MNKYPOX Monkeypox - Consolidated Thread.

Meemur

Voice on the Prairie / FJB!
Agreed... but that does not negate the mode of transfer, and the useful idiots that engage in such activity. I thought the same thing when AIDS was released, but no one wanted to listen to my 'woo' then as well. It's a shame that most cannot see purposeful events in the 'infection release' realm by the deep state.

I have come to the conclusion that the 'deep state' does not necessarily like gay men.

I thought the same thing when AIDS was exploding onto the scene in the 80s, and then a woman I knew personally died from it. We later found it was tainted blood from a blood transfusion during the birth of her daughter. They weren't testing the blood supply for AIDS then and didn't test her for it until she was nearly dead. That's when I started taking it seriously.
 

bracketquant

Veteran Member
That article made me look at month-apart numbers:

5/17 - 1
6/17 - 121
7/18 - 2,002
8/16 - 12,689


So, it's gone from a multiple of 120, to 16, to 6. Any thoughts on why? You'd think with more testing, we'd see bigger numbers.
My thoughts are that it may not be that easy to catch, other than to those participating in certain behaviors. And those who engage in such behaviors are now educated about how to avoid catching it. Only time will tell if it does easily spread throughout the entire population.
 

bw

Fringe Ranger
This is only partly a medical problem. MP was wargamed a couple years ago as the successor to WuFlu. Gates is on record as saying what comes after WuFlu will "get your attention". There are no other candidates than MP right now to fit that prediction. So the signs are that the PTB are going to use this, and that means at some point the narrative will try to spur the herd to panic.

MP may be minor right now, depending on your circumstances, but the panic can still be life-changing. And I don't think the MP we're seeing now is scary enough to be the product of whatever tinkering they were doing in Wuhan.

Early days. Stay alert and flexible.
 

somewherepress

Has No Life - Lives on TB

Studies to see if mutations behind monkeypox spread: WHO​

AFP
August 17, 2022 5:49 pm
Source: Pixabay


Studies are under way to see whether genetic changes in the monkeypox virus are driving the rapid spread of the disease, the World Health Organization told AFP on Wednesday.

The two distinct clades, or variants, of the virus were called the Congo Basin (Central African) and West African clades, after the two regions where they are each endemic.

On Friday, the WHO renamed the groupings as Clade I and Clade II respectively, to avert the risk of geographic stigmatisation.

It also announced that Clade II had two sub-clades, IIa and IIb, with viruses within the latter identified as being behind the the current global outbreak.

On Wednesday, the UN health agency specified that Clades IIa and IIb are related and share a recent common ancestor — therefore IIb is not an offshoot of IIa.

– Research into mutations –​

Clade IIb contains viruses collected in the 1970s, and from 2017 onwards.

“Looking through the genome, indeed there are a few genetic differences between the viruses from the current outbreak and the older Clade IIb viruses,” the WHO told AFP.

“However, nothing is known about the significance of these genetic changes, and research is ongoing to establish the effects (if any) of these mutations on transmission and disease severity.

“It is still early on in both the outbreak and laboratory studies to tell if the rise in infections could be driven by the observed genotypic changes in the virus, or are due to host (human) factors.”

There is also no information yet on what the mutations mean in terms of how the virus interacts with the human immune response.

A surge in monkeypox infections has been reported since early May outside the endemic African countries.

The WHO declared the situation an international public health emergency on July 23.

More than 35,000 cases in 92 countries, and 12 deaths, have now been reported to the WHO.

Almost all new cases are being reported from Europe and the Americas.

Experts have been studying samples from cases.

“The diversity between the viruses responsible for the current outbreak is minimal, and there is no obvious genotypic differences between the viruses from the non-endemic countries,” the WHO said.

– Renaming monkeypox could take months –​

Meanwhile the WHO said its drive to rename monkeypox could take “a number of months”.

The organisation has for weeks voiced concern about the name, with experts concerned that it is misleading.

Monkeypox received its name because the virus was originally identified in monkeys kept for research in Denmark in 1958.

However, the disease is found most frequently in rodents, and the current outbreak is being spread through human-to-human close contact.

The WHO has called for help from the public in coming up with a new name, with a dedicated website where anyone can make suggestions.


“We will update the public by the end of the year,” the WHO said.
 

bw

Fringe Ranger
Thank God someone is working on a better name. We don't want to hurt the feelings of any species. And disconnecting from the common geographic names is great, because it will be harder to remember which one we're talking about. Rest easy, progress is surely coming.
 

