Solar Kill shot CME last night would have taken grid out if Earth facing
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Samuel Adams
Has No Life - Lives on TB
Sure thing.
Allow me to demonstrate.
About 5 min.
Unless you have the stomach for watching Nicholas Cage grimace/scowl into the camera with forced melodrama while driving slowly through a general collapse of society, best skip to about the 2:50 mark......
View: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=8DxnCdqt3mw
ETA.....and, for crying out loud, STOP GLOBAL WARMING, NOW !!!
Allow me to demonstrate.
About 5 min.
Unless you have the stomach for watching Nicholas Cage grimace/scowl into the camera with forced melodrama while driving slowly through a general collapse of society, best skip to about the 2:50 mark......
ETA.....and, for crying out loud, STOP GLOBAL WARMING, NOW !!!
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Jubilee on Earth
Veteran Member
That was a great movie!
Samuel Adams
Has No Life - Lives on TB
Only seen the previews, but they look interesting, for sure.
I was sick yesterday and just watched it. Good Movie.
This movie is actually free on youtube at the moment. you have to watch a couple of ads at the beginning but otherwise....
FULL MOVIE
Somehow, mother nature always seems to have a workaround for man's best plans.
Samuel Adams
Has No Life - Lives on TB
Thank God.
No......seriously........
No......seriously........
Melodi
Disaster Cat
Giant Solar Flares are like big rocks from the sky, eventually, some will hit the Earth - most will be minor, a few like the one that took out power in Quebec and the nearby areas are sort of medium and affect a local area and sooner or later there will be another Carrington Event or a Tunguska Forest Crash (or larger) of a big rock.
The difference is that while crashes from asteroids will affect anyone too close to them, in the past the solar flares didn't mean much to human beings. Or sure, some of them probably did start massive fires or other issues but it was nothing people could see or connect to outer space.
By the 1840s, the telegraph was already the canary in the coal mine of human technology and suddenly severe solar flares could be seen (that was seen, but there wasn't really time to respond). But while only a few (possibly just one) astronomers saw the flare in his telescope, everyone on the ground near a telegraph line could see the fires starting, the sparking, the fallen lines, etc.
Today, basically a really large flare will simply fry most technology on whichever side of the world it hits, hopefully, it will be smaller and only in one geographical location but there is no way to be sure of that.
But this is one of the sorts of "TEOTWAWKI" type scenario that you can be aware of, some people may take some precautions for (aka same as for EMP, put some things in a metal can or other faraday cage or have a meeting point for the family if communications go down) but really there isn't much to be done otherwise except the usual prepping.
Like Big Space Rocks, these can and do happen, but we almost never know when exactly or how. Even a number of space rocks can still come out of "nowhere" even with all the Earth-based monitoring, there are areas that are basically "dark" when it comes to tracking.
There are just some sorts of disasters you just have to hope won't happen but there is a limited amount of things you can do about them.
Note: in SM Sterling's excellent change books, a number of the folks in the early days after "The Change" (when most technology stops working) believe they have been hit by an EMP - solar most likely or perhaps an attack. Most of these are military people because the books start in the late 1990s, but I already knew about them and that's exactly what I would have thought happened too (until proven otherwise when the gun powder didn't work either).
The difference is that while crashes from asteroids will affect anyone too close to them, in the past the solar flares didn't mean much to human beings. Or sure, some of them probably did start massive fires or other issues but it was nothing people could see or connect to outer space.
By the 1840s, the telegraph was already the canary in the coal mine of human technology and suddenly severe solar flares could be seen (that was seen, but there wasn't really time to respond). But while only a few (possibly just one) astronomers saw the flare in his telescope, everyone on the ground near a telegraph line could see the fires starting, the sparking, the fallen lines, etc.
Today, basically a really large flare will simply fry most technology on whichever side of the world it hits, hopefully, it will be smaller and only in one geographical location but there is no way to be sure of that.
But this is one of the sorts of "TEOTWAWKI" type scenario that you can be aware of, some people may take some precautions for (aka same as for EMP, put some things in a metal can or other faraday cage or have a meeting point for the family if communications go down) but really there isn't much to be done otherwise except the usual prepping.
Like Big Space Rocks, these can and do happen, but we almost never know when exactly or how. Even a number of space rocks can still come out of "nowhere" even with all the Earth-based monitoring, there are areas that are basically "dark" when it comes to tracking.
There are just some sorts of disasters you just have to hope won't happen but there is a limited amount of things you can do about them.
Note: in SM Sterling's excellent change books, a number of the folks in the early days after "The Change" (when most technology stops working) believe they have been hit by an EMP - solar most likely or perhaps an attack. Most of these are military people because the books start in the late 1990s, but I already knew about them and that's exactly what I would have thought happened too (until proven otherwise when the gun powder didn't work either).
