OP-ED One Question That Could Soon Enter Our Minds…As Horrible as It Is (Could you kill your neighbor?)

jward

passin' thru

One Question That Could Soon Enter Our Minds…As Horrible as It Is
Matt Vespa​

One Question That Could Soon Enter Our Minds…As Horrible as It Is

Source: AP Photo/Matt York
Joe Biden promised a lot of things. You just knew some landed in the realm of the absurd or unattainable. There was no way he was going to shut down COVID. He did inherit three vaccines, thanks to Trump, which have done more to get us back to normal. Yet, job creation is garbage. We have cargo ships backed up at the ports. COVID protocols have slowed the distribution of goods, and now the global supply chain is under threat. On top of this fail sundae, we have a stunning number of Americans who simply want a national divorce. It's not just Trump supporters either, which brings us to some very nasty questions about where this could go.

We've seen this in the movies. It's the purge, albeit one that lasts more than 24 hours. And no, this won't be a peaceful dissolution should this occur. More than half of Trump supporters want to break away from the US of A. More shocking is the number of Biden supporters—41 percent "somewhat agree" that it's time to secede. It's why the good Col. Kurt Schlichter says to buy guns and ammo right now if you can, right? Could you kill your neighbor? It's a nasty question that no one except serial killers and psychopaths thinks about daily, but in this situation—anything and everything falls within the realm of possibility. One would hope we never come to this, but the fact that a large swath of the country thinks it's time for a breakup means that a collapse could be in our future. We shouldn't be shocked. It's happened before.

The American Civil War was based on our failure to resolve the issue of slavery peacefully. We had the Compromise of 1820, the Compromise of 1850, and the concept of popular sovereignty to try and settle this issue—all led to bloodshed. And finally, it led to our bloodiest war—the American Civil War—where our government did collapse. Unlike what you hear in the liberal media, this was our only constitutional crisis. Both sides didn't want to budge. Both sides felt compromising would threaten their respective cultures. Right now, we do have two cultures—it's normal people versus "woke" clowns. It's sentient beings versus the lizard people.

The oddity here is that the "woke" are the minority. Not even liberal Democrats are in their camp. They think they're nuts. Bill Maher, former New York Times op-ed writer Bari Weiss, former Rolling Stone reporter Matt Taibbi, liberal reporter Michael Tracey—the list goes on and on of hardcore liberals who think these people are insane. Their position is clear: "We're liberal…just not communist like you people."

But the progressive ethos is authoritarian in nature. All must submit or be destroyed, and it can turn on a dime. As more NBA players express skepticism over the COVID vaccine, look how progressive America has treated them. They're all now considered anti-vaxx conspiracy theorists who got all their information from Trump press conferences. It's insane—and untrue. Maybe that's the wild card here from a pure crack up—that enough liberals who don't like the woke agenda simply rebel against it. It just takes one devastating election defeat to render these clowns irrelevant. Could it happen in 2024? We'll see.

Yet, you cannot dismiss how messy this has become. We're so divided that most Americans, Biden and Trump supporters alike, think about secession. Bringing it back into the arena of bloodshed, we do have two cultures. It's not hard to see. Just listen to the folks around you. I live in a deep-blue area—there are times where I want to jump off a bridge. You saw this during the COVID lockdowns. Liberal America, which is rich, educated, and most have the capability to work from home, didn't get that the rest of the country doesn't have that luxury. I was fortunate, yes. I can do my job from…anywhere, yet I also wasn't blind to the former fact, and I certainly wasn't going to denigrate those who wanted to get back to work long after it was realized the lockdowns didn't work. People who wanted to reopen to feed their families were accused of being white supremacists.

