FASCISM Platte County (MO) Sheriff’s Office prepares for controversial FBI CCW information audit

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Ogre

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(Platte County is part of the Metropolitan Kansas City Area)

PLATTE CITY, Mo. — The Platte County Sheriff is getting ready to welcome the FBI to town next week for what the Bureau calls a routine audit for the system that law enforcement use to track criminal justice information like fingerprints and criminal histories.

The audit is to make sure that those records are being accessed in the proper ways and for the proper reasons. They happen across a few states every year, generally circling back every three years. A similar audit happened in Missouri in 2018.

Unlike in 2018, audit teams are asking to access information about Concealed Carry Weapons (CCW) permits in Missouri, which puts the Platte County Sheriff’s Office in a bind.

“The topics that were selected for this audit had implications with Missouri law related to CCWs and the 2nd Amendment Preservation Act,” said Platte County Sheriff spokesperson Major Erik Holland.

The 2nd Amendment Preservation Act, “prohibits state and local cooperation with federal officials that attempt to enforce any laws, rules, orders, or actions that violate the Second Amendment rights of Missourians,” according to a news release from Governor Mike Parson’s office from June 2021 when it was signed into law.

Functionally, it means, “one of the largest concerns is the identity of individuals with firearms ownership or concealed carry permits,” Holland said.

Missouri Attorney General Eric Schmitt and Missouri Senator Josh Hawley each sent letters to FBI Director Chris Wray criticizing the FBI in general and specifically over its attempt to get information from Missouri Sheriff’s Offices that they aren’t allowed to give.

Thursday, Senator Hawley criticized Director Wray in person in a hearing.

“You’re putting them in a terrible position where in the State of Missouri, state law says they cannot turn over these personal records,” Hawley said, referring to county Sheriffs. “The Sheriffs cannot and you’re asking them to.”
 
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Walrus

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Ogre said:
(Platte County is part of the Metropolitan Kansas City Area)

PLATTE CITY, Mo. — The Platte County Sheriff is getting ready to welcome the FBI to town next week for what the Bureau calls a routine audit for the system that law enforcement use to track criminal justice information like fingerprints and criminal histories.

The audit is to make sure that those records are being accessed in the proper ways and for the proper reasons. They happen across a few states every year, generally circling back every three years. A similar audit happened in Missouri in 2018.

Unlike in 2018, audit teams are asking to access information about Concealed Carry Weapons (CCW) permits in Missouri, which puts the Platte County Sheriff’s Office in a bind.

“The topics that were selected for this audit had implications with Missouri law related to CCWs and the 2nd Amendment Preservation Act,” said Platte County Sheriff spokesperson Major Erik Holland.

The 2nd Amendment Preservation Act, “prohibits state and local cooperation with federal officials that attempt to enforce any laws, rules, orders, or actions that violate the Second Amendment rights of Missourians,” according to a news release from Governor Mike Parson’s office from June 2021 when it was signed into law.

Functionally, it means, “one of the largest concerns is the identity of individuals with firearms ownership or concealed carry permits,” Holland said.

Missouri Attorney General Eric Schmitt and Missouri Senator Josh Hawley each sent letters to FBI Director Chris Wray criticizing the FBI in general and specifically over its attempt to get information from Missouri Sheriff’s Offices that they aren’t allowed to give.

Thursday, Senator Hawley criticized Director Wray in person in a hearing.

“You’re putting them in a terrible position where in the State of Missouri, state law says they cannot turn over these personal records,” Hawley said, referring to county Sheriffs. “The Sheriffs cannot and you’re asking them to.”
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Hawley is 100% correct.

Just shows you what a dingus sheriff can do to be traitorous to the people in his county. This same audit demand came to our sheriff (Douglas County) and he told them where to shove it, and Eric Schmitt (MO AG who just won the Republican primary for Senate) backed him up completely, based on Missouri's SAPA law.
 
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Luddite

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Apparently, these audits have been routine. You use uncle fud's database you must follow fud's rules.

Here's an example I was given: they rolled in and found a guy's birthday didn't match between two databases. Clearly just a clerical goof at some point. Fud's solution was "go pull his permit". Rumor has it sheriff said "No".
Impasse.

JMHO, fud will begin to deny the use of their databases.

I like to keep my ccp. I plan my vacations around where I am legally allowed the ahem, privilege of self-defense.

I suspect reciprocity will get harder to find.

Maybe we can get nationwide constitutional carry. Lol. I amuse myself. my body my choice

Ftr: our permits are public record. Our left wing chamber pot newspaper posted the name of every permit holder as they were issued. No secrets from fud.

Eta: I'm not in MO. This issue has been discussed irl for a couple of weeks.
 
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Griz3752

Griz3752

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I'm in TN so not real familiar w/ any other jurisdictions' law regarding this situation. Sounds like MO was forward thinking and saw a potential danger to MO citizens; hence the 2nd Amendment Preservation Act.

Reading it, the intent seems very clear and justifiable. The feebs take direction from the current administration so as that group is anti-gun, the sentiment trickles down. The feebs also have a history using the "Federal" part of their name as a club and doing what they want, if & when they decide to but it's usually overreaching.

