CRIME Items belonging to fugitive Brian Laundrie found at Florida park. UPDATE: Human Remains Confirmed as Brian Laundrie

Ragnarok

On and On, South of Heaven
It's clear here that very few here have hooked a floater in summer OR winter. decomp is VERY fast in FL in the late summer/fall. Smell the smell ONE TIME and you NEVER forget it. I mean FRESH stiffs aren't bad. fresh as in this morning or this afternoon, and depending on temp even last night. Get a 4-5-6 day old stiff and you won't ever forget it.

If the weather is VERY warm, you have to be REALLY careful picking up these bodies. Parts fall off.

My only other comment here is that they had to find an intact (more or less) head so they could do dental records because this was WAY too fast for DNA comparisons.

Had a call one night from a mobile unit that there were headlights visible in a deep retention pond on property. Drove out and sure enough... They stayed on for about half an hour until they fizzled and faded out, a very eerie feeling washed over me seeing that.

There was a cop who had been passing by when the car was noticed. He grabbed some rope out of his trunk and headed down to the pond, his intention was to throw the rope to anyone who emerged to help them to shore, but about 20 feet from the edge he stopped and asked, "Are there gators in there?" One of my guys pointed to the "Warning! Alligators!" sign and he beat a hasty retreat.

We waited for 45 minutes until a dive team showed up and pulled a young female from the vehicle.

I've seen dead bodies before but the body of someone who drowned is incredibly disturbing and not something anyone would want to see. The image is still burned in my mind almost a decade later.

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Gold Dust

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None of which they are required by law to do. And since we don't know if Gabby's mother isn't just as crazy as she is ... and yes there are stories out there that the apple didn't fall far from the tree ... and we don't know what Gabby requested or didn't request of the Laundries ... then a lot of the stuff you just wrote doesn't amount to a hill of beans.

None of it would be admissible or could have screwed things up worse than they were.

And no, they did not impede the investigation. Just because you want something to be true doesn't mean it is. People did the same thing with the Zimmerman/Trayvon Martin stupidity.

Both Petito and Laundrie were adults with constitutional rights. Guess you are willing to throw the constitution out when it suits you just so you can demand information that frankly you, nor anyone else, has a right to.

Learn the law, not just the feelz.
I am curious why you are attacking Gabby and her family and cheerleading for the Laundry family.
 

Kathy in FL

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I am curious why you are attacking Gabby and her family and cheerleading for the Laundry family.

I'm not and that is a dumbass thing to say. I am upholding the law which is what everyone should have been doing from the beginning instead of leading with their feelz.

People are making assumptions and they look like complete asses as a result. And likely will contribute to the case being non-prosecutable because they've screwed around so much. Even the bigwigs in media got this wrong because their feelz on the subject was more important than the facts of the case.

People want to sing out CONSTITUTION!! until the rubber hits the road and their personal feelings get involved. Well too freaking bad. You either love the US Constitution or you're a sell out and this is exactly why this country is in the shape it is in.
 
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Kathy in FL

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We may not have proof. But we know.

No. You ASSUME and I hope everyone around here understands the difference. That's why being a juror is so important in this country. You are there to uphold the Constitutional Rights of the accused. If you don't like that then piss off the jury selection team and get thrown out.

I'm finding very few people really understand the Constitution because even on this forum there are so many that want to pitch it out the window when it comes to their feelz on any given subject.

It isn't our Constitution that is broken. It is the people of this country who are.
 

jond911

Contributing Member
No. You ASSUME and I hope everyone around here understands the difference. That's why being a juror is so important in this country. You are there to uphold the Constitutional Rights of the accused. If you don't like that then piss off the jury selection team and get thrown out.

I'm finding very few people really understand the Constitution because even on this forum there are so many that want to pitch it out the window when it comes to their feelz on any given subject.

It isn't our Constitution that is broken. It is the people of this country who are.
God you are annoying!!!
 

