Contagion Preps for coronavirus

[ktrapper]

Lomatium Root:
I started eating pieces of the dried root 6 days ago. Yep got the rash. Apparently I needed the detox. It’s a little itchy but not bad. I have it inside my thighs, abdomen and back and around my knees. From what I read it’s detoxing viruses and stuff that have been hiding in the deep tissue and the body is expelling it through the skin, the largest organ. Good, get it the heck out. It’s supposed to be a one time rash. I think the older you are the more likely you are to get the rash. Older means more stuff to detox. So be it.
My daughter has been taking it for two weeks
No rash for her.
I also started yesterday the Wim Hof method of deep breathing. It detoxes as well and is said to kill nasties in the body. I may have excellerated the lomatium detox by starting the deep breathing too. But what ever. We are are working on getting our immune systems to peak performance.

 

[Old Gray Mare]

Bought a hot water bottle. When I feel chilled and piling on more blankets doesn't do the job I want a nice old fashion hot, hot water bottle. As far as I know they work with hot or cold water, depending on what's needed.

Picked up more rice and beans. Meals may be boring but there's food for a while. Also picked up some bullion, spices and flavorings that may help. There is a part of me that's still hoping this coronavirus will blow over like the bird flu scare a while back. I doubt that it will but it would be nice if it did.

 

[L.A.B.]

Considering the shortages of one-time or ‘single use’ N-95 and N-99 mask, thinking outside the 10 count box and currently entertaining a different approach...

How to make a single use mask viable for further use?

Goals:

To block / filter and deactivate / denature the Corona virus caught in the filter media.

To extend the useful application of a typical PPE fiber respiratory with daily steaming, or moistening with spray bottle and placing in the mircrowave for XX amount of seconds and air or oven drying at a safe for product material temperature afterward.

Feasible?

 

[summerthyme]

Considering the shortages of one-time or ‘single use’ N-95 and N-99 mask, thinking outside the 10 count box and currently entertaining a different approach...

How to make a single use mask viable for further use?

Goals:

To block / filter and deactivate / denature the Corona virus caught in the filter media.

To extend the useful application of a typical PPE fiber respiratory with daily steaming, or moistening with spray bottle and placing in the mircrowave for XX amount of seconds and air or oven drying at a safe for product material temperature afterward.

Feasible?

Not according to this link. I have no idea how accurate the info is...

CORONA - Main Coronavirus thread

Bunker door one Inch from shut, one eye peeking out....hand on lock bar, shoulder against door...

xf.timebomb2000.com

Summerthyme

 

[1911user]

delete - posted in wrong thread.

Moved here: http://xf.timebomb2000.com/xf/index.php?threads/main-coronavirus-thread.566780/post-7574997

 

[Old Gray Mare]

Change of habit

Instead of pouring cereal into a bowl I now measure it out at what I consider a serving size. I may start doing that with other foods as well. I notice a container of cereal is now lasting me longer than it did before and I still feel full after breakfast.

The idea of rationing during an emergency has been touched on. Practicing it has not.

 

[Zahra]

My apologies in advance if this information's already been posted, but for those of you that plan to rely on "hand sanitizers" rather than frequent hand washing:

The FDA warned the makers of Purell hand sanitizer to stop some of their marketing claims just before this crisis began. Purell made claims that their hand sanitizer killed flu viruses and the FDA said they didn’t have the research to back that up.

F.D.A. Warns Purell to Stop Claiming It Can Prevent Ebola or Flu?

Per the article: According to the agency’s warning letter, one company passage said: “Are Purell hand sanitizer products effective against the flu? The F.D.A. does not allow hand sanitizer brands to make viral claims, but from a scientific perspective, influenza is an enveloped virus. Enveloped viruses in general are easily killed or inactivated by alcohol. The World Health Organization and the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention are recommending the use of alcohol-based hand sanitizer as a preventive measure for flu prevention.”

The C.D.C.’s current advice on its website says that washing hands with soap and water is the best way to reduce the spread of germs in most situations. If soap and water are not readily available, the agency recommends using an alcohol-based hand sanitizer that contains at least 60 percent alcohol.

