CORONA Main Coronavirus thread

Burrito

Veteran Member
Thanks! I will try my best to be safe.

My wife just told me that someone on WeChat (their social media and chat service) is saying there is someone at the hospital near here in Tianjin that has the virus. (a few bus stops away from our apartment) Another person is claiming there are already 150 people sick with the virus in Tianjin, but I would take that with a grain of salt because there is no way to confirm the information.
 

Heliobas Disciple

TB Fanatic
Thank you for the update. Word on the street may be more accurate than censored news so don't worry about sharing what you hear. Please stay safe, start your elderberry now and wear mask and gloves. And avoid crowds if at all possible.
 

Pinecone

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Pinecone

Has No Life - Lives on TB
Found this when I went looking for information on the incubation period of the new virus, which I didn't find. Yet. Back to looking.

2019 Novel Coronavirus, Wuhan, China



2019 Novel Coronavirus (2019-nCoV), Wuhan, China
This is an emerging, rapidly evolving situation and CDC will provide updated information as it becomes available, in addition to updated guidance.
On This Page

Updated January 20, 2020
Situation Summary
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The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) is closely monitoring an outbreak caused by a novel (new) coronavirus in Wuhan City, Hubei Province, China. Chinese authorities first identified the new coronavirus, which has resulted in about 200 confirmed human infections in China with three deaths reportedexternal icon. A number of countries, including the United States, are actively screening incoming travelers from Wuhan and exported cases have been confirmed in Thailand,external icon Japanexternal icon, and South Koreaexternal icon.
Chinese health authorities posted the full genome of the so-called “2019 novel coronavirus” or “2019-nCoV” in GenBankexternal icon, the NIH genetic sequence database, and in the Global Initiative on Sharing All Influenza Data (GISAIDexternal icon) portal.
Coronaviruses are a large family of viruses, some causing illness in people and others that circulate among animals, including camels, cats and bats. Rarely, animal coronaviruses can evolve and infect people and then spread between people such as has been seen with MERS and SARS. Past MERS and SARS outbreaks have been complex, requiring comprehensive public health responses.
Many of the patients in the outbreak in Wuhan, China have reportedly had some link to a large seafood and animal market, suggesting animal-to-person spread. However, a growing number of patients reportedly have not had exposure to animal markets, suggesting limited person-to-person spread is occurring.
There are ongoing investigations to learn more. This is a rapidly evolving situation and information will be updated as it becomes available.
Risk Assessment
Outbreaks of novel virus infections among people are always of public health concern. The risk from these outbreaks depends on characteristics of the virus, including whether and how well it spreads between people, the severity of resulting illness, and the medical or other measures available to control the impact of the virus (for example, vaccine or treatment medications).
There is much more to learn about how the 2019-nCoV virus spreads, severity of associated illness, and other features of the virus. Investigations are ongoing. Based on current information, however, the immediate health risk from 2019-nCoV to the general American public is deemed to be low at this time. Nevertheless, CDC is taking proactive preparedness precautions.
What to Expect
Access to the full genetic sequence of 2019-nCoV will help identify infections with this virus going forward. More cases may be identified in the coming days, including more in countries outside China, and possibly in the United States. Given what has occurred previously with MERS and SARS, it’s likely that some limited person-to-person spread will continue to occur.
CDC Response
  • CDC is closely monitoring this situation and is working with WHO.
  • CDC established a 2019-nCoV Incident Management Structure on January 7, 2020.
  • CDC has updated its interim travel health notice for this destination to provide information to people who may be traveling to Wuhan City and who may get sick.
  • CDC began entry screening of passengers on direct and connecting flights from Wuhan China to the three main ports of entry in the United States on January 17, 2020.
  • CDC issued an updated interim Health Alert Notice (HAN) Advisory to inform state and local health departments and health care providers about this outbreak on January 17, 2020.
  • CDC has developed a Reverse Transcription-Polymerase Chain Reaction (RT-PCR) test that can diagnose 2019-nCoV. Currently, testing for this virus must take place at CDC, but in the coming days and weeks, CDC will share these tests with domestic and international partners through the agency’s International Reagent Resourceexternal icon.
Other Available Resources
The following resources are available with information on 2019-nCoV
 

Pinecone

Has No Life - Lives on TB
Factbox: New coronavirus outbreak spreads in China



(Reuters) - Chinese authorities and the World Health Organization (WHO) say a new strain of coronavirus is behind the outbreak of pneumonia in the central city of Wuhan that has now spread to other parts of the country.


Passengers wearing masks wait to board trains at the Beijing West Railway Station, in Beijing, China January 20, 2020. REUTERS/Stringer
Some experts say the strain may not be as deadly as some other strains of coronavirus such as Severe Acute Respiratory Syndrome, which killed nearly 800 people worldwide during a 2002/03 outbreak that also originated from China.

