Many States Struggling on Evacuation Plans Regarding Catastrophes

pixmo

Bucktoothed feline member
Frankly, I'm not surprised. Don't count on the government to save you, folks...

http://www.forbes.com/business/manufacturing/feeds/ap/2006/02/14/ap2526566.html

Fewer than half the states say they are prepared to respond to a catastrophic disaster like Hurricane Katrina, and many are still struggling to meet federal guidelines for evacuations, a Homeland Security Department analysis shows.

Louisiana officials, who were overwhelmed by the Aug. 29 storm, reported they feel confident in their plans to respond to future catastrophes. Louisiana officials also said they are somewhat confident in their ability to evacuate victims from disaster sites, according to the Feb. 10 report to Congress.

The Homeland Security analysis, which was ordered by Congress and President Bush, was released as the department has come under fire for its response to Katrina.

A House report set for release Wednesday blames all levels of government for the sluggish response, but singles out Homeland Security Secretary Michael Chertoff for delays that slowed aid.

White House spokesman Scott McClellan said President Bush has full confidence in Chertoff, and has not considered asking him to step down in the wake of the criticism.

"Secretary Chertoff is doing a great job," McClellan said Tuesday. "The president appreciates his strong leadership."

Senate Democratic Leader Harry Reid of Nevada, however, reiterated an earlier call for Chertoff to resign. The recent criticism about Chertoff's performance during Katrina "only adds to my displeasure with our secretary," Reid said.

The Homeland Security analysis compiles self-assessments by the 50 states, five U.S. territories, the District of Columbia and the nation's 75 largest cities.

In the survey, 47 states reported that their emergency response plans meet federal standards. Two states - West Virginia and Hawaii - said their basic plans do not, while Wyoming did not respond.

Twenty states - including Louisiana, Texas, Florida and Alabama, which were all slammed by massive hurricanes last year - said they felt confident about their plan to respond to a catastrophe. Fourteen states said they were only somewhat confident, while another 13 reported they were not confident about their plans to manage a catastrophe. Three states, including Mississippi, which was also rocked by Katrina, did not respond.

Only five states - Texas, Florida, Alabama, Virginia and Connecticut - said they were confident their evacuation plans would work during a catastrophe. Eighteen others, including Louisiana, said they were somewhat confident. Twenty-two states said their evacuation plans would not be adequate and five states did not answer.

A spokeswoman for Louisiana Gov. Kathleen Blanco said the state's catastrophic response and evacuation plans were updated after Katrina hit.

"A lot of the lessons were learned before (Hurricane) Rita," Blanco spokeswoman Denise Bottcher said Tuesday. She noted that officials directly called homes, and helped those in nursing homes and hospitals get out before the Sept. 24 storm.
 

kittyinva

Membership Revoked
I have to laugh at the signs on the interstates around here. They say "Hurricane Evacuation Route" and most of these roads eventually wind up going toward out to the two lane roads in the country.

If it weren't so stupid it would be laughable.
 

Amaryllis

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Some of the hurricane evacuation routes here in Texas lead right to the very place that was hit hardest by Rita last year. :screw:

After seeing what those poor folks from Houston and Beaumont areas suffered while evacuating from Rita, I would just about consider (if not moving away from coast all together) not evacuating at all. I think they just about stand a better chance dealing with the storm.

No gas, a two hour drive being a two day drive, shooting, looting, a couple of small children hit by cars (one was killed, some say murdered), a woman ran over in a store parking lot where gas lines were, people shooting and stabbing to get gas, people stranded in their cars with no gas during the hurricane, hospitals on lock down, state cops directing what if any gas was left, and if that's not enough it was HOT here and good luck to anyone who needed water or ice.

Seriously, I'd think long and hard about evacuating as long as you live in an area above sea level. If you do evacuate get far far far away from the coast. What I described above is about 100 miles from coast. You should be much farther away from the hurricane otherwise the hurricane will be the least of your worries.
 

corona

Contributing Member
What to do????

Amaryllis wrote! Seriously, I'd think long and hard about evacuating as long as you live in an area above sea level. If you do evacuate get far far far away from the coast. What I described above is about 100 miles from coast. You should be much farther away from the hurricane otherwise the hurricane will be the least of your worries.

What do you do?? if it,s a cat 4 or 5 and live on the coast as i do. You cant not but to evacuate...Some of the things my entire family is talking about, is getting familar with small county roads, maybe renting a big house for the summer, either in houston or out in the country but away from the coast. or just at least renting some acreage in the country to just have a place to campout In a mass evcuation of the low lying areas of houston, there wont be enough shelters. And yes Amaryllis is correct, it was more harried during the evacuation than was reported in the media
 

Amaryllis

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corona said:
Amaryllis wrote! Seriously, I'd think long and hard about evacuating as long as you live in an area above sea level. If you do evacuate get far far far away from the coast. What I described above is about 100 miles from coast. You should be much farther away from the hurricane otherwise the hurricane will be the least of your worries.