Gojo’s website states that its hand sanitizers are 70 percent ethyl alcohol.”

In a different article which I can not find, the claim was that alcohol takes several minutes to kill a virus, IIRC as much as a half an hour.

 

[SouthernBreeze]

My apologies in advance if this information's already been posted, but for those of you that plan to rely on "hand sanitizers" rather than frequent hand washing:

The FDA warned the makers of Purell hand sanitizer to stop some of their marketing claims just before this crisis began. Purell made claims that their hand sanitizer killed flu viruses and the FDA said they didn’t have the research to back that up.

F.D.A. Warns Purell to Stop Claiming It Can Prevent Ebola or Flu?

Per the article: According to the agency’s warning letter, one company passage said: “Are Purell hand sanitizer products effective against the flu? The F.D.A. does not allow hand sanitizer brands to make viral claims, but from a scientific perspective, influenza is an enveloped virus. Enveloped viruses in general are easily killed or inactivated by alcohol. The World Health Organization and the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention are recommending the use of alcohol-based hand sanitizer as a preventive measure for flu prevention.”

The C.D.C.’s current advice on its website says that washing hands with soap and water is the best way to reduce the spread of germs in most situations. If soap and water are not readily available, the agency recommends using an alcohol-based hand sanitizer that contains at least 60 percent alcohol.

Gojo’s website states that its hand sanitizers are 70 percent ethyl alcohol.”

In a different article which I can not find, the claim was that alcohol takes several minutes to kill a virus, IIRC as much as a half an hour.

Thanks, Zahra. When we are out and about in town, and frequent hand washing isn't available, we use Purell. I just looked at what I have in my purse, and it says that it's 70% alcohol.

 

[Zahra]

Thanks, Zahra. When we are out and about in town, and frequent hand washing isn't available, we use Purell. I just looked at what I have in my purse, and it says that it's 70% alcohol.

Remember that it still may take up to a half hour to actually kill virus spores even if it's 70% alcohol, so use the gel but try to avoid touching your nose, eyes, or mouth until you've had a chance to properly wash your hands anyway.

 

[SouthernBreeze]

Remember that it still may take up to a half hour to actually kill virus spores even if it's 70% alcohol, so use the gel but try to avoid touching your nose, eyes, or mouth until you've had a chance to properly wash your hands anyway.

For sure! Thanks!

 

[Profit of Doom]

Integrated Circuit Chips

Aren't the majority of the world's computer chips currently produced in China? If trade with China is interpreted or there are production problems due to quarantines and interruptions in supply shipments this could be a problem.

The US no longer supports the idea of keeping critical industries on shore. The only thing in the last decade or so I remember Congress critters fighting to keep in the US was the production of the Federal Reserve Note.

I think North Korea is a Second Source Supplier for that item.

 

[Profit of Doom]

I don't have “lite salt” it’s half/half sodium and potassium chlorides or salt substitute. Can I substitute an equal amount of sea salt for the above?

As has been mentioned, do not reduce the sugar or use a substitute sweetener. Sugar carries the other electrolytes into the bloodstream. KoolAid may not taste good, jello has been mentioned. Experiment now, while it’s easy to get things.

 

[Old Gray Mare]

As has been mentioned, do not reduce the sugar or use a substitute sweetener. Sugar carries the other electrolytes into the bloodstream. KoolAid may not taste good, jello has been mentioned. Experiment now, while it’s easy to get things.

It's been awhile since I checked but KoolAid was and maybe still has a high lactose content. That may pose a dietary concern for some people. Please remember to check ingredients and remember those with special dietary needs. A dietary intolerance or food allergy usually doesn't disappear just because there's an emergency.

 

[Old Gray Mare]

As has been mentioned, do not reduce the sugar or use a substitute sweetener. Sugar carries the other electrolytes into the bloodstream. KoolAid may not taste good, jello has been mentioned. Experiment now, while it’s easy to get things.

I've seen recipes for savory rehydration solutions. Bouillon cubes or stock cubes or broth cubes were used instead of KoolAid. Again the cubes may contain ingredients like MSG or lactose.

