OP-ED One Question That Could Soon Enter Our Minds…As Horrible as It Is (Could you kill your neighbor?)

Squib

Squib

Veteran Member
Many here have seen death…close up, even violent, enraged killing…

Others here have also survived savage attacks on them and/or friends & loved ones…

Still others have done the above and taken that last step and ended a life/lives…

But, what is likely coming down the pike is something I don’t think most of us have ever really seen personally…

When a man goes out and does a thing, even unspeakably vicious things in what he feels is a righteous cause (saving his life or those he cares about) and then he goes home and all is well, while it’s difficult, it can be done, but…

When youre not coming back from a deployment or foreign nation or area, but the slaughterhouse is your front yard, your daughter’s bedroom, etc. it’s very difficult to compartmentalize those events…

Hard to say, “I’m not that guy anymore”. “That was a long time ago, in a time of war or defending the innocent”…when that nightmare is your new normal - when there’s no ETS or retirement ever. No going back home because this is your home.

Its gonna be different - and may the Most High God bless and be with you all and your loved ones in the days to come.
 
Millwright

Millwright

Knuckle Dragger
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jward said:
"could" I? Of course, I've been tested and know I don't flinch if it comes to protecting someone.
"would" I? now that there's no one to protect, I do not know. For a while, I thought not, but now I've circled back to the idea that it is every responsible adults duty to put down a rabid beast for the good of the community. That's untested, and the Lord willing it will always remain so. :: shrug ::
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I've mentioned before, peeps need to make some internal decisions before the boogaloo starts.

Can you take a life if it isn't a direct threat?


Most veterans have already made that call.
 
jward

jward

passin' thru
Really? Interesting, I agree the board has evolved in the last years, but I thought it was from a "think tank" vibe to a "coffee klatch" group... I am surprised anyone would see it as a "no. never in my lifetime" kind of place.

..then again, I'm short. Everything goes right over my head and past me

Raggedyman said:
its been extremely interesting to watch the tone of this board evolve over the past 24 months. as the REALITY of the existing situation in this once great nation has become increasingly more apparent we've moved from NOT HERE - NEVER IN MY LIFE TIME to this - the ultimate question.

THEY are driving this - WE don't want it - but none the less its being FORCE FED. when the dinner bell rings EVERYBODY will be at the table. prairie fire and a 120 mph breeze.
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WildDaisy

WildDaisy

God has a plan, Trust it!
Absolutely NOT! My neighbor is my mother! The others in the neighborhood are like family and all but the new people who moved in across the street I have known all my life and are like-minded. Keeping an eye on the new neighbors.

The house I lived in now, was owned by an older couple that I called Aunt and Uncle. He had adult children from a previous marriage, but they themselves didn't have any children together. When they both passed, I bought their house to be next to Mom and Dad as Mom needed help with Dads care and the house itself was a steal as a fixer-upper. But the couple that lived here were the only "Grandparents" I ever knew as all my biological ones died before I was born. I still have all of Caroline's paintings. She did some beautiful ones, and I asked her niece when they were emptying the house if I could have them, because she was going to throw them away. So now they are back up on the same walls they were when Carrie lived here.
 
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ssonb

Senior Member
One of the first on the list will be the one who brings up or argues the necessary plan to pool everyone's resources . You don't want to be labeled as a "hoarder" . That person will turn on you for a granola bar and an attaboy.
 
Samuel Adams

Samuel Adams

Has No Life - Lives on TB
As to the OP......no more .....or less so......than Moses would have killed an Israelite in need, post exodus.
 
Redcat

Redcat

Veteran Member
Depends on which neighbor. Guy right next to me, nope. He is a gun shop owner and a great team member. Guy across the street, nope he is a hands on electrician, that's a great skill, AND I like him as a person. He would have my back. Guy next door on the other side? Nope, he is able to build things from scratch, he's younger (in his late forties) and very capable.

Pretty well the whole neighborhood is the sum of a village. We will all bring something to the table. That old woman making soup (from donations) on her propane stove will be me. We are the sea of red in NY the article is talking about. We stick together.
 
Raggedyman

Raggedyman

Res ipsa loquitur
jward said:
Really? Interesting, I agree the board has evolved in the last years, but I thought it was from a "think tank" vibe to a "coffee klatch" group... I am surprised anyone would see it as a "no. never in my lifetime" kind of place.

