…… Need help deciding on size of garden

moldy

Veteran Member
I"m struggling with how large of a garden to have this year. Last year we had a smaller one (around 3/4 of an acre). In the past we have had a 5 acre garden. I'm thinking this year of doing both spaces. I have the seeds, I have the water, I have a tractor to help get it set up.

However, I also have a lot of canned goods from years past I need to use up.

OTOH, I've taught canning classes in the past. they have been fun for me to teach, and lucrative. One year, I made more teaching and selling garden produce than we did from the calves we sold. I could also sell on facebook or at the farmer's market.

On the third hand (or maybe first foot - I can't be the only person who has to take off their shoes to count to 20), I don't want to write checks with my mind and mouth that my hands, back, and feet can't cash.

Thoughts or suggestions, please? My DH and DDs can help out, but I don't want to obligate them too much, as they have other things to do as well.
 

Chicken Mama

Veteran Member
If you have plenty already canned up and dont need the money from teaching, give yourself a break. We've putting in a garden for 15 years and have more canned than we can use and are throwing out some that are too old. This year we're giving the soil a rest and wont put in a garden at all. We'll buy the little bit we'll need from other local growers.
 

summerthyme

Administrator
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Wow... don't you work full time (or at least part time?)

And does your hubby stop working off the ranch in the warm season?

I'm assuming a LARGE part of that "5 acre garden" is sweet corn or other field type crops, and that you've got plenty of machinery to make the job somewhat easier. But I've done my 2 acre garden plus my 1/8 acre "kitchen garden", mostly alone in the early years when the kids were small, and I KNOW how much work you're talking about.

Plus, there's the time element with picking, cleaning, trimming, packing, hauling to the farmers' market, cleaning up, hauling the extras back home....

BTDT, and have decided that we'll put signs out at nearby crossroads, and sell what we can (admittedly, we're in the middle of Amish Country, and tourists are everywhere from Spring to Fall... we just need to make them aware that we have the stuff)

But evenso... I've found people want BARGAINS... and that means less than it's worth- truly- for all the work involved. My exceptions, to my great frustration, have almost universally been "decorative", or what I consider "luxury" (ok, utter wastes of money) items. A sunflower, with a circle cut out of the middle of it, and a few Strawflowers (or wheat ears) and a couple tiny ears of Strawberry popcorn sell for $10 all day... even though the whole purpose is for the birds to eat the stuff!

Pumpkins easily sell for $5 each. A local "Pumpkinville" is selling large pumpkins (NOT giants... just 25-30#ers) for $25 each. I find that obscene, as well!

One of the biggest issues I see is that you've already grown more than you can use. (I'm in the same boat... I'm paring down my garden size bigtime this year, and will be concentrating instead on setting up an "Amazon Homemade" account to try and sell some of my handquilted table runners, wall hangings, etc) I know you've got livestock... but will you be able to emotionally handle throwing "hundreds of dollars" worth of produce to the cattle, if it doesn't sell and you simply can't get to canning it. And if you DO stay up nights to get it canned... who's going to eat it?

Obviously, we're at different life stages... while I still prep for all 12 of us in the family (we're the only ones with a sustainable property, and all the grown kids admit it), we're "empty nesters" and aren't working quite as hard as we used to. Hubby has this envy-inducing self-regulating appetite... If he's working hard, he can stil consume (and burn off) 5,000 calories in a day. But since he's been laid up again with his fractured spine, he simply eats less than half what he normally does. Makes meal planning a bear!

I think, for me, it boils down to whether you're SURE you can sell most everything you grow AT A PRICE THAT JUSTIFIES the time and effort! Around here (and again, we're depressed rural area, and many people grow their own. I sell a lot of stuff through my kids, who live in a much better off area, and who work with people who have a lot of disposable income) that's really difficult. Our Amish neighbors will pay $10 for a bushel of cull potatoes, rather than paying me $18 for cleaned #1's... even though I know they end up tossing a LOT of the parts away, due to damage, rot, etc.

My biggest issue in advertising (or setting up a Facebook page, as well as selling on Amazon, etc) is it's the absolute OPPOSITE of being "gray"!! And given what is going on, and what we're all sure is coming, I"m not sure how much I want to be known as "that nice farm with all the beef and chicken and vegetables". Know what I mean?

