RACE LA County Supervisor: the US need to give back 'stolen' land to black families (OP April 2021)

lonestar09

Veteran Member
That was antiwhite antiTrumpers opposing that land being used to build border wall, right?
Anti-Trumpers yes, not sure now since it was Biden's gov that ended up taking the land. Niw the land where the private wall was built is owned by a white guy. The land appraisal was massively jacked up in price recently. I do not know the outcome of that situation and am waiting to see what happens. There are both white and Mexican property owners with cases against the government in court now.
 

night driver

ESFP adrift in INTJ sea
Yup. Also lesser known Germans in both WW1, and WW2, and Italians during WW2. Heck Hedy Lamarr got screwed out of patent royalties by the Feds because she was an "enemy alien", an Austrian Jew.
I had Italian family spend time in camps EARLY ON during WW2, until someone discovered the skills which were NEEDED. Though Dad's most useful skill was as a 4th for golf with the 2 and 3 stars...

That and doing physical reconditioning for guys who actually survived the Bataan March.

AND exercising the nurses.
 

packyderms_wife

Neither here nor there.
and what of all the land stolen from all other races in the eminent domain section?

it isn't a black thing. it is a gov bending everyone over equally.

Since this is California in the OP what about all of the asians who had their land/businesses stolen from them by the state and federal gov'ts back in the 40's? What about all of the NA's who had their lands stolen from them?
 

packyderms_wife

Neither here nor there.
Yup. Also lesser known Germans in both WW1, and WW2, and Italians during WW2. Heck Hedy Lamarr got screwed out of patent royalties by the Feds because she was an "enemy alien", an Austrian Jew.


Shhhhh we're not supposed to mention these facts.

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privatemom

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It never goes the other way...does it? My grandparents/uncles/other friends and family all had to lament back in the day...having to move out of THEIR neighborhoods because of crime brought in by the Amish. All residential and commercial buildings that were a sight to behold...essentially stolen from them and are now mostly ghetto hoods. All right by public transportation...all right by the major expressways (you know, areas that would be great for people that worked) What recourse do THEY get? This was some classic architecture, now mostly ruined and burned out...OH...and I might say...most of which was built by the same white-folk that lived in them. AARGH. Examples below of some of the few restored properties of what I'm referring to:

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My south side neighborhood is exactly as you have described. I cannot go back to the neighborhood I grew up in and expect to walk out alive. Makes me sick!
 

Ractivist

Pride comes before the fall.....Pride month ended.
But, what about Detroit. Perhaps give it to them...............throw in calumet N south side of Chicago, rent free. Sure, throw in flint too.
 

marsh

On TB every waking moment
Since this is California in the OP what about all of the asians who had their land/businesses stolen from them by the state and federal gov'ts back in the 40's? What about all of the NA's who had their lands stolen from them?
In CA, the aboriginal title was extinguished under Spain/Mexico. There have been two court cases and it was ruled against the CA NA, although nominal settlements were paid out without affirming any liability.

As I understand it, under the social justice aspects of Biden's infrastructure Bill, ethnic neighborhoods that were bisected by a freeway will be restored and the highway re-routed around them.
 

Macgyver

Has No Life - Lives on TB

Black family sold Bruce's Beach back to LA county for $20 Million​

Los Angeles County, for $20million, will buy back a prime beachfront piece of property from the descendants of the black couple from whom the land was forcibly taken a century ago and returned just last year.
In a July ceremony, descendants of Willa and Charles Bruce were handed the deed to Bruce's Beach, about 20 miles south of LA.

His great-great-grandparents Willa and Charles Bruce bought the Manhattan Beach plot in 1912, only to have it improperly seized by the city in 1924 after a racist pressure campaign.
Direct descendants of Willa and Charles have now made the decision to sell the land back to the county for nearly $20million.


The chair of the Los Angeles County Board of Supervisors, Janice Hahn, said in a Tuesday statement, 'This fight has always been about what is best for the Bruce family, and they feel what is best for them is selling this property back to the county for nearly $20 million and finally rebuilding the generational wealth they were denied for nearly a century.'
A spokesperson for Hahn said that the Bruce family is not planning on releasing a statement regarding the sale.