My thought is rehydration solution will not do anyone any good in the bottle. I don't even want to try getting unflavored solution down a sick, petulant child's throat (especially the supposedly adult ones).

 

[JMG91]

Figured that I'd put this in here rather than in the main thread. Jubilee on Earth mentioned that she uses a natural disinfecting spray on the bottoms of her shoes before she goes in the house; I also started doing the same thing. I boiled fresh rosemary--my mother has a tree of it in her front yard --put it in small, dark-colored spray bottles I purchased on Amazon, and add tea tree oil, lemon oil, and eventually plan to add some thieves oil and witch hazel as well once I can find a pure version of it. (I've been told that the witch hazel at the grocery store can contain bad elements to it.)

 

[summerthyme]

I've seen recipes for savory rehydration solutions. Bouillon cubes or stock cubes or broth cubes were used instead of KoolAid. Again the cubes may contain ingredients like MSG or lactose.

My thought is rehydration solution will not do anyone any good in the bottle. I don't even want to try getting unflavored solution down a sick, petulant child's throat (especially the supposedly adult ones).

Now that's genius! I detest any of the normal "remedies" for nausea and vomiting... don't like tea or soda when I'm feeling good, and Gatorade is awful! But if my stomach is touchy or I'm actually sick with a stomach bug, I find a cup of warm chicken boullion usually stays down. I need to find some numbers on the levels of the various minerals... Dunno if it would need anything except sugar added yo it.

Summerthyme

 

[Freeholder]

Bouillon is what we often use for ‘sickies,’ too. I need to get some more!

Kathleen

 

[Old Gray Mare]

I have read in the past about I think the Spanish flu, where people put an cut onions in their homes to combat the flu germs ?? Wondering if this would work with this flu ?? Thoughts ??

I don't know of any research that suggests the scent of onions can kill airborne germs. It could hide other more distasteful smells of sickness like vomit or diarrhea?

I know when I was a child my grandmother used what were called sweat or sweet jars: a small bowl with water and some herb, spice or citrus in it to sweeten the air in a room. They were put on the floor up against the wall out of the way of foot traffic. I'm guessing this is what was used before the advent of air fresheners in spray bottles. She would have been a child at the time of the Spanish flu.

 

[forpetesake]

Prep item I just thought of. If you have the type of vehicle that has a keyless FOB, make sure you have batteries for it. My vehicle does not have a mechanical key, so if the battery is dead I'm SOL.

 

[Old Gray Mare]

I sent a care package out today. Among other things it contained N95's and gloves. I double checked my local hardware store. They had one way overpriced N95 mask left. It came with safety goggles and what looked like ear plugs. The clerk told me as soon as they get masks in they go out. I also picked up storage bins with lids. I figure they can double as water storage if things get interesting.

 

[CaryC]

Also when prepping you got to have one of these, or you just won't make it.

 

[nomifyle]

In regards to curcumin.

I’m not a concerned Mom, nor a health care professional, yet I will take the time to do a few brief testimonies in regards to results after taking curcumin.


During a 5-K low tide rock run one day, I twisted (spring) my ankle. As soon as I detected the give away collapse, I no longer tasked that leg with support and simply aim my butt at the next large rock to fall into.

My ankle was probably 100ths of a second from snapping. Running as a kid in high school and afterwards, this was number 3 in my life to date.

I hopped off the rocky terrain on my left leg alone for over 440 yards up the trail off the beach. I was not going to have emergency services tasked with my exodus. My game, my risk.

By midnight when I fell asleep I recalled my Mom (long since passed), telling me of curcumin’s ability with ‘any’ inflammation. Mom was a vitamin fan/fanatic so I wasn’t so sure if she wanted to believe what she knew, or had experienced it firsthand.

1st hand testimonial:

At midnight I took 6x 500 mg, or 3-grams of Curcumin. Since I take NO PRESCRIPTION MED’s of any sort, I was ok taking the Chalky-dry powdered Curcumin that uses the compound a derivative of black pepper that helps your intestines absorb the chalky stuff that I had mixed with olive oil.