Josie

Has No Life - Lives on TB
You may be over thinking this case?

Gabby was strangled. No mystery, no accident involved.

Gabby was strangled only a few hundred feet away from the van that she and Brian shared as their home in an isolated location.
Ya know, I was giving him the benefit of the doubt in the beginning. I thought maybe they were arguing and he shoved her. She fell backwards and hit her head. He panicked and ran home. But when it was determined she was strangled, he lost my sympathy vote. His parents, while I understand their need to protect their offspring, never had my sympathy.

I just find things a bit strange. Park opens, the PARENTS decide they are going to look and the cops get to tag along. They find the items. Body parts are found and identified. All this in 48 hours? Since DNA identification would have taken a week even on speed dial and fingerprints would have been gone at this point, the ID had to be from dental records, so I am assuming that there was enough intact jaw. It took longer to identify Gabby's remains and I'm sure, looking at her smile, she had dental records too.
 

Kathy in FL

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Ya know, I was giving him the benefit of the doubt in the beginning. I thought maybe they were arguing and he shoved her. She fell backwards and hit her head. He panicked and ran home. But when it was determined she was strangled, he lost my sympathy vote. His parents, while I understand their need to protect their offspring, never had my sympathy.

I just find things a bit strange. Park opens, the PARENTS decide they are going to look and the cops get to tag along. They find the items. Body parts are found and identified. All this in 48 hours? Since DNA identification would have taken a week even on speed dial and fingerprints would have been gone at this point, the ID had to be from dental records, so I am assuming that there was enough intact jaw. It took longer to identify Gabby's remains and I'm sure, looking at her smile, she had dental records too.

As for the difference in time between identifications, understand you are dealing with two different states and with two different capabilities/staff size.

The Tampa FBI as well as the other Tampa assets that were pulled into this are much bigger than what they say was available in the area that Petito's body was found. The condition of the skeletal remains of the two bodies was probably different as well. We don't know what was left of Petito's body, how far it was scattered, if there was animal depredation, degree of decomp though it apparently took them a number of weeks to find the body despite laying in the open in a well-used area, etc. Laundrie's body was submerged for a month (they haven't confirmed that so I'm making a bit of an assumption here since the area was underwater for that same period of time based on previous search), and may be somewhat more intact because of this. Although "intact" is all relative. I just mean his skeletal remains would be in roughly the same area though most of the soft tissue was probably gone or pretty damn gross.

The only thing "strange" is that it took them as long as it did to find Petito's remains given the area was pretty popular for boondocking and the like.

The Laundries (the parents) couldn't fart without someone smelling it they were so covered by bloggers and media types. Literally every time they opened there door there was a screaming headline about it. "OMG! They took the garbage to the end of the road and then walked back into the house without saying a word!" If people think the national news has covered this more than Biden's idiocy, try being more local to it. Twenty. Four. Seven. And the rumor mills got almost zero correct. And then to see it played out by otherwise normally level headed people (e.g., Judge J) who claim to be Constitution supporters? Disgusting.

By the way, not to put a whole lot of credence in it since there has been no verification, but Petito's family has been making bank with interviews they've given. And it is freaky as hell to see how closely the step-dad and Brian Laundrie appear to be in looks in some of the photos. Ew. I don't know if the media is doing it on purpose or what. Or maybe that is another sympton of Brian Laundrie's personal issues ... or maybe Petito's personal issues. Who knows? It is worth as much conjecture as some other stuff discussed on this thread.

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Kayak

Adrenaline Junkie
Gabby's remains were found in a locality that doesn't have murders, and they weren't equipped to deal with it. It took a while.

Not the same case with Brian's remains, so we know faster.

One of the things we know for sure is that Gabby was abusive and Brian the victim while they were alive. We have her admitting to hitting him, and can see where she scratched his face, on camera.

We also know he left her and went back to Florida, and returned just a few days before the infamous traffic stop. The official reason was to help move things into or out of storage, but that makes zero sense. It would've been cheaper to hire movers than to pay airfare back and forth. So, logic tells us they were having problems and he went back after leaving her.