Bruce Beach is made up of two lots of land with valuable beachfront views in Manhattan Beach, an upscale Los Angeles community that to this day remains less than 1 percent black.
It was first purchased by the Bruces between 1912 and 1920 and was the site where they subsequently built a beach resort for members of the black community, who were barred from using most white beach clubs at the time.
The resort was a success but was one of several owned by black landowners that were seized by Manhattan Beach authorities in the 1920s after white residents complained of their presence.

Following the racial unrest that followed George Floyd's death in 2020 and the subsequent reigniting of the Black Lives Matter movement, the Manhattan Beach City Council assembled a task force that ultimately recommended the county return the land to the Bruce family.
In 2022, the land was leased back to descendants of the Bruce family, with an option to sell the land back to the county for its market value.
Prior to its resale, the land was owned by brothers Marcus and Derrick Bruce as well as Derrick's sons, Anthony and Michael.

At the time the deal was struck, Anthony - who currently resides in Florida with his wife Sandra Bruce - said that the initial seizure of the land 'destroyed' his great-great-grandparents financially.
'It destroyed their chance at the American Dream. I wish they could see what has happened today,' he said.
The July ceremony marked the first time a government entity had even returned wrongfully seized land from a family of African Americans.

During a speech he gave that day, Anthony said, 'It's surreal, and it's almost like being transported to the other side of the known universe.'
'I want to remain level-headed about the entire thing. I want to make sure I don't lose focus as to what Charles and Willa's dream was. The dream was to just have an America where they could thrive and have their American business thrive.'
Without God, we would not be here today. And finally, thank you all. God bless,' he concluded.



'This is what reparations look like and it is a model that I hope government across the country will follow,' she said.
One significant note regarding the family's sale of the land is that a recently passed California Senate bill would exempt the family from most taxes pertaining to the sale of the land.
In July, Anthony Bruce said the seizure of the property 'destroyed their (Willa and Charles Bruce's) chance at the American Dream. I wish they could see what has happened today.'


In July, Anthony Bruce said the seizure of the property 'destroyed their (Willa and Charles Bruce's) chance at the American Dream. I wish they could see what has happened today.'
Some weighed in on the news breaking of the family opting to sell the land back to the county to say they are disappointed in the decision.

R&B singer Irv Sullivan tweeted that he was disappointed the Bruces were 'selling Bruce's Beach back to LA so soon.'
A Twitter account called Beagrrrl wrote, 'Bruce family to sell its Bruce's Beach property back to LA County for $20 million. Seems low, but what do I know?'
The median price for a house in Manhattan Beach in the fall of 2022 was $2.6million, according to Redfin data.

Key dates in battle for Bruce's Beach​

1912 - Willa and Charles Bruce, who moved to California from New Mexico, buy a beachfront plot of land in Manhattan Beach. She had purchased for $1,225 the first of two lots along the Strand between 26th and 27th streets. They open up a resort.
1924 - Manhattan Beach city council orders the Bruces sell, via eminent domain. They say they need to build a park. The Bruces challenge it in court, but lose. The city paid them $14,500 - a fraction of the land's $70,000 value at the time - and they left their beach and lost their business.
1931 - Charles Bruce died at the age of 69.
1934 - Willa Bruce died at the age of 71.
1950s - The area had sat empty for decades, but the city council began to realize that questions might be asked unless the park, for which the land was supposedly taken, was not built. They create City Park, later renamed Beachfront, then Bayview Terrace Park. In 1974, it was named after a sister city in Mexico, Parque Culiacan.
2006 - Amid a growing interest in the history of the area, the city council voted 3-2 to rename the beach after the Bruce family — largely because of an appeal by Councilman Mitch Ward, the city's first black elected official.
2017 - Kavon Ward moves to the area and hears the story of Bruce's Beach. She begins campaigning to hand it back to the original owners.
2018 - A Bruce family reunion is held at the beach, with around 150 people attending.
2021 - California's governor Gavin Newsom signs into law SB 796, a bill to return the Manhattan Beach land to descendants of its original owners.
June 28, 2022 - Los Angeles County Board of Supervisors votes unanimously in favor of formally returning the land to the Bruce family
January 3, 2023 - It is announced that heirs of the Bruces will sell the land back to Los Angeles County for nearly $20million
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mecoastie

Veteran Member
If I was a descendant of any of the other owners whos land was taken I would be suing the city.