What do you do?? if it,s a cat 4 or 5 and live on the coast as i do. You cant not but to evacuate...Some of the things my entire family is talking about, is getting familar with small county roads, maybe renting a big house for the summer, either in houston or out in the country but away from the coast. or just at least renting some acreage in the country to just have a place to campout In a mass evcuation of the low lying areas of houston, there wont be enough shelters. And yes Amaryllis is correct, it was more harried during the evacuation than was reported in the media

If you must evac. definitely take the back roads. I had a friend evac'ing from Houston to Lufkin (bad idea, we were hit pretty hard) who took back roads. He had no idea what roads to take he just knew he had to go NNE direction. It only took him about three hours which is good. Do not let yourself get stranded though because most law enforcement will be on major highways. There may would be no help at all on the back roads if you needed it.

I think if I lived on the coast, I would have a place to park my camper farther inland. Maybe some property you could purchase or a relatives home. Be sure to stock it with food, water, and GAS. Have cash on hand in case your evac destination gets hit and ends up with no power. Take your home owners insurance papers with you in case you end up with no home to come back to.

I hate to sound so grim, but I learned a lot from Rita, and I'm afraid if we were hit once we could certainly be hit again.
 

corona

Contributing Member
A Camping we will go

Amaryllis, We too got stuck on the back roads south of Conroe, and were lucky to make it there...I didnt know the area and it cost us alot of time, where some people that knew the roads got though there pretty quick... I,m looking towards the west of me, for i know the roads mush better, now all i have to do is famiarize myself with some of the small county roads...FYI there is an road FM 1492 that runs from Alvin to state highway 36, that i have use to evac before, but during Rita my BIL tries it and was stopped at the intersection of FM 1492 and Hwy 288 and was routed back to houston...I think the only way i,m going to get to the back roads is to flank all the way down the coast to Freeport and then run up the back roads until i can catch Hwy 71, which leads up to Columbus at I-10. That will at least put me a nice distance west of houston....
 

A.T.Hagan

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Well, of course they are struggling.

I invite anyone to spend an hour or two with some paper and pencils to try detailing a plan to evacuate their nearest large city in less than a full seventy two hours in perfect weather.

Major cities are not designed to be evacuated quickly under any circumstances. There are simply too many people typically in geographically restricted areas to move them all out quickly. The very features that often make it worthwhile to grow a major city in a given location are the same features that will work against you if you have to move them all out in a hurry.

Now add in some real stressors such as unwilling populations, fast oncoming disasters where you have only hours instead of full days, political restraints, and the situation becomes virtually impossible.

Shelter in place for any oncoming disaster that give you less than two or three days to move everyone out (this is not for our very largest cities) is the only option that can possibly work. But a great many folks - especially on this board - will scream about that. The government is supposed to swoop in like the hand of God and magically lift everyone to safety without having done any of those things that are necessary in advance to be able to accomplish this!

Don't allow people to build in unsafe places and they will scream. Make people take even minimal steps to insure their own safety and they will scream. Force people to behave in a manner that makes it even possible, much less efficient, to move them out quickly (one suitcase per person, get on the truck) and you court armed insurrection.

Frankly I would take on the jod of trying to pan mass evacuations for any money - not even in gold.

.....Alan.
 

Ravekid

Veteran Member
A.T.Hagan said:
Major cities are not designed to be evacuated quickly under any circumstances. There are simply too many people typically in geographically restricted areas to move them all out quickly. The very features that often make it worthwhile to grow a major city in a given location are the same features that will work against you if you have to move them all out in a hurry.

I think that most major cities that have land on the majority of the sides (Indy, Chicago for the most part, etc. etc) could easily be evacuated if all roads went one way away from the city.

If a major city really needs an evac, all roads should be one way away from the city. Also, people in trucks and stuff should be allowed to knock vehicles blocking the road out of the way as long as they let the occupants jump in the bed of the truck. This gets the junker off the road and onto the sidewalk. There are so many streets where I live, that an evac should be easy. The problem is that people are stupid, and thus they want to use the only way they know...which usually is the only way 75% of the population knows. It's pretty sad how folks are totally unfamiliar with roads that are just 1/2 mile off their normal daily commute.

You hit the nail on the head with folks not liking being told what to do. In those cases, we may as well let them die. However, you can see how folks will respond to that "DO SOMETHING!!" for these idiots who should have never been in trouble in the first place.
 

Rubythedane

Contributing Member
Lots of folks got burned during the Rita evacuation and will not leave next time. Like others here have said, if you're far enough above sea level you might as well stay put.

So many trees were blown over during Rita that there's just not much left to fall in subsequent hurricanes. In my area the falling trees were the greatest danger for loss of life. Many of the structures that were damaged by high winds were substandard anyway and it was obvious that a strong wind could blow them away.

Lesson learned? Get out very early or prepare for at least a week without help.
 

ofuzzy1

Just Visiting
A spokeswoman for Louisiana Gov. Kathleen Blanco said the state's catastrophic response and evacuation plans were updated after Katrina hit.

Their old plan: Blame Everyone. Let the Busses drown.
Their new plan: Don't Blame Me. The Fed's didn't give us enough money.
 
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