Kerry's concession speech - I'm impressed

"On election day, there are no losers. Because when you wake up the next day, no matter if your man won or not, we're all still Americans".

What a wonderful thing to say. Other than some unneeded bloviating (heh), I was impressed. Maybe this can be the first step to some much needed healing.

I blame Gore for much of the splintering of the past four years - he was a horrible loser and his party never recovered... I hope Kerry's speach can keep the next four years from being the same.
 
Yeah, I posted that on another thread because I couldn't find the 'new post' button.

I was impressed - he seemed very gracious and patriotic. I never thought Kerry would impress me!
 

Metolius

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That was my first response, as well - "I'm impressed." Really extremely impressed. I began to even wonder how come in 2 years I'd never seen this side of Kerry. That if he had acted like this, perhaps things would have been different....

And then I thought "uh oh" - if this were a Clancy novel, what other meaning could this have?

I figure the OBL tape will come within 4 hours; 24 hours at the latest. Retaliation follows soon. I mean, Kerry above all stressed and even directly pointed out that we need to set aside differences, because in the morning, above all else, we still wake up as Americans.

Now Edwards? I never paid much attention to him. I agree with someone who said the dude looked angry and a bit demonic. Of course, he had been put in a stupid position, having to come out last night with the "we will fight on forever" speech - how dumb did this make him look? And he hasn't as much of a life to fall back on as does Kerry.
 

Texian

Contributing Member
The speech and concession helped the Democratic Party for the next round and the USA in general. It was the right thing to do...Texian
 

Amazed

Does too have a life!
It was very classy. He even looked different! Probably a release of stress. I hope he has set the tone. We need to be united.
 

04Silver

Inactive
While Edwards was speaking I thought we were goinig to have a suprise "not yet" speech from Kerry (ala Gore).
I thought Kerry did give a good speech and maybe had he used this during his campaign he might have faired a little better.
 

night driver

ESFP adrift in INTJ sea
bigwavedave said:
he's still a traitor and a liar and a commie and needs to be prosecuted for war crimes.


Dave, even past traitors can love their country... perhaps he did WHAT he did before out of love for the Country...

I know *I* certainly did, back then.


Doesn't matter RIGHT NOW.

RIGHT NOW, being the PRESENT (where we have to live, BTW), we need to be about building bridges, about discharging animosities, about looking at the MUCH LARGER PICTURE in which we live.\

We need to be working with everyone to make sure that the harness is right, and that we will be pulling together when we need to pull.


Particularly with the bad times acomin'


C
 

A.T.Hagan

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<i>RIGHT NOW, being the PRESENT (where we have to live, BTW), we need to be about building bridges, about discharging animosities, about looking at the MUCH LARGER PICTURE in which we live.\</i>

Chuck, I never realized you believed in Santa Claus.

.....Alan.
 

bigwavedave

Deceased
Doesn't matter RIGHT NOW.

actually, chuck, RIGHT NOW is the damn best time to make things right, before we start letting things slip down the memory hole.

RIGHT NOW is a damn good time to do audits of electronic voting (as you saw on the other thread) before the wrong person takes the oath of office (possibly).

RIGHT NOW is the best time to discuss a single, nationally required balloting system for federal elections.

NOW, not later when everybody wants to put all this stuff behind them.

take down kerry NOW while it's still fresh. if you want to testify on his behalf, be my guest.
 
I think having Kerry as president would have been a disaster - it would have finished us off as a Socialist country, and we'd have been completely under the control of the UN before the next election.

Yes, I think he was a traitor back then and he'd have been a traitor as President, too (through the UN).

However... I was still very impressed with his speach, and I was hoping it could be the beginnings of some healing. It appears some of you don't want to have any of that though. Too bad.
 

Mike 9 or 10

Deceased
bigwavedave said:
he's still a traitor and a liar and a commie and needs to be prosecuted for war crimes.


Dave, I must respectfully disagree about prosecuting him for war crimes. He lied about that too.