Little is known about the new virus, including its origin, but health authorities have confirmed human-to-human transmission.

KNOWN CASES
As of Jan. 21, there were more than 200 confirmed cases of patients in China and elsewhere with the new strain of coronavirus. Their symptoms included fever, coughing and difficulty breathing.

Of the 198 patients in Wuhan itself, four have died.

National and local health authorities in China have also reported 21 patients outside of Wuhan, including five in Beijing and two in Shanghai, marking the first instances of the virus spreading to other parts of the country.

South Korea on Jan. 20 reported a new case of the virus involving a Chinese traveler from Wuhan.


Thailand has reported two confirmed cases of the virus, both of whom were Chinese tourists from Wuhan.

Japan also confirmed one case of a Japanese citizen who visited Wuhan.

LITTLE KNOWN ABOUT VIRUS ITSELF

Chinese health authorities are still trying to determine the origin of the virus, which has been linked to a seafood market in Wuhan. They have confirmed human-to-human transmission and that 15 medical staff in the country have been infected.

The WHO says an animal source appears most likely to be the primary source of the outbreak.

COUNTERMEASURES

There is no vaccine for the new virus.

Chinese authorities have stepped up monitoring and disinfection efforts ahead of the Lunar New Year holiday in late January, when many of China’s 1.4 billion people will travel domestically and overseas.

Airport authorities in the United States as well as many Asian countries, including Japan, Thailand, Singapore and South Korea, stepped up screening of passengers from Wuhan.

Singapore announced on Jan. 21 that it will quarantine individuals with pneumonia and travel history to Wuhan within 14 days before the onset of symptoms.

The WHO sent directives to hospitals around the world on infection prevention and control. It has also convened an emergency committee of experts on Jan. 22 to assess whether the outbreak constitutes an international emergency.
Writing by Se Young Lee; Editing by Angus MacSwan and Himani Sarkar
 

Pinecone

Has No Life - Lives on TB
I hate to be the one to say it, but this stuff has been on planes. It's been diagnosed in several countries. There is limited human to human transmission. They are checking to see if anyone has a fever on planes now, but what if you come down with a fever two days after you arrive at your destination? Will it be reported? Were people infectious before they present with symptoms? Just what is the incubation period?

Keep a close eye on this one, everyone.
 

Burrito

Veteran Member
Hearing 3 confirmed here in Tianjin. 150 are being monitored and checked to see if what they have is the new virus....
more as I hear it.
 

Heliobas Disciple

TB Fanatic
I think there's a lot of hyped fear going on with this case of the British citizen in Thailand (Ash Shorley). They don't know yet if he has this coronavirus but the headlines are blasting it out as if he's already tested positive.

From post #4 on this thread, people started getting sick between Dec 12 and 29. Ash Shorley was visiting Thailand and got sick on Dec 26th. He had been there a week. Right now it is unknown if he stopped in China during that week, but from what his parents described of his planned trip, I think not (but they may not have known his day to day itinerary so I don't want to draw any firm conclusions).They don't have test result back yet showing he has this Chinese coronavirus and the doctors right now think there's a good chance he has some other virus that caused pneumonia.

That being said, if it comes back that he does test positive for this virus and he didn't go to China, the implications are indeed grave. That means it was already human to human transmission, outside China, weeks ago. And not some recent mutation. And that the incubation period from infection to full blown pneumonia is no more than a week, as he was only in Thailand for a week. So let's pray for this man's recovery, and also pray that he does not have this Chinese coronavirus.

From British tourisy feared to be first western victim of new Chinese virus
that's the hyperlink, this is the address, I had to put a space in so it wouldn't hyperlink:
https ://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-7906281/SARS-like-virus-spreads-China-nearly-140-new-cases.html

"All of the Chinese nationals had recently visited Wuhan, but it is not clear if Mr Shorley visited the city – home to 11million people – on his travels. "

Article about Ash Shorley

(fair use applies)

EMPHASIS MINE

VIRUS STRIKES British tourist fighting for life in Thailand feared to be first western victim of mystery Chinese coronavirus

Andy Jehring
20 Jan 2020, 0:48Updated: 20 Jan 2020, 12:06

A UK tourist fighting for his life in Thailand is feared to be the first western victim of the Chinese flu-like coronavirus.

Ash Shorley, 32, was rushed to hospital in Phuket after a pneumonia-style bug infected both lungs while he was on Koh Phi Phi island.

He had to be ferried by specialised seaplane because his damaged lungs could not cope with high altitude travel.

Doctors in Phuket found his symptoms are consistent with the Chinese coronavirus, whose spread has triggered fears of a pandemic.

