Michelle Obama Failed Her Bar Exam

G-Man

Membership Revoked
Information indicates that Michelle Obama was either (1) woefully underqualified to be admitted to Harvard Law School (no doubt being black helped); or (2) exceptionally lazy; or (3) both.

It should be pointed out that she had a job lined up at Sidley Austin (BIGLAW), and those jobs don’t start until after the summer bar exam, so she had the opportunity to study full-time for the bar exam and thus she has no excuse for failing it.

http://www.halfsigma.com/2008/02/michelle-obama.html
 

fruit loop

Inactive
The bar exam has a high failure rate, and lots of people take it more than once. This is not indicative of incompetence.
 

Hammer

Veteran Member
While true that the bar exam has a high failure rate, I would be curious what the Harvard Law graduate failure rate is. I bet extremely low. If you are smart enog to get into Harvard you should be smart enough to pass the bar exam. No doubt race helped her get in. I got turned down for Yale law and still pased the bar with flying colors on the first try. Wasn't even that hard.

I tried to get an internship at the big firm in town after my first year of law school. I was told they did not hire first years for internships. I got an internshipthere after my second year and found that a couple people from my class had gotten jobs there after the first year. My grades and background were much better than their, however I was not the correct race. Angers me to this day.

Hammer
 

mbo

Membership Revoked
Besides, Michelle is supposed to be the stupid one in the family. Everyone is supposed to think her husband is intelligent, although that gets disproven every time he speaks without a teleprompter.


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mbo

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While true that the bar exam has a high failure rate, I would be curious what the Harvard Law graduate failure rate is. I bet extremely low. If you are smart enog to get into Harvard you should be smart enough to pass the bar exam. No doubt race helped her get in. I got turned down for Yale law and still pased the bar with flying colors on the first try. Wasn't even that hard.

I tried to get an internship at the big firm in town after my first year of law school. I was told they did not hire first years for internships. I got an internshipthere after my second year and found that a couple people from my class had gotten jobs there after the first year. My grades and background were much better than their, however I was not the correct race. Angers me to this day.

Hammer



Ahhhh, welcome to Fruit Loop's concept of societal fairness.


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fruit loop

Inactive
There is debate over the bar exam, because it is essentially a standardized test. The lawyers are required to cram their heads full of information in hopes that they can regurgitate it on cue. That's all the bar exam does....indicate how much they were able to remember on cue.

How much does it actually help them in practice? Very little.

Lawyers usually have a law library in their offices so that they can look up legal precedent and statutes at need anyway.
 

Dennis Olson

Chief Curmudgeon
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1) Michelle Obama is not going to be President

2) There is no requirement that a president be a lawyer

3) Many, MANY lawyer-hopefuls fail the bar exam. And many also fail it multiple times.

4) Who gives a tinker's damn about His Holiness' wife?
 

CountryboyinGA

Inactive
If it was sarah palin, I wonder what some of ya'lls response would be.

Oh, yeah, wait, it would be:

"well, she's a stupid bitch why are you surprised?" :sht:


but, since it's the messiah's wife, it's acceptable because the test is hard. :boohoo:


CB
 

Melodi

Disaster Cat
First, FL is correct, I've had a number of friends who failed once or even twice before passing.

Second, regardless of what anyone thinks of her husband (pro, con on in the middle) Michelle has not run for any office. She has not been elected and her position as first lady is unpaid and strictly "voluntary" in a legal sense. Her qualifications for law school or lack of them have nothing to do with her husband's new job, unless she is planning for a position in the administrator beyond the "bedroom" cabinet that all first ladies are appointed to. Some first ladies probably use this "position" to talk over deep issue of national security and others probably specialize in great back massages for the weary President. Thankfully, most of the time we are spared the details, as well we should be - I don't really want to know what happens in the Presidential bedroom, every marriage is different and we don't vote for the couple. At least not officially.