But you were dead on with your other points.
 

bigwavedave

Deceased
I was hoping it could be the beginnings of some healing. It appears some of you don't want to have any of that though. Too bad.

are you freakin nuts?? there's another election in two years. the country is polarized. we have a nasty, unpopular little war going on, maybe a few more to start. and you are talking about healing?? yikes.
 

susie0884

Dooming since 1998
CL:

I agree with you--it was very gracious. You learn more about people when they lose than you do when they win.
 

SageTheRage

Membership Revoked
Amazed, Impressed, Grateful...

Edwards had me concerned about what kind of concession speech Kerry would be giving. Edwards's facial expressions and pauses for effect kept me wondering when the "slammie whammie" was going to hit but I was amazed that such did not occur. Here are some candid shots I thought touching:

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Sen. John Edwards, D-N.C., left talks with his running mate Sen. John Kerry , D-Mass. before delivering their concession speeches in Boston's Faneuil Hall, Wednesday, Nov. 3, 2004. (AP Photo/Elise Amendola)




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Democratic Sen. John Kerry conceded the White House race to President George W. Bush in a phone call on November 3, 2004, ending uncertainty about ballot counting in Ohio and cementing Bush's re-election to a second four-year term. In a dispute that evoked memories of the prolonged election recount in Florida in 2000, questions about provisional and absentee ballots in Ohio had delayed the final outcome of the presidential election for hours. Kerry and his wife Teresa hug as they arrive back in his home state at the end of the campaign in Bedford, Massachusetts November 2. (Brian Snyder/Reuters)
 
No, I'm not nuts. Gore's "sore/loserman" debacle fractured the country and we didn't recover from it.. and this election cycle has made it worse.

There are people in other countries who want to "bring America to her knees".

We either stand together and fight them.. or we remain fractured and die.

I'm glad Kerry made the speach he did - it showed class. And I still hope that it can bring about *some* healing.

Yeah, I felt Bush was the lesser of two evils.. but no matter anyone's feelings about it, he's our duly elected President for another four years. We either support him internationally while keeping a very close eye on him domestically or we remain fractured and appear weak and vulnerable.
 

GILTRIC

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ChainedLightning said:
I think having Kerry as president would have been a disaster - it would have finished us off as a Socialist country, and we'd have been completely under the control of the UN before the next election.

Only putting off the inevitable....

Would you rather fight it or have your kids fight it.

There are people in other countries who want to "bring America to her knees".

And we will have no "allies" to help defend against them......thats what happens to the "lone wolf".......
 

bigwavedave

Deceased
We either support him internationally while keeping a very close eye on him domestically or we remain fractured and appear weak and vulnerable.

huh? keep an eye on him? he doesn't give a ratsass what you think about what he does. haven't you noticed that yet? sheesh.

we are fractured and will remain so. this election hasn't changed that. kerry's concession won't heal a damn thing. even most dems thought he was a lousy candidate.

what i've read on this board is that bush has made us strong regardless of contrary opinion. as with you, he doesn't give a ratsass about kerry either - he doesn't read, he isn't curious but just does what he knows to be right, even if it's wrong!

yep, let's all jump on the bush bandwagon cuz kerry delivered the usual lying loser speech. un-huh.
 
Thankfully, all of us aren't as cynical as you Dave. I'm glad I have some optimism left in me.

Kerry showed class that I didn't realize he had. I appreciated his speech. Such a simple statement, and yet it ignited such vitriol in you.

But, that's the great thing about this great country... we're all entitled to our opinions.
 
Here ya go Dennis

http://www.juiceenewsdaily.com/1104/news/kerry_edwards_concession.html

John Kerry Concession
Speech Text Transcript
by Landon Howell

Following is a transcript of Sen. John Kerry's
concession speech delivered in Boston, as
provided by Federal News Service.

SEN. KERRY: Thank you. Thank you.
(Continued cheers, applause.) Thank you
so much. Thank you. Thank you. (Continued
cheers, applause.) Thank you so much. Thank
you so much. You just have no idea how warming and how generous that welcome is, your love is, your affection, and I'm gratified by it.

I'm sorry that we got here a little bit late and a little bit short. (Chuckles.)