More than 40 Chinese have officially contracted the illness with two deaths reported.

But it is feared the Chinese authorities are hiding the true scale of the problem.

Surgeons in Phuket inserted pipes into Ash’s back and drained 2kg of liquid from his collapsed lungs.

Parents Chris and Julie, both 55, are at his bedside.

Chris, of Thornton, Lancs, said: “He was two days from death.

We are now waiting on tests. It is very serious.”

Publisher Chris, added: “If he wasn’t so fit and healthy before he wouldn’t be with us now. They think he is the first Western victim of the Chinese flu, we are waiting on tests.

“Anyone travelling to Asia I would say to you, get a mask. Everyone here is wearing masks, there are people coughing everywhere.

“It’s Chinese New Year so this flu is likely to be spreading. It is very serious.”

Ash, who has appeared in Corrie and Hollyoaks, sold his house to travel round South East Asia for a fresh start after the breakdown of a long-term relationship before Christmas.

But one week after flying out on December 19 he had to check into hospital on Koh Phi Phi and medics dashed him to Phuket as his condition rapidly deteriorated.

Former veterinary receptionist Julie flew to be with him after he text after New Year’s to say they were putting tubes in him.

She arrived to find doctors struggling to save him and Chris said: “He was two days from death. They had to get him out as the doctors there didn’t know how to treat him.

“His insurers and the top doctor agreed to fly him by seaplane to Bumrungrad. He wasn’t able to go above a certain altitude because his lungs would pop.

“His lungs weren’t working, they had collapsed from the infection caused by pneumonia. They managed to get him here and if it wasn’t for the doctors’ expertise he would be dead by now.”

Ash’s temperature was fluctuating wildly as his body fought the pneumonia and surgeons had to wait for a window to operate and remove blockages in his lungs.

After a successful op his chances of survival have increased but the once fit and healthy 6ft 14stone actor and sales manager has dropped to nine stone.

Chris said: “If he survives it will take him over a year to recover. He’s as skinny as a rake. He was a seriously fit and strong guy before this, he loved his sport, but this has totally ravaged him.

Ash went to Thailand to rebuild, now he really is going to have to start over. This is totally life-changing for him.”

If you would like to donate to help Ash’s recovery and support his parents please visit here.
 

Heliobas Disciple

TB Fanatic
Here is the entire Daily Mail article I quoted from above. There's some outdated information, some hype, some severe downplaying of the risk, and some good info in this article. I miss the days when you just had good info in articles. :shk:

(fair use applies)

British tourist fighting for life in Thailand is feared to be first western victim of new Chinese coronavirus as third patient DIES and outbreak spreads to South Korea
By Connor Boyd and Vanessa Chalmers Health Reporter For Mailonline
Published: 20:55 EST, 19 January 2020 | Updated: 10:12 EST, 20 January 2020

  • Ash Shorley, 32, is in critical condition in a hospital in Phuket, Thailand
  • His lung infection is similar to the Chinese coronavirus, but is not confirmed
  • The unnamed novel virus has infected an estimated 1,700 in Wuhan, China
  • Authorities revealed the virus has spread to other cities in China this weekend
  • The total confirmed cases has tipped 200 and three have died
  • Four confirmed cases are outside China in Thailand, Japan, and South Korea

A British tourist fighting for his life in Thailand is feared to be the first Western victim of the coronavirus sweeping across China.

Ash Shorley, 32, is in critical condition in a hospital in Phuket after being struck down with a lung infection while visiting Koh Phi Phi island.

Mr Shorley had to be transported to hospital by a specialised seaplane because his lung had collapsed and he could not cope with high altitude travel.

Doctors revealed his symptoms were consistent with the Chinese coronavirus – but this has not yet been confirmed. He has been in hospital for nearly a month.

The unnamed SARS-like virus has killed three people and has infected an estimated 1,700 in Wuhan city since December, researchers fear.

Some 222 cases have been confirmed. Authorities today said the virus has spread across China, with five cases in Beijing, 14 in Shenzhen and one in Shanghai.

South Korea has also recorded a case today, making it the third country to diagnose the virus following Thailand and Japan last week.

The spike in cases comes just days before millions of Chinese nationals travel abroad for the Lunar New Year holidays, with airports across Asia and the US to screen travellers.

Chinese President Xi Jinping said saving lives was a top priority, adding that information about the disease was being released in a 'timely manner'.

Mr Shorley's parents Chris and Julie, from Thornton, Lancashire, have flown out to be by their son's bedside as tests are carried out.

The unnamed novel virus has infected an estimated 1,700 in Wuhan, China. Authorities said the virus had spread to other cities in China. The total confirmed cases has tipped 200 and three have died. Four confirmed cases are outside China in Thailand, Japan, and South Korea

Mr Shorley's father, 55, told The Sun: 'He was two days from death. If he wasn’t so fit, he wouldn’t be with us now. We are now waiting on tests. It is very serious.'

