INSANITY Joe Biden Calls for Renewal of Monthly Government Payments to Families

[Dennis Olson]

www.breitbart.com/politics/2022/01/17/joe-biden-calls-renewal-monthly-government-payments-families/

Joe Biden Calls for Renewal of Monthly Government Payments to Families

Charlie Spiering3-3 minutes 1/17/2022

President Joe Biden called for the renewal of monthly government payouts to families, noting its success at reducing child poverty.

“That child tax credit was really helpful and we gotta get that renewed,” Biden said Sunday, during a visit to Philabundance, a hunger relief organization in Philadelphia.

Biden and first lady Jill Biden volunteered Sunday at the organization to help pack boxes of food for the needy.

The president spoke through his mask as he put large bags of carrots into boxes of food on a moving conveyer belt.

During his conversation with volunteers, Biden said he had “one complaint” about his life, noting that the monthly government payments to families had not been renewed.

“We’ve got to get it back,” he said.

The monthly payments to families began in July, sending parents as much as $300 per child every month as part of Biden’s temporary boost to the child tax credit passed in the American Rescue plan last year. The tax “credit” was sent to parents, even if they did not make any income.

The monthly payments were sent to families without a work requirement, earning criticism from even Democrats such as Sen. Joe Manchin (D-WV).

Extension of the tax credit was part of Biden’s Build Back Better agenda, which officially died in December after Manchin said he would not support the bill, making it impossible to pass, not having a majority of Democrat backing.



U.S. President Joe Biden (Samuel Corum/Getty Images) and Sen. Joe Manchin (D-WV) (Al Drago-Pool/Getty Images)

Making the child tax program permanent would cost $1.6 trillion, the Tax Foundation indicated.

Biden and Vice President Kamala Harris repeatedly cited the expanded tax credit as one of their greatest successes in their first year in office.

“Let’s reflect on that. Let’s reflect on what that means for generations,” Harris said during an event with Democrats in December. “Talk about transformative. Talk about return on the investment.”

Biden called on activists to put pressure on senators to get it renewed.

“They don’t realize that it literally did reduce child poverty by 40 percent,” he said.

December’s payment was the last payout families will receive unless the program is renewed.

On another note, Biden revealed to volunteers during the event that one of his favorite foods is pasta with red sauce.

“I’m also a big peanut butter and jelly guy,” he added.

“They kid me. … ‘You’re president of the United States. Why do you want peanut butter and jelly?'” he said.

 

[Dozdoats]

Then give EVERYONE govt money!

 

[hiwall]

I wish the gov would give everyone a couple grand per month so we could end this once and for all.

 

[Dobbin]

I wish the gov would give everyone a couple grand per month so we could end this once and for all.

Yes, that would do it.

When is inflation NOT inflation? When everything become "indexed" to swallow up that "couple of grand a month."

Think of it. You live KNOWING that wage/price parity will continue AD INFINITUM.

Of course all those foreign goods you buy to good advantage will become more expensive - but so will your pay increase to buy it.

Of course savings ROE (return on equity) will be indexed to inflation as well - so your dollars will continue to increase at least keeping par: what you put in the bank today can be bought tomorrow for the same effort on your part. But no less effort either.

But then why save? Simply spend it now? If you don't the dollars in your pocket are NOT indexed. You're losing money in the time it takes you to decide which size pudding cup to buy.

It will be a world with no "investment." Nobody will have expectation of anything beyond what they have now. And no incentive to "save."

And in effect - you will all be frozen at your present life's station. You better like your life's station as that is all there will be for you.

So don't waste your time trying to improve your life's station. Or "make a better mousetrap" because it pleases you and will benefit mankind and possibly make you rich.

Serf.

Dobbin

 

[hunybee]

never trust anyone that eats peanut butter....

 

[To-late]

Couple of grand a month would pay for pew pellets even at high costs.

 

[TxGal]

His numbers are dropping, he's looking to buy favor.

 

[Vegas321]

Just have everyone not pay personal income tax. Our taxes are not needed since we have been abusing the printing press.

 

[Barry Natchitoches]

It is the seniors stuck on Social Security who need help paying for food and medicine, not these spoiled younger folks who just do not want to work.

The younger ones get food stamps and WIC payments for children who are already getting FREE BREAKFAST AND LUNCH at school plus backpacks full of food to bring home at night and on weekends. Plus they get free medical care and dental care through Medicaid.

Meantimem you have seniors who get less than a thousand dollars a month social security, who then have $170 taken out of that for Medicare. Social Security recipients supposedly got a 5.5% raise this year, but for those whose SS checks were on the lower end, they didn’t get anywhere near that much of a raise because the Medicare premium increased so much.

