or disability" has run then what probably happens is that the original names stand but a vote for that slate leaves the electors free to vote for the "substitute." Whether the people would be sufficiently educated to do so and would do so is an open question. If a given State refuses to accede to the substitution under the rubric that it is a ruse and not driven by actual disability then the Party and/or Paul's committee would have to sue and seek immediate injunctive relief; I have no clue as to the likely success of such an attempt. There are also likely to be a number of individual Libertarians as members of National, including a fair number of delegates, who might file suit as well arguing that they have been disenfranchised and that a deliberate ruse was engaged in. Again, I cannot judge the likely outcome of such a suit -- but the potential for it is quite real.
In any event this is nowhere near the sort of "slam dunk" sort of thing that people are thinking it might be. Further, it is highly unlikely that given these roadblocks and problems a win could be obtained. For this reason one must ask for what purpose is this being engaged in and those advocating it should consider long and hard whether their personal ethical standards are impaired by the advocacy and support of such an attempt.
Note that the clock is ticking on any such move of this sort, and if it is going to be made it must be done essentially now; ballot problems increase literally by the day and as such an attempt must either be made within the next few days or abandoned.
Personally, I would vote for a Ron Paul led ticket, but not one with him in the VP slot as it is a fact that from an actual executive perspective the only salient task the VP actually performs in a capacity that is his without question (and which cannot be overridden) is breaking ties in The Senate.
We certainly live in interesting times.
and people STILL refuse to acknowledge the fact THE MAN ANNOUNCED HIS RETIREMENT! HELLO WAKE UP FOLKS HE ISN'T THE ONLY 3RD PARTY CANDIDATE OUT THERE!
I've been pretty up front that I am open to a 3rd party candidate however ditching Bams needs to be the first priority WHILE building up a 3rd party bench to choose from at the same time. THAT is how a government is changed!
RP is a MAN not a GOD there are others worthy of your adulation out there and who WANT to lead!
Kadosh
Membership Revoked
That's something the RNC should have considered when they shut Paul and his supporters out of the convention!