Makes me laugh that they sold it right back. All about the cash and I dont blame them. Seems like is some SJW that wanted them to get it back and not the family.
 

hiwall

Has No Life - Lives on TB
Thank goodness they are righting the wrongs of the past.
I will be busy researching my family's past looking hard for injustice.
 

TheSearcher

Are you sure about that?
I believe if anyone is given land it should be the AMERICAN INDIEN.

They are to small a voting block.

I could say more but I what.
But then, who do the indians give the land back to? Science is showing that what we call Indians were not the first humans on the continent, so they displaced an earlier race.

I do actually feel badly for the people who had their land burgled by ED, and it MAY have been a racial thing. But it was a century ago, the people living and working there now should not be punished for others' very old sins.

There is one common denominator - in both cases the government intends theft under the color of law. That's the REAL issue.
 

Dennis Olson

Chief Curmudgeon
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If I was a descendant of any of the other owners whos land was taken I would be suing the city.

Makes me laugh that they sold it right back. All about the cash and I dont blame them. Seems like is some SJW that wanted them to get it back and not the family.
Would you, as a working class person, want to pay the annual property taxes? Use your head for gawd’s sake.
 

TKO

Veteran Member
Bolding within the article is mine. Opening Pandora's Box...

Link: LA County Supervisor says the US needs to give 'stolen' land back to black families | Daily Mail Online

'We stole it': LA County Supervisor demands land taken from black people across the US is given to their descendants after she handed $72m property to relatives of family forced out a century ago
  • Janice Hahn, LA County Supervisor, on Friday urged other local governments to follow her lead
  • On April 9 Los Angeles County officials announced seaside land was being returned to descendants of a black couple, Charles and Willa Bruce
  • The Bruces bought land on Manhattan Beach in 1912 and opened a resort along a then-undeveloped stretch
  • In 1924 city officials seized two dozen properties through eminent domain and said that a park would be built
  • The Bruces fought the city in court, lost, and left the area: the proposed park was not built for decades
  • The family are yet to say what they will do with the land, which some estimate is worth around $72m
By HARRIET ALEXANDER FOR DAILYMAIL.COM

PUBLISHED: 22:13 EDT, 23 April 2021 | UPDATED: 04:02 EDT, 24 April 2021

The United States should follow the example of Los Angeles County and 'make amends' with black Americans by returning land which was owned by their ancestors and taken from them, the county supervisor has said.

Janice Hahn on April 9 announced a historic first for the nation, giving back land wrongfully taken from black owners to their descendants.


The land in question, a beachfront plot in Manhattan Beach, Los Angeles, was taken from the owners under eminent domain, or forced sale, in 1924. It is now worth an estimated $72 million.

Hahn on Friday told TMZ that other local governments should follow her lead.

'I think this is the first time in our nation that a government has given land back to an African American family to make amends for past discrimination and atrocities and policies that were enacted, that really limited African Americans' ability to own businesses, to own property, to even buy homes in certain neighborhoods,' she said.

'This is a very small step towards what I think this whole country should be doing - and that is working to repair and to make amends with the African Americans in this country.'

Hahn further said that a widespread apology was necessary for the historic wrongs.

'We as a collective society should apologize - not just to African Americans, but to indigenous Americans,' she said.


'There are a lot of people we should probably apologize to for how we literally stole land for public benefit.'

Hahn said that, despite growing up in Los Angeles County, she was unaware of the story in her own community.

'I learnt to swim in the ocean a couple of blocks from this lot, and I never knew this story,' she said.

'I always thought the atrocities against African Americans happened in the South.

'Because I grew up in LA, we never saw drinking fountains that were labelled colored or white, so I felt like we in LA County sort of escaped some of those horrible injustices that were inflicted on African Americans in our country.'

She then discovered, around a year ago, that 'we had this story right here in our back yard, in Manhattan Beach.'

She added: 'When I looked at the plot map and realized that through a series of land transfers, the property that was the original Bruces' Beach resort was now owned by the county of Los Angeles, I knew in my heart there was only one thing to do, and that was to figure out how to give the land back.'

Los Angeles County now plans to return prime beachfront property to descendants of the black couple, Willa and Charles Bruce, who built a seaside resort for African Americans.

The story of the Bruce family caught the eye of a Los Angeles county supervisor who earlier this year started looking into what could be done to make things right, according to ABC.

Advocates and others had for years been telling the story of the Bruce family - and the remaining members of the family itself had been speaking out over what they saw as the injustice.