..then again, I'm short. Everything goes right over my head and past me
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almost unbelievably (given the current state of the country) when there were "discussions" beginning in earnest regarding the possibility of CWII and potential violence in the country, there were several who commented not only that it could NEVER occur here but that that if it did it wouldn't be in their lifetime and they personally would refuse to participate.

at the time, the opposing view in those discussions were that not only would it occur it would do so in the foreseeable future and there would be no individual choice concerning personal participation outside of the obviously available choice of self sacrifice
 
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WalknTrot

Veteran Member
If you are a responsible American, you answered that question for yourself the first time you were taught about The Revolutionary War and The Civil War in school, took up personal firearms or read the Second Amendment.

BTW, the answer is nobody's fracking business but my own.
 
von Koehler

von Koehler

Has No Life - Lives on TB
Raggedyman said:
almost unbelievably (given the current state of the country) when there were "discussions" regarding the possibility of CWII and potential violence in the country, there were several who commented not only that it could NEVER occur here but that that if it did it wouldn't be in their lifetime and they personally would refuse to participate.

at the time, the opposing view in those discussions were that not only would it occur it would do so in the foreseeable future and there would be no individual choice concerning personal participation outside of the obviously available choice of self sacrifice
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Funny thing about a war; only one side has to declare it. All others, whether they want to participate or not, will get dragged into it.
 
Sacajawea

Sacajawea

Has No Life - Lives on TB
Those decisions have already been made here. How well they will hold up, remains to be seen. IF we'll even need to face that here, is also an open question; but the possibility that we will is a very real thing - so it's discussed; often.
 
von Koehler

von Koehler

Has No Life - Lives on TB
People have to realize that the Left & the evil trio will NOT relent in their goals.

The are fully committed, and they know time is not on their side.

The Democratic coupe d'etat is slowly becoming apparent, and as Biden is revealed as illegimate his poll numbers are dropping.

Probably more important, as the injuries and deaths increase from the jab, people are going to be very mad.

Courageous doctors are starting to find out actually what is in the"vaccine" and clearly it is a bio-weapon.

This is for all the marbles.
 
33dInd

33dInd

Veteran Member
steve graham said:
Interesting......most of us ,thankfully haven't faced this.....but we will soon.
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But some of us have already faced this and that’s the shame
We vets have strived mightily to keep the genie in the bottle and our anger towards these bastards is because they them are forcing us vets to remember what we have done in the past
That’s my anger
Cold
Deep
Dark and pervasive
Keep pushing
 
cyberiot

cyberiot

Rimtas žmogus
Not an issue. My neighbor is a fat old guy who does motocross. He'll be killing off his own sorry self soon enough.
 
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2ndAmendican

Veteran Member
Most of my neighbors are on the same page, but the couple that lives just to the left of me are total Libtards. Absolutely clueless. When the time comes, there will be issues that will have to be dealt with. (With extreme prejudice)
 
SouthernBreeze

SouthernBreeze

Has No Life - Lives on TB
We live in a rural farming community where houses are widely scattered. No one in our community has anything to fear from us, unless they try to do us bodily harm, or try to take what is not theirs. If they do, we believe in the biblical right to self defence of life and property. We don't consider our closest neighbor down the road a friend, but only an acquaintance. Don't know them, personally, and they no nothing about us.
 
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Dozdoats

On TB every waking moment
No, he was a grunt. Could shoot a 60 from the shoulder like an M-16.

I'm big. He is bigger.....
 
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Walrus

Veteran Member
Sicario said:
When it's not personal, it's not a problem. The secret is, don't make it personal.
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Someone penned recently about how we've been taught all our lives about the nobility of dying for freedom, but few of us - with the exception of those who have had to - have considered the possibility of killing for freedom. Seems like it always comes down to Mindset, Skillset and Toolset with the latter two being useless if the proper mindset hasn't been fully assimilated.

The books I've been reading lately are the two field manuals authored by Joe Dolio entitled Tactical Wisdom - highly recommended and well worth the investment. (A good review was written by Jack Lawson (author of the Civil Defense Manuals) on his blog: Jack Lawson’s Review of the Tactical Wisdom Series (Part 1) ).