Earlier today, I spoke to President Bush, and I offered him and Laura our congratulations on their victory. We had a good conversation, and we talked about the danger of division in our country and the need, the desperate need for unity, for finding the common ground, coming together. Today, I hope that we can begin the healing. In America -- (applause).

In America it is vital that every vote count, and that every vote be counted. But the outcome should be decided by voters, not a protracted legal process. I would not give up this fight if there was a chance we would prevail. But it is now clear that even when all the provisional ballots are counted -- which they will be -- there won't be enough outstanding votes for us to be able to win Ohio, and therefore we cannot win this election.

My friends, it was here that we began our campaign for the presidency, and all we had was hope and a vision for a better America. It was a privilege and a gift to spend two years traveling this country, coming to know so many of you. I wish that I could just wrap you up in my arms and embrace each and every one of you individually all across this nation. I thank you from the bottom of my heart. (Cheers, applause.) Thank you. (Applause.) Thank you. (Cheers, applause.) Thank you. (Applause.)

AUDIENCE MEMBER: We absolutely loved you!

AUDIENCE MEMBER: We've still got your back! (Laughter.)

SEN. KERRY: Thank you, man. (Cheers, applause.) And I'm -- and I assure you, you watch: I'll still have yours. So hang in there. (Cheers, applause.)

I will always be particularly grateful to the colleague that you just heard from who became my partner, my very close friend, an extraordinary leader, John Edwards. And I thank him for everything he did and I just -- (cheers, applause). Thank you.

John -- John and I would be the first to tell you that we owe so much to our families. They're here with us today. They were with us every single step of the way. They sustained us. They went out on their own and they multiplied our campaign all across this country. No one did this more with grace and with courage and candor that I love than my wife, Teresa, and I thank her. (Cheers, applause.) Thank you.

And our children were there every single step of the way. It was unbelievable. Vanessa, Alex, Chris, Andre and John from my family. And Elizabeth Edwards, who is so remarkable and so strong and so smart. (Cheers, applause.) And Johnny and Cate, who went out there on her own, just like my daughters did, and also Emma Claire and Jack, who were up beyond their bedtime last night, like a lot of us. (Cheers, applause.)

I want to thank my crewmates and my friends from 35 years ago, that great band of brothers who crisscrossed this country on my behalf through 2004. (Extended applause.) They had the courage to speak the truth back then, and they spoke it again this year, and for that I will forever be grateful.

And thanks also, as I look around here, to friends and family of a lifetime, some from college, friends made all across the years, and then all across the miles of this campaign.

You are so special. You brought the gift of your passion for our country and the possibilities of change, and that will stay with us and with this country forever.

Thanks to Democrats and Republicans and Independents who stood with us, and everyone who voted, no matter who their candidate was.

And thanks to my absolutely unbelievable, dedicated staff, led by a wonderful campaign manager, Mary Beth Cahill, who did an extraordinary job. (Cheers, applause.)

There's so much written about campaigns and there's so much that Americans never get to see. I wish they could all spend a day on a campaign and see how hard these folks work to make America better. It is its own unbelievable contribution to our democracy, and it's a gift to everybody, but especially to me.

And I'm grateful to each and every one of you, and I thank your families, and I thank you for the sacrifices you've made, and to all the volunteers all across this country who gave so much of themselves.

You know, thanks to William Field -- (laughs) -- a 6-year-old who collected $680, a quarter and a dollar at a time selling bracelets during the summer, to help change America. (Cheers, applause.) Thanks to Michael Benson from Florida, who I spied in a rope line holding a container of money, and it turned out he had raided his piggy bank and wanted to contribute.

And thanks to Ilana Wexler, 11 years old, who started "Kids for Kerry" all across our country. (Cheers, applause.)

I think of the brigades of students and people, young and old, who took time to travel, time off from work, their own vacation time, to work in states far and wide. They braved the hot days of summer and the cold days of the fall and the winter to knock on doors because they were determined to open the doors of opportunity to all Americans. They worked their hearts out. And I wish you, you don't know how much, that I could have brought this race home for you, for them. And I say to them now: Don't lose faith. What you did made a difference. And building on itself -- (applause). Building on itself, we go on to make a difference another day. I promise you that time will come. The time will come, the election will come when your work and your ballots will change the world. And it's worth fighting for. (Applause.)

