Next Chapter in the Birth Certificate Saga

NC Susan

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[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][SIZE=-1]OBAMA WATCH CENTRAL[/SIZE][/FONT]
[FONT=Palatino, Georgia, Times New Roman, Times, serif][SIZE=+2]Eligibility issue: McCain checked but not Obama[/SIZE][/FONT]
[FONT=Palatino, Georgia, Times New Roman, Times, serif][SIZE=+1]Lawsuit contends Congress failed to qualify Democrat for Oval Office[/SIZE][/FONT]
[SIZE=-1]Posted: February 10, 2009
9:09 pm Eastern

[/SIZE] [FONT=Palatino, Times New Roman, Georgia, Times, serif]By Bob Unruh[/FONT]
[SIZE=-1] © 2009 WorldNetDaily [/SIZE]

A lawsuit that accuses Congress of failing to investigate President Obama's birthplace before approving the Electoral College vote giving him the presidency has been amended to include additional claims of rights violations, including unequal treatment, because Congress did such an investigation into GOP candidate Sen. John McCain.
That word comes from Mario Apuzzo, the lawyer handling the case on which WND previously has reported.
The case raises many of the same arguments as dozens of other cases that have flooded into courtrooms around the nation since the November election.
The case was brought by Apuzzo on behalf of Charles F. Kerchner Jr., Lowell T. Patterson, Darrell James Lenormand and Donald H. Nelson Jr. It names as defendants Barack Hussein Obama II, the U.S., Congress, the Senate, House of Representatives and former Vice President Dick Cheney along with House Speaker Nancy Pelosi.
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Apuzzo told WND that Congress last year raised the issue of whether McCain was a "natural born" citizen, a requirement set out in the U.S. Constitution for the president, because of his birth to U.S. citizens in the Panama Canal Zone.
Where's the proof Barack Obama was born in the U.S. or that he fulfills the "natural-born American" clause in the Constitution? If you still want to see it, join more than 235,000 others and sign up now!
According to a report in the Washington Post, the Senate unanimously declared McCain to be a "natural born" citizen, meeting the demand of Article 2 of the Constitution, which states, "no person except a natural born citizen … shall be eligible to the office of president."
The report, however, pointed out that such a statement was opinion only, and the constitutional question actually isn't so simple. It quoted Catholic University associate law professor Sarah Duggin saying the document is ambiguous.
"Ultimately there has never been any real resolution of this issue. Congress cannot legislatively change the meaning of the Constitution," she told the newspaper, saying a constitutional amendment or a U.S. Supreme Court ruling would be the way to reach a determination.
However, even though his clients wrote to Congress requesting a similar review of Obama's birthplace, they were refused.
"The question is: Why do you do it for McCain, but not Obama," Apuzzo told WND.
More specifically, those who doubted McCain's eligibility had an opportunity for a review but not those who doubt Obama.
That violates a liberty right for his clients, he said, because as members of a republic, they have a right to know that their president is legitimate.
"What I'm arguing is that Congress and President Obama have violated my clients' due process under the 5th Amendment [of the U.S. Constitution]," Apuzzo said.
Already; Congress held a responsibility to make certain Obama is qualified for the post, he alleges. And the public outcry, evidenced by the dozens of lawsuits over the issue, should have prompted due diligence on the part of members of Congress, he said.
Obama, meanwhile, has refused to hand over "sufficient documents" to verify his "natural born" status, Apuzzo said.
"We're not a monarchy," Apuzzo said, "People have a right to know."
He said his case in U.S. District Court in New Jersey is at the point where the court notices about the case are being distributed.
He said the fact Obama already has been inaugurated changes nothing in his case.
"Before that, everything really was premature," he said. "He has a right to run for office. But when you down to the nitty gritty, he still has to qualify for the position."
He said the Constitution specifically raises the scenario of a president who has been chosen for office but has failed to qualify.
"Even though you ran, everybody loves you, you still have got to qualify under the Constitution," Apuzzo said.
Further, the lawsuit explains, not only are there legitimate questions about Obama's birth, and therefore eligibility, he might not even be a U.S. citizen at all.
"There exists a possibility that Obama could be an illegal alien," the lawsuit said. "Obama has yet to adequately prove that he was born in the United States. [Further], Obama has publicly conceded that his father was born in Kenya and a British subject/citizen at the time of Obama's birth which precluded Obama from gaining any U.S. citizenship from his father."
The lawsuits over Obama's eligibility, in various ways, have alleged Obama does not meet the "natural born citizen" clause of the U.S. Constitution, Article 2, Section 1, which reads, "No Person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President."
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Some of the legal challenges have alleged Obama was not born in Hawaii, as he insists, but in Kenya. Obama's American mother, the suits contend, was too young at the time of his birth to confer American citizenship to her son under the law at the time.
Other challenges have focused on Obama's citizenship through his father, a Kenyan subject to the jurisdiction of the United Kingdom at the time of his birth, thus making him a dual citizen. The cases contend the framers of the Constitution excluded dual citizens from qualifying as natural born.
Several details of Obama's past have added twists to the question of his eligibility and citizenship, including his family's move to Indonesia when he was a child and on what nation's passport he traveled to Pakistan in the '80s, as well as conflicting reports from Obama's family about his place of birth.
Apuzzo told WND the biggest reason to investigate further is the fact that Obama has refused to allow public release of a signed "vault" copy of his original birth certificate.
Several of the legal cases – including those brought by Orly Taitz, Cort Wrotnowski, Leo Donofrio and Philip Berg, already have been discussed in conference at the U.S. Supreme Court, which has failed to have a hearing on any of the merits involved.
Taitz, in fact, is requesting information from the Supreme Court about a meeting eight of its justices held with Obama, a defendant in her case, before the justices reviewed the issues of the case in a private conference.
Several of the cases still remain active at lower court levels, from which emergency requests to the high court were launched.
"I know that Mr. Obama is not a constitutionally qualified natural born citizen and is ineligible to assume the office of president of the United States," Berg said in a statement on his ObamaCrimes.com website.
"Obama knows he is not 'natural born' as he knows where he was born and he knows he was adopted in Indonesia; Obama is an attorney, Harvard Law grad who taught Constitutional law; Obama knows his candidacy is the largest 'hoax' attempted on the citizens of the United States in over 200 years; Obama places our Constitution in a 'crisis' situation; and Obama is in a situation where he can be blackmailed by leaders around the world who know Obama is not qualified," Berg's statement continued.
While Obama's campaign team called the cases garbage, here is a partial listing and status update for several of the cases:

  • Philip J. Berg, a Pennsylvania Democrat, demanded that the courts verify Obama's original birth certificate and other documents proving his American citizenship. Berg's latest appeal, requesting an injunction to stop the Electoral College from selecting the 44th president, was denied.
  • Leo Donofrio of New Jersey filed a lawsuit claiming Obama's dual citizenship disqualified him from serving as president. His case was considered in conference by the U.S. Supreme Court but denied a full hearing.
  • Cort Wrotnowski filed suit against Connecticut's secretary of state, making a similar argument to Donofrio. His case was considered in conference by the U.S. Supreme Court, but was denied a full hearing.
  • Former presidential candidate Alan Keyes headlines a list of people filing a suit in California, in a case handled by the United States Justice Foundation, that asks the secretary of state to refuse to allow the state's 55 Electoral College votes to be cast in the 2008 presidential election until Obama verifies his eligibility to hold the office. The case is pending, and lawyers are seeking the public's support.
  • Chicago attorney Andy Martin sought legal action requiring Hawaii Gov. Linda Lingle to release Obama's vital statistics record. The case was dismissed by Hawaii Circuit Court Judge Bert Ayabe.
  • Lt. Col. Donald Sullivan sought a temporary restraining order to stop the Electoral College vote in North Carolina until Barack Obama's eligibility could be confirmed, alleging doubt about Obama's citizenship. His case was denied.
  • In Ohio, David M. Neal sued to force the secretary of state to request documents from the Federal Elections Commission, the Democratic National Committee, the Ohio Democratic Party and Obama to show the presidential candidate was born in Hawaii. The case was denied.
  • In Washington state, Steven Marquis sued the secretary of state seeking a determination on Obama's citizenship. The case was denied.
  • In Georgia, Rev. Tom Terry asked the state Supreme Court to authenticate Obama's birth certificate. His request for an injunction against Georgia's secretary of state was denied by Georgia Superior Court Judge Jerry W. Baxter.
  • California attorney Orly Taitz has brought a case, Lightfoot vs. Bowen, on behalf of Gail Lightfoot, the vice presidential candidate on the ballot with Ron Paul, four electors and two registered voters.
In addition, other cases cited on the RightSideofLife blog as raising questions about Obama's eligibility include:

  • In Texas, Darrel Hunter vs. Obama later was dismissed.
  • In Ohio, Gordon Stamper vs. U.S. later was dismissed.
  • In Texas, Brockhausen vs. Andrade.
  • In Washington, L. Charles vs. Obama.
  • In Hawaii, Keyes vs. Lingle, dismissed.
WND senior reporter Jerome Corsi had gone to both Kenya and Hawaii prior to the election to investigate issues surrounding Obama's birth. But his research and discoveries only raised more questions.
The governor's office in Hawaii said there is a valid certificate but rejected requests for access and left ambiguous its origin: Does the certificate on file with the Department of Health indicate a Hawaii birth or was it generated after the Obama family registered a Kenyan birth in Hawaii?
 

Publius

TB Fanatic
I was looking at Scholarships in foreign countries like Indonesia but there just to much for one person to take on and often they list people granted scholarships and alumni. I did try looking up Rhodes scholarships looking for info on U.S. citizens and there is a list but I can't get at it.
 

JohnSmiles

Contributing Member
Now Susan . . .
You know full well this is gonna upset a couple of people here who are tired of dodging, er, excusing, er . . explaining, yeah, thats it, EXPLAINING how its all been addressed and proven so just shut UP about it already!. . . :shkr:
:lkick:
The SCOTUS has never actually RULED on it of course, but since they keep dismissing it(for mostly unstated reasons) it has to mean he is legal, right?
And anyway, even if he isn't, who cares?
We DON'T!
He won already!
Get over it!
We just LOVE that man to death!

:lkick:
Sadly, though all that was said with the deepest of sarcastic intent, most of those are direct quotes from certain others here. . . :shkr:
 

NC Susan

Deceased
I know John, :D
this thread is dedicated to those few hard heads.......:sheep:


all the more reason to wonder why the oath of office got so screwed up and repeated in a hallway without a Bible or a Koran...............
or Why Roberts met with Obama the night before.........two GREAT legal minds figured out how to play more word games to change the meaning of the Oath on election day...........
 

Pass Go

Deceased
And his college transcripts are sealed? What's up wit that? Even GWB, gentleman scholar that he was, didn't seal his transcripts! This guy's gettin' some great coaching, I say.
 

energy_wave

Has No Life - Lives on TB
No one has yet provided one scintilla of proof he was born anyware outsides the United States of America. Really, show me proof he was born in Kenya.

This is all you disgruntled people have left to work with.

Did anyone ever give though that America is divided?

We have one party attacking the other, when we all should be working together and at a time like this, I mean really! Stop this BS and start healing this country.
:sht:

United we stand, divided we fail people!!!
 

ElevenO

Veteran Member
The question I've had is why Obama doesn't just produce the proof, make these folks look like fools, and Move On.

Just hit the ball out and trot the bases.

Unless he can't.




Yep. All of these controversies could be solved once and for all in about 10 seconds by obama simply producing a bonified birth certificate.
 

summerthyme

Administrator
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energy wave... well, for one thing, his GRANDMOTHER (from Kenya) claims to have been there when he was born.