The publisher, from Lancashire, added: 'They [doctors] think he is the first Western victim of the Chinese flu, we are waiting on tests.'

Mr Shorley, who is as 'skinny as a rake', sold his house to travel round Asia following his break-up with his long-term partner before Christmas.

Mr Shorley, a sales manager and actor who has appeared in TV soaps Coronation Street and Hollyoaks, was struck down at the end of last month.

He is still in hospital after an operation to remove blockages in his lungs. It is unclear when his test results for coronavirus will come back.

His parents, who are being supported during their stay in Thailand with the help of a GoFundMe page, say he has lost 5st (70lbs/32kg).

Collapsed lungs can be caused by a build-up of pressure on the airways, including from an accumulation of fluid.

Experts say Mr Shorley's symptoms are similar with the coronavirus, but could also be a sign of many other respiratory infections.

Professor John Edmunds, of London School of Hygiene & Tropical Medicine, said: 'There is no evidence of any transmission of this virus in Thailand as yet.

'Hence, although it is possible that this is a case of the novel coronavirus, it would seem very unlikely.'


The coronavirus – which has never been seen before – was first discovered in the city of Wuhan in December.

There were 48 confirmed cases on Friday, but hundreds of infections were reported over the weekend because screening is now possible.

Now, 222 cases have been confirmed including three deaths, according to the World Health Organization (WHO).

However, there are growing fears that Chinese authorities are hiding the true scale of the outbreak, which has links to the deadly SARS virus.

An analysis from Imperial College London last week estimated the number of cases in Wuhan was probably around 1,700 – but could even be as high as 4,500.

A spokesperson for China's Ministry of Foreign Affairs said today the country had 'stuck to a serious, earnest and professional attitude' to prevent and control the outbreak.

They said they had 'carried out in-depth epidemiological investigation, released the information related to the control and treatment of the outbreak in time and actively spread related educational knowledge'.

President Xi Jinping commented on the outbreak for the first time on January 20. He said the country was releasing information 'in a timely manner' to ensure a 'peaceful Spring festival'.

'The recent outbreak of novel coronavirus pneumonia in Wuhan and other places must be taken seriously,' Mr Junping said, according to CCTV.

'Party committees, governments and relevant departments at all levels should put people’s lives and health first.'

South Korea confirmed its first case on January 20 after a 35-year-old woman arriving at Seoul’s Incheon airport tested positive for the virus. She had been in Wuhan last week.

Last week, one case was confirmed in Japan and two in Thailand, meaning the total number of confirmed cases outside of China now sits at four.

All of the Chinese nationals had recently visited Wuhan, but it is not clear if Mr Shorley visited the city – home to 11million people – on his travels.

China reported on January 20 the mysterious virus had spread across the country from Wuhan.

Five new cases were confirmed in Beijing. It was revealed by health authorities in Beijing's Daxing distract that two had travelled to Wuhan and were in a stable condition.

Fourteen in the Guangdong province had been confirmed, state television state reported, including a 66-year-old Shenzhen man who was quarantined on January 11 after contracting a fever and showing other symptoms.

He had visited relatives in Wuhan, the provincial health commission said. He is also in stable condition.

Shenzhen officials said another eight people were under medical observation.

'Experts believe that the current epidemic situation is still preventable and controllable,' the Guangdong health commission said.

Suspected cases have also cropped up in Sichuan, Yunnan, Shanghai, Guangxi and Shandong. Tests have yet to confirm the patients have the coronavirus.

Five other people have been put in isolation and tested in eastern Zhejiang province.

The majority of the infected patients in Wuhan were connected to Huanan Wholesale Seafood Market, suggesting meat or fish was the source of the virus.

However, two of the confirmed cases in Guangdong had never been to Wuhan. Their family members had and been struck down by the lung infection, suggesting human to human transmission.

Professor Zhong Nanshan, a renowned scientist at the national health commission who helped expose the scale of the 2003 outbreak of SARS, said human-to-human transmission is 'affirmative', according to state broadcaster CCTV.

Since cases have been identified outside the country, the WHO has warned hospitals worldwide to prepare for a potential global spread.

Fears are growing ahead of Lunar New Year, on January 25, which will see millions of Chinese citizens travelling abroad.

Wuhan authorities said they have installed infrared thermometers at airports, railway stations and coach stations across the city.

Passengers with fevers were being registered, given masks and taken to medical institutions.

Airports in Singapore, Hong Kong – where there have been suspected but no confirmed cases – Indonesia, Thailand, Japan and the US have also stepped up surveillance.