There are rumors of her seeing someone else, but we don't know that for certain, other than the girlfriend she met online who was into serious drugs.

I think there's probably a fifty percent chance Brian accidentally killed her in the heat of the moment, but I also think there's a fifty percent chance someone killed her while he was off hiking.
 

Countrymouse

Country exile in the city
I'm not and that is a dumbass thing to say. I am upholding the law which is what everyone should have been doing from the beginning instead of leading with their feelz.

People are making assumptions and they look like complete asses as a result. And likely will contribute to the case being non-prosecutable because they've screwed around so much. Even the bigwigs in media got this wrong because their feelz on the subject was more important than the facts of the case.

People want to sing out CONSTITUTION!! until the rubber hits the road and their personal feelings get involved. Well too freaking bad. You either love the US Constitution or you're a sell out and this is exactly why this country is in the shape it is in.


Abortion is ALSO a "law".

But it is neither RIGHT, nor MORAL, nor JUST.

That is what I meant earlier.

MAN's law does NOT equal GOD's law.

If this IS Brian Laundrie (and many things about this "find" are irregular at best and suspicious at worst), then at least I'm comforted in knowing the One Righteous Judge has his case in HIS hands, now.

And--unlike many people who think they can BS God---he is facing a sentence of TRUE Justice (yet also with perfect Mercy) which he cannot evade, escape, or get his parents to "buy off."

You are concerned about justice for Brian.

I am concerned about justice for GABBY.

God is concerned about JUSTICE, period.

And that is a comforting thought.
 
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Countrymouse

Country exile in the city
None of which they are required by law to do. And since we don't know if Gabby's mother isn't just as crazy as she is ... and yes there are stories out there that the apple didn't fall far from the tree ... and we don't know what Gabby requested or didn't request of the Laundries ... then a lot of the stuff you just wrote doesn't amount to a hill of beans.

None of it would be admissible or could have screwed things up worse than they were.

And no, they did not impede the investigation. Just because you want something to be true doesn't mean it is. People did the same thing with the Zimmerman/Trayvon Martin stupidity.

Both Petito and Laundrie were adults with constitutional rights. Guess you are willing to throw the constitution out when it suits you just so you can demand information that frankly you, nor anyone else, has a right to.

Learn the law, not just the feelz.

Not cooperating with an investigation, when you HAVE knowledge pertinent to it, IS impeding the investigation.
 

Faroe

Un-spun
Abortion is ALSO a "law".

But it is neither RIGHT, nor MORAL, nor JUST.

That is what I meant earlier.

MAN's law does NOT equal GOD's law.

If this IS Brian Laundrie (and many things about this "find" are irregular at best and suspicious at worst), then at least I'm comforted in knowing the One Righteous Judge has his case in HIS hands, now.

And--unlike many people who think they can BS God---he is facing a sentence of TRUE Justice (yet also with perfect Mercy) which he cannot evade, escape, or get his parents to "buy off."

You are concerned about justice for Brian.

I am concerned about justice tor GABBY.

God is concerned about JUSTICE, period.

And that is a comforting thought.
All of which is beside the point, CM.
Let God sort it out. We don't have enough information.
Maybe that will change, maybe it won't.
 

Josie

Has No Life - Lives on TB
The only thing "strange" is that it took them as long as it did to find Petito's remains given the area was pretty popular for boondocking and the like.
Not really. It was about a week before they even started to look for Gabby. They had no idea of exactly where to even look for sure until that one woman reported and filmed the van the two were sharing. Without that, they'd probably still be searching. Grand Teton National Park is absolutely huge with many "nooks and crannies."
The Laundries (the parents) couldn't fart without someone smelling it they were so covered by bloggers and media types.
Maybe that's how it was presented in Florida but all mention of her had pretty much died out until this "find" around here in flyover country.
And it is freaky as hell to see how closely the step-dad and Brian Laundrie appear to be in looks in some of the photos. Ew.
Gotta agree with you there. What's really freaking is that I'm not looking at every guy with a shaved head twice!
 