Meantime, the true food inflation rate was much higher than the 5.5% that they supposedly got. Plus seniors have NO dental, hearing, or vision insurance at the very time in life when their teeth, eyes and hearing begin to fail them.

SENIORS NEED EXTRA AID, NOT LAZY YOUNG FOLKS!

 

[Millwright]

His numbers are dropping, he's looking to buy favor.

My take on it too.

Numbers are tanking, talk about some free $#it. (which will never come to pass)

 

[Dozdoats]

You live KNOWING that wage/price parity will continue AD INFINITUM.

No.

Just until it all falls down. Which is inevitable at this point anyway. Might as well get it over with.

 

[BornFree]

Every time you pay your school taxes you are paying subsidies to "the children". Can't pay- then lose home. Never had children then too bad for you. And by the way- you don't get a dime of all this money that you helped to finance on the public debt. But be happy the kiddies get to play football and basketball out of your pocket.

 

[SmithJ]

Renewal? My family never got the first ones...

 

[night driver]

Look, I'm all for this couple grand a month/person for a while. The first month we handle ALL of our revolving debt. Next month 2 grand in silver. Next month an AR with accouterments, and then in May it all falls down. Fine for me.

MOAR.
HARDERER.
FASTERER!!!!

 

[ohiohippie]

Bribe the voters.

 

[ohiohippie]

Every time you pay your school taxes you are paying subsidies to "the children". Can't pay- then lose home. Never had children then too bad for you. And by the way- you don't get a dime of all this money that you helped to finance on the public debt. But be happy the kiddies get to play football and basketball out of your pocket.

My grampa griped when his taxes came.
He had to pay for the schools and he didn’t have any kids in school.
He’d calm down… the taxes would come again.
He wouldn’t wear a seatbelt because no law was telling him what he had to do in his car that he paid for.
I miss him and his opinionated self.

 

[33dInd]

My grampa griped when his taxes came.
He had to pay for the schools and he didn’t have any kids in school.
He’d calm down… the taxes would come again.
He wouldn’t wear a seatbelt because no law was telling him what he had to do in his car that he paid for.
I miss him and his opinionated self.

Sounds kinda like me too

 

[kyrsyan]

The thing is... it's not "free" money. It's the child tax credit that they'd get at tax time normally. And there's going to be a serious ruckus this year when some folks suddenly realize that. And realize that they aren't going to get massive returns.

 

[Jaybird]

The thing is... it's not "free" money. It's the child tax credit that they'd get at tax time normally. And there's going to be a serious ruckus this year when some folks suddenly realize that. And realize that they aren't going to get massive returns.

We have been getting a monthly check. We put it in our savings account so we wouldn't touch it. Will be interesting to see what happens with our taxes. I think you could opt out when it started. Told the wife hell no. We will still be paying for it regardless. Maybe get some of our money back even if it's just pennys.

 

[colonel holman]

The thing is... it's not "free" money. It's the child tax credit that they'd get at tax time normally. And there's going to be a serious ruckus this year when some folks suddenly realize that. And realize that they aren't going to get massive returns.

And then even the free shit army voting block becomes pissed at the current “leadership” in DC.
Blowback could be a Bitch.

 

[Kathy in FL]

The thing is... it's not "free" money. It's the child tax credit that they'd get at tax time normally. And there's going to be a serious ruckus this year when some folks suddenly realize that. And realize that they aren't going to get massive returns.

They are already noticing it. Alot of those people count on that special money to pay the bills that back up over the holidays. First week of January and they are in line with their hand out. You should hear some of the things we are hearing from our tenants. Dear Lord, it is armegeddon or something like it. The government "owes" them money. And holy crap, some of them are actually having to pay taxes because some of the assistance money they received last year is being 1099'd like income.

"But it was free!! Why am I paying taxes on it?!!!"

Next thing, the sackcloth and ashes will come out and then the torches and pitchforks because someone is going to pay for the pain they feel.

And no, I'm not kidding. That is exactly how some people are.

 

[undead]

welfare
entitlement
money for nothing
political payola
dependency to the socialist authoritarians

 

[Jeff B.]

No we don’t need to “start it back up”.

In fact we need to be curtailing ALL of these handout programs. When things get thin, viola! People will magically start showing up to work.

I think we need a Safety Net, all civilized society does. We just need to make those holes a lot bigger.

Jeff B.

 

[wintery_storm]

Every time you pay your school taxes you are paying subsidies to "the children". Can't pay- then lose home. Never had children then too bad for you. And by the way- you don't get a dime of all this money that you helped to finance on the public debt. But be happy the kiddies get to play football and basketball out of your pocket.