Temperature checks are being used for inbound travellers from the Chinese mainland, especially Wuhan. This is how the two cases in Thailand were discovered.

However, these measures rely on an infected person having symptoms at the time they travel.


Evidence suggests there is an average 10-day delay between a person becoming infected and detected. It takes up to six days for the symptoms to become apparent, and a further four or five for the person to be hospitalised.
[MY COMMENT: Ash was only in Thailand 7 days before he was sick enough to go to the hospital so it seems unlikely he has the disease as described.]

The UK is not on high alert. However, Public Health England and the National Travel Health Network and Centre have urged British tourists to China to practise good hygiene.

'Based on the available evidence, the current risk to the UK is very low,' Dr Nick Phin, the deputy director of the National Infection Service, said on January 20.

'We are working with the WHO and other international partners, have issued advice to the NHS and are keeping the situation under constant review.'

The coronavirus, which causes cold-like symptoms including a runny nose, headache, cough, sore throat and a fever, has never been seen before and has not yet been named.

Officials have described the virus in China, a tourist hotspot for some 595,000 British tourists each year, as 'novel'.

Tests have so far shown it is a new type of coronavirus from the same family as the deadly SARS pathogen which killed hundreds of people in China and Hong Kong in the early 2000s.

The first patient diagnosed with the novel strain, a 61-year-old man, died on January 9. The second death, a man known only as Xiong, died on January 15.

Both suffered other health problems, the former from abdominal tumours and chronic liver disease and the latter of severe cardiomyopathy – a heart condition, abnormal kidney function, and seriously damaged organs.

But it is not clear if these were complications of the virus or underlying conditions.

Details of the third death have not yet been revealed by officials.

The WHO said on Twitter on January 20 that 'an animal source seems the most likely primary source' with 'some limited human-to-human transmission occurring between close contacts'.

Although the genetic sequence of the strain has now been released, scientists are still questioning how deadly it is, and whether it can be spread between humans.

Scientists with the MRC Centre for Global Infectious Disease Analysis at Imperial College in London warned in a paper published Friday that the number of cases identified in Wuhan may be the 'tip of the iceberg'.

Researchers calculated cases could be as high as 4,500 in Wuhan city, and if this is the case, substantial human to human transmission can't be ruled out.

Chinese state media moved to calm the mood as discussion about the coronavirus spreading to other Chinese cities swelled on social media.

Nationalist tabloid Global Times called for better handling of the new virus than that of the 2003 SARS outbreak.


IS THE UK AT RISK?

There is 'very low' risk of the novel coronavirus reaching the UK, experts have said.

'Based on the available evidence, the current risk to the UK is very low,' Dr Nick Phin, the deputy director of the National Infection Service, said on January 20.

'We are working with the WHO and other international partners, have issued advice to the NHS and are keeping the situation under constant review.'

Over 595,000 British nationals visit mainland China every year, according to 2017 government statistics.

Despite it being unlikely for a person to return from China to the UK with the virus, tourists have been advised to take precautions while there, such as practicing good hand and personal hygiene and minimise contact with birds and animals in markets in Wuhan.

'People travelling to Wuhan should maintain good hand, respiratory and personal hygiene and should seek medical attention if they develop respiratory symptoms within 14 days of visiting the area,' Dr Phin said.

Dr Nathalie MacDermott, NIHR Academic Clinical Lecturer, King’s College London, said: 'The UK population currently is not exposed to the virus as there have not been any confirmed cases in the UK at present.

'However there is potential for exposure given the volume and frequency of international air travel and the potential for someone travelling from an affected region arriving in the UK prior to them developing symptoms.'
 

Old Gray Mare

TB Fanatic
While the deaths are tragic I think I'm seeing some good news not being reported. Skimming the articles I'm not seeing where they've nailed down how this wee beastie is transmitted human to human. So I'm making some assumptions. Please tell me if I'm wrong.

It's obvious that the disease is far from contained but we are not seeing huge numbers of new cases. Part of this maybe because outside of China, Korea and Japan healthcare providers may not be actively looking for it. Part may be that the incubation period is not known and neither is how long it can survive outside a host. It could also be being misdiagnosed.

The other thing is at the current moment, (have to post that 'cause these things can and do mutate) it doesn't appear to be airborne or there would probably be a lot more cases. That's some good news. That implies some type of direct or indirect contact. So possibly not highly communicable. This is another bit of good news.

Definitely needs to be researched, tracked and watched for.
 
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Garand

Veteran Member
China seems to be a lot more free with sharing information about this virus compared to previous years and similar viruses. Are they becoming a “good” country or are they just scared shitless about this?
 