The Bruces and their son, Harvey, came from New Mexico during the early 1900s and were among the first black people to settle in what would become the city of Manhattan Beach.

The city of Manhattan Beach issued a statement acknowledging and condemning its city's actions from the early 20th century - but the statement stopped short of a formal apology.

The site, known as Bruce Beach, now has a county lifeguard training headquarters building on the property. It is along some of the most coveted coastline in Southern California.

The property encompasses two parcels purchased in 1912 by the Bruces, who built the first West Coast resort for black people at a time when segregation barred them from many beaches.

They built a lodge, café, dance hall and dressing tents with bathing suits for rent.

Initially it was known as Bruce's Lodge.

'Bruce's Beach became a place where black families traveled from far and wide to be able to enjoy the simple pleasure of a day at the beach,' Hahn said.

It did not last long.

The Bruces and their customers were harassed by white neighbors, and the Ku Klux Klan attempted to burn it down.

Charles Bruce was often out of town, working as a dining car chef on trains to Salt Lake City, so it was Willa Bruce who bought the property and handled much of the business at the resort.

She had purchased for $1,225 the first of two lots along the Strand between 26th and 27th streets.

'Wherever we have tried to buy land for a beach resort, we have been refused,' she told The Los Angeles Times in 1912.

'But I own this land and I am going to keep it.'

The Manhattan Beach City Council finally used eminent domain to take the land away from the Bruces in the 1920s, purportedly for use as a park.

Eminent domain is when a government body takes private land for public use - oftentimes to build infrastructure like a highway.

The Bruces fought the eminent domain order in court, but lost their case. The city paid them $14,500, and they left their beach and lost their business.

'The Bruces had their California dream stolen from them,' said Hahn, announcing the news at an April 9 press conference.

'And this was an injustice inflicted not just upon Willa and Charles Bruce but generations of their descendants who almost certainly would have been millionaires if they had been able to keep this property and their successful business.'

The value of the property has not been assessed, officials said.

However, homes along the sea front, known as The Strand, regularly sell for around $20 million.

One blog estimated that the land alone was worth $72 million.

The family are yet to say whether they will sell it for developers, or keep it in the family.

A return of the land could include an option for the Bruce descendants to lease the land back to the county for continued use.

Their case aroused anger. Members of the NAACP participated in a 'swim-in' to assert their right to the sea in 1927, and several black beachgoers were arrested that year.

One of their descendants, Anthony Bruce, 38, said it was time to correct a historic wrong.

'I just want justice for my family,' he told The New York Times.

He now lives in Florida and has childhood memories of visiting the California land his relatives once owned.

Another descendant described the 1920s decision as a 'scar' on his family.

'What we want is restoration of our land to us, and restitution for the loss of revenues,' said Duane Yellow Feather Shepard, 69, a relative of the Bruces who lives in Los Angeles and is a chief of the Pocasset Wampanoag Tribe of the Pokanoket Nation.

'It's been a scar on the family, financially and emotionally.'

Both descendants told the paper that the issue was about more than just their family.

'We've been stripped of any type of legacy, and we're not the only family that this has happened to,' said Shepard. 'It's happened all over the United States.'

The Bruce's Beach decision comes at a time some see as a reckoning in relation to land rights.

Last month Evanston in Illinois became the first city to announce it would pay reparations to black homeowners, in recognition of the horrors of slavery.

After lying unused for years, the land was transferred to the state of California in 1948 and in 1995 it was transferred to Los Angeles County for beach operations and maintenance.

The last transfer came with restrictions that limit the ability to sell or transfer the property and can only be lifted through a new state law, Hahn said.

State Senator Steven Bradford said that he will introduce legislation, SB 796, that would exempt the land from those restrictions.

'After so many years we will right this injustice,' he said.

If the law passes, the transfer to the descendants would have to be approved by the county's five-member Board of Supervisors, said Liz Odendahl, Hahn's director of communications.

Manhattan Beach is now an affluent city of about 35,000 people within Los Angeles County on the south shore of Santa Monica Bay.

Its picturesque pier juts into swells prized by surfers, and luxury residences have replaced many of the beach houses along an oceanfront walk called The Strand.

According to Census data, its population is 78 per cent white and 0.5 per cent black.

