WAR Nuclear War Scenario Game

raven

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Its a little late to think about it now.
Besides it spring or soon to be.
Weather will be warmer anyway and you can get a tan.
But it isn't likely that you can do anything about it.
 
raven

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You certainly are not going to change the mind of any elected official that stands to make a fortune out of the deal
 
von Koehler

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With Martin Armstrong predicting the start of WWIII by November 2024, thought it important to revisit the nuclear option.

If Russia is pushed back out of Ukraine, they might be tempted to use the nuclear option to get the USA and NATO to cease combat. Russia already sees itself in an existential fight.
 
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TheSearcher

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Are you sure about that?
raven

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The problem with a game of this nature is the assumptions of the persons creating the game.
While there is a greater likelihood the creators have a reasonable insight into US and NATO war planner's targeting schemes, as they delve into the mindset of Russian or even Chinese war planner assumptions they are less likely to be correct.

The war in Ukraine is a perfect example. The west as a whole has been incorrect about "what Russia will do" to extent that one could describe the west's assumptions to be wholly incompetent or even derelict. The west thought and planned for Russia to sweep into Ukraine and drive their tanks, non stop, all the way to the English Channel . . . or at least Poland.

And as for the west's response to Russia, who would have planned and foreseen that there would be a constant dribble or arms and gradual escalation. Where is the thunderous shock and awe, driving Abrams tanks from Poland to Moscow?

If you think the first targets here in the US will be major cities . . .
. . . just remember you are an American . . . this is how Americans think.

You might evaluate the types of targets the Russians pursue in Ukraine to get an idea of how they think.
 
raven

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And while you are not liking the above comment, you might also consider:

We, in the US, have no legitimate nuclear fallout shelters or survivability plan nor do we have a significant ballistic missile defense capability.

While the Russians do have legitimate fallout shelters and survivability plans and do have ballistic missile defense capability.

Another clue into the difference between the thinking of war planners.
 
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meandk0610

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raven said:
The problem with a game of this nature is the assumptions of the persons creating the game.
While there is a greater likelihood the creators have a reasonable insight into US and NATO war planner's targeting schemes, as they delve into the mindset of Russian or even Chinese war planner assumptions they are less likely to be correct.

The war in Ukraine is a perfect example. The west as a whole has been incorrect about "what Russia will do" to extent that one could describe the west's assumptions to be wholly incompetent or even derelict. The west thought and planned for Russia to sweep into Ukraine and drive their tanks, non stop, all the way to the English Channel . . . or at least Poland.

And as for the west's response to Russia, who would have planned and foreseen that there would be a constant dribble or arms and gradual escalation. Where is the thunderous shock and awe, driving Abrams tanks from Poland to Moscow?

If you think the first targets here in the US will be major cities . . .
. . . just remember you are an American . . . this is how Americans think.

You might evaluate the types of targets the Russians pursue in Ukraine to get an idea of how they think.
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Might be better, from their point of view, to hit upwind of prime farmland and take out dams, large power generation plants, and large petroleum refineries. The cities will destroy themselves soon enough.
 
raven

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meandk0610 said:
Might be better, from their point of view, to hit upwind of prime farmland and take out dams, large power generation plants, and large petroleum refineries. The cities will destroy themselves soon enough.
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Thinking like an American . . .

What targets do the Russians hit in Ukraine?
 
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mikeabn

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raven said:
The problem with a game of this nature is the assumptions of the persons creating the game.
While there is a greater likelihood the creators have a reasonable insight into US and NATO war planner's targeting schemes, as they delve into the mindset of Russian or even Chinese war planner assumptions they are less likely to be correct.

The war in Ukraine is a perfect example. The west as a whole has been incorrect about "what Russia will do" to extent that one could describe the west's assumptions to be wholly incompetent or even derelict. The west thought and planned for Russia to sweep into Ukraine and drive their tanks, non stop, all the way to the English Channel . . . or at least Poland.

And as for the west's response to Russia, who would have planned and foreseen that there would be a constant dribble or arms and gradual escalation. Where is the thunderous shock and awe, driving Abrams tanks from Poland to Moscow?

If you think the first targets here in the US will be major cities . . .
. . . just remember you are an American . . . this is how Americans think.