Melodi

Disaster Cat
Remember gang, it isn't just Chinese "students" or anyone else you have to worry about it is people like this poor man who if he had been exposed but not sick yet, might in all innocence have gotten on a plane (infected most of the people on it) and/or gotten home to London or wherever and exposed the airport, his family, his neighbors, everyone on the street and the hospital staff before they figured out what was wrong.

This is the same guy, the first report had him in Korea but he seems to be in Thailand (unless of course there is more than one person which is also possible).

Lots of people go back "home" for New Years too, including a lot of old Chinese-American families like my Sister-in-Law married into - they are not going this year, but they have in the past.
 

Melodi

Disaster Cat
China seems to be a lot more free with sharing information about this virus compared to previous years and similar viruses. Are they becoming a “good” country or are they just scared shitless about this?
According to Nightwolf, they got racked over the coals in many ways when they tried to cover-up the original SARS virus outbreak a few years ago.

I think it was made very clear to them that perhaps they didn't realize it, but their very trade and business contacts with the West depending on their being more open about potential epidemic disease outbreaks otherwise they would simply be cut off in various ways.

I don't know all the details of the exact threats and neither does Nightwolf but it is pretty common knowledge in the Medical community (at least people who deal with epidemic disease) and whatever the warning was it seems to have "worked.

The folks on the ground obviously tried to keep this quiet for the first few days, but once the national government found out it was reported officially to the CDC and other organizations.

I still wouldn't believe for a moment that they are doing "full disclosure" but at least they are admitting to a growing problem and threat.
 

mzkitty

I give up.
Right now the death rate doesn’t seem to be above the common coronavirus that is in America every year.

I know, but trust me when I tell you I don't want to spend another freaking 5 days in the hospital again this year. That's why we moved to Florida. You don't know where or when this crap can get you. I don't know where I got mine last year; either the new bldg superintendent breathed on me or I got it at Wegmans. We hadn't been out much because the weather was so rotten. Blech

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2DEES

Inactive
I'm reaching WAAAY back here so bear with me. AS IRC the SARS virus in China was stopped due to spraying/cleaning everything with Colloidal Silver. The man who posted this ran a company that produced this product. The Chinese bought all they could get their hands on and even wanted him to move his operation there. He refused and wanted to stay in America. My point is, it MAY work again??? I make my own and about 10 years ago I started handing it out to other people I worked with who had the Flu. Within 24 hours their symptoms were less and on their way to recovery. In my own personal use sometimes I had to take a double dose. Each was a full glass of liquid. Colloidal Silver is supposed to be effective against 650 types of viruses. bacteria ,etc. Don't know if it will work but If someone I know becomes ill, will give it a try even if I have to sneak it into the hospital.

Many years ago I also subscribed to an e-mail alert which covered outbreaks world wide. Not WHO, CDC or any of those. I have gone through 3 computers and a lot of the info I collected was lost. Will do some more hunting but I'm doubtful it will turn up. Stay well and away from crowds if at all possible.

Don't take it as a preventative as too much and I mean a lot, your skin will turn blue.
 
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CaryC

Has No Life - Lives on TB
Reporting on Fox last night, so this may be up already:

There is human to human transmission. And they said easy transmission. Also 3 airports, which I think are SF, LA, and NY are screening passengers from China.
 

mzkitty

I give up.
Reporting on Fox last night, so this may be up already:

There is human to human transmission. And they said easy transmission. Also 3 airports, which I think are SF, LA, and NY are screening passengers from China.

I think I saw doctors in masks on planes this morning on Today as I woke up, checking people. It went by too fast.

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CaryC

Has No Life - Lives on TB
Also of note:

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Taiwan reports first case of new SARS-like virus

www.breitbart.com
1 min read
Taiwan reports first case of new SARS-like virus


Taipei (AFP) – Taiwan on Tuesday reported its first confirmed case of the new SARS-like coronavirus as the government warned the public against travelling to Chinese city where it emerged.

The patient is a Taiwanese woman in her fifties, living in Wuhan, who returned to the island on Monday with symptoms including fever, coughing and a sore throat.


Asian countries have ramped up measures to block the spread of the new virus as the death toll in China rose to six and the number of cases jumped to almost 300 since it first emerged in the central Chinese city of Wuhan.
The Taiwan patient reported her symptoms to quarantine officials on arrival at Taoyuan airport and was immediately taken to a hospital for treatment, said the island’s Centers for Disease Control (CDC).
The woman told officials that she had not visited any local markets or had contact with birds or wild animals while in Wuhan.
Authorities are monitoring some 46 passengers and crew from the same flight, the agency said.
The CDC raised its alert on Wuhan to the highest level, urging the public against travelling to the city unless necessary.
“We ask the public not to panic as the individual was taken to hospital directly from the airport and did not step into the community,” it said in a statement, adding that it reported the case to the World Health Organization and China authorities.
The coronavirus has spread to Thailand, Japan, South Korea and Taiwan.

read:Taiwan reports first case of new SARS-like virus - Breitbart

I'm probably behind the curve on this so it may be up already.
 

goosebeans

Veteran Member
Engineer was in Wuhan yesterday and today but he will be flying out of Beijing to Toronto then back to NC next week so this type of screening won't get everyone who has been in Wuhan. He went through 3 factories and interacted with dozens of factory workers on factory walk-thrus, although he is unlikely to have met someone sick, ya never know...

