OT/MISC Parking Fee In Smokies Aims To Improve Visitor Experience


Parking Fee In Smokies Aims To Improve Visitor Experience

By Sinclaire Carr


scarr@themountaineer.com

Aug 16, 2022

Visitors to the Great Smoky Mountains National Park will still be able to drive through the park with no entrance fee, but anyone who plans to park for a while will soon have to purchase a parking tag.

The Park It Forward parking tag program will cost $5 to park for a day, $15 for up to a week and $40 for a parking tag that’s good all year long.

The decision comes after months of collecting public comment. A total of 15,512 comments were collected:

• 51% offered support for the program

• 34% made neutral comments

• 15% opposed

Haywood’s response to the parking tag program was largely neutral, coming in with 34.7% of comments supporting, 50% neutral and 15.3% opposing the parking tag program.

“Those negative comments did weigh heavy on us,” said Smokies Superintendent Cassius Cash. “We want the park to remain around for the next generation, and we want to still be the most visited park. This will allow us to meet and exceed people’s expectations.”

The parking tag program offers the park a way to raise funds without establishing an entrance fee, keeping true to an agreement that was made when the park was being formed in the early 1930s.

As descendants of Cataloochee area residents can attest, tensions were high between locals who lived on the land and the federal government trying to preserve the natural area.

But today, increased visitation has put pressure on the park to keep up with public demands. Entrance fees at major national parks are standard, some up to $35 per vehicle or $20 per person.

The Smokies gets more visitors than a few popular western national parks combined — Yosemite, Yellowstone and the Grand Canyon. A little more than 14 million visits to the Smokies were recorded in 2021, while each of the western parks netted fewer than 5 million.

“When you get that kind of use, that means we have deferred maintenance. The other piece is will it increase the number of flat hats in the park, the rangers, and we’ll be able to hire the staff that the park needs to improve things that are directly tied to the visitor experience,” Cash said.

As far as enforcing the use of the tags, park rangers will be authorized to write citations for not displaying a tag, but the park would first aim to educate visitors about the importance of Park It Forward and the benefits gained from it.

“This is not a change that we’re looking to make overnight. We know it will take some time for people to get used to it, so we’ll be using a wide range of tools for compliance,” Cash said. “We want people to understand that we’re reasonable.”

As for finding a place to park, a parking tag will not guarantee a spot. The tags will not be location specific, and roadside parking will no longer be allowed. The tags will be good only for designated parking areas.

“We’ll never have enough parking to accommodate everyone, but we have plenty of parking opportunities across the park,” Cash said.

Parking tags will be required starting March 1, 2023.

Camping Fees

Along with the parking tag program, the cost for camping in the park will increase to fund upkeep of the camping facilities.

Backcountry camping fees will be $8 per night, with a maximum of $40 per camper.

Frontcountry family campsite fees will be $30 per night for primitive sites and $36 per night for sites with electrical hookups.

Group camps, horse camps, and picnic pavilions fees will primarily increase by between 20 and 30 percent depending on group size and location.

Rates for daily rental of the Appalachian Clubhouse and Spence Cabin in Elkmont will be $300 and $200, respectively. For a complete listing of all rates, visit the park website at nps.gov/grsm/planyourvisit/2023-fees.htm.
 

Publius

TB Fanatic
Can they come up with something else to add to that telling people to go some place else.
The camp ground fee of $40 is cheep compared to many places around the country asking $70 or more per night.
Back Country camp fees of $8 a night is completely out of line as thats asking a lot to go backpacking for a week.
 

dioptase

Veteran Member
The park, as I understand it, already has free entrance. That's NOT the case with at least 108 other national parks. Entrance Fees by Park (U.S. National Park Service)

The .gov (imho) isn't going to adequately fund the national parks, and park foundations (places for people to donate to) typically have special projects that they are trying to fund (renovate trails or sites of interest, scientific studies, and so on).
Operating fees have to come from some where, so if not a parking fee, then an entry fee...
 

OZARK

Senior Member
If you are older (62 I think) get a golden age pass or whatever the name is and have lifetime free entrances. I think it was $80 bucks when I bought mine a few years ago

Just don’t loose it. Need to buy a new one if lost
 

Pinecone

Has No Life - Lives on TB
Oregon does this for its state parks and the National Forests in Oregon have areas that have parking fees. Popular hiking areas, snow parks (for sledding or snowmobiles). It prices out those who just want to take their family out for what should be free entertainment in property that belongs to US. States like OR which have a majority of land under government control (USFS, OR State Parks, BLM, National Parks) have already lost that land to the tax base. Now we have to pay to use it. Criminal.

That said, there are hikes that are now permitted, as too many people are using the trails. In Central Oregon, if you want to hike up to South Sister (volcanic but dormant Cascade mountain) you need a permit. This is not a hike in Yosemite, the Grand Canyon, or Yellowstone, but a more local hike.

Meanwhile, while they tell us we have too many people, they are letting millions (literally) cross our border illegally.
 

Raggedyman

Res ipsa loquitur
actually the PLANDenmic caused people to flock to GSMP and the environs thereof. the crowds have done some considerable damage. Cades Cove in particular is unrecognizable in terms of traffic, wildlife abuse and resource damage. come and visit - leave your attitude and rudeness at home and when you leave, take your trash with you - we have enough of our own.
 

mortgageboss

Contributing Member
The GSMNP is entrance free. It was set up that way in order to get the support of the locals when it was proposed.
 

tnhillbilly

Senior Member
I live here in Tennessee and visit the Smokies 3 or 4 times a year. They can not charge a fee to get in like other national parks. Two reasons for this, first it was to appease the locals who gave up their land and get local support. Second, the main road through the park was the main state road between Tennessee and North Carolina before the park came into existence. As a public road people can not be charged to use it. Like all the National Parks there is never enough money to maintain the park. Some campgrounds, picnic areas and services have been closed or stopped because of lack of money. So it seems that a park wide daily parking fee of $5.00 is not unreasonable. You can drive all day in the park, stop and see sites ,use the bathroom, take pictures, etc. as long as you don't park longer than 15 minutes without a parking permit. But if you stop for a long picnic or a half day hike or a couple hours of fishing, it seems that a $5.00 parking fee is not too bad.
Many will lie about how long they have parked and never pay a fee others will gladly pay the fee just to use and enjoy the park. Most of those that will pay the fee are the ones that put a donation in the donation boxes when they visit now.
 