Yep and we pay 5 thousand a year to the school . Our kids went to Catholic when they were little. We paid for that as well as our Public school tax bill. When I would complain all I would get as an answer/ It was your choice to send your kids Private. Well if I could move my tax money to the school I wanted it would not be the one in my School District. Gere in the Northeast it really is terrible with Property taxes

 

[kyrsyan]

They are already noticing it. Alot of those people count on that special money to pay the bills that back up over the holidays. First week of January and they are in line with their hand out. You should hear some of the things we are hearing from our tenants. Dear Lord, it is armegeddon or something like it. The government "owes" them money. And holy crap, some of them are actually having to pay taxes because some of the assistance money they received last year is being 1099'd like income.

"But it was free!! Why am I paying taxes on it?!!!"

Next thing, the sackcloth and ashes will come out and then the torches and pitchforks because someone is going to pay for the pain they feel.

And no, I'm not kidding. That is exactly how some people are.

Curious as to which monies are being 1099ed. Every thing received here is supposed to be tax free. But then, I didn't go for extra handouts. I worked my way through.

 

[wvstuck]

Pay one person, pay all people. Prepping is expensive. If we are going to crash the system, make sure everyone benefits the exact same on the way down. Some will be trying to eat 70" TV's and Nike shoes. Other people will be oiling and cleaning, eating well prepared meals.

The crash is coming, time is very short.

 

[Publius]

Next if you're not vaccinated you don't get any gov money and it will not matter how many kids you have.

 

[ivantherussian03]

I got an idea….you could get a job.

 

[ivantherussian03]

Next if you're not vaccinated you don't get any gov money and it will not matter how many kids you have.

My employer tied the vaccine to use of sick leave.

 

[Doomer Doug]

It has triggered a biden baby boom to get the $300 a month plus food stamps, health care rental help yada..

Much of it will go to illegals and refugees.
The REAL reason the demoncrats want it NOW is to bribe them for the election.

 

[Melodi]

It is the seniors stuck on Social Security who need help paying for food and medicine, not these spoiled younger folks who just do not want to work.

The younger ones get food stamps and WIC payments for children who are already getting FREE BREAKFAST AND LUNCH at school plus backpacks full of food to bring home at night and on weekends. Plus they get free medical care and dental care through Medicaid.

Meantimem you have seniors who get less than a thousand dollars a month social security, who then have $170 taken out of that for Medicare. Social Security recipients supposedly got a 5.5% raise this year, but for those whose SS checks were on the lower end, they didn’t get anywhere near that much of a raise because the Medicare premium increased so much.

Meantime, the true food inflation rate was much higher than the 5.5% that they supposedly got. Plus seniors have NO dental, hearing, or vision insurance at the very time in life when their teeth, eyes and hearing begin to fail them.

SENIORS NEED EXTRA AID, NOT LAZY YOUNG FOLKS!

WIC is one of the few Federal programs that when cost out has actually worked as intended. It provides food supplements (limit to a list) to pregnant women and Babies/Small children too young for school except in approved cases where a child has special medical needs.

A number of studies have shown that if the entire food stamp/EBT program was handled more like WIC, the waste would be cut back significantly and the fraud also diminished (you can never get rid of all of it, people are just that way).

What that would mean would be limiting severely what could be "bought" with an EBT card to certain staples and healthy foods, which is easily doable as WIC already has the model for that. Of course, the lobbying by the processed food industry makes this unlikely to happen, they WANT people buying Cheetos and Surgery Coated Whatz it with their government handouts.

I do agree that seniors also need extra help in this regard and most older people would be happy (I think) with the help that aimed more towards healthy foods they could eat (and know what to do with).

The devil is in the details of course, as in "who" decides "what" is healthy - but I think WIC shows a good way forward on that what, just expand it up for adults - aka you can buy basic meat or cheese with it but not a super-processed pre-made sandwich to put in a microwave.

Waivers could be given for people actually living in homeless hotels or shelters that have no cooking facilities (that already happens sometimes on the State level) with a long-term goal of making sure such places have kitchen facilities and/or cafeterias.

 

[Melodi]

I got an idea….you could get a job.

When I worked in AFDC welfare, which admittedly was 30 years ago, study after study and review after a review showed there were two major reasons that welfare mothers (and most of them were mothers) could not work.

A total lack of affordable child care - someone has to watch the babies, it is no longer legal for ladies to follow my grandmother's example and drag three babies (aged 3,2,1) wither her to clean houses when her husband left them to starve.