Shadow

Swift, Silent,...Sleepy
That article made me look at month-apart numbers:

5/17 - 1
6/17 - 121
7/18 - 2,002
8/16 - 12,689


So, it's gone from a multiple of 120, to 16, to 6. Any thoughts on why? You'd think with more testing, we'd see bigger numbers.
Thing is, we are looking at this flavor of MP, and the slowing progression may lead us to miss when the next variety is loosed. I do not trust that we will be honestly informed about new types that have different RO's and fatality rates... until it is too late.

Shadow
 

helen

Panic Sex Lady
The baby in Houston is asymptomatic apart from a rash. He has no known contacts. The case numbers could be underrepresented by a lot. I'm surprised this baby was even tested.
 

helen

Panic Sex Lady
The divisor is 7,970,000,000.

Not accurate. I used to compute the per capita averages for affected villages in Congo. One village had infection rate over 90% and death rate at 66%. Another village had below 50% infection rate but less than 10% death rate. What I could not determine was how densely populated each village was.

Population density should matter, but modern travel screws that up with roaming vectors. Modern building ventilation guarantees anything airborne has a chance to concentrate infections.

The baby in Houston has no known exposure and only a rash. I don't know why he was even tested. How many kids present like that baby and get diagnosed with something else? The numbers are not accurate.
 

bracketquant

Veteran Member
The point is obvious and I suspect you know it. This is a minor issue.

To avoid the emotional response, I'll stop the percentage reporting. But you'll no doubt do the math yourself and see 'the point.'

The divisor is 7,970,000,000.
The real point is that it CURRENTLY is a minor issue, but we're only a few months in. All pandemics started out as minor issues. Where this is headed is anyone's guess.
 

jward

passin' thru
I don't think it is a matter of "not liking gay men" so much as it is a productive, well funded, politically protected class, so anytime you can piggy back upon their issues, and engage their advocacy groups, you are ahead of the curve.
 

jward

passin' thru

Loretta Van Riet

Trying to hang out with the cool kids.
The NY Post had a gruesome photo that i did not see posted here, of a MP patients' rotting nose...
if you wish to see, click the spoiler tag below:


New York Post
@nypost
Monkeypox patient's nose is rotting after being dismissed as sunburn Monkeypox patient’s nose is rotting after being dismissed as sunburn
View: https://twitter.com/irmahinojosa_/status/1560126338542891010?s=20&t=rkVpQp_AKlfoPqwgWRHSZw

Wow. He will probably need debridement of his nose.
 

bw

Fringe Ranger
I haven't been following. What does this number represent?
Percent of the world infected with monkeypox. It was once the percent of the world infected with syphilis, smallpox, Spanish Flu, and HIV. It was also the percent of the world that died in WWI and even WWII. It has a long tradition as a meaningful number.
 

Samuel Adams

Has No Life - Lives on TB
Doctor warns of suspicious pattern behind monkeypox outbreak:



“Resist the fear”, says the article author, toward the end.

Sure. Resist the fear.

That will give you a near useless peace of mind while the world is programmed to go mad all around you……and turn on you in mandated suspicion because you don’t appear……..afraid enough.
 

psychgirl

Has No Life - Lives on TB
That's kind of funny, in a bad-taste-in-your-mouth way. A wide-eyed newbie suddenly wakes up and smells the coffee. For this crowd, it will probably read like an Onion article.
Actually, Dr Haider not a newbie…he’s been one of the online prescribers for “certain Covid protocols and treatments”….he’s just being cautious, and vetts his information so as not to come across as a “hair on fire woo spreader”...

He has been following and studying the pox issue for a couple of months.
I get his newsletter.
 

EMICT

Veteran Member
Doctor warns of suspicious pattern behind monkeypox outbreak:


Doctor Warns of Suspicious Pattern Behind Monkeypox Outbreak​

'This could be used to take away our freedoms'
By Patricia Tolson

August 16, 2022 Updated: August 16, 2022


There has been much speculation that the novel coronavirus was a bioweapon developed in a Chinese Communist Party (CCP) lab. Now, an American doctor has a theory that the new monkeypox outbreak may also have similar nefarious origins.

Dr. Syed Haider told The Epoch Times that the development of the monkeypox outbreak seems identical to the way COVID-19 was introduced to the world.