You might evaluate the types of targets the Russians pursue in Ukraine to get an idea of how they think.
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The first targets will be our nuclear retaliatory capability.
 
raven

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mikeabn said:
The first targets will be our nuclear retaliatory capability.
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three legs of the triad.

and what capabilities do we have that are superior?
perhaps Air Power and the ability to deploy personnel and equipment to . . . Europe.
because the Russians can get to Europe easily, but not so much getting to the Americas.
 
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thereisnofork

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raven said:
You might evaluate the types of targets the Russians pursue in Ukraine to get an idea of how they think
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I would agree. Dworshack Dam/reservoir on the north fork of the Clearwater River is a primary target. Why? Because the wall of water would take out the lower dams on the Snake and Columbia rivers. It has been estimated that the wave would still be 3 feet high when it reached Portland. That takes out a major portion of northwest electric power, farmland irrigation and transport of crops via barge up/down the river. '
I still think when it cuts loose China and Russia will have Lil' Kim in NK let off with his nukes first. Totally blindsides our defense responses, takes out major capabilities in the Pac Rim. For instance Kim drops his 2 satellites over the east/west coast grids and takes them down. Then hit S. Korea, naval bases in Japan, Guam and Bangor in WA state, plus any carrier groups in the Pacific/China/Japan region. Then China and Russia do their moves.
 
TheSearcher

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Are you sure about that?
I think this is it:

store.steampowered.com

Nuclear War Simulator on Steam

Nuclear war simulator is a detailed realistic simulation and visualization of large-scale nuclear conflicts with a focus on humanitarian consequences. It lets you design conflict scenarios and estimate the consequences using a population density map and realistic weapons effects.
store.steampowered.com store.steampowered.com
 
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Czechsix

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TheSearcher said:
I think this is it:

store.steampowered.com

Nuclear War Simulator on Steam

Nuclear war simulator is a detailed realistic simulation and visualization of large-scale nuclear conflicts with a focus on humanitarian consequences. It lets you design conflict scenarios and estimate the consequences using a population density map and realistic weapons effects.
store.steampowered.com store.steampowered.com
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Yep, you're right, that's it.

When you get down to it, even though it's described as a "simulator", it's still basically a game. As usual, garbage in, garbage out. There's no way to know what the status is of the delivery systems, which ones are mirv, which ones aren't, what's targeted with what...etc etc.

It's an expensive toy that has nice graphics.
 
von Koehler

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Czechsix said:
Yep, you're right, that's it.

When you get down to it, even though it's described as a "simulator", it's still basically a game. As usual, garbage in, garbage out. There's no way to know what the status is of the delivery systems, which ones are mirv, which ones aren't, what's targeted with what...etc etc.

It's an expensive toy that has nice graphics.
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All war games are ultimately based on best guesses of intelligence. There is never complete knowledge of the opposite sides intentions or abilities.
 
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Czechsix

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von Koehler said:
All war games are ultimately based on best guesses of intelligence. There is never complete knowledge of the opposite sides intentions or abilities.
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And therein lies the rub...

Still, entertaining for sure. Might help with a bit of planning, but need lots of research first. Luckily there's a good amount of information out there.
 
Ractivist

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I sold so many Avalon Hill games back in the day. Gaming was just becoming a thing, and the hobby industry got in on it early. Like D n D. It's a small industry, but it was blowing up in the seventies and eighties. I bought out much of the distributers inventory in south suburban Chicago as that era hit a bump...drawing a blank on his name, started with a Z. Wish I had stashed ten or so boxes of the original stuff I paid penny's on the dollar for. The internet made such things valuable.

Feudal was one of the top games, trying to remember the other stellar ones. Axis and Allies comes to mind.
 
Knoxville's Joker

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Ractivist said:
I sold so many Avalon Hill games back in the day. Gaming was just becoming a thing, and the hobby industry got in on it early. Like D n D. It's a small industry, but it was blowing up in the seventies and eighties. I bought out much of the distributers inventory in south suburban Chicago as that era hit a bump...drawing a blank on his name, started with a Z. Wish I had stashed ten or so boxes of the original stuff I paid penny's on the dollar for. The internet made such things valuable.

Feudal was one of the top games, trying to remember the other stellar ones. Axis and Allies comes to mind.
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Still kick myself today as I ended up with all those retro games from my late step father...
 
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