And of course he is only one of many Americans, Canadians and Europeans who are travelling there right now and will spread out through dozens of airports the next week or two.

I was in China during Chinese New Year w few years ago and it seemed EVERYONE travels during this coming up week. If it's contagious person 2 person I don't see how it won't spread.

Saw this NCGirl:

Precautionary Coronavirus Screening Initiated at Canadian Airports

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q5dJFVvxpAM
 

Garand

Veteran Member
I’m hearing on Fox that transmission is not easy, otherwise there would be more sick. I don’t know, maybe this is just the early stage and its gonna take off.
 

Reasonable Rascal

Veteran Member
I'm reaching WAAAY back here so bear with me. AS IRC the SARS virus in China was stopped due to spraying/cleaning everything with Colloidal Silver. The man who posted this ran a company that produced this product. The Chinese bought all they could get their hands on and even wanted him to move his operation there. He refused and wanted to stay in America. My point is, it MAY work again??? I make my own and about 10 years ago I started handing it out to other people I worked with who had the Flu. Within 24 hours their symptoms were less and on their way to recovery. In my own personal use sometimes I had to take a double dose. Each was a full glass of liquid. Colloidal Silver is supposed to be effective against 650 types of viruses. bacteria ,etc. Don't know if it will work but If someone I know becomes ill, will give it a try even if I have to sneak it into the hospital.

Many years ago I also subscribed to an e-mail alert which covered outbreaks world wide. Not WHO, CDC or any of those. I have gone through 3 computers and a lot of the info I collected was lost. Will do some more hunting but I'm doubtful it will turn up. Stay well and away from crowds if at all possible.

Don't take it as a preventative as too much and I mean a lot, your skin will turn blue.


First I have ever heard of this, and believe me, I would have sat up and taken notice if that were the case.

The RN I worked with in AZ who had come from Canada after SARS was a really big deal up there said it it was VERY strict isolation that allowed it to die a natural death due to the lack of human hosts after a while. They got to the point that if you carried a pen inside the quarantine area it stayed in there, even if it was a high dollar Meisterstuck.

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I'm reaching WAAAY back here so bear with me. AS IRC the SARS virus in China was stopped due to spraying/cleaning everything with Colloidal Silver. The man who posted this ran a company that produced this product. The Chinese bought all they could get their hands on and even wanted him to move his operation there. He refused and wanted to stay in America. My point is, it MAY work again??? I make my own and about 10 years ago I started handing it out to other people I worked with who had the Flu. Within 24 hours their symptoms were less and on their way to recovery. In my own personal use sometimes I had to take a double dose. Each was a full glass of liquid. Colloidal Silver is supposed to be effective against 650 types of viruses. bacteria ,etc. Don't know if it will work but If someone I know becomes ill, will give it a try even if I have to sneak it into the hospital.

Many years ago I also subscribed to an e-mail alert which covered outbreaks world wide. Not WHO, CDC or any of those. I have gone through 3 computers and a lot of the info I collected was lost. Will do some more hunting but I'm doubtful it will turn up. Stay well and away from crowds if at all possible.

Don't take it as a preventative as too much and I mean a lot, your skin will turn blue.

Good memory.
Francis Key and George Maass. Purest Colloids. Colloidal Silver | Purest Colloids Talk about a good product! this stuff is clean. They got the manufacturing process down right. This colloid is pharma grade as can be.

The Chinese tried it and it worked wonders with SARS. They bought pallets of the five gallon jugs from Frank. Then they wanted to buy the company as you stated. I guess he hates commies too like the rest of us.
The Chinese also ran the Mesosilver through a nebulizer in patients.

I do the same. A $50 bottle of Mesosilver and an inexpensive Omron nebulizer that can be found on Amazon for less than the Mesosilver. When used with a nebulizer and repeated and meaningful deep inhalation sessions, it works extremely well in stomping out lung, throat and nasal infections FAST. Will not interfere with other medications of any kind.

It's kept me out of the ER several times over the years. My doctors approve of it as well. They know.

Oh, and your skin will not turn blue. The nano size particles pass through the kidneys and expelled from the body. Go research the wealth of information at the site. I invite everyone to.
 

naturallysweet

Has No Life - Lives on TB
I don't have a link, but i just read they are testing someone in Washington state.