Faroe

Un-spun
That is actually creepy.
So, possibly Gabby's volitle relationship stemmed from step-daddy issues.
Was there anything shameful she was supposed to keep quite about?
Brian's instability would make him a convenient fall guy.
Did the police devote any time to investigating the step-father?

JUST SPECULATION.
 

Countrymouse

Country exile in the city
All of which is beside the point, CM.
Let God sort it out. We don't have enough information.
Maybe that will change, maybe it won't.

"beside the point" yes if we're discussing whether Brian L can reasonably be seen as a suspect in Gabby's death (only circumstantial evidence--but then that was enough to try OJ, though he walked)

But was not beside the point for the discussion between Kathy & me as to "the letter of the law" vs "the spirit of the law" and also (what appears to be her position) that anything that is codified in "law" is therefore perfect and right. I disagree with that position. Slavery used to be codified in law, and no one would agree that was right. Abortion currently is, and so my argument to that for today is very applicable as well.

But I'll let that discussion drop. I just wish this blind "we MUST do so-and-so because it is the LAW" discussion would stop.

Some laws are truly BAD laws.
 

elleyshay

Contributing Member
Has Gabby's phone ever been found? Do we know for sure Brian had possession of her phone? I know her family is suspicious of the last two texts sent from her phone.
 

Kathy in FL

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Basically he was fish food and gator bait. Surprised they found anything after over thirty days under water. Sad - sad - sad.



Not necessarily true. They managed to resurrect diaries and such from the Titanic after decades underwater. Soooo they might be able to pull up something. Maybe, maybe not.

Didn't know that about the titanic. Interesting. Will have to do some research on one of the insomniac nights. LOL More superfluous trivia for the brain pan.
 

SmithJ

Veteran Member
No. You ASSUME and I hope everyone around here understands the difference. That's why being a juror is so important in this country. You are there to uphold the Constitutional Rights of the accused. If you don't like that then piss off the jury selection team and get thrown out.

I'm finding very few people really understand the Constitution because even on this forum there are so many that want to pitch it out the window when it comes to their feelz on any given subject.

It isn't our Constitution that is broken. It is the people of this country who are.
He choked that girl to death and left her laying in the dirt 200 yards from their van right outside where their tent was set up.

Anyone that's honest with themselves KNOWS that's what happened.

It has nothing to do with law, jury, constitution, or country. I'm not voting to convict, abuse his rights, or uphold his rights.

But I'm honest enough to admit to myself that I know he killed her; Frankly, we all know that, whether we admit it or not.

And fortunately, through fate, happenstance or just good f'n luck, he got what he deserved.
 

Kathy in FL

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He choked that girl to death and left her laying in the dirt 200 yards from their van right outside where their tent was set up.

Anyone that's honest with themselves KNOWS that's what happened.

It has nothing to do with law, jury, constitution, or country. I'm not voting to convict, abuse his rights, or uphold his rights.

But I'm honest enough to admit to myself that I know he killed her; Frankly, we all know that, whether we admit it or not.

And fortunately, through fate, happenstance or just good f'n luck, he got what he deserved.

Not by the law do we know. They couldn’t even pull enough evidence to get a warrant. And if they had taken what they have to court he would have been found innocent due to that phrase, beyond a reasonable doubt. With that he would not have ever been able to be arrested, charged, or convicted if they did find physical evidence because of the legal principle of Double Jeopardy.

What we have here is an issue of feeeelings. You do not win a case on feeeelings. Because what happens is if you get luckily and win your case you lose on appeal. And then you run into double jeopardy again.

You need an unemotional, logical, non-assumptive process if you want to win. Best way to hand a defense attorney a win is to get caught up in the feelz, not pay attention to the law, and jump the gun on your warrant especially if it is to appease the court of public opinion.