I want to especially say to the American people, in this journey you have given me the honor and the gift of listening and learning from you. I have visited your homes, I visited your churches, I visited your community halls. I've heard your stories. I know your struggles. I know your hopes.

They are part of me now. And I will never forget you, and I'll never stop fighting for you. (Applause; cheers.) You may not understand completely in what ways, but it is true when I say to you that you have taught me and you've tested me and you've lifted me up, and you've made me stronger.

I did my best to express my vision and my hopes for America. We worked hard, and we fought hard, and I wish that things had turned out a little differently. But in an American election, there are no losers, because whether or not our candidates are successful, the next morning, we all wake up as Americans. (Applause.) And that -- that is the greatest privilege and the most remarkable good fortune that can come to us on Earth.

With that gift also comes obligation. We are required now to work together for the good of our country. In the days ahead, we must find common cause, we must join in common effort, without remorse or recrimination, without anger or rancor. America is in need of unity and longing for a larger measure of compassion. I hope President Bush will advance those values in the coming years.

I pledge to do my part to try to bridge the partisan divide. I know this is a difficult time for my supporters, but I ask them, all of you, to join me in doing that. Now more than ever, with our soldiers in harm's way, we must stand together and succeed in Iraq and win the war on terror.

I will also do everything in my power to ensure that my party, a proud Democratic Party, stands true to our best hopes and ideals. I believe that what we started in this campaign will not end here, and I know -- (cheers, applause). Our fight goes on to put America back to work and to make our economy a great engine of job growth. Our fight goes on to make affordable health care a accessible right for all Americans, not a privilege. Our fight goes on to protect the environment, to achieve equality, to push the frontiers of science and discovery, and to restore America's reputation in the world. I believe that all of this will happen, and sooner than we may think because we're America and America always moves forward. (Applause.)

I've been honored to represent the citizens of this commonwealth for the -- in the United States Senate now for 20 years, and I pledge to them that in the years ahead I'm going to fight on for the people and for the principles that I've learned and lived with here in Massachusetts.

I'm proud of what we stood for in this campaign and of what we accomplished. When we began, no one thought it was possible to even make this a close race. But we stood for real change, change that would make a real difference in the life of our nation and the lives of our families, and we defined that choice to America.

I'll never forget the wonderful people who came to our rallies, who stood in our rope lines, who put their hopes in our hands, who invested in each and every one of us. I saw in them the truth that America is not only great, but it is good.

So here -- (applause). So with a grateful heart, I leave this campaign with a prayer that has even greater meaning to me now that I have come to know our vast country so much better, thanks to all of you, and what a privilege it has been to do so, and that prayer is very simple: God bless America. Thank you. (Cheers, applause.)
 

Toto

Inactive
With much trepidation, I post this. If you don't want to be disturbed by another point of view than the "isn't Kerry wonderful" sing-along, please stop reading this now.

All of you all deserve to know this about Kerry and his concession speech. Just so you won't be totally surprised by what may go down over the next few weeks. And, believe me, I won't be surprised if you all dismiss it as so much "whining," either. I really don't care. But in case some of you might still care for your fellow citizens, and their right to vote....

John Kerry PROMISED thousands of volunteer poll workers in the democratic party that he would not conceed until ALL of the provisional and absentee ballots had been counted. Just a few more days to wait, if that long, and it DID look like Bush would win. If the shoe were on the other foot, wouldn't you have expected the same from President Bush? So what if it took a few more days?

NOTE THIS PLEASE! Kerry has BETRAYED that trust, held by MILLIONS of people in the democratic party. Everything he supposedly stood for has been cast into doubt by the action he has taken, and it will NOT lead to peaceful resolution of the issues, or of the election, no matter what the "nightly snews casters" do to try to paint a pretty picture. People ARE concerned. I'm not talking violence, I'm talking due process. Within the democratic party.

Now, ask yourselves, why would Kerry do such a thing to his supporters and the party that he supposedly represents? I know it may make some of you feel relieved, but please think very carefully about this. The pressure is building, it has NOT been relieved by his action.