I'm in Oregon and very susceptible to lung illnesses. Not making me happy.
 

Pinecone

Has No Life - Lives on TB
I wonder if putting colloidal silver on a mask or even a bandanna around the face will do any good. Against flu or this corona virus. Because we'll run out of masks if this turns bad.
 

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As virus spreads, anxiety rises in China and overseas

Jan. 20, 2020 at 6:57 pm Updated Jan. 21, 2020 at 10:56 am


Staff in biohazard suits hold a metal stretcher by the in-patient department of Wuhan Medical Treatment Center, where some infected with a novel coronavirus are being treated, in Wuhan, China, Tuesday, Jan. 21, 2020. Heightened precautions were being taken in China and elsewhere Tuesday as governments strove to control the outbreak of the coronavirus, which threatens to grow during the Lunar New Year travel rush. (AP Photo/Dake Kang)




By
EMILY WANG
,
Yanan Wang
and
DAKE KANG

The Associated Press


WUHAN, China (AP) — Face masks sold out and officials at airports and train stations checked passengers for fevers as China on Tuesday sought to control the outbreak of a new virus that has reached four other countries and territories and threatens to spread further during the Lunar New Year travel rush.


Anxiety grew both at home and abroad after Chinese government expert Zhong Nanshan confirmed fears on state television late Monday that the new type of coronavirus can spread from human to human.


Six people have died and 291 have been infected in China, the National Health Commission said Tuesday.


The stock prices of some companies that sell masks rose Tuesday, but markets fell in much of Asia as investors worried about the potential impact on tourism and the economy.


Concerned about a global outbreak similar to SARS, another coronavirus that spread from China to more than a dozen countries in 2002-2003, numerous nations have adopted screening measures for travelers from China, especially those arriving from Wuhan, the central city where the virus appears to have originated.


Guards at Wuhan’s airport pointed electronic thermometers at travelers. Several online retailers were sold out of masks, which were being sold for more than 10 times their original price. Users of the popular Weibo social media platform urged others to wash their hands and stay home.



Outside the Wuhan Medical Treatment Center, where many of the coronavirus patients are receiving care, several workers were dressed in full-body biohazard suits, supplemented by goggles, masks and plastic wrapped around their shoes.




While many wore masks in Wuhan, streets were far from deserted and people appeared to be carrying on with their regular activities.




“I’m not that worried,” said Helen Cao, a Wuhan resident who was shopping on a downtown avenue lined with stores and full of pedestrians. Like many in the city, she began wearing a mask after hearing Zhong’s assessment of human-to-human transmission.


“Maybe people from other places are more concerned about our health, but (Wuhan) locals actually are continuing to eat, go out and take strolls, go clubbing at night,” Cao said. “Everything’s very normal, everyone’s just wearing masks, nothing more.”


Initial symptoms of the new coronavirus include fever, cough, tightness of the chest and shortness of breath.


The first cases late last month were connected to a seafood market, and transmission was thought to be occurring from animals to humans. Authorities previously had not confirmed human-to-human transmission.



In addition to 258 cases in Wuhan, more than 20 have been diagnosed in Beijing, Shanghai, Guangdong province in the south and Zhejiang in the east. Four cases have been confirmed overseas among Chinese travelers in South Korea, Japan and Thailand. A Taiwanese businesswoman who just returned from Wuhan tested positive for the virus, Taiwan’s Centers for Disease Control reported Tuesday.


Fifteen medical workers have also tested positive for the virus, the Wuhan Municipal Health Commission said.




Two cases in Guangdong were people who had not visited Wuhan but fell ill after family members returned from there. Zhong cited those as evidence the disease had spread between humans.





Australia, Japan, South Korea and the U.S. were among the countries increasing airport screenings. Three weekly direct flights from Wuhan to Sydney will be met by border security and biosecurity staff for assessments, chief Australian medical officer Brendan Murphy told reporters.




“Please take every possible precaution,” Japanese Prime Minister Shinzo Abe instructed the health minister and other government departments.




The coronavirus family includes those that cause the common cold, but some found in bats, camels and other animals have evolved into more severe illnesses like SARS, or severe acute respiratory syndrome, and MERS, Middle East respiratory syndrome.



The possibility the virus can be transmitted between people increases the chances it could spread faster and more widely. The Chinese government has estimated people will make around 3 billion trips during the Lunar New Year travel season, but some social media users have said they may stay home due to concern about the virus.


In his first public remarks on the illness, Chinese President Xi Jinping instructed government departments to promptly release information on the virus and deepen international cooperation.




When SARS began infecting people in southern China, the Chinese government initially tried to conceal the severity of the epidemic, which ended up killing nearly 800 people. The cover-up was exposed by a high-ranking physician.
 
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