One thing I really like about Dolio's work is that he references Scripture as his beginning point for a subject discussion. The Psalmist spoke well on the subject of this thread, for instance: Blessed be the LORD my rock who trains my hands for war, and my fingers for battle-
 
Dennis Olson

Dennis Olson

Chief Curmudgeon
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Millwright said:
Can you take a life if it isn't a direct threat?


Most veterans have already made that call
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Under What conditions would one kill unless it’s a direct threat? There’s only one thing that would cause me to kill: an imminent, emergent threat to myself or my pups. At that point I’d kill without a second thought, but I’m not going to engage in “search and destroy” missions.
 
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vestige

Deceased
Dennis Olson said:
Under What conditions would one kill unless it’s a direct threat? There’s only one thing that would cause me to kill: an imminent, emergent threat to myself or my pups. At that point I’d kill without a second thought, but I’m not going to engage in “search and destroy” missions.
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Never say never Boss.
Uncertain future, tumultuous times
 
wvstuck

wvstuck

Only worry about what you can control!
I pray every day that no one will have to make this decision. For those that have seen war up close, I fear for our sanity, we will never come back from another round.

For those that look forward to it, I don't understand, and to be honest, you scare me with your enthusiasm to end a life.

For those that think it will be an easy decision, I already know the darkness that will overcome you, you may come back or you may forever live in that torment.

Pray that God will show mercy, pray that this day will never come. Chances are after a civil war there will still never be the old America. The war lord who controls the most animals will be the victor.
 
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Dozdoats

On TB every waking moment
I will never forget the first time I shot someone.

It was in force on force training, with sims rounds. It was with the gun I carried every day. All of us were all but strip searched in a separate room to make double sure there was no live ammo (or blades) in anyone's possession.

Then we were talked through the scenario and prepared to run it. After a lifetime of don'tpointgunsatpeople teaching, I suppose my reaction was predictable. But it was a shock to me.

So we did it again. Just for me. And I pulled the trigger this time.

A lifetime of training takes some getting over.

Then we swapped good guy/bad guy roles and did it again. Primer fired paintballs at close range HURT.

But that experience was worth all the training I ever did.

NOTE - force on force training is NOT to be undertaken lightly. People get killed every year doing it.
 
coalcracker

coalcracker

Veteran Member
My answer starts with my personal situational awareness. All my neighbors are safe as long as they are not presenting a threat.

Verbal threats, while taken seriously, will not lead to pre-emptive shooting on my part. Neighbor will certainly be on my radar, but their words alone won’t get them shot.

Trespassing in a time of anarchy, especially after dark, would bring an immediate lethal response. Doesn’t matter whether it’s a neighbor, a friend, or an angel of the Lord. My God-given responsibility is to protect my family. Now, I wouldn’t come out guns-a-blazin’. I’d be analyzing and very much under control, but the decision to shoot would only be reversed if tactical concerns led to that. No moral hesitation.

Like a good neighbor, State Farm gets shot.
 
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Faroe

Un-spun
coalcracker said:
My answer starts with my personal situational awareness. All my neighbors are safe as long as they are not presenting a threat.

Verbal threats, while taken seriously, will not lead to pre-emptive shooting on my part. Neighbor will certainly be on my radar, but their words alone won’t get them shot.

Trespassing in a time of anarchy, especially after dark, would bring an immediate lethal response. Doesn’t matter whether it’s a neighbor, a friend, or an angel of the Lord. My God-given responsibility is to protect my family. Now, I wouldn’t come out guns-a-blazin’. I’d be analyzing and very much under control, but the decision to shoot would only be reversed if tactical concerns led to that. No moral hesitation.

Like a good neighbor, State Farm gets shot.
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Agree. What constitutes an immediate threat will change soon.
 
kytom

kytom

escapee from reality
neighbors? i dont have any "neighbors"! i have people who live next door to me and on the same street! they are no different than the people i come in contact with at the grocery and when im out and about. but if i had real "neighbors", i couldnt kill them. they would be like an extension to my family!
 
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Luddite

Veteran Member
like an extension to my family...

And now ladies&gentlemen on to the big pink elephant that keeps dumping in the living room. The one nobody wants to see:
What about the clueless commies in the family?

Never envision doing to a stranger what you wouldn't do to family.
 
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