(Courtesy of Dr. Haider)
Dr. Syed Haider. (Courtesy of Haider)

According to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC), monkeypox is a rare disease caused by infection with the monkeypox virus, which is part of the same family of viruses that causes smallpox. The symptoms of monkeypox are similar to those of smallpox, but are much milder and rarely fatal.

Monkeypox was discovered in 1958, after two outbreaks of the pox-like disease infected colonies of monkeys being kept for research. However, the source of the disease remains unknown. While African rodents and monkeys might harbor the virus and infect people, the first human case of monkeypox wasn’t recorded until 1970.

Prior to the 2022 outbreak, cases of monkeypox in humans had been reported in several Central African and West African countries. However, nearly all cases outside of Africa were linked to international travel.

About a year after the COVID-19 outbreak, Haider said he learned about “Event 201,” which was a tabletop exercise conducted a few months before the coronavirus began to spread.

“It really set the tone for the response by governments all around the world,” Haider explained. “They followed the recommendations that were developed during that tabletop exercise in terms of lockdowns and masks and how to deal with misinformation online. They addressed all of these topics.”

Haider noted that in March 2021, before the current monkeypox outbreak, there was another tabletop exercise hosted by the Nuclear Threat Initiative and the Munich Security Conference. This time, it was for “a strange variant of monkeypox” that was hypothetically bioengineered and released to the world on May 15, 2022, by a terrorist group as a weapon. This hypothetical strain of monkeypox was also defined as resistant to the vaccines that are already available for smallpox, which Haider said are supposed to work on monkeypox as well.

“The bizarre thing is the actual outbreak started within a day or two of the date predicted in the tabletop exercise,” Haider said.

An ‘Unusual Variant’​

“It’s an unusual variant,” Haider said. “We’ve never had a variant of monkeypox that primarily spreads between gay men.”
Haider said there are other signs that lead him to believe the current strain of monkeypox was engineered.

He said the monkeypox virus mutates very slowly and that the last known precursor to this variant is so different that it could not have happened naturally, adding that there just wasn’t enough time for natural evolution to create the variant spreading right now.

While it isn’t “proof” or considered to be the proverbial “smoking gun,” Haider said it is very suspicious and that there is “concern that this is also a bioweapon or some sort of bioterrorism event that’s unfolding.”

Haider said that during the monkeypox tabletop exercise, the researchers involved recommended that mandatory masking and lockdowns be instituted and that people should be vaccinated.

“My main concern is to make people aware that this could be used to take away our freedoms the same way the COVID pandemic was used,” he said.

Haider did note that this does not mean that monkeypox may not harm some people or that it’s not a real virus.
“Some people may end up being hospitalized and some might die eventually, especially with the health care system being overwhelmed,” he said. “Right now what we’re seeing is 10 percent of people with monkeypox have been hospitalized just for the sheer pain of the lesions. It can last for weeks, and they may need strong pain killers.”

Repurposed for Control​

The important message Haider wants to give to people is that authorities shouldn’t be insisting on trying to control an outbreak with measures they know don’t work. Rather than widespread lockdowns of entire societies, it’s best to establish a program that involves “isolation of the cases.”

“That works,” Haider said. “That’s what stops the spread of monkeypox. It’s a pretty slow-moving virus. It doesn’t spread as quickly as COVID. If you just isolate the cases until they are no longer symptomatic, that’s all you really need to do. At this point, there is no asymptomatic spread, or it’s vanishingly rare. In terms of public health, if something is vanishingly rare, it doesn’t really enter into the equation of public health.”

As Haider explained, what people should be concerned about is the usual route of transmission.

“While it might be possible to get it from kissing someone or being one inch from their face for six hours, that’s not what’s going to drive the pandemic forward,” he explained. “It’s not going to lead to a wildfire spread through society.

What’s going to lead to widespread transmission is contact with lesions or contact with the fluid that comes out of the lesions. So we need to educate people to know that if you think you have monkeypox, isolate yourself and you won’t spread it to other people. This is the way to stop a pandemic. Masking is a ridiculous measure for monkeypox, even more ridiculous than it was for COVID.”

That being said, Haider explained that the monkeypox outbreak “can all be easily repurposed as a way to take control away from people, especially going into the midterm elections to try to get us to avoid going to the polls or to use mail-in voting rather than in-person voting.” He said it can also be sued as “an economic weapon.”

“COVID ended up being an economic weapon that destroyed economies around the world and impoverished people,” Haider recalled. “It destroyed medium and small businesses and concentrated wealth at the top. Then it spreads beyond economics into people’s health.”