I woke at 0600 with six hours sleep, I wanted to forget the nightmare of my super fat ankle that I went to bed with. I looked down at my ankle, it was back to normal size. Unbelievable, except it was real.

A few years later a co-worker who is over weight, drinks hard, and exercises not, hobbles into the dry-cleaner. I walk up and recommend curcumin. Next time I see him he runs up to me like a line backer and grabs my hand and thanks me for his pain free mobility.

Here is where the potential maybe useful. I have never yet attacked a respiratory illness with Curcumin. The following video may shed light on such potential with our understanding of Curcumin’s anti-inflammatory effects.

11 minutes-10 seconds of video to follow at the link below.

View: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=okg7uq_HrhQ


Black pepper opens up-stimulates the stomach and intestines to absorb more of whatever you swallow; med’s included. Not something you want to do if your looking for consistency in processed bio-absorbed prescribed dosage. I learned that lesson with my brother who takes other med’s... What a mess the chemical change up to his psych-med’s were.

Lessons Learned - My Mistake. Be advised of black pepper compounds for this reason.

Pay a little more for Curcumin without black pepper compounds if you take prescription meds.

I take up to 2,000mg. most days along with BioPerine (black pepper) and have been off and on for years. It is very helpful with pain, when I do take it I don't have pain that keeps me from sleeping. I like to keep a few months supply on hand at all times.

Judy

 

[Old Gray Mare]

One thing not mentioned so far is the possibility of an interruptions in fuel supplies like gas and diesel. I'm considering picking up locking gas caps and a Brooklyn credit card (AKA as a fuel syphon).

 

[Sandcastle76]

I just bought N-95 face masks.. they are on sale at Harbor Freight for $0.99 and they also have the fitted, flip up face masks on sale for $2.99.. they also have a good supply of various mil n sizes of nitrile gloves.. if you get their sale mailer there is also a 20% off coupon for any one item.. didn’t think I would find many of the sale items and was pleasantly surprised. Hope this helps others. I also got a half gallon garden pump up type sprayer for $5.99, to use to decontaminate if it comes to that

 

[hummer]

Pinecone have you thought about sprouts? Beans aren't the only edible sprouts: radish, beet and broccoli to name a few. Just a thought.

Sprouting is very easy and not time consuming. I get my sprouts from. sprout people.org

 

[hummer]

Also, if our diets change there is always the risk of..........constipation...shhhhhh. lol. I have this wonderful tea...Traditional Medicinals organic Smooth Move. Yes, that is the name. lol. Cracks me up but it works wonderfully!!! A friend of my daughter got some for her for the side effects of chemo. We buy it from our local Whole Foods Co-op. ENJOY.

 

[Old Gray Mare]

Defending supplies during a pandemic/emergency.
This topic usually devolves into an argument on caliber and OPSEC. Those are all well and good but not where this is going. Below is some of my experience (mistakes) others may learn from.

Rats and mice
Snap and have a heart traps can be reused, sticky traps cannot but sometimes critters get wise to the reusable traps. Rat/mice bait/poisons can be problematic for pets and kids. Tip: rodent pee can be corrosive and eat thru metal canning lids over time. Washing lids after an infestation can help prevent this.

Periodically scouting outside of the house for ways they can get in and sealing those accesses can help. I’ve used steel wool to plug some holes where I couldn’t use mortar or concrete. Please remember the vermin can climb. Any tree limbs resting on or near a roof could serve as a highway for rats, mice or worse. You may want to reconsider mortaring around pipes. I've seen that done where the house "settled" and the pipe got bent.

Found out the hard way chickens don't eat feed at night, rats do. Taking up the feed at night and putting traps in the barn solved a serious problem.

Storing supplies in rat and mice proof containers. I’ve never had them chew thru metal or glass.

Bugs
Storing dried bulk food and spices in airtight storage containers can keep infestations from spreading. I’ve found canning jars with metal lids words well for this.

