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Henry Bowman

Henry Bowman

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This will probably start happening en mass in the Mortgage/real estate sector very soon.

This is just another reason to either A. have a side gig / hustle that can help with income or B. own your own business and control your own future...cant fire yourself over a friggin zoom call ( what an Ahole this Jit is. )
 
Blacknarwhal

Blacknarwhal

Let's Go Brandon!
Henry Bowman said:
This will probably start happening en mass in the Mortgage/real estate sector very soon.

This is just another reason to either A. have a side gig / hustle that can help with income or B. own your own business and control your own future...cant fire yourself over a friggin zoom call ( what an Ahole this Jit is. )
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B will help you much less than you think if you lose clients.
 
Knoxville's Joker

Knoxville's Joker

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was it not stated that they analyzed things and it was apparent the folks were not working more than a coupe of hours a week?
 
Blacknarwhal

Blacknarwhal

Let's Go Brandon!
Knoxville's Joker said:
was it not stated that they analyzed things and it was apparent the folks were not working more than a coupe of hours a week?
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That's what they SAY.

1. If you believe them, that may be your biggest problem. It's easy to say "We've been watching you and you're a bad worker!" when you want an easy way to fire people to save money because your main business is going under.
2. It's kind of handy, isn't it, that there are so many "bad workers" in play when their main business is probably going under. Great way to get rid of people without pesky lawsuits.
3. When you start adding up commute times and pointless meetings and other standard workday fare, how much do you think people in the office actually work? Were they actually that much less productive than they were before?
 
Knoxville's Joker

Knoxville's Joker

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Blacknarwhal said:
That's what they SAY.

1. If you believe them, that may be your biggest problem. It's easy to say "We've been watching you and you're a bad worker!" when you want an easy way to fire people to save money because your main business is going under.
2. It's kind of handy, isn't it, that there are so many "bad workers" in play when their main business is probably going under. Great way to get rid of people without pesky lawsuits.
3. When you start adding up commute times and pointless meetings and other standard workday fare, how much do you think people in the office actually work? Were they actually that much less productive than they were before?
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Well working in IT I can tell you that the monitoring software may be saying that on a lot of the workers and there are other workers that cheat the software.

I will agree with you the number seemed high, but that is the issue on work from home jobs. They are much more easily disposed of so as you say the reasons and numbers are lies.

I will tell you this a 9am meeting that lasts an hour will literally kill a half day of productivity as it takes 30-90 minutes to get back into the grove of being productive on average. every meeting can literally rob 4 hours of productivity especially if it is an in person meeting. And that is the killer with online monitoring with real estate if they are rehabbing a home with clean up just to get it sellable that can literally cause the appearance of low productivity.

But on the flip side the monitoring softwares have been tweaked during the pandemic to do a tell tale of who the really productive folks are. The one thing I have noticed is that businesses have realized that they can do more with less if the less are the actual hard workers that do not have to cover for the workers that can't/won't/refuse to work just as hard.
 
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Knoxville's Joker said:
Well working in IT I can tell you that the monitoring software may be saying that on a lot of the workers and there are other workers that cheat the software.

I will agree with you the number seemed high, but that is the issue on work from home jobs. They are much more easily disposed of so as you say the reasons and numbers are lies.

I will tell you this a 9am meeting that lasts an hour will literally kill a half day of productivity as it takes 30-90 minutes to get back into the grove of being productive on average. every meeting can literally rob 4 hours of productivity especially if it is an in person meeting. And that is the killer with online monitoring with real estate if they are rehabbing a home with clean up just to get it sellable that can literally cause the appearance of low productivity.

But on the flip side the monitoring softwares have been tweaked during the pandemic to do a tell tale of who the really productive folks are. The one thing I have noticed is that businesses have realized that they can do more with less if the less are the actual hard workers that do not have to cover for the workers that can't/won't/refuse to work just as hard.
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There are certainly large numbers of people who are simply incapable of working steadily and hard without supervision. If their jobs have, er... rather nebulous metrics of productivity?... it becomes very tempting to procrastinate and find other "fun" stuff to do.

It's not like farming, where if you don't do ALL this chores on time, animals die.

Summerthyme
 
Blacknarwhal

Blacknarwhal

Let's Go Brandon!
summerthyme said:
There are certainly large numbers of people who are simply incapable of working steadily and hard without supervision. If their jobs have, er... rather nebulous metrics of productivity?... it becomes very tempting to procrastinate and find other "fun" stuff to do.

It's not like farming, where if you don't do ALL this chores on time, animals die.

Summerthyme
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Metrics are a big part of things. Years ago, I worked in a phone store. I worked mornings, which meant I opened up the store, did some cleaning and inventory, and then, not much else. We were expected to wait on customers as they came in, but the store had virtually no customers come in all mornings. Surprise surprise; people who have jobs usually go to them in the morning. Those who don't aren't buying phones.

We were ALSO expected to serve as telemarketers for the company's services, making calls to former and potential customers. The scheduling software used had one slot open every 15 minutes, and I'd schedule a call for every 15 minutes as the system allowed. I'd make the calls easily enough because no one was in the store at that hour to begin with. Surprise surprise once more, no one actually answered those calls. Their answering machines did. At the time, policy was to call three times and leave a message on the third try, going through the list and then noting the messages left. I made around four calls an hour the whole time I was there, maybe about five hours in a day.

So at the end of my career there--which didn't last long--I had no sales, ever, but I made three or four times the calls of anyone in the company and spent most of the morning with a paperback book. The company praised me on several occasions for my amazing call volume.

My manager, a single mother who was younger than I was, did not like the results I produced and publicly stated that she would have to "come out" to my store and "watch me". I did not like that in the least, and left shortly thereafter.
 
h_oder

h_oder

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anna43 said:
Maybe it's only when a business is closing, but I though a certain number of days notice was required. When the factory where dh worked closed I know they had to give notice although cannot remember the number of days. Was immaterial to us because by fluke we'd found out months earlier.
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I believe you are taking about WARN notices & things like that
 
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