A Near Total Lack of Jobs with Real Health Care Benefits-this may have morphed somewhat in the passing years, but back then many women on "welfare to work programs" did just fine as long as they had State Supported health care (and child care) but as soon as that was up - the moment they or their child experienced a serious illness or accident they lost their jobs and ended up back on welfare - sometimes it was a simple as a child requiring care for a week after being hospitalized for asthma or something - their employer still fired them.

Program after Program found this happened over and over again, it is also the dirty little secret of welfare programs all over the US (and to some degree the Western World).

In the long-term, it is often cheaper for the taxpayer to simply pay a care-giver (usually Mom) to stay home and take care of the children when they are small, rather than pay for all the supports she needs to get the type of job she will be qualified to do.

The exceptions have been programs that have trained some women in trades like construction, plumbing, nursing, and other trades or professions that pay well. But those are few and far between and all those supports have to be provided while the women are studying and training.

So it isn't as simple as "get a job" for many people, you can argue forever that people "shouldn't have children they can't afford," but the end result of that is people not having children and/or having the States build a lot of orphanages and removing such children from their homes.

They told my grandmother that was her only option, because if she hadn't been a "bad mother" her husband would not have left her. They told her to put the kids in an orphanage to be adopted by "worthy families" and for her to go to a workhouse.

She refused, but as I said, the option of taking babies to work, isn't really very practical these days - it might be again if the US falls to real third world status but it isn't there yet.

 

[West]

If the parent that is the main bread winner had the option to get full custody of the kids because they are not on any kind of safety net and in the future does not get on the dole. Or child support. It would cut back a lot on the BS.

A lot of single moms would not ask for a divorce case to be held in the evil Family court systems that rape the bread winners and would cut way back on the welfare mothers.

My first wife got WIC, for our kids, when I insisted, she shouldn't cause I was paying all the bills and then some. But just like her voting for Clinton and the last straw of putting my 6 yo. Son on ADHD drugs, when his only crime was being a normal kid. Grrr.. on a teachers recommendation, and walk in POS doctor.

I was accused of child abuse, because I didn't give him his addreall(Sp), that his mother was also on.

I fought tooth and nail, and spent a lot of money to prove that my son was not ADHD, but after going broke the real child doctor said he needed more time with my son, after spending 40 hours with him, at $100 a hr.

Wife was also a meth head, and thief.

She got rewarded with everything, paid off house, plus alimony and $1500 a month in child support. Plus was on any welfare she could get, plus her part time jobs. Her mother was the babysitter. And since her mother was disabled, she got paid to help her mother.

They both where real welfare professionals. Ex also denied management jobs, cause it would cut into her safety nets, etc..

Sorry for rant.

 

[Melodi]

West, while I'm deeply sorry for your situation and other men who got caught up in this, one of the greatest abuses of the current system came about due to some of the big studies that took place while I was working at AFDC.

A very large study showed that, AT THAT TIME, if non-custodial parents (think fathers) were forced to actually pay their court awarded child support then one-third of women/families on welfare would be immediately off the rolls.

Running with this information, the then administration (Clinton) decided to allow States to "clawback" money spent on welfare parents from the non-custodial parent (aka mostly the Dad).

Even before I quit to get married in 1994, the situation had already gone from "looks good on paper," to states wringing their hands with glee at "all that wonderful money" they could try to get by any means possible.

Judges started awarding child-care payments based on what a man "should" pay even if it was more than his entire income (again this was mostly men, though I knew women it happened to as well). When men were unemployed the demands didn't stop but simply added up.

Then States started going for "back payments" for welfare sometimes years after the children had all turned 18. Then laws were passed that not only grabbed tax refunds but could freeze bank accounts, end professional licenses (so the guy couldn't work), and cancel passports (so no one could leave).

Then some States, like California, actually went after the new spouse of a man caught in these situations, even though she (or more rarely he) had absolutely nothing to do with those children - but they had a job and an income that could be impounded.

This helped vastly increase the rate at which people simply decided not to get legally married (along with bad tax laws, older people losing Social Security, and credit card debts).

While I am all in favor of non-custodial parents paying their fair share for kids they helped create - common sense has to be involved here and expecting people to totally pay back the State for welfare given out 25 years ago, often just ads to the number of adults who simply give up on the system.

Instead of working officially, they have debts they can never pay off and that usually never go away (it can be done, one case while I was working involved a guy who became a total quadriplegic in a care home) but seldom happens.