Tom McDowell
BAMN
Walrus Whisperer
Hope in chains...
The west is so dry it would be an ELE out here. (Extinction Level Event) The smoke alone would probably affect the entire northern hemisphere.
Fairwillows
Where I am supposed to be.
Information recently says this is not true. According to some educated researchers, plasma discharges and similar events are represented and described in many ancient cave paintings and petroglyphs as events significant enough to document them as best as they could.
von Koehler
Has No Life - Lives on TB
I watched this movie when it first came out at a movie theater. The original ending was more impressive in the alien space craft scene was much longer and inspiring.
However the film got a lot of flack in that evangelicals thought it appeared too "angel like" so it was edited way down.
However the film got a lot of flack in that evangelicals thought it appeared too "angel like" so it was edited way down.
Melodi
Disaster Cat
Super Novas and some extremely large solar flares may have been seen and are most certainly recorded in rock art but what I meant was that in general, people didn't associate say a sudden fire with a solar flare that most of the time they didn't even see.
Since there were only tiny amounts of electricity about (that we know of) like the Bagdad battery, most people probably didn't connect the two events even if they saw something strange in the sky. Simply because most technology of the day would not have been affected or not nearly as affected as it would be today, or even was in the 1840s.
packyderms_wife
Neither here nor there.
Only if you think Earth's magnetosphere works just during daylight hours. Again, solar storms are not restricted to line-of-sight. They interact with the magnetosphere and the magnetic poles, and I assure you that all of those do work in the dark and the light.
Everyone keeps talking about the Carrington Event as if that's the only solar storm worth talking about from the last few hundred years. In fact there have been two additional large storms (albeit not as big as the Carrington Event but nonetheless still very significant) that hit when we actually had an electrical infrastructure to worry about: in May 1921 and in March 1989. Some may still remember when pretty much the entire province of Quebec went dark in 1989 as a result of a solar storm, and perhaps of great relevance is the Quebec damage was restored in just nine hours. Wikipedia says the 1921 event was much larger than the 1989 event, although of course the electrical infrastructure wasn't as widespread then. In any case, I don't recall reading how humanity rebooted its collective brain or resorted to cannibalism in either 1921 or 1989.
May 1921 geomagnetic storm - Wikipedia
March 1989 geomagnetic storm - Wikipedia
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Knight_Loring
Veteran Member
In actuality concerning the various power grids around the planet, the biggest threat from plasma discharges from the sun, is to power transformers. These transformers are large and are NOT readily available for replacement.
The windings of power transformers are typically Wye connected (meaning all windings are connected to a single connection point at one end of the winding) and the single connection point is tied to Ground through a ground cable. The suns plasma discharges when pointed at earth can and will cause a rise in ground current, which if strong enough, can damage transformer windings enough to render it useless (fries the windings). That is the danger...a spike in ground current through the grounded wire of transformers.
There is history of this happening in modern day (past 15-20) years, in Canada. But did not cause permanent damage to those transformers, they were tripped off line, presumably the plasma discharges at the time were not strong but were a direct hit to I believe it was eastern Canada.
The windings of power transformers are typically Wye connected (meaning all windings are connected to a single connection point at one end of the winding) and the single connection point is tied to Ground through a ground cable. The suns plasma discharges when pointed at earth can and will cause a rise in ground current, which if strong enough, can damage transformer windings enough to render it useless (fries the windings). That is the danger...a spike in ground current through the grounded wire of transformers.
There is history of this happening in modern day (past 15-20) years, in Canada. But did not cause permanent damage to those transformers, they were tripped off line, presumably the plasma discharges at the time were not strong but were a direct hit to I believe it was eastern Canada.
packyderms_wife
Neither here nor there.
Disagree! If such events were meaningless to humans then why did they hide inside of mountains, etc., for close to a thousand years? It's because the Sun was pelting the earth with dangerous solar flares and radiation.
A full direct hit of a large CME will "Bounce" the magnetosphere that surrounds the earth. This moves around the magnetic fields making large currents in wires. The currents overwhelm the ability of transformers to maintain a proper waveform causing safety shutdowns to pop, wires to burn out. If a couple of transformers burn out, it puts higher load on the remaining and can lead to a cascading failure. If several smoke, it will cause a failure.
It is not an all or nothing situation so we could get partial destruction from a glancing hit, minor changes in the accuracy of GPS from a weaker hit, or the full monty reducing human populations by 90-95% in a year or two.
Melodi
Disaster Cat
OK, I was referring to more recent (like last 8,000 years) of history, there are some signs in very ancient rock art: Hopi/Anasazi, Australia, and a few other places that suggest SOMETHING came from the sky.