IF this guy is legally qualified (and I have serious doubts of that) as the others have said- PROVE IT, once and for all, and we'll all stop questioning it. As it is, OBAMA is the one causing this mess, with his sealing of every freakin' record ever produced in his life. It brings up the question "if he doesn't have anything to hide... why is he working so hard at hiding everything?"

Summerthyme
 

Josie

Has No Life - Lives on TB
No one has yet provided one scintilla of proof he was born anyware outsides the United States of America. Really, show me proof he was born in Kenya.

This is all you disgruntled people have left to work with.

Did anyone ever give though that America is divided?

We have one party attacking the other, when we all should be working together and at a time like this, I mean really! Stop this BS and start healing this country.
:sht:

United we stand, divided we fail people!!!

And no one has shown any legitimate proof that he was born inside the United States either (For the umpteenth time, a certificate of live birth is NOT, I repeat, NOT the same as a birth certificate). McCain had to be vetted by congress with regards to his citizenship. Why does this guy keep getting a pass???? IF he has nothing to hide, produce the requested documents and put an end to it all. THEN we can stop this BS and start "healing" this country. Or maybe Obamarama really doesn't want to unite us like he said. :hmm: Just one more lie to pile on the stack of lies that this guy has tried to feed us.

I'm originally from Missouri, the Show Me state. SO SHOW ME!!
 

mbabulldog

Inactive
Jesus, not THIS shit AGAIN.........

funny. you have a comment here about his qualifications to lead us, but yet no comments on threads he and administration and their attacks on our 2nd Amendment rights.

didn't Obama say he we had nothing to fear regarding our 2nd amendment rights? I remember watching his acceptance speech in Denver. So, if he's forgotten that, why why why...

Why should I trust him, huh?

And no, I didn't vote for McCain, either.
 

stown

Senior Member
Jesus, not THIS shit AGAIN.........

Holey Moley! Only the 6th post on this thread?

You must get it together and post much faster!

In the meantime, I am very interested in this as I think there is a big problem here.

No matter if you think so or not.
 

Publius

TB Fanatic
Hey...I just heard on CNN that the mayor of Trollsville is missing. Anybody seen a misplaced troll? :shr:

Thats kind of funny and Maryland they a town called (Cave town) where you listen to the news and they tell you what some Cave person or cave man did.:lkick:
 

night driver

ESFP adrift in INTJ sea
DROP THE OATH "issue" already.


There is NO requirement for ANY VOLUME OF SACRED LAW to be used for ANY oath of office.


Yeeeesh.


The Constitution requires a specific formula for the oath (OR AFFIRMATION) and there is NO requirement for a Bible or Koran or Baghavad Gita, or Medicine Pipe.
 

Y2kO

Inactive
No one has yet provided one scintilla of proof he was born anyware outsides the United States of America. Really, show me proof he was born in Kenya.

This is all you disgruntled people have left to work with.

Did anyone ever give though that America is divided?

We have one party attacking the other, when we all should be working together and at a time like this, I mean really! Stop this BS and start healing this country.
:sht:

United we stand, divided we fail people!!!


We only have one political party: the Globalist Party.

And they don't represent 'we the people.'

Therein lies the problem.
 

Harbinger

Veteran Member
No one has yet provided one scintilla of proof he was born anyware outsides the United States of America. Really, show me proof he was born in Kenya.

This is all you disgruntled people have left to work with.

Did anyone ever give though that America is divided?

We have one party attacking the other, when we all should be working together and at a time like this, I mean really! Stop this BS and start healing this country.
:sht:

United we stand, divided we fail people!!!

You quite literally missed the point! One is suppose to provide proof of citizen ship when applying for the position of president of the U.S....the messiah didn't...

A. That went against the Constitution. A blatant disregard for the Constitution on his part!

B. And the fact that many others have no problem with it shows a blatant disregard for the Constitution on their part!

C. America is divided because there are those who want to keep the republic that the forefather's established and the freedom that many of the American patriots bought with their lives. Then there are those individuals today who take fore granted the freedom they have (which came with a price)and casually throw the Constitution away when it doesn't serve their purpose and then quote it when it does!:sht:

United we stand...you either believe in what the forefathers founded and standby the constitution or you don't...divided we fall!