Given hubby's health issues and our ongoing non-income situation (we'd planned on milking cows for another 5 years, and were slowly increasing the beef herd to mee that goal. Problem is, it didn't work that way, and selling 3-4 steers a year doesn't cover much! I sell a few things through various local Amish shops, but there is a ton of competition (although little of the quality work I do... many/most Amish women do quilt, but few are serious about it, and the work shows it. It's generally workmanlike and sturdy, but not what many people expect/think)

Sorry for the thread drift. I've been doing similar brainstorming sessions lately, and I guess it sort of came out!

Don't totally wear yourself out. That much garden is a LOT of time and work, and if you get behind for any reason, it becomes a huge frustration. That was our big issue last year... it rained so heavily all during June that i never could get the TroyBilt into the corn and vine patch, and they were overwhelmed. We still got a good crop of pumpkins'/squash (although all my melons drowned), and a semi-decent crop of sweet corn and Indian corn. But it was a mess. I'm planning on "smaller and MUCH better cared for" this summer, and probably will use a green manure/cover crop on whatever ground I don't want to plant.

Summerthyme
 

moldy

Veteran Member
Wow... don't you work full time (or at least part time?) Yes, I work full-time; three 12 hour shifts/week

And does your hubby stop working off the ranch in the warm season? No

I'm assuming a LARGE part of that "5 acre garden" is sweet corn or other field type crops, and that you've got plenty of machinery to make the job somewhat easier. But I've done my 2 acre garden plus my 1/8 acre "kitchen garden", mostly alone in the early years when the kids were small, and I KNOW how much work you're talking about.
About 2/3 of the 5 acres is corn... mostly field corn, but probably 1/6 of it sweet. For the last couple years, we've harvested by hand the field corn when it is dry to use for pig/chicken feed
Plus, there's the time element with picking, cleaning, trimming, packing, hauling to the farmers' market, cleaning up, hauling the extras back home....

BTDT, and have decided that we'll put signs out at nearby crossroads, and sell what we can (admittedly, we're in the middle of Amish Country, and tourists are everywhere from Spring to Fall... we just need to make them aware that we have the stuff)

But evenso... I've found people want BARGAINS... and that means less than it's worth- truly- for all the work involved. My exceptions, to my great frustration, have almost universally been "decorative", or what I consider "luxury" (ok, utter wastes of money) items. A sunflower, with a circle cut out of the middle of it, and a few Strawflowers (or wheat ears) and a couple tiny ears of Strawberry popcorn sell for $10 all day... even though the whole purpose is for the birds to eat the stuff!

Pumpkins easily sell for $5 each. A local "Pumpkinville" is selling large pumpkins (NOT giants... just 25-30#ers) for $25 each. I find that obscene, as well!

One of the biggest issues I see is that you've already grown more than you can use. (I'm in the same boat... I'm paring down my garden size bigtime this year, and will be concentrating instead on setting up an "Amazon Homemade" account to try and sell some of my handquilted table runners, wall hangings, etc) I know you've got livestock... but will you be able to emotionally handle throwing "hundreds of dollars" worth of produce to the cattle, if it doesn't sell and you simply can't get to canning it. And if you DO stay up nights to get it canned... who's going to eat it?

Obviously, we're at different life stages... while I still prep for all 12 of us in the family (we're the only ones with a sustainable property, and all the grown kids admit it), we're "empty nesters" and aren't working quite as hard as we used to. Hubby has this envy-inducing self-regulating appetite... If he's working hard, he can stil consume (and burn off) 5,000 calories in a day. But since he's been laid up again with his fractured spine, he simply eats less than half what he normally does. Makes meal planning a bear!

I think, for me, it boils down to whether you're SURE you can sell most everything you grow AT A PRICE THAT JUSTIFIES the time and effort! Around here (and again, we're depressed rural area, and many people grow their own. I sell a lot of stuff through my kids, who live in a much better off area, and who work with people who have a lot of disposable income) that's really difficult. Our Amish neighbors will pay $10 for a bushel of cull potatoes, rather than paying me $18 for cleaned #1's... even though I know they end up tossing a LOT of the parts away, due to damage, rot, etc.