The current City Council this week formally acknowledged and condemned city leaders' efforts in the early 20th century to displace the Bruces and several other black families, but stopped short of formally apologizing, Southern California News Group reported.

'We offer this Acknowledgement and Condemnation as a foundational act for Manhattan Beach's next one hundred years,' a document approved by the council says.

'And the actions we will take together, to the best of our abilities, in deeds and in words, to reject prejudice and hate and promote respect and inclusion.'

A hill rising steeply behind the beachfront property has a beach parking lot and above that is an ocean-view city park that was renamed Bruce's Beach in 2006.

The lot and park were not part of the Bruces' property and would not be part of a transfer to the family, Odendahl said.
Eminent Domain knows no race. Just land. The city wants it, they get it regardless of your color.
 

Countrymouse

Country exile in the city
My Cherokee, Navaho, and Sioux ancestors were here before the Africans, so .... sorry, if you're giving out stolen land, I'll take all north Georgia around Blue Ridge, thank you.............
 

Double_A

TB Fanatic
The WEF org thinks no individual should OWN any land. Only governments should own land.

Calif laws are trending that way. Parent's homes going to the state after death because you have limited options. A family member can reside in the parent's home. But if the kids want to rent if out, Property taxes zoom up to current levels doubling or tripling try to make a profitable rental after that. Or you can sell the family home to the state.
 

Griz3752

Retired, practising Curmudgeon
Hmmm

Look for Ms Hahn to make a play for a Dem nomination in a 2024 Federal race. I'm betting such a move will be in a heavily coloured district.

Just a thought but. I'm going to keep an eye on her. She might want another seat at the Federal Trough.
 

packyderms_wife

Neither here nor there.
Mean spirited when they marched my family from the south to Oklahoma, too. I won't draw a dime of reparations, though.

My family got carted of to New Orleans from Nova Scotia and then got carted off to Newfoundland after some time. And yeah I don't draw a dime of reparations either.
 

33dInd

Veteran Member
Mean spirited when they marched my family from the south to Oklahoma, too. I won't draw a dime of reparations, though.
And
Oklahoma wasn’t inhabited by others
This state was so uninhabited they had to force yours and my ancestors here at point of bayonet
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WildDaisy

God has a plan, Trust it!
I agree but instead of just blacks, dont be racially motivated and do this for ALL people whom have lost their property due to eminent domain that was never used for REAL pubic purposes.

Eminent domain was meant for highways, hospitals, schools, railroad, utilities or police or fire departments. It wasnt meant to steal property to build a hotel or casino or private businesses.
 

zeker

Has No Life - Lives on TB
"The United States should follow the example of Los Angeles County and 'make amends' with black Americans by returning land which was owned by their ancestors and taken from them, the county supervisor has said.":shk:

that goes for ANY color folks too? :shr:

prolly not.

lotsa whites, and indians, and chinese,etc, lost property to immenant domain.
 

Thunderdragon

Senior Member
I don’t know…look at the pic of the original couple who bought it…prob not 51% even…they kind of look mixed race. They came from…New Mexico. The lady has to be Hispanic mix. The dude..looks like a white guy with a dark tan..Wonder if there are pics of the 150 ancestors on the site For their reunion. They prob told some of them not to come…
 
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ainitfunny

Saved, to glorify God.
EMINANT DOMAIN took our first house, in Detroit, that my dad had bought, when I was six.
It was a nice big house.
We could only afford, with the proceeds, a 4 room, two bedroom terrible condition, uninsulated (in Michigan) house on 28 acres. ( Land was cheap then ) , out in farm country.
I froze every winter there.
Dad commuted (60 miles one way) every day to work at the auto factory.
I wouldn't SAY we were poor, but I remember PLASTIC CURTAINS from the dime store,
NO COMMENT.
 
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Double_A

TB Fanatic
EMINANT DOMAIN took our first house, in Detroit, that my dad had bought, when I was six.
It was a nice big house.
We could only afford, with the proceeds, a 4 room, two bedroom terrible condition, uninsulated (in Michigan) house on 28 acres. ( Land was cheap then ) , out in farm country.
I froze every winter there.
Dad commuted (60 miles one way) every day to work at the auto factory.
I wouldn't SAY we were poor, but I remember PLASTIC CURTAINS from the dime store,
NO COMMENT.

What your home/land used for after it was taken? A Park? New Fire station?
 
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