I do realize that under the current system that makes the first spouse effectively the US hostess for the President's term of office the is always going to be great curiosity about them, but bottom line, they don't get paid and they didn't get elected. So, unless they CHOOSE to make their life an open book, like Hillary Clinton did by taken a government post while her husband was in office, I think first ladies (and men) need to be allowed the choice of privacy when possible.

After all, how many American's realize there even was a Mr. Dennis Thatcher? Who I gather spend much of his latter years making sure his busy wife remembered to eat and kept the family lanterns burning until she could get home to a pair supportive arms.

Not all first spouses want to be so quiet that folks don't realize they exist, but they should have the choice to fill the position as much or as little as they wish. Unless or until first "host/hostess" becomes a paid position, the private life of those who fill it should be for them to disclose or not as they choose.

Oh, and by the way, there have been "first hostesses" who were not wives, including a niece and at least one daughter. Showing that to function properly, the White House protocol pretty much requires that someone do this. I confess I am looking forward to seeing how the first "host" handles things, but we're going to have to wait a few years for that one. Wonder how fast the job will get a salary when that happens?...hmmm
 

nomifyle

TB Fanatic
Michelle has not run for any office. She has not been elected and her position as first lady is unpaid and strictly "voluntary" in a legal sense. [/QUOTE said:
I'd be willing to bet, (even tho I am not a betting person), that the position of first lady does become a paid position and it will start with "Michelle O", :kk2: because after all she is leaving a very well paid job and we wouldn't want her to just be a voluntare, now would we!!:kk2::kk2:

And I just don't understand why "everyone" is so impressed with their brilliance, they are well educated and along with that comes some measure of enhancing ones intellect.

Judy
 

myst

Contributing Member
I always thought my step-daughter was pretty smart........she graduated from little ole Coastal Law School, Jacksonville, Fl........she passed the bar the first time......
 

TerriHaute

Hoosier Gardener
1) Michelle Obama is not going to be President

2) There is no requirement that a president be a lawyer

3) Many, MANY lawyer-hopefuls fail the bar exam. And many also fail it multiple times.

4) Who gives a tinker's damn about His Holiness' wife?

Exactly. As I recall, JFK Jr. took three tries to pass the bar and I think he practiced law about as much as his sister did. Being accepted at Harvard law school does not necessarily mean you were qualified. It typically means you had family connections, wealth, or both. Being a minority is a plus.
 

fruit loop

Inactive
Thanks, Melodi. My feelings exactly, and I mean regarding ANY first lady.

The position is antiquated, and dates from the days when women didn't work outside the home, and were expected to be their husband's free hostess.

First Lady and First Kid should be off limits.
 

NC Susan

Deceased
http://www.discoverthenetworks.org/individualProfile.asp?indid=2311





  • Wife of Barack Hussein Obama
  • Attorney
  • Views America as a racist, sexist nation
  • Declared in 2008, "For the first time in my adult lifetime, I am really proud of my country..."


Born in Chicago on January 17, 1964, Michelle LaVaughn Robinson Obama is an attorney who has been married to Barack Hussein Obama since 1992.

In 1985 Miss Robinson received her B.A. in Sociology from Princeton University, where she minored in African American Studies. According to FrontPageMagazine reporter Jacob Laksin, "In a [February 2008] interview with Newsweek, [Michelle] Obama reveals that she got into Princeton … not on the strength of her grades, which she admits were unexceptional, but thanks to her brother Craig, a star athlete and gifted student who preceded her to the school. As a 'legacy' candidate and a beneficiary of affirmative action, Michelle Obama was granted an opportunity that others more accomplished were denied."