Harbinger



D.
 
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Grantbo

Membership Revoked

Did anyone ever give though that America is divided?

We have one party attacking the other, when we all should be working together and at a time like this, I mean really! Stop this BS and start healing this country.
:sht:

United we stand, divided we fail people!!!

So, it's ok to attack the party in power when that party is run by Repubs but now that the dirty liberals are in charge we all suddenly all have to get along. Give me a break.

Rolling over to allow the country to turn into a socialist nation is not healing.
 

SassyinAZ

Inactive
This isn't about the oath at all.

I thought that Juan had taken his credentials to Congress for a ruling???? not that Congress had initiated it?
 

JohnSmiles

Contributing Member
No one has yet provided one scintilla of proof he was born anyware outsides the United States of America. Really, show me proof he was born in Kenya.

This is all you disgruntled people have left to work with.

Did anyone ever give though that America is divided?

We have one party attacking the other, when we all should be working together and at a time like this, I mean really! Stop this BS and start healing this country.
:sht:

United we stand, divided we fail people!!!

If we stand for Obama, we have already fallen farther than is easily corrected.
 

Harbinger

Veteran Member
This isn't about the oath at all.

I thought that Juan had taken his credentials to Congress for a ruling???? not that Congress had initiated it?


Yes that is correct. What I was trying to say is that when a person's eligibility is called into question that person is expect to provide proof as per the Constitution. We the people demanded proof. I found it audacious on his part for him to be elected to the office with no proof of citizenship.



harbinger.
 

dawnbringr

Veteran Member
Harbinger...

"Why o'h why is it so unimportant to you that the Constitution isn't followed!"

Great point... please be advised that you are arguing with a liberal (in this case a far left wing moron) ---> so there is NO way you will ever win this argument....

Just chill out.. smile.. take a deep breath.. lock & load.. ;)
 

NC Susan

Deceased
with no public credentials, nadda - zip - NONE, he could not pass the background check for police officer.....let alone hold the keys to nuclear armageden
 

dawnbringr

Veteran Member
????

"Wow, Flipper, I hope that's not you in the pic. If so - I know a good orthodontist."

Calling on the "mods":lol: again ---

I'm just curious as to why this POS is able to flame away at those who disagree with her.. but everyone else is held to a higher standard...

In the post above, I referred to her as a "moron"... which will at least get me a snottygram tomorrow morning IF NOT a little time off the board...

:fgr2: fruit loop
 

Witness

Deceased
In order to hold the office of President of the United States the person MUST BE a NATURAL BORN CITIZEN of the United States.

Mr. Obama (or whatever his name is) IS NOT!

This is the LAW.

Therefore a criminal usurper is in the oval office.

He has no right to be there by law, so it doesn't matter whether he is doing a good job or a terrible job.
 

dawnbringr

Veteran Member
just to clarify..

POS is medical talk...

it stands for

*PRETTY MESSED UP

*ORIENTED TO SELF

*STABLE (AT LEAST FOR NOW)

ROTFLMAO
 
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bartp40

Veteran Member
At this point, I say it is a dead issue.

The Repubs can run Arnold as their man next time if nobody is going to follow the rules. The Justice Dept is JUST , US - NOT YOU (serfs).

If the Demos didn't care, the Supremes didn't care and the Cons did care - what makes them think you should care. Just shut up and sit in the back and watch where the socialists drive us...
 

SassyinAZ

Inactive
Yes that is correct. What I was trying to say is that when a person's eligibility is called into question that person is expect to provide proof as per the Constitution. We the people demanded proof. I found it audacious on his part for him to be elected to the office with no proof of citizenship.



harbinger.

ok, I'm flying with ya, agreed!
 

Blastoff

Veteran Member
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