My friends and I who have worked the polls in Michigan ALL have affadavits of extremely unusual, potentially illegal activity in the major democratic areas (precinct switching, bogus registration forms, misleading phone calls and notices), aimed at repressing and suppressing the vote. None of this evidence has been heard yet, and thanks to Kerry's pre-emptive decision, it is unlikely that it will ever (at least in the near term) be made public.

So, here we have Kerry conceeding to Bush. And a lot of you apparently taking comfort in this, and, yes the "just get over it" speeches, yet again.

But, some of us feel like it is "groundhog's day" redux, 2000 revisited, and some of your comments are MOST unwelcome for that reason. Comparing Kerry to Gore, however well intended, is just adding salt to the wounds.

Just recognize that Kerry is NOT the spokesperson for the majority of democratic voters at this time. We need to sort it all out first.

Apparently, you CAN fool the people over, and over, and over. Just wait until some of you are in that position. With the current administration, I am confident I won't have to wait long until some republicans are also in that position. Sadly.

By the way, for those of you who would like to imagine that you can, and will be able to "marginalize" 48% of the VOTING public, you might want to think again. Won't be easy to "disappear" us, even with all of the new-fangled "non-lethal" (huh!) weapons at their disposal. So more than just "lip service" might be in order here, if you truly want to heal the country.

Well, this is just politics after all. I hope everyone has a peaceful evening. And yes, I DO want us to heal, but until we lance this particular wound, I'm afraid we won't.
 

mole

Doomer Granny
I may be in the minority here, but I agree with you CL.

His speech was both humble and gracious. I saw a very human side of Kerry today and even though I don't agree with much/most of what he stands for, I too appreciated his message and the manner in which he presented it.

He recognized the fact that another litigation fest would not have helped anything and he decided instead to put the best interest of the nation before his own ambitions.

Money can't buy that kind of class and in my opinion, in this instance, he showed great statesmanship and leadership.

okay, that said, the flame retardant suit is on......................

~mole:
 
Toto, I'm confused... you're mad at your guy because he didn't win?

You want him to be president.. and yet you're angry at him and you say he doesn't speak for you?

I know that sounds flippant, and I tried to reword it so it won't.. because I honestly don't want to sound flippant... but I also don't understand your position. You seem to feel that Kerry broke his promise to you and you are deeply hurt by that, but at the same time you still want him to be president.

I *do* think he did the best thing for the country... and I respect him for that. It's the first thing he's done that has given me any reason at all to respect him for anything.

I truly hope you can get whatever election irregularities you saw resolved. I also hope you come to terms with your own feelings soon and can find your own healing.
 

Toto

Inactive
Dear CL,

The people who witnessed this process willl get beyond this. Eyes wide open and all. But it will take some time. It is, after all "a good learning experience."

I just wanted you folks to know that many people right now feel that a deep betrayal was evidenced by Kerry's premature concession speech - something you are not likely to EVER hear on the mainstream news.

I'm sure it made many of you felt lots better about him when he gave that eloquent speech, but just be aware that that is not a universally held feeling. And Kerry's promise to wait was a promise to the party. And to the thousands of volunteers who believed him, and in him. I, having had my heart broken many times before, was a little more skeptical, shall we say?

And, someday, you may understand this too. When Bush betrays the republican party, and the promises he has made to you (draft? war? terrorism? tax increases? Patriot Act II?) and then some..

I really don't care at this point whether anything comes of this, although I do appreciate your concern for me personally. Thank you for that, from the bottom of my heart. The only reason I can possibly continue to read and post here is because of kind hearted folks like you. But thank you, I don't need healing, although some of you folks apparently do.

I wish I could let you rest in your assumptions that all is now right with the world, and all is forgiven (at least from your side) - just remember that it may not be, within the democratic party.

No, I'm not angry at Kerry, just surprised and betrayed, and feeling played, of course. Kerry is WAY beyond any regret for what he has done here, as is Bush. Got it? No need for useless energy-wasting emotions. But it isn't right, either. And, no, sadly, it is not at rest. For 48% of us.
 