I wish other states had enacted similar legislation. .....
 
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Dozdoats

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NC has such stupidly paranoid requirements for a permit that I never renewed mine in NC when I moved my ofishul residency back here and gave up my AL permit.

When it becomes apparent I need to carry more than an oak walking stick, I will open carry.
 
day late

day late

money? whats that?
Dozdoats said:
A reasonable conclusion.

OTOH, the more blocks you check, the more unwelcome attention is probable, IMO. :D
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Well, it is true, "the west wasn't won with a registered gun". Un-registered firearms are the ones that scare tptb the most. Fortunately, Thats more than half of the ones believed to be in circulation. Makes for a good reason to talk to private sellers at gun shows.
 
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Dozdoats

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And America was won with "ghost guns" - handmade one-off unserialized Pennsylvania (not yet Kentucky) rifles.
 
vector7

vector7

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FBI is asking states for the names of concealed carry permit holders and Christopher Wray does not know why.

They are also making a federal registry of all gun purchases, which is illegal AF. They will probably use this to impose taxes on guns, then send armed IRS agents to confiscate the guns when you don't pay them.
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Gun laws are only applied to lawful gun owners. Never applied to the criminals.

Has to be so for a communist regime to gain and keep power. Criminals are empowered, Citizens are punished.

All gun laws are unconstitutional and are meant to control law-abiding citizens, not criminals.
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jward

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  • Missouri sheriff refuses to release gun owners' info to FBI

Missouri officials are slamming a planned FBI audit of various sheriff’s offices in the state, saying the audit is an attempt to “illegally obtain” information on concealed carry permit holders. One sheriff, in particular, said that even under a threat of federal arrest, he will not comply and release the concealed carry information.

“As the sheriff of Scotland County, I want all my citizens to know that I will not allow, cooperate or release any CCW information to the FBI, ‘even at the threat of a federal arrest,’” Republican Scotland County Sheriff Bryan Whitney wrote to residents of his community on Monday.

“Point Blank, ‘I will go down with the ship if need be,’” the letter, which was reviewed by Fox News Digital on Tuesday, said.

Whitney said he was prompted to send the letter to his community in northeastern Missouri after he was alerted to the FBI audit set to be carried out in 24 counties in Missouri next month. It’s unclear which counties will be included in the audit.

Missouri Attorney General Eric Schmitt also demanded that the FBI “cease their attempts to illegally obtain information from local sheriffs on Missourians who have concealed carry permits,” and sent a letter to FBI Director Christopher Wray on the matter last week.

“The FBI has absolutely no business poking around in the private information of those who have obtained a concealed carry permit in Missouri,” Schmitt said, according to a press release. “The Second Amendment rights of Missourians will absolutely not be infringed on my watch. I will use the full power of my Office to stop the FBI, which has become relentlessly politicized and has virtually no credibility, from illegally prying around in the personal information of Missouri gun owners.”



Schmitt outlined to Wray that under Missouri law it is illegal to share the confidential list with the federal government. The law was passed after “it became known that the Obama Administration wanted to know which Missourians had firearms, supposedly to establish who was entitled to federal benefits.”

The FBI told Fox News Digital on Tuesday that under the planned Missouri audit, “a small sampling of system transactions is to be inspected for compliance and to ensure there is no misuse of the [FBI’s Criminal Justice Information Services Division] systems.” The CJIS is the “largest collection of criminal justice information shared by the nation’s law enforcement and criminal justice communities. This information falls under the oversight of the CJIS Advisory Policy Board (APB), which is comprised of representatives from state, local, tribal, and federal law enforcement agencies.”

The FBI said that the “Board sets policy for security and acceptable use of this information, and has assigned the FBI responsibility for ensuring compliance through a routine auditing program” of participating agencies for years.

“At no point would auditors require access to lists such as state approved concealed carry holders, nor would the CJIS Division retain information beyond what is necessary to address a specific compliance concern,” the FBI continued in its statement, adding that the state has “been through this routine audit multiple times, most recently in 2018.”

But to Whitney, he said he doesn’t believe the FBI’s statement “to be accurate,” and added later in his interview with Fox News Digital that trust in the FBI among Missourians has cratered.

Schmitt also argued in his letter to Wray that Missourians’ trust in the FBI is at an “all-time low.”

“You may wonder why there is such strong suspicion of federal agents here in the ‘Show Me State.’ Simply put, Missourians are hard-working, law-abiding citizens who don’t need a national nanny-state keeping tabs on us. But more than that, over the last couple of years, we’ve seen story after story of incompetence and corruption at the highest levels of the FBI,” Schmitt wrote.

He detailed that “deep-staters” within the FBI under the Biden administration have “tarnished the reputation of this once well-respected agency” by targeting parents who expressed outrage over school curricula at school board meetings and the “witch hunt against President Trump and his team.”

Whitney told Fox News Digital that he “100%” agrees with Schmitt’s remarks. He is also getting ready to move all CCW paperwork to a secure location if the FBI were to issue a federal search warrant for the documents.