I put dried bay leaves in with most of the dried bulk foods I store. I also put bay leaves on the shelves where I store my food to repel bugs. For the bugs that don’t take the hint I use Boric Acid and powdered sugar strategically placed so bugs can get to it but pets and kids can’t. I’ve used diatomic earth as well. I’ve tried using ant and roach traps with varying success. Nothing seems to work all the time, every time.

I’ve had bugs that can chew thru plastic bags but not plastic airtight storage buckets. Hint: over time I’ve had plastic storage buckets impart a nasty chemical smell to dried bulk foods like beans and grains.

Try to avoid bringing vermin into the home. Watch for bugs or egg cases stuck to or in the folds or creases of packaging. Reused cardboard boxes from food stores can hide roaches and other nasties.

Decay
Rotate supplies and check them periodically. Store them properly. Realize you can do everything right and things can still get screwed up.

 

[Illini Warrior]

Defending supplies during a pandemic/emergency.
This topic usually devolves into an argument on caliber and OPSEC. Those are all well and good but not where this is going. Below is some of my experience (mistakes) others may learn from.

Rats and mice
Snap and have a heart traps can be reused, sticky traps cannot but sometimes critters get wise to the reusable traps. Rat/mice bait/poisons can be problematic for pets and kids. Tip: rodent pee can be corrosive and eat thru metal canning lids over time. Washing lids after an infestation can help prevent this.

Periodically scouting outside of the house for ways they can get in and sealing those accesses can help. I’ve used steel wool to plug some holes where I couldn’t use mortar or concrete. Please remember the vermin can climb. Any tree limbs resting on or near a roof could serve as a highway for rats, mice or worse. You may want to reconsider mortaring around pipes. I've seen that done where the house "settled" and the pipe got bent.

Found out the hard way chickens don't eat feed at night, rats do. Taking up the feed at night and putting traps in the barn solved a serious problem.

Storing supplies in rat and mice proof containers. I’ve never had them chew thru metal or glass.

Bugs
Storing dried bulk food and spices in airtight storage containers can keep infestations from spreading. I’ve found canning jars with metal lids words well for this.

I put dried bay leaves in with most of the dried bulk foods I store. I also put bay leaves on the shelves where I store my food to repel bugs. For the bugs that don’t take the hint I use Boric Acid and powdered sugar strategically placed so bugs can get to it but pets and kids can’t. I’ve used diatomic earth as well. I’ve tried using ant and roach traps with varying success. Nothing seems to work all the time, every time.

I’ve had bugs that can chew thru plastic bags but not plastic airtight storage buckets. Hint: over time I’ve had plastic storage buckets impart a nasty chemical smell to dried bulk foods like beans and grains.

Try to avoid bringing vermin into the home. Watch for bugs or egg cases stuck to or in the folds or creases of packaging. Reused cardboard boxes from food stores can hide roaches and other nasties.

Decay
Rotate supplies and check them periodically. Store them properly. Realize you can do everything right and things can still get screwed up.

the taint into the stored food might not have been caused by the actual storage bucket >>>> those buckets aren't airtite - the poly is permeable and will allow the outside atmosphere to penetrate - if you use 02 absorbers there's actually a vacuum pull - that atmosphere around the bucket will pick up musty damp basement stink - fuel oil from a furnace tank - stored chemicals - gas for the mower ect ect

 

[1911user]

Use O2 absorbers inside sealed mylar bags, and store those inside the buckets to prevent taste contamination and rodent attack. The mylar seals the food and the sealed bucket protects the mylar bag(s).

 

[Old Gray Mare]

the taint into the stored food might not have been caused by the actual storage bucket >>>> those buckets aren't airtite - the poly is permeable and will allow the outside atmosphere to penetrate - if you use 02 absorbers there's actually a vacuum pull - that atmosphere around the bucket will pick up musty damp basement stink - fuel oil from a furnace tank - stored chemicals - gas for the mower ect ect

Sorry no "musty damp basement stink" or "fuel oil". Food wasn't stored in a basement or near any chemicals or fuel.

 

[momengineer]

Asking here as to not junk up the main Coronavirus thread....has anyone ordered prednisone on all day chemist? For the life of me, I can’t find it (or rather the Indian name/version)....this would be taken only as a last ditch effort, as I’m still not 100% sold on purchasing from overseas but I have a child that develops hives to an allergic reaction and I just want to have an emergency/tshtf stash (to hopefully never use!). Thanks in advance!!