At Princeton, Miss Robinson wrote a senior thesis entitled "Princeton-Educated Blacks and the Black Community," (see complete thesis under the Resources column on the left-hand side of this page). Some excerpts from the thesis include the following:

  • "Predominately white universities like Princeton are socially and academically designed to cater to the needs of the white students comprising the bulk of their enrollments."
  • "[My Princeton experiences] "will likely lead to my further integration and/or assimilation into a White cultural and social structure that will only allow me to remain on the periphery of society; never becoming a full participant."
  • "I have found that at Princeton, no matter how liberal and open-minded some of my white professors and classmates try to be toward me, I sometimes feel like a visitor on campus; as if I really don't belong. Regardless of the circumstances under which I interact with whites at Princeton, it often seems as if, to them, I will always be black first and a student second."
  • "Earlier in my college career, there was no doubt in my mind that as a member of the Black community I was somehow obligated to this community and would utilize all of my present and future resources to benefit this community first and foremost."
  • "In defining the concept of identification or the ability to identify with the black community … I based my definition on the premise that there is a distinctive black culture very different from white culture."
After graduating from Princeton, Miss Robinson went on to attend Harvard Law School, where she was accepted under the aegis of a minority outreach program. As one of her friends would later reflect, Robinson recognized that she had been privileged by affirmative action and was very comfortable with that.

After law school, Miss Robinson returned to Chicago to work for the law firm Sidley Austin. There she met her future husband, Barack Obama, who was working for the firm as a summer associate. In the summer of 1991 she joined the staff of Chicago Mayor Richard M. Daley.

In 1992, as noted earlier, Miss Robinson wed Barack Obama.

In 1993 she became Executive Director for the Chicago office of the organization Public Allies, an entity that sought to cultivate future community activist leaders by arranging apprenticeships for young adults with non-profit organizations.

In 2002, Mrs. Obama began working for the University of Chicago Hospitals (UCH), first as Executive Director for Community Affairs and later, beginning in May 2005, as Vice President for Community and External Affairs. In these roles, she was heavily involved in managing UCH's "business diversity program." In early 2005, shortly after her husband had been sworn in as a Democratic U.S. Senator representing Illinois, Mrs. Obama's annual salary at UCH was suddenly raised from $121,910 to $316,962.

Mrs. Obama also served as a salaried board member of TreeHouse Foods, Inc., a major Wal-Mart supplier with whom she cut ties immediately after her husband made comments critical of Wal-Mart at an AFL-CIO forum in Trenton, New Jersey, on May 14, 2007.

Mrs. Obama was honored by Essence magazine in May 2006 as one of the "World's Most Inspiring Women"; by Vanity Fair in July 2007 as one of the "World's Best-Dressed Women"; and by 02138 magazine in September 2007 as #58 in "The Harvard 100" list of that university's most influential alumni.

In a February 2007 appearance with her husband on 60 Minutes, Mrs. Obama implied that America's allegedly rampant white racism posed a great physical threat to her husband, who had just announced his candidacy for the 2008 presidential race. Said Mrs. Obama: "As a black man, you know, Barack can get shot going to the gas station." (Mrs. Obama's implication ignored the fact that the vast majority of violence against black Americans is committed by other blacks. According to the U.S. Justice Department, for instance, between 1976 and 2005, fully 94 percent of black murder victims were killed by black attackers.)

In January 2008, Mrs. Obama was a guest speaker at the University of South Carolina, where she challenged students to embrace diversity. "We don't like being pushed outside of our comfort zones," she said. "You know it right here on this campus. You know people sitting at different tables -- you all living in different dorms. I was there. You're not talking to each other, [not] taking advantage [of the fact] that you're in this diverse community. Because sometimes it's easier to hold on to your own stereotypes and misconceptions. It makes you feel justified in your own ignorance. That's America. So the challenge for us is are we ready for change?"

On February 1, 2008, Mrs. Obama said, "I don't think there is a person of color in this country that doesn't struggle with what it means to be a part of your race versus what the majority thinks is right."

During a February 18, 2008 speech in Milwaukee on behalf of her husband's presidential campaign, Mrs. Obama declared, "For the first time in my adult lifetime, I am really proud of my country, and not just because Barack has done well, but because I think people are hungry for change."