Whitney added that the California Department of Justice data breach last month that exposed the personal information of thousands of gun owners who applied for a concealed carry permit over the last decade is “one of the exact reasons” he is resisting the FBI audit should it happen in his county.

The breach in California caused widespread alarm among Second Amendment supporters and gun owners, who said they were left “horrified” when personal information such as names, date of birth, gender, race, driver’s license number, addresses, and criminal history were publicly released.

“The actions by the California DOJ are completely despicable and unacceptable. They have placed lives at risk including vulnerable individuals with abusive exes and stalkers,” Dan Reid, the NRA’s western regional director, exclusively told Fox News Digital last month, adding the NRA will take legal action on the matter.

California Attorney General Rob Bonta said “this unauthorized release of personal information is unacceptable” and launched an investigation into the breach.

FOX NEWS

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rhughe13

rhughe13

Heart of Dixie
The constitution does not explicitly allow the creation of the FBI, nor the funding of it. Those taking an oath to the constitution have already violated it by funding it.
 
Flippper

Flippper

Time Traveler
hiwall said:
The FBI should ONLY be allowed in any state by the direct invitation by the Governor and then only for one specific purpose
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Actually it's the county sheriff who stops the FBI, they have the right and ability to say no to them entering their county. Allowing them in to do anything regarding our firearms was their first mistake.
Getting the idea why Beau Biden was working to eradicate the position of county sheriff?
 
rhughe13

rhughe13

Heart of Dixie
Flippper said:
Actually it's the county sheriff who stops the FBI, they have the right and ability to say no to them entering their county. Allowing them in to do anything regarding our firearms was their first mistake.
Getting the idea why Beau Biden was working to eradicate the position of county sheriff?
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Most County Sheriffs don’t know the power they have. They are paramilitary and the citizens last stand. Sheriffs don’t need a gun either. They have the authority to round up a posse if necessary made up of armed citizens.
 
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TimeTraveler

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The only real way to stop this in its tracks is for a State to go Constitutional carry for firearms. No record of who is carrying.
 
Lone_Hawk

Lone_Hawk

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I don't know MO law. But, the ability of someone with a concealed carry permit to purchase a firearm without a background check is a "gift" from the FBI. I haven't had to deal with a background check in years. But this is a "gift" that they can take away. I have been expecting them to decertify states for this exemption for a while now.
 
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TimeTraveler

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Lone Hawk. With Constitutional carry there would be no background check. You still need the background check for new firearms purchases. That's the federal requirement.
 
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marsofold

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TimeTraveler said:
Lone Hawk. With Constitutional carry there would be no background check. You still need the background check for new firearms purchases. That's the federal requirement.
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I was under the impression that only handgun transfers outside of one's family needed to pass a gunshop's 4473 paperwork backround check. While gunshops may require it for rifles and shotguns, private citizens may buy and sell either between each other in small amounts.
 
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Ogre

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I don't know MO law. But, the ability of someone with a concealed carry permit to purchase a firearm without a background check is a "gift" from the FBI.
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That's the "Law" in Kansas, but most gun stores still require an NCIS check to protect their butts.
 
mom2many

mom2many

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Samuel Adams said:
Apparently not irrelevant to the fact that many Missourians are on the list sought after by the FBI.

Said list would never have been compiled if……
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I was referring only to the need for CCW in Missouri.

Yeah it sucks being on a list, but everybody here on this board is probably on at least one list. Also, IIRC, you could open carry in Missouri before, it was only if you wanted to carry concealed or to carry in a different state that required a permit that you had to take the class and get the CCW.
 
ainitfunny

ainitfunny

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I watch "swamp people" and guns are like kitchen knives there, you absolutely NEED them. Nobody is AFRAID of them, they are TOOLS. Even the kids get toy guns for birthday and Christmas till they are about 4 or 5 when tbe get their first real 22 along with intensive training in what to do with it, and what not to do, safety, and best hunting practices.
 
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ghost

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vector7 said:
FBI is asking states for the names of concealed carry permit holders and Christopher Wray does not know why.

They are also making a federal registry of all gun purchases, which is illegal AF. They will probably use this to impose taxes on guns, then send armed IRS agents to confiscate the guns when you don't pay them.
https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1555499342101991425
View: https://twitter.com/DNikcuf/status/1555499342101991425?t=-i70826JSw-sXDAbsOGAxg&s=19


Gun laws are only applied to lawful gun owners. Never applied to the criminals.

Has to be so for a communist regime to gain and keep power. Criminals are empowered, Citizens are punished.

All gun laws are unconstitutional and are meant to control law-abiding citizens, not criminals.
https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1555671733390262272
View: https://twitter.com/Robert__Stage/status/1555671733390262272?t=62QJaXENFmOJc9McBzetoQ&s=19
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The FBI, can mind their own business.
All, they want to do, is be BIG GOVERNMENT.
What happens to big government ????
 
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Publius

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From the looks of things with the resent Supreme Court Ruling on the second amendment, carry permits may become a thing of the past and we may ingress and egress across state lines with our personal protection as our founders intended
 
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