 

[summerthyme]

No, they don't carry it. And for the life of me, I don't know why!

Summerthyme

 

[night driver]

Asking here as to not junk up the main Coronavirus thread....has anyone ordered prednisone on all day chemist? For the life of me, I can’t find it (or rather the Indian name/version)....this would be taken only as a last ditch effort, as I’m still not 100% sold on purchasing from overseas but I have a child that develops hives to an allergic reaction and I just want to have an emergency/tshtf stash (to hopefully never use!). Thanks in advance!!

You DO recognize that benadryl is the FIRST line drug for combatting an allergic or anaphylactic attack, right??

 

[Old Gray Mare]

Picked up some containers of baby food. Figure it's shelf safe, comes in a variety of foods and is easily digested. The serving sizes are small but usually so are the appetites of people down with the flu or other nasty virus.

Also picked up some #10 cans of peaches and pears in syrup. If I have to open the canned fruit and it doesn't get eaten fast enough and there's no refrigeration, my plan is to transfer the fruit and syrup to glass containers and add brandy. I've brandied fruit with just fruit, brandy and white sugar. It's kept in a cool dark basement for months in a temperate climate. Be warned after a month or so it gets real "happy". So the theory's sound not sure yet about the execution. I'll discard it if it goes off but I don't anticipate it happening.

It's good to have a plan.

 

[Hfcomms]

Pulse oximeters so you can monitor your O2 saturation in case you do get sick. They are cheap and can be hand for $12 or so. I have a few of them.

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www.amazon.com

 

[psychgirl]

Asking here as to not junk up the main Coronavirus thread....has anyone ordered prednisone on all day chemist? For the life of me, I can’t find it (or rather the Indian name/version)....this would be taken only as a last ditch effort, as I’m still not 100% sold on purchasing from overseas but I have a child that develops hives to an allergic reaction and I just want to have an emergency/tshtf stash (to hopefully never use!). Thanks in advance!!

I looked for that myself... kept thinking I was missing it somehow. But nope, they don’t have it.
I need steroids a couple times a year for a situation I have so was really hoping to find some for my stash.

 

[momengineer]

I looked for that myself... kept thinking I was missing it somehow. But nope, they don’t have it.
I need steroids a couple times a year for a situation I have so was really hoping to find some for my stash.

Thanks for looking! Makes me feel better that im not just missing it somehow!

 

[Leigh19717]

Trying to stay away from Walmart, so I hit the dollar store (everything 1.00) this morning as I needed more readers.

Everything looked ok as stock but there was no bread like there always is. Asked the clerk and she said there is a problem with the delivery and won’t see any till after the first week of March. Thought that was weird.

I will say though, they have nose spray by Assured, which is like their brand name off brand lol. Compared to afrin severe congestion. Same ingredients and size. Difference in price is 7.99 for afrin and 1.00 for this. I’ve had some allergy issues this week and have needed nose spray so I though I would try it. Works wonderfully. So I’ll go back and get more just in case since it could help with being comfortable with a flu to be able to breath through your nose lol. Also picked up small bottles of Tylenol and Advil generics as well to have some more on hand. Made in China of course but felt that it wouldn’t be affected. After this week I won’t buy anything made in China.

also picked up some more ramen noodle packs (6 packs) and penne noodles. Again each one only 1.00.

I would suggest going in and seeing what you can find at yours. Doesn’t hurt to fill in spots with dollar items.

 

[Hfcomms]

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[psychgirl]

Regarding bleach you need to remember, it degrades very quickly to use as a disinfectant. We use it at work a LOT but after a day or two, when diluted, it’s no longer as good. Try a little experiment at home by using a small spray bottle and you’ll see what I mean. The bleach smell very quickly goes away.

We had a meeting about this, not long ago, about keeping workplace sanitary with sick animals. I change out our bleach bottles almost daily.

We also use other cleaners but bleach is what home users will have access to.