Nearly 26 years I have never lost a case and I am in court multiple times a year. Even when you are pissed off and think there is no way you can lose you MUST stick with the facts and only the facts. If the jury doesn’t get you the judge will.
 

SmithJ

Veteran Member
Not by the law do we know. They couldn’t even pull enough evidence to get a warrant. And if they had taken what they have to court he would have been found innocent due to that phrase, beyond a reasonable doubt. With that he would not have ever been able to be arrested, charged, or convicted if they did find physical evidence because of the legal principle of Double Jeopardy.

What we have here is an issue of feeeelings. You do not win a case on feeeelings. Because what happens is if you get luckily and win your case you lose on appeal. And then you run into double jeopardy again.

You need an unemotional, logical, non-assumptive process if you want to win. Best way to hand a defense attorney a win is to get caught up in the feelz, not pay attention to the law, and jump the gun on your warrant especially if it is to appease the court of public opinion.

Nearly 26 years I have never lost a case and I am in court multiple times a year. Even when you are pissed off and think there is no way you can lose you MUST stick with the facts and only the facts. If the jury doesn’t get you the judge will.
None of what you say is relevant to the conversation.

There is no warrant, there is no trial, there is no need for proof, there is no opportunity for conviction or winning or losing.

I don’t care whether he would have been convicted. In fact, he possibly would have went free. That has absolutely nothing to do with knowing he killed her.

I don’t believe anyone (certainly not me) has made any reference to proving or even wanting to prove anything in court. You are arguing against an argument that’s not even been made.
 

Kathy in FL

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None of what you say is relevant to the conversation.

There is no warrant, there is no trial, there is no need for proof, there is no opportunity for conviction or winning or losing.

I don’t care whether he would have been convicted. In fact, he possibly would have went free. That has absolutely nothing to do with knowing he killed her.

I don’t believe anyone (certainly not me) has made any reference to proving or even wanting to prove anything in court. You are arguing against an argument that’s not even been made.

If the Petito’s go through with a civil action, which has been suggested because they want to know what happened they won’t have much success. Plus I don’t know what the law is on CO butwith an open investigation still under way into Petito’s death Laundrie’s death may not close it. The Petito’s and Laundrie’s better not let their guards down just yet.

Assuming anything unusual can be found in the notebook it could turn against one or the other parties involved.
 

SmithJ

Veteran Member
If the Petito’s go through with a civil action, which has been suggested because they want to know what happened they won’t have much success. Plus I don’t know what the law is on CO butwith an open investigation still under way into Petito’s death Laundrie’s death may not close it. The Petito’s and Laundrie’s better not let their guards down just yet.

Assuming anything unusual can be found in the notebook it could turn against one or the other parties involved.
Any civil action that may or may not happen that deals with proof in court, again really doesn’t affect knowing that he killing gabby.

But regardless of that, if there is a civil case they’ll be dealing with a preponderance of the evidence standard (50.1%) which should not be as difficult to overcome, but in reality it seems many jurors tend to misinterpret and hold to a higher standard regardless of instruction.

But I have no idea what the action would be for. I haven’t seen anything to sue his parents for. But I haven’t paid much attention to that.
 

Kathy in FL

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But I have no idea what the action would be for. I haven’t seen anything to sue his parents for. But I haven’t paid much attention to that.

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There are some things floating around but they aren’t my business. I just hope the bloodsucking lawyer types don’t play the Petito’s for fools. They don’t have much to stand on here in Florida.
 

Countrymouse

Country exile in the city
Not by the law do we know. They couldn’t even pull enough evidence to get a warrant. And if they had taken what they have to court he would have been found innocent due to that phrase, beyond a reasonable doubt. With that he would not have ever been able to be arrested, charged, or convicted if they did find physical evidence because of the legal principle of Double Jeopardy.

What we have here is an issue of feeeelings. You do not win a case on feeeelings. Because what happens is if you get luckily and win your case you lose on appeal. And then you run into double jeopardy again.