Yet, Karol Markowicz of the New York Post had a good column about how a national divorce can't happen even if we do dream of it now and then:
In solidly blue New York, Trump won 3,251,997 votes to Biden’s 5,244,886 in 2020. Trump’s 3.2 million is more than five times the number of people living in Wyoming, the reddest state in the country, and more than 16 times the votes Trump won there. Do conservatives simply surrender the whole Empire State, and those 3.2 million voters, in the divorce? How would those 3.2 million feel about that?
New York is a sea of red counties outside big cities. Even in deep-blue Gotham, there are pockets of deep red. Visit Brighton Beach and Borough Park in Brooklyn. Howard Beach and Breezy Point in Queens. Throgs Neck in The Bronx. Or pretty much anywhere in Staten Island: There you’ll step into red America, where American flags fly high, police officers are heroes and no one refers to a new mother as a “birthing person.”
It’s not just New York. California’s Democratic Gov. Gavin Newsom survived his recall election in a landslide. But 3.3 million Californians voted to remove him, more than the entire population of the second-most-Republican state, Utah.
Meanwhile, the nation may already be realigning itself, with conservatives from blue areas moving to red ones. But a formal separation effectively means conservatives lose the big cities, which tend to be heavily liberal.
It’s not just COVID regulations that divide us, of course. There’s much more. But the truth is that electorates change, issues of importance change, demographics change.
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If you’ve had enough and feel you must move, do so. But don’t expect where you end up to perfectly align with your values. You can easily end up on a blue street in a red neighborhood in a blue county in a red state. Is that a win?
We’re still a very new country; we continue to grow and evolve. The solution isn’t to divide it up so we could be (briefly) better represented. It’s to persuade others to our way of thinking — and voting. And to remember the ideas that forged our national marriage in the first place.
All good points, but the era of debate is over. If not, it's bleeding out like Tim Roth's character—Mr. Orange—in "Reservoir Dogs." We don't like each other. We think each side is insane, though only one side—the Left—truly is unhinged. We share nothing in common.

The Democrats want to shred constitutional norms to pass a $3.5 trillion left-wing agenda action item list. In doing so, the response has been Republican voters feeling that going outside so-called democratic norms to accomplish goals might be necessary. Democrats feel the same way. It's nowhere near the numbers on the national divorce, but the mid-20s in terms of percentages is a bit high in a nation that's often viewed as one that would never go down this road.
“Roughly 2 in 10 Trump and Biden voters strongly agree it would be better if a ‘President could take needed actions without being constrained by Congress or courts’”
— Josh Kraushaar (@HotlineJosh) September 30, 2021
Is civil war next? I don't think it's the next stop, but we're not far from it if we keep going like this, right?
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Madeline Leesman

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jward

passin' thru
What I found interesting here was the assertion that "the woke" (commie rat bastards) are being said to be only a minority in the Democratic party.

The oddity here is that the "woke" are the minority. Not even liberal Democrats are in their camp. They think they're nuts. Bill Maher, former New York Times op-ed writer Bari Weiss, former Rolling Stone reporter Matt Taibbi, liberal reporter Michael Tracey—the list goes on and on of hardcore liberals who think these people are insane. Their position is clear: "We're liberal…just not communist like you people."
 

greysage

On The Level
Yupper. Figuring at this point either neighbors will report me one too many times for some sort of noncompliance, science denial, or thinking white thoughts. Other neighbors in my town and surrounding area are probably multi generational commie/satanists. Won’t be surprised to see their ilk act in concert across the region or country to murder or genocide their enemies. It‘ll just reach a point where something will initiate or force free fire because they want us dead.
 

justasec

Member
My dad alway taught us kids growing up. If you pick up a gun and Intend on using it. Shoot to kill not to wound you may not get a second chance. Don’t point it at anything you don’t intend on killing. So if it is me or my family and I have no choice. My answer would always be yes!
 

Raggedyman

Res ipsa loquitur
its been extremely interesting to watch the tone of this board evolve over the past 24 months. as the REALITY of the existing situation in this once great nation has become increasingly more apparent we've moved from NOT HERE - NEVER IN MY LIFE TIME to this - the ultimate question.

THEY are driving this - WE don't want it - but none the less its being FORCE FED. when the dinner bell rings EVERYBODY will be at the table. prairie fire and a 120 mph breeze.
 

vestige

Deceased
its been extremely interesting to watch the tone of this board evolve over the past 24 months. as the REALITY of the existing situation in this once great nation has become increasingly more apparent we've moved from NOT HERE - NEVER IN MY LIFE TIME to this - the ultimate question.

THEY are driving this - WE don't want it - but none the less its being FORCE FED. when the dinner bell rings EVERYBODY will be at the table. prairie fire and a 120 mph breeze.
Good post you old hillbilly.

You paid attention in 6th grade
 

JF&P

Deceased
No way...
I'm a born again evangelical Christian... Besides the last thing I want to know are my neighbors politics... Besides God is going to sort EVERYTHING AND EVERYONE OUT COME JUDGEMENT DAY
Besides my neighbors are really nice people and they do stuff for me all the time
 
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jward

passin' thru
"could" I? Of course, I've been tested and know I don't flinch if it comes to protecting someone.
"would" I? now that there's no one to protect, I do not know. For a while, I thought not, but now I've circled back to the idea that it is every responsible adults duty to put down a rabid beast for the good of the community. That's untested, and the Lord willing it will always remain so. :: shrug ::
 
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