Dennis Olson

Chief Curmudgeon
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What Kerry was doing was paving the way for a "real" Democrat return in campaign 2008. Had he NOT done so (and dragged this out like his predecessor did in 2000), the Dems wouldn't have a chance in hell, probably for decades. Though you might feel betrayed, Kerry gave you your best shot at '08.

Now, what are you people gonna do with it? Piss it away with extreme radical liberalism, or find a centrist candidate who CAN carry the election? The ball is entirely in YOUR COURT...
 

SageTheRage

Membership Revoked
the betrayal is more widespread than you know

Toto, I can emphatize with your feelings of betrayal because I have felt betrayed by our political leaders for a long time. As you may know if you're ever read any of my various posts throughout TB, I am neither a Kerry nor a Bush supporter. Therefore what I am about to say is not biased against Kerry because I lean towards Bush.

You say that someday some may know of Bush's betrayal of the Republican party, ha! I've all but given up on the die-hards realizing that fact. I believe that some may know it in their hearts but in order to save face, they do not let that fact be known. Yes, the examples you gave are true enough... the Patriot Act in particular. However, that is a betrayal to the American people, to our country as a whole, not just the Rep. party. Bush's agenda is to push us into the NWO but few see that and lesser still are willing to admit it.

Oddly enough, I too wondered about the events leading up to Kerry's concession speech because in the back of my mind, I kept mulling over the speculations that surfaced fairly recently that Kerry was a mere puppet used to set the stage for Hillary's entrance in '08. That the wheels that put the Dems in motion forced Kerry into the arena, knowing he'd lose and wanting him to lose. That way, after another 4 yrs. of Bush's tyrannical reign, the people would be clamouring for change and Hillary would be a shoe-in.

If such is the case, and time may bear this out, then you will feel even more betrayed. And that betrayal is coming from within your own party once again.

However, the position raised here in this thread was, I believe, genuine (as was my amazement posted in another thread along the same vein) in that Kerry's concession speech was eloquent, well stated and without malice. *That* is the point being made. Everyone, myself included, fully expected a real 'ripping and bitter' speech full of division rather than the prevailing theme of unity.

I can't say that I blame you for the disunity you feel regarding your candidate's *early* concession and broken promise(s) and there very well may be more to it and a hidden agenda behind his motives. If so, then in all rightfulness, it should come to light. In risking further rubbing salt into your wounds, perhaps now you can better understand the statements that the anti-Kerry's were saying about his waffling. Now you've been victimized by it first hand. Your anger, however, should be turned towards your party for this betrayl you feel.

I close by saying I agree with you on another point...all is not right with the world but it is far from being felt by just those in the democratic party. There is indeed a big political unrest yet to come...one of which healing is going to come at a very high, but unfortunately a much needed price. Those who feel as I do are less than 48% so we cannot take comfort in our numbers and have only the courage of our convictions on which to rely.
 

Toto

Inactive
Thanks Dennis and Sage for your kind and considerate words.

Dennis, I only hope that we have until 2008 to set things right, but my heart tells me, sadly, no, time has run out. And while I have the chance, thanks also for hosting this site, and I will contribute as soon as I can! I do, unfortunately, think that Kerry was as close to "centrist" as the democratic party is capable of delivering. Maybe we need to follow your lead and come up with some alternatives?

Sage...you are so right in everything you have said, as I have come to know. But I think that there may be a growing group of folks, certainly less than 48% currently, who have clearly seen the "action, problem, solution" NWO/UN ruse for what it is. And are ready for something different. Whether it is a critical mass, I don't know. I only can hope.

Thanks again both of you for your kind words and considerate replies. I only wish the best for all of us going forwards into the future.
 

Dennis Olson

Chief Curmudgeon
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<b>I do, unfortunately, think that Kerry was as close to "centrist" as the democratic party is capable of delivering.</b>

Which is why he lost. For many years, the Dems held the reigns of power. But they ultimately lost their "roots" and began to drift. This aimless wandering happened to both main parties at one time of another. Just as the Reps allowed themselves (for a time) to cater to the Pat Buchanans of their party, these days the Dems have made the same mistake. Until the "lunatic fringe" in the Dem party is tossed, they'll keep losing.