On another campaign stop that same month, Mrs. Obama told a Zanesville, Ohio audience: "The salaries don't keep up with the cost of paying off the debt. So you're in your forties, still paying off your debt at a time when you have to save for your kids. Barack and I were in that position. The only reason we're not in that position is that Barack wrote two best-selling books.… It was like Jack and his magic beans. But up until a few years ago, we were struggling to figure out how we would save for our kids." "We left corporate America," Mrs. Obama added, "which is a lot of what we're asking young people to do. Don't go into corporate America. You know, become teachers. Work for the community. Be social workers. Be a nurse. Those are the careers that we need, and we're encouraging our young people to do that. But if you make that choice, as we did, to move out of the money-making industry into the helping industry, then your salaries respond."

In March 2008 a New Yorker profile quoted Mrs. Obama saying, in a stump speech she had made in South Carolina, that the United States is "just downright mean" as a nation. "We have become a nation of struggling folks who are barely making it every day," she told churchgoers in that same state. "Folks are just jammed up, and it's gotten worse over my lifetime."
 

BigBadBossyDog

Membership Revoked
There is debate over the bar exam, because it is essentially a standardized test. The lawyers are required to cram their heads full of information in hopes that they can regurgitate it on cue. That's all the bar exam does....indicate how much they were able to remember on cue.

How much does it actually help them in practice? Very little.

Lawyers usually have a law library in their offices so that they can look up legal precedent and statutes at need anyway.

There's really no need to change the subject, or blow and go about the irrelevance of the exam. It doesn't change the fact that the dumb shit flunked and others pass.
 

NC Susan

Deceased
I just want to know what she did that couldnt be overlooked.
Why did the State of Illinois, the most corrupt political machine, pull her license.

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fruit loop

Inactive
From what I read somewhere....she didn't pay her fees to keep it up, and when they lapse, they're automatically revoked.
 

nanna

Devil's Advocate
Michelle Obama's apparently a strong and confident woman, and seems to be reasonably intelligent. I think she'll make - already *is* making - a very good impression and contribution as First Lady.



nanna
 

MtnGal

Has No Life - Lives on TB
From what I read somewhere....she didn't pay her fees to keep it up, and when they lapse, they're automatically revoked.

My understanding is that it is not revoked. It is in escrow like other licenses not being used. You pay a fee to keep it there, but not enough to keep it active. It can be reinstated from escrow at a later date with a fee and testing of new laws or continuing education credits.

I do not know if this is true, just repeating a foaf who is an attorney.
 

NC Susan

Deceased
I just want to know what she did that couldnt be overlooked. Why did the State of Illinois, the most corrupt political machine, pull her license. .


http://newsgroups.derkeiler.com/Archive/Talk/talk.politics.guns/2008-12/msg01558.html


MICHELLE OBAMA ON "COURT ORDERED INACTIVE STATUS"


http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs/2008/12/wtf-michelle-ob.html

MICHELLE OBAMA ON "COURT ORDERED INACTIVE STATUS"

First off, the biggest ass-kissing media refers to Michelle Obama as a 'distinguished attorney" despite the fact that Michelle Obama has been"inactive" since 1993. Click here: ARDC | Lawyer Search

ARDC - Attorney Registration & Disciplinary Commission of the Supreme Court of Illinois

Click to enlarge image. Everyday another Obama skeleton comes careening out of the closet.

This ADRC is for discipline reasons...not for those volunteering to stop practicing. It is COURT ORDERED...not "Michelle Obama ordered." Their website is very clear about their function and why they step in. (see below)

If this was a Republican, the Democrooks would have her up on charges already.

Schmoo, an attorney, points out, "sounds more to me like she was drummed right out of the practice of law. I am just dying to know what she did... she ran to have a court ordered inactive status done...and then no malpractice report needed to be provided.

She wanted this to 'go away" fast and furious and the details not come out in depositions, courtroom documents, rulings for the client/plaintiffs...etc..