You need an unemotional, logical, non-assumptive process if you want to win. Best way to hand a defense attorney a win is to get caught up in the feelz, not pay attention to the law, and jump the gun on your warrant especially if it is to appease the court of public opinion.

Nearly 26 years I have never lost a case and I am in court multiple times a year. Even when you are pissed off and think there is no way you can lose you MUST stick with the facts and only the facts. If the jury doesn’t get you the judge will.


You are a lawyer? I thought you were a business owner (from past posts, who has a lot of rental properties, it appears)
 

Kathy in FL

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You are a lawyer? I thought you were a business owner (from past posts, who has a lot of rental properties, it appears)

As a landlord I represent us in many cases but I did study law for a while before deciding on a different path. Snort. Education which I then decided that I needed to raise and educate my own children before raising and educating other people's kids.

With nearly 26 years of experience and a minimum of 3 evictions and numerous filings every year ... and there have been a couple of "bad" years when it was more than that ... plus all of the legal crap I've been through with the county and state that I also represented us (and won), you learn how the court system works. Including civil, bureaucratic, and criminal. If you don't learn you lose. I won a few cases with the county and state that no one expected me to win. LOL No biggie, just stick to the facts and the facts only instead of emotionalizing things. Those shows on tv? They lie and give a false impression of our court cases work. Those cop shows on tv? Same thing. They lie and give a false impression of how real investigations work so that warrants and prosecutions can be won.

I call 'em like I see 'em. You lead with your emotions and assumptions, you will lose. You allow emotion to cloud your judgment you screw up an investigation and potentially the ability to get a warrant.

While I freely admit that all of my cases that I've personally represented us in have been civil, I've also been involved in criminal prosecution cases where either I was called for deposition or was used as a source in an investigation. The principles of the law are the same as are the strategies used to win a case. It isn't necessarily rocket science, you just have to stick to the facts and evidence (not hearsay or assumptions).

Leading with your emotions is generally what the accused or defendant does, not what investigators or prosecutors should be doing if they want to win a conviction. You can't retry once someone has been found innocent because you wind up with Double Jeopardy.
 
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Meemur

Voice on the Prairie / FJB!
Facts? They were both misfits, they hooked up and now they are both DEAD.
Write it off.

Yes, I'm just about ready to walk away. The story caught my attention because I wondered how long soy boy would last on the run.

I still think someone else took soy boy's life: he was too much of a coward to do it himself.

But we'll probably never know.
 

Faroe

Un-spun
Yes, I'm just about ready to walk away. The story caught my attention because I wondered how long soy boy would last on the run.

I still think someone else took soy boy's life: he was too much of a coward to do it himself.

But we'll probably never know.
Perhaps got himself into trouble again, with an entirely new set of people, while on the run. Quite the loose cannon.
 

Meemur

Voice on the Prairie / FJB!
Perhaps got himself into trouble again while on the run. Quite the loose cannon.

That wouldn't surprise me, either. I would also like to know what Dog found. I suspect he was onto something and then he got paid big bucks to back off and shut up.
 

Kathy in FL

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At least he was found in pieces.

She probably was as well. It took a month+ for both corpses to be found. No way did she look like Sleeping Beauty anymore than Laundrie looked ... er ... never mind. I've seen corpses. Be glad if you haven't. You can definitely tell when the soul has left the body. There is a "no one is home" vibe that is impossible to mistake.

And then if the corpse as some age on it. Ew. Just ... ew.
 

Mtsilverback

Veteran Member
She probably was as well. It took a month+ for both corpses to be found. No way did she look like Sleeping Beauty anymore than Laundrie looked ... er ... never mind. I've seen corpses. Be glad if you haven't. You can definitely tell when the soul has left the body. There is a "no one is home" vibe that is impossible to mistake.

And then if the corpse as some age on it. Ew. Just ... ew.

30+ years !
 
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