Obama Executive Order: Allows Seizure of Americans' Bank Accounts 10-15-12

Coulter

Veteran Member
The latest executive order by Obama was created in the name of "Iran sanctions" but it gives him the authority to seize Americans' bank accounts WITHOUT the ability to sue.

I am worried about this EO for two reasons:
1.Money used to fund terrorism should be frozen but innocent persons should also have the right to defend themselves and get their money back.
2.The loose definition of "sanctioned person" worries me.

The term used in the EO via Whitehouse.gov is "sanctioned person".


(iv) with respect to section 6(a)(8) of ISA, block all property and interests in property that are in the United States, that come within the United States, or that are or come within the possession or control of any United States person, including any foreign branch, of the sanctioned person, and provide that such property and interests in property may not be transferred, paid, exported, withdrawn, or otherwise dealt in.

According to The New American:


The order says that if an individual is declared by the president, the secretary of state, or the secretary of the treasury to be a “sanctioned person,” he (or she) will be unable to obtain access to his accounts, will be unable to process any loans (or make them), or move them to any other financial institution inside or outside the United States. In other words, his financial resources will have successfully been completely frozen. The EO expands its authority by making him unable to use any third party such as “a partnership, association, trust, joint venture, corporation, subgroup or other organization” that might wish to help him or allow him to obtain access to his funds.

And if the individual so “sanctioned” decides that the ruling is unfair, he isn't allowed to sue. In two words, the individual has successfully been robbed blind.

http://www.reagancoalition.com/articles/2012/20121015008-obama-eo.html
 

Dobbin

Faithful Steed
I think a "sanctioned person" is a person who is in employ of a foreign government or nation/state.

Although the wording could be more widely applied. Like sanctioned person could be one who doesn't imbue the values of the current administration.

I.e. a tea-party human. Or a Republican. Or a bourgeoisie. Or someone who critiques the Administration.

Whatever happened to the Bill of Rights? Fourth Amendment specifically.

Dobbin
 

Kathy in FL

Administrator
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I think a "sanctioned person" is a person who is in employ of a foreign government or nation/state.

Although the wording could be more widely applied. Like sanctioned person could be one who doesn't imbue the values of the current administration.

I.e. a tea-party human. Or a Republican. Or a bourgeoisie. Or someone who critiques the Administration.

Whatever happened to the Bill of Rights? Fourth Amendment specifically.

Dobbin

They talk out of both sides of their mouths is the problem ...

On the one hand they say everyone has "Constitutional Rights" such as when they were make a fuss about gitmo and the military tribunals.

Yet here they are strongly suggesting that non-citizens do not have "Constitutional Rights".
 

Dobbin

Faithful Steed
They talk out of both sides of their mouths is the problem ...

On the one hand they say everyone has "Constitutional Rights" such as when they were make a fuss about gitmo and the military tribunals.

Yet here they are strongly suggesting that non-citizens do not have "Constitutional Rights".

Actually, I didn't catch the "everyone." And in fact non-citizens don't concern me. What does concern me is you humans who happen to be CITIZENS.

The OP did not specifically aim the Executive Order arrow at non-citizens, who in my book would be nice to extend right to property - as is NOT done in other countries - but we here should hold our lantern higher so as not to set our own hay afire.

And open flame lanterns are NOT usually permitted in the barn. We'll make exception for this alone providing we promise to Owner to be careful.

Dobbin
 

Kathy in FL

Administrator
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Actually, I didn't catch the "everyone." And in fact non-citizens don't concern me. What does concern me is you humans who happen to be CITIZENS.

The OP did not specifically aim the Executive Order arrow at non-citizens, who in my book would be nice to extend right to property - as is NOT done in other countries - but we here should hold our lantern higher so as not to set our own hay afire.

And open flame lanterns are NOT usually permitted in the barn. We'll make exception for this alone providing we promise to Owner to be careful.

Dobbin

I don't disagree ... we should all hold ourselves to a higher accountability and responsibility. We should certainly honor legal contracts whether they be with a citizen or not.
 

Countrymouse

Country exile in the city
Are any specifications or conditions given as to what constitutes a "sanctioned person"---or is such a declaration completely arbitrary at the whim of "the president, the secretary of state, or the secretary of the treasury"?
 

Coulter

Veteran Member
Are any specifications or conditions given as to what constitutes a "sanctioned person"---or is such a declaration completely arbitrary at the whim of "the president, the secretary of state, or the secretary of the treasury"?

This was my fear.
 

Straycat

Veteran Member
I get the impression that a "sanctioned person" is whoever they decide to lay sanctions on for whatever reason they come up with.
 

Countrymouse

Country exile in the city
Ummmmmmm....what's going on tonight?

Why is every thread that mentions Obama's name being put in the "Election Day" sig?

This is not ABOUT the "election", but about an Executive Order that O is supposed to have signed, and its ramifications.

If every single article from here to Nov. 6 that mentions O's name is going to be consigned to the "Election Day 2012" thread, we're not going to be left with much to talk about on Main. (and it sure is going to be boring and uninformative).

Whazzup????

:confused:
 
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