I would love to know what she did. I believe barack obummer himself was also disciplined--I know his law license is on "inactive" he lied about ever going by any other names when he applied for bar application. He also failed to state any prior drug use...(which he admitted in his books...and he had outstanding tickets that were never paid)."

Michelle Obama on court ordered inactive status with the Illinois State Attorney hat tip schmoopett

huh?

Michelle Obama is on COURT ORDERED INACTIVE STATUS--order said since she has been placed INACTIVE that "no malpractice record required."

WHAT DID SHE DO THAT in 1993 -- AFTER only 4 YEARS -- HER LICENSE to PRACTICE LAW WAS REVIEWED AND PUT ON INACTIVE by a DISCIPLINARY AGENCY?

What Is the ARDC? (this is NOT the Illinois Bar-where one can voluntarily be inactive) As our name implies, the ARDC is the agency of the Supreme Court of Illinois which registers attorneys and investigates complaints of misconduct filed against attorneys holding a license to practice law in Illinois.

Our principal purpose is to assist the Supreme Court to determine a lawyer's fitness to practice law in Illinois. If a complaint is made that an attorney, licensed to practice law in Illinois, has engaged in illegal, unethical or dishonest conduct, we will investigate and, if warranted, bring formal disciplinary charges. The Supreme Court of Illinois will then ultimately decide if a lawyer should be censured (publicly rebuked), suspended (having the law license to practice either taken away for a certain period of time or placed on a probationary period) or disbarred (having the law license taken away indefinitely).

We cannot impose fines, imprison, obtain monetary damages, enforce remedies between the lawyer and client, or seek civil or criminal relief against a lawyer as part of the disciplinary process. We can affect only the lawyer's ability to practice law in Illinois.

We are not funded by taxpayers' money. We are funded entirely by the annual registration fees paid by attorneys authorized to practice law in Illinois.

What Is a Request for an Investigation of an Attorney?

It is a request to us that we look into the conduct of an attorney who you believe has acted improperly. We will review your request to determine if an investigation is warranted. In most cases, we will initiate an investigation where the information you provide us suggests that the attorney engaged in illegal, dishonest or unethical conduct. Filing a request accusing an attorney of unethical conduct is a serious matter to the lawyer. We recommend that, whenever practical, you try to resolve any differences or disputes that do not concern claims of unethical conduct directly with the lawyer.

How Do I Request an Investigation of an Attorney?

By mailing to our office, either in Chicago or Springfield, a request that you want an attorney to be investigated by our office. Your request should be in writing. No special form is necessary. For your convenience, you may download a Request for Investigation form. Please return the Request by postal mail or hand-delivery. The ARDC does not accept an e-mail transmission of a Request for Investigation.

UPDATE: Scmoo the attorney adds:

as an attorney I am telling you that people can "choose" to not pay their registration fees or take their continuing education of the bar and therefore go on "suspension...or inactive status
that goes thru the CAL BAR--the California Bar association

UPDATE: What was little Michelle from the Southside of Chicago doing in 1993?

1993: Public Allies Chicago with 30 Allies is launched by founding Executive Director Michelle Obama. President Clinton names Public Allies a model for national service. First Lady Hilary Clinton hosts Rose Garden reception for Public Allies at the White House.

Say what? Michelle and Hillary go back that far?

Shmoo finds more:

In 1992 Michelle Obama left her job at Sidley Austin to launch a career in public service, serving as an assistant to Mayor Daley and then as the assistant commissioner of planning and development for the City of Chicago.
(ask yourself how did a 2-3 year attorney...just wound up being Mayor Daleys "assistant" just like that...and what did she do as an "assistant" what does that even mean when you are a harvard trained attorney?)

Too close for comfort. Coincidental?

Bernardine Dohrn, Bill ayers wife was at Sidley Austin--- a law firm in Chicago from From 1984 to 1988. Dohrn was employed by the law firm Sidley Austin although her criminal record has prevented her from being admitted to either the New York or Illinois bar. (source: wikipedia)






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