The Rps learned from their mistakes. Your turn.

(I am a lifelong Democrat BTW, but I can no longer vote for members of my party, nor can I make myself join the Reps.)
 

Prairie Lady

Inactive
There are times when a class ACT is called for, and Kerry's concession was the right act for the moment.

Folks have forgotten that betrayal of a "party" damages a NATION, not just that party.

What I hear from you TOTO, is that the Dems are the bride that got jilted at the alter by the groom. But that bride is much better off without that groom, in the long run. Better at the alter than 10 kids down the road.

People poo-poo the importance of personal integrity in government and politics. You see that very scoffing when you hear comments like.."well, it's his own personal sex life and nobody's business. It has nothing to do with how he performs his job" (ie clinton sex scandal). Well, it has EVERYTHING to do with how he does his job because if his own wife can't trust him after he promised to love, HONOR, CHERISH till DEATH, then why should we trust him for 4 years?

Sadly, the dems have learned that Kerry is not trustworthy. If he can't keep his word to them, then all the oaths made to the entire country isn't going to make him credible or trustworthy. They learned the hard way that they backed a liar and a deceiver. Well, thank goodness he didn't become president. The presidency is not a job for the weak.

Clinton taught us that interity is a crucial issue in politics. AlBore taughty us that Grace is also very important. 2004 election showed us that there are still a good amount of people who want to see strong moral standing, integrity, strength, and the ability to keep personal commitments. Despite Bush's errors, he's the closest we've come politically to those virtues. I think it will be political suicide for the dems to continue on the liberal, no hold's barred morally indignant path they've been walking for some time now.

America has certainly fallen morally indicated by the tight margin between the two candidates, but thank your lucky stars that there are some left who really do want to see us up out of the rut (rut=the path to the grave) by electing the only person who dared to run on a moral platform.

Bush inherited a huge nasty stinking mess from the prior administration and then got hit with war on our own ground. I don't see a single individual on this forum yet who could even come close to offering a reasonable solution in such a circumstance if they should find themselves in it. There is a lot that goes on behind closed doors and non of us even has a hint of a clue as to what any President has to shoulder.

While I hate the patriot act with every cell in my flesh and believe it to be BAD business for the country in the long run, outright marxism is even worse.

We had an opportunity yesterday to vote out many incumbents within government so that the system could be replenished with new blood. Yet, we tend to minimize the importance of congressional elections and federal legislature (ie judges) (which are truly the most crucial elections of all), when they don't occur during a presidential election year.

The gravest issues of all aren't the fault's of our leaders but our own inability as a nation to esteem the importance of personal character, and to recognize it. We CHOSE our leaders based on our own ideals and what do we get????

I think we need to look more in the mirror at ourselves individually so that we can pick good leaders.

Strong Nations begin at home.

pl
 

Metolius

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darkimbolc -

My honest opinion is that his concession was impressive. I don't have a problem with calling 'em like I see them.

This candidate showed he "could" be impressive to independents like me, at least with the attitude displayed in this speech. The fact is that he chose not to do so for the entire time he was running for office.

I do not pick the candidates that are put forward - the parties themselves do. I don't pick candidates depending on whether they obsess about their appearance, hair dos or speech patterns, or whether they appear incapable of correcting dyslexic thoughts. I comment on it, because I notice it either way - but what kind of voter decides an election based on superficialities like that?
 

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Dennis Olson said:
<b>I do, unfortunately, think that Kerry was as close to "centrist" as the democratic party is capable of delivering.</b>

Which is why he lost. For many years, the Dems held the reigns of power. But they ultimately lost their "roots" and began to drift. This aimless wandering happened to both main parties at one time of another. Just as the Reps allowed themselves (for a time) to cater to the Pat Buchanans of their party, these days the Dems have made the same mistake. Until the "lunatic fringe" in the Dem party is tossed, they'll keep losing.

The Rps learned from their mistakes. Your turn.

(I am a lifelong Democrat BTW, but I can no longer vote for members of my party, nor can I make myself join the Reps.)


These are my sentiments as well. Except that I am a lifelong independent.
 
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