But like Gram Hancock's theory of great comet strikes or other theories about asteroids, solar flares so massive you could see the flames hit the Earth, or early visits from UFOs, I'm not certain of anything once you get back far enough.
I mentioned electrical technology existing in the (known) ancient world because the Bagdad batter was found (and copies of it used to charge cell phones during the second Iraq war by an enterprising young engineer) and I think there is a good argument to be made that the Egyptian priests MAY have had a sort of lightbulb that allowed tomb paintings to be produced without the use of torches. That second one is very controversial but even going back to the 1970s when I was in school bored archeology majors and bored engineering majors would spend weekends building copies of the thing that worked.
Sure it is possible that some of the rock art labeled "super-nova" was really a solar flare, and people did live through at least one magnetic reversal that we know of.
But in general, I don't think people during most of history noticed most even rather large solar flares, unless they were so awesomely large that they set their local world on fire and they saw them incoming.
The Greeks may have had lenses so they could have done that, but most of their advanced technology (that we know of) and that of Rome used steam power. A friend of Nightwolf's translated a Roman military plan for an internal combustion engine that would have worked, but the officer in charge deemed it too expensive and impractical to use - this is word of mouth from the translator so I don't have a link, but I believe it is perfectly possible.
Tom McDowell
BAMN
RT 3:26
Suspicious0bservers
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Two Powerful Solar Events Erupted From The Sun. They Both Missed Earth, And We Are Very Lucky They Did.
The Solar Maximum Is Building Now, and Earth's Magnetic Field Continues Weakening
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20Gauge
TB Fanatic
Not an expert!
But it seems to me that I have zapped more than one board with chips. All I used was static electricity. So it would be more of a case of chips being destroyed than anything else? Or would it?
20Gauge
TB Fanatic
Turn when?
20Gauge
TB Fanatic
The mystical "smoke genie"!
Jubilee on Earth
Veteran Member
It’s turning now, and will continue to rotate Earth-facing for the next two weeks.
When will the spots be in position to do us harm? Timeline. today, tomorrow?
Sammy55
Veteran Member
We have a few longer distance (150 miles one way) drives in the next two weeks. If the sun sends out a flare, would it affect starting or driving vehicles? If a bad flare was released, how long would it take to hit earth? I'm assuming if there were a bad one that our TB2K warning system would let us know if we aren't at our computers to watch it.
I'm worried about these couple of trips as my dh is under chemo treatments and can't walk far or for long. And with my arthritis in my back and hip, neither can I. But we need to get these trips done with in the next 2 weeks.
Advice? Info? TYIA!!
I'm worried about these couple of trips as my dh is under chemo treatments and can't walk far or for long. And with my arthritis in my back and hip, neither can I. But we need to get these trips done with in the next 2 weeks.
Advice? Info? TYIA!!
Fairwillows
Where I am supposed to be.
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Guess we'll find out soon if there is more doom to come this week.
X-FLARE SUNSPOT RETURNS: On July 3rd, sunspot AR2838 unleashed the first X-flare of Solar Cycle 25, then promptly departed on a 2-week journey around the farside of the sun. It's back. The formerly-flaring sunspot is quietly rotating over the sun's northeastern limb, right here. Has it spent its fury since we last saw it--or does some remain? Stay tuned. Solar flare alerts: SMS Text.
X-FLARE SUNSPOT RETURNS: On July 3rd, sunspot AR2838 unleashed the first X-flare of Solar Cycle 25, then promptly departed on a 2-week journey around the farside of the sun. It's back. The formerly-flaring sunspot is quietly rotating over the sun's northeastern limb, right here. Has it spent its fury since we last saw it--or does some remain? Stay tuned. Solar flare alerts: SMS Text.
packyderms_wife
Neither here nor there.
Run time? Who put out this video?
Fairwillows
Where I am supposed to be.
Sorry, I usually do, I was in a hurry
hiwall
Has No Life - Lives on TB
If the power grid failed you would not be able to buy gas. Just keep the car 3/4 or fuller.
packyderms_wife
Neither here nor there.
Grand Solar Minimum News
They will be live in 51 minutes, going to talk about the Grand Solar Minimum, Sun Spots, CME's and global flooding.
Fairwillows
Where I am supposed to be.
I believe in an event severe enough to blow transformers and take down the grid, newer vehicles with electrical components won't run. Someone with knowledge of older vehicles would have to respond to the model year of vehicles that would run. From the 1970's back...???
jed turtle
a brother in the Lord
Thanks! I don’t usually watch any movies, hardly ever, but I wanted to see this one, perfect timing with all that is happening...
Hi, the video is from the site Suspicious Observers. I don't know who the commentator is, but he puts a daily summary of space weather, particularly of the sun.
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