Inflating the Numbers​

As Haider explained, people end up dying when an economy is destroyed through a phenomenon known as “deaths of despair.”

According to the American Council on Science and Health, “deaths of despair” are defined as “mortality resulting from suicide, drug overdose, and alcohol-related liver disease,” which became increasingly problematic during the extended isolation during the COVID-19 lockdowns. Statistics show that easy access to handguns, alcohol, and opioids—either prescribed, diverted, or obtained through illicit means—increases the likelihood of these deaths.

Haider also noted how—just as they did during the COVID-19 pandemic—people may also die at home of a heart attack or a stroke simply because they are too afraid of contracting monkeypox to leave their homes to go to a hospital. Haider also noted that most of the deaths attributed to COVID-19 were actually people who died “with COVID, not from COVID.”

According to a report by the CDC, 95 percent of the Americans who died from COVID-19 as of Aug. 7, 2022, had comorbidities that played a role in their deaths, such as influenza or pneumonia (44.2 percent), hypertension (18.2 percent), diabetes (13.6 percent), Alzheimer’s disease and other dementias (10.3 percent), and sepsis (11 percent). Deaths from heart attacks, and even a death caused by a motorcycle accident, were coded as COVID-19 deaths.

Resist the Fear​

According to Haider, the preventable death toll of the COVID-19 pandemic, and what should be avoided with this monkeypox outbreak, is the self-inflicted death tolls caused by mismanagement, lockdowns, and unnecessary mandates that force people into depressive conditions of isolation.

Haider said most people aren’t at risk of contracting monkeypox because it’s primarily being sexually transmitted among gay men.

“I don’t want to be fear-mongering,” Haider insisted, citing the fear he saw in younger patients who had essentially no risk to COVID-19 asking him how many masks they needed to wear or if a biohazard suit would keep them safe.

“Fear itself is harmful to your immune system,” he said. “It triggers immunosuppressants, which will actually make your body more susceptible to infections and illness.”

The main message Haider wants to pass on to people is “don’t be afraid of this thing.”

“If it does get bigger and spread more we will develop protocols, just like we did during COVID,” Haider assured, noting there are already promising preparedness protocols, which he is already offering his patients through his online practice.

“We should not allow governments to seize control the way they did last time,” Haider admonished. “Anyone who thinks it’s laughable and that we’re not going to put up with that again, think again. Once the mainstream media gets going and decides to give monkeypox 24/7 coverage the way they did with COVID, people are going to be convinced again, afraid again, and will accept society-wide lockdowns again.

“We need to start working now to prevent that from happening, again.”
 

bracketquant

Veteran Member
“Resist the fear”, says the article author, toward the end.

Sure. Resist the fear.

That will give you a near useless peace of mind while the world is programmed to go mad all around you……and turn on you in mandated suspicion because you don’t appear……..afraid enough.
Just fake the fear. The world is programmed to NOT recognize fakes.
 

Countrymouse

Country exile in the city
NBC has an article that came out yesterday, which I found through reading the thread on the poor dog that got monkeypox.

Interestingly, NBC will not allow copy/pasting of this article.

But is is a medical study, recently completed by at least three different groups of doctors, indicating that monkey pox is NOT transmitted merely by "skin contact" but by the transmission of semen in sexual intercourse. Links are given in the article.

I paste below the link, title, and introductory teaser--it is all the site will allow me to paste.


Sex between men, not skin contact, is fueling monkeypox, new research suggests​

The claim that skin-to-skin contact during sex between men, not intercourse itself, drives most monkeypox transmission is likely backward, a growing group of experts say.
 

Betty_Rose

Veteran Member
NBC has an article that came out yesterday, which I found through reading the thread on the poor dog that got monkeypox.

Interestingly, NBC will not allow copy/pasting of this article.

But is is a medical study, recently completed by at least three different groups of doctors, indicating that monkey pox is NOT transmitted merely by "skin contact" but by the transmission of semen in sexual intercourse. Links are given in the article.

I paste below the link, title, and introductory teaser--it is all the site will allow me to paste.


Sex between men, not skin contact, is fueling monkeypox, new research suggests​

The claim that skin-to-skin contact during sex between men, not intercourse itself, drives most monkeypox transmission is likely backward, a growing group of experts say.

It’s genuinely shocking that NBC News would even permit such a piece to be published.

Maybe even the media has grown weary of protecting gays.
 
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