My biggest issue in advertising (or setting up a Facebook page, as well as selling on Amazon, etc) is it's the absolute OPPOSITE of being "gray"!! And given what is going on, and what we're all sure is coming, I"m not sure how much I want to be known as "that nice farm with all the beef and chicken and vegetables". Know what I mean? There is another person locally that sells on FB. He will take orders, then meets in a public place to deliver them. Granted, some folks may not show up, but his deal is if you aren't there by the time he leaves (and he posts a time frame, say 4-6 pm), your 'spoken for' produce is sold to someone else. He makes the rounds to local towns, but doesn't really seem to have a set schedule. His produce he buys in Denver and brings it out here. Mine would be locally grown - not sure if that will make a difference or not. The classes I've done are NOT cheap. 2 years ago, I charged $800. I provided everything but the jars, and guaranteed that students would go home with 100 jars of produce by the end of the summer. That high of a price kind of keeps out the riff-raff, but it is difficult for some. However, the people that I got were already of like-minds. One couple we bartered with, and are still great friends with.

Given hubby's health issues and our ongoing non-income situation (we'd planned on milking cows for another 5 years, and were slowly increasing the beef herd to mee that goal. Problem is, it didn't work that way, and selling 3-4 steers a year doesn't cover much! I sell a few things through various local Amish shops, but there is a ton of competition (although little of the quality work I do... many/most Amish women do quilt, but few are serious about it, and the work shows it. It's generally workmanlike and sturdy, but not what many people expect/think)

Sorry for the thread drift. I've been doing similar brainstorming sessions lately, and I guess it sort of came out!

Don't totally wear yourself out. That much garden is a LOT of time and work, and if you get behind for any reason, it becomes a huge frustration. That was our big issue last year... it rained so heavily all during June that i never could get the TroyBilt into the corn and vine patch, and they were overwhelmed. We still got a good crop of pumpkins'/squash (although all my melons drowned), and a semi-decent crop of sweet corn and Indian corn. But it was a mess. I'm planning on "smaller and MUCH better cared for" this summer, and probably will use a green manure/cover crop on whatever ground I don't want to plant.



Thanks, ST. I really appreciate the input. Our local big growers have pretty much gone out of business. The onion plant that used to have the culls for free is shut down, and the sorta-local pumpkin patch is up for sale. There is one farmer's market that is all artsy craftsy with little produce, and a very small one with limited produce. There are no local farm stands. I'm thinking if I can set up my schedule to have periods where I have 3 days off in a row (one to harvest and set up, one to deliver, and one to can up what doesn't sell), it might work. I don't know. Last year, I had a smaller garden and it worked pretty well. I just can't get all the variety I want in that small of space - and I would like to make some money with it.
 

moldy

Veteran Member
I"ve also thought of doing small, 4 hour type classes for around $30. But that would bring a lot more people out to the ranch, and I"m not sure I"m really comfortable with that.
 

kyrsyan

Has No Life - Lives on TB
Okay. On the canning front - don't plant anything that you've already got too much of in canning jars or the freezer. Use that space to fill another hole in the pantry.

Do what you think you can handle. Sell the excess. If you do canning classes, use it to teach. Or take a year off. All are options. If you take the year off then use it to replenish the soil. Bring in manure, compost, etc and till it in. Plant a green manure and till it under. Etc.
 

Freeholder

This too shall pass.
I"ve also thought of doing small, 4 hour type classes for around $30. But that would bring a lot more people out to the ranch, and I"m not sure I"m really comfortable with that.

Is there any possibility of having the 4-hour classes at another location? Possibly might get more students if the class could be held closer to a population center.

Kathleen
 

Nancy in OK

Senior Member
Do you have a vocational-tech school close by? They might let you do classes there or even a class in a school or church.
 

moldy

Veteran Member
I think I've found an answer. There is a CSA that is willing to buy my extras - I would still be a local grower, and we use minimal chemicals. After looking at his prices, I don't think my canning CSA is overpriced. Will just have to see what happens!

Thank you, everyone for your input. It has given me some great ideas and a lot to think about.
 
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