SSTemplar

Veteran Member
That sounds like another tax. Of course there is a way to get them to change their minds But you will not do it.
 
I live here in Tennessee and visit the Smokies 3 or 4 times a year. They can not charge a fee to get in like other national parks. Two reasons for this, first it was to appease the locals who gave up their land and get local support. Second, the main road through the park was the main state road between Tennessee and North Carolina before the park came into existence. As a public road people can not be charged to use it. Like all the National Parks there is never enough money to maintain the park. Some campgrounds, picnic areas and services have been closed or stopped because of lack of money. So it seems that a park wide daily parking fee of $5.00 is not unreasonable. You can drive all day in the park, stop and see sites ,use the bathroom, take pictures, etc. as long as you don't park longer than 15 minutes without a parking permit. But if you stop for a long picnic or a half day hike or a couple hours of fishing, it seems that a $5.00 parking fee is not too bad.
Many will lie about how long they have parked and never pay a fee others will gladly pay the fee just to use and enjoy the park. Most of those that will pay the fee are the ones that put a donation in the donation boxes when they visit now.
Your two above points are correct.

Your argument is also worthy - it takes money to run the place - no money? No staff, no maintenance, no (or closed) facilities - we all understand this reality/linkage.

The issue of concern tends to manifest a "bit further down the road." Will the FedGov continue this new fee out into the distant future? Will the FedGov slowly raise the fee, over time? Will there ever be a time in the future where the fee can be rescinded?

We all know how the FedGov operates with regards to taxes and fees, over time. Once they become accustomed to this method of revenue generation (whether it is demonstrably necessary, or not), the "fee" or tax de facto becomes permanent. Historically speaking, future administrations/bureaucrats will likely tend to be reluctant to give up this source of revenue - and would also tend to increase such, or add on other/related/similar fees in the future.

Finally, we also all know how the FedGov operates with regards to collecting revenues that are **supposed** to be earmarked for a specific pot of money, but that end up in the general fund, and NOT segregated and managed/spent where they were supposed to be spent. <ahem>


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rhughe13

Heart of Dixie
I think Roosevelt put into law that there could never be an entrance fee to the Smokey Mountains National Park. But as usual, Communists will find a way to steal your money. This will probably increase the flow to Cherokee. Just leave your Jegskins at home.
 

rhughe13

Heart of Dixie
I got pissed at one of our local Native American parks. It ran perfectly fine for a 100 years. Then they built a 10 million dollar visitor center so they can charge a $5 entrance fee. It's packed full of Chinese junk to sell.
 

CaryC

Has No Life - Lives on TB
Just some thoughts:

The Battleground Vicksburg National Park charges a large fee to enter, but the experience is awesome. However if you have a Park Pass it goes down.

Sipsey River Primitive Park, charges 3.00 flat fee to use. Lot's of cars parked around with people backpacking into the outback. And other for day hikes and picnics. At least the last time we were there. If anyone is interested it's in the Bankhead National Forest. Sort of North NW of Birmingham, AL.

Don't remember if there was a fee to drive the Cades Cove route, but that thing was also awesome.

We didn't park anywhere drove the whole time, except for the Ranger station in the middle of the drive. Parking looked like it was for relaxing and picnic. However, parking to backpack does seem a bit excessive at 8.00 a day. Especially since the Rangers don't have to do anything in that situation, where as they have to mow, and pick up garbage, maintain garbage cans and what not, if just parking to picnic.

I guess the bottom line seems to be, do you think it is worth it? To pay the fee and get the experience. Since I am to old to backpack in the first place I would say not to big a deal. If I was going to buy all the equipment, which ain't cheap to be in the outback, for a week or two, maybe so, just to park my car.
 

dioptase

Veteran Member
Thanks for the explanation why no park entrance fee, tnhillbilly.

In that case, I really don't understand the problem with a parking fee. As others have mentioned, there are maintenance expenses; cleaning and supplying the restrooms (yes, even pit toilets need tp and occasional cleanout), garbage removal, there is the cost of water at the visitor centers and such (where there are real flushing toilets and sinks in the bathrooms), and somebody has to pay the ranger salaries.
 

poppy

Veteran Member
Five dollar gas and parking fees in the Smokies. Thanks Tater Joe.

It will be $10 in a few years and then $20, etc. This is just a foot in the door and the ways such things always work. Nothing ever has enough money to operate. We see it in government, schools, charities, and everything else. I would not oppose a donation box prominently displayed here and there and would gladly chip in.
 

ginnie6

Veteran Member
Not a national park but we have a local greenway here that charges admission (I remember when it didn't). The daily admission is $12 a person with kids less. Or you can have a membership. Mine is $6 and I go at least 2x a week sometimes more. Its a great place to hike and enjoy nature and I get my money's worth out of that monthly fee.
 

hd5574

Veteran Member
Just glad I grabbed a senior pass back in 2015....it was $10 back then...has more than paid for the cost..by just one visit to any of the parks out west.. sunset volcano..and the grand canyon to name a couple..... from $10 to $80 was really quite an increase
 
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