Sorry for these longer posts guys, but I worked in this system (Federal Level) for nearly five years and it is much more complicated than it looks. I won't even go into the three common types of "welfare mothers" as I've done that before - just say that about 1/3 of women in this situation (at least in the past) are never going to qualify for a job that pays enough to support themselves and their kids - ever.

So the choice is to pay them to care for their kids or build those orphanages, there will never be enough foster homes for all of them.

 

[West]

West, while I'm deeply sorry for your situation and other men who got caught up in this, one of the greatest abuses of the current system came about due to some of the big studies that took place while I was working at AFDC.

A very large study showed that, AT THAT TIME, if non-custodial parents (think fathers) were forced to actually pay their court awarded child support then one-third of women/families on welfare would be immediately off the rolls.

Running with this information, the then administration (Clinton) decided to allow States to "clawback" money spent on welfare parents from the non-custodial parent (aka mostly the Dad).

Even before I quit to get married in 1994, the situation had already gone from "looks good on paper," to states wringing their hands with glee at "all that wonderful money" they could try to get by any means possible.

Judges started awarding child-care payments based on what a man "should" pay even if it was more than his entire income (again this was mostly men, though I knew women it happened to as well). When men were unemployed the demands didn't stop but simply added up.

Then States started going for "back payments" for welfare sometimes years after the children had all turned 18. Then laws were passed that not only grabbed tax refunds but could freeze bank accounts, end professional licenses (so the guy couldn't work), and cancel passports (so no one could leave).

Then some States, like California, actually went after the new spouse of a man caught in these situations, even though she (or more rarely he) had absolutely nothing to do with those children - but they had a job and an income that could be impounded.

This helped vastly increase the rate at which people simply decided not to get legally married (along with bad tax laws, older people losing Social Security, and credit card debts).

While I am all in favor of non-custodial parents paying their fair share for kids they helped create - common sense has to be involved here and expecting people to totally pay back the State for welfare given out 25 years ago, often just ads to the number of adults who simply give up on the system.

Instead of working officially, they have debts they can never pay off and that usually never go away (it can be done, one case while I was working involved a guy who became a total quadriplegic in a care home) but seldom happens.

Sorry for these longer posts guys, but I worked in this system (Federal Level) for nearly five years and it is much more complicated than it looks. I won't even go into the three common types of "welfare mothers" as I've done that before - just say that about 1/3 of women in this situation (at least in the past) are never going to qualify for a job that pays enough to support themselves and their kids - ever.

So the choice is to pay them to care for their kids or build those orphanages, there will never be enough foster homes for all of them.

My ex got WIC and food stamps, plus alimony, Healthcare(MEDCAL) and $1500 a month, plus, plus..

In California. She cheated at every chance she and her mother could get.

And I've not heard any repercussions she should pay.

 

[Melodi]

My ex got WIC and food stamps, plus alimony, Healthcare(MEDCAL) and $1500 a month, plus, plus..

In California. She cheated at every chance she and her mother could get.

And I've not heard any repercussions she should pay.

Like I said it isn't fair, and such cheating is unfortunately likely to continue because some human beings just seem wired that way.

There is also a tendency in human governments not to take a second look at "programs" that "looked good on paper" and reevaluate their outcomes thirty years later, especially if entire industries have grown up around them and lots of different groups are making serious money on them.

It still doesn't mean that WIC is one of the only programs that tend to cost out to be mostly good outcomes and worth the money. Before WIC, there were a lot more problem pregancies and hospitalizations of young babies/children from malnutrition (not hunger but malnutrition). Those medical bills were more expensive than just making sure pregnant women and children have basic access to dairy products, fresh fruit and vegetables, and other limited resources.

If Food stamps/EBT were re-vamped to avoid nearly all ultra-processed foods but extended to personal hygiene products, diapers, toilet paper, shampoo, and laundry soap; the money would go a lot further and the fraud scams harder to pull off.

Again, where you have people you have some fraud (your wife didn't need those programs) but the idea is to limit it - the current EBT systems (and before that food stamps which I have been on) encourage it.

 

[lisa]

Joe is trying to throw money at people because his approval ratings are tanking

 

[kyrsyan]

Joe is trying to throw money at people because his approval ratings are tanking

No. He's pretending to throw money. In reality, not a single !@#*)% thing he said, or has tried, had succeeded. And a generation is getting a thorough education in the fact that politicians lie.

 

[Publius]

Could this be another ploy to give huge amounts of money to illegal aliens?
The court has ruled they are here illegally and therefor not entitled to anything.

 

[hiwall]

Maybe if the inflation stays this high or goes higher, we might see a "bi-partisan" relief bill to give working Americans another stimulus check before the election. I'm not sure if it would fly or not.