CRIME Items belonging to fugitive Brian Laundrie found at Florida park. UPDATE: Human Remains Confirmed as Brian Laundrie
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thompson
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They found the bag, with a news journalist filming the whole thing. They did NOT find the remains. Law enforcement found the remains.
They also didn't find the backpack or notebook. The FBI said the LEO/FBI found those items along with the remains. Fairly decent time line at this article with quotes from officials as to what, when, and who. They had a reporter trailing them the entire time, that's why there are so many pictures of what was going on.
People need to stop making stupid stuff up. There are enough verifiable facts out there to prove the parents didn't help the son escape, that the son never left the area, and that all of the sightings and theories, including those proffered by Judge Jeanine, were and are over emotional need for people to "prove" their theories.
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Countrymouse
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Just one question, if some of you who've been keeping up with this better than I have the answer:
I remember reading that Brian's parents used to work in law enforcement.
Does anyone know exactly WHAT they did? For example---were they criminal investigators?
I would really, really like to know.
And---sorry if it sounds cruel, BUT---
if THEY had cooperated with the police...
if they had allowed their SON to talk to the police (instead of immediately hiring a high-powered lawyer)...
yes, he might have been arrested--
but he'd be sitting safe and VERY ALIVE in a jail cell today.
There is a picture of the reserve in this article. Also note what searchers were using and doing.
Carlton Reserve's swampy landscape made the search for Brian Laundrie treacherous
By Eric Levenson, CNN 16 mins ago
For more than a month, investigators spread out across a sprawling, swampy Florida nature area known as the Carlton Reserve in search of Brian Laundrie, the missing man whose fiancée Gabby Petito was strangled.
© Drone footage shows the Carlton Reserve in Venice, Florida, on October 8, 2021.
The searchers waded through near chest-high waters. They rode on swamp buggies and air boats and called in underwater dive teams to explore the reserve's 25,000 acres. And they tried to avoid the many venomous snakes, gators, palmetto bugs and swarms of mosquitoes that call the swamp home.
On Wednesday, several searchers, including Laundrie's parents, finally found what they had been looking for: human remains, as well as a backpack and notebook belonging to Laundrie, according to the FBI.
On Thursday, the FBI said dental records confirmed the remains are those of Laundrie. Officials said they appear to have been there for some time.
The remains were found "about 2 to 3 miles inside the Carlton Reserve, or about a 45-minute walk" from the entrance at Myakkahatchee Creek Environmental Park, a connected nature area, North Port police spokesperson Josh Taylor said.
The discovery came at an area of the reserve that had been underwater, but recently dried out due to clearer weather, and had reopened to the public a day earlier. The search remains ongoing as teams of K-9s and law enforcement continued to comb for any more evidence.
Lee County Sheriff Carmine Marceno visited the reserve Thursday and saw firsthand the "treacherous" conditions of the search.
"These are very, very difficult conditions," he said. "You're searching in areas that you just can't walk up and look. It's not like you're searching a house or a car. These areas are huge and they're covered by water."
The challenging landscape of the Carlton Reserve has hampered the search for Laundrie as investigators have tried to pin down what happened to him and Petito on their road trip through the Western US this summer.
Petito, 22, disappeared on the trip amid tensions in their relationship, and Laundrie, 23, returned by himself to his parents' home in Florida on September 1.
Her parents, unable to get in contact with her, reported her missing 10 days later. Laundrie, meanwhile, declined to speak with authorities and then himself went missing in the reserve, his parents told authorities. Petito's body was ultimately found in Wyoming near where the couple had last been seen, and the Teton County Coroner ruled her death a homicide by manual strangulation.
He was not charged in her death, although he was indicted for allegedly using two financial accounts that were hers in the days following her killing.
How the Carlton Reserve impacted the search
The search for Laundrie began in earnest on September 17 after his parents told authorities he had gone to the Carlton Reserve with a backpack days earlier and did not return home. [MORE THAN LIKELY MEANS THAT HE'S BEEN DEAD OVER A MONTH AND ALL OF THE CHEST THUMPING AND FAUX WEEPING BY ALL OF THE BLOGGERS/VLOGGERS WAS NOTHING BUT A STUNT FOR THEIR MONETIZED YOUTUBES, ETC.]
Since then, investigators have repeatedly tried to navigate through the foreboding landscape of the reserve.
"The Carlton Reserve is a vast and unforgiving location at times. It is currently (waist) deep in water in many areas," North Port police said in a Facebook post last month. "This is dangerous work for the search crews as they are wading through gator and snake infested swamps and flooded hiking and biking trails."
The search team has included a range of specialized vehicles and personnel for such an environment.
"We're looking through wooded areas, we're looking through bodies of water, we're looking through swampy areas," North Point Police Commander Joe Fussell said last month. "And we're deploying the resources to be able to do that. We have air units, we have drones, we have the swamp buggies, air boats, multiple law enforcement agencies, we have ATVs, we have UTVs and we have officers on foot as well."
Given those tricky conditions, expert survivalists expressed skepticism that Laundrie was still in the reserve.
Alan McEwen, a cattle rancher and outdoorsman who lives near the reserve, told CNN last week the area feels like "muck," with parts of the reserve reaching knee- and waist-deep water levels -- making camping in that wilderness extremely difficult.
"The palmettos out there alone are enough to trip you up, when you're walking through them, when you stumble through them," McEwen told CNN's Chris Cuomo. "The mosquitoes will carry you off, anybody out there more than a day without mosquito spray, you'd go insane with the bugs getting you and everything else."
© WFTS A cadaver dog searches the Carlton Reserve for remains on October 20 in North Port.
© Mark Taylor/Getty Images Police tape restricts access to Myakkahatchee Creek Environmental Park on October 20.
Carlton Reserve's swampy landscape made the search for Brian Laundrie treacherous
By Eric Levenson, CNN 16 mins ago
For more than a month, investigators spread out across a sprawling, swampy Florida nature area known as the Carlton Reserve in search of Brian Laundrie, the missing man whose fiancée Gabby Petito was strangled.
© Drone footage shows the Carlton Reserve in Venice, Florida, on October 8, 2021.
The searchers waded through near chest-high waters. They rode on swamp buggies and air boats and called in underwater dive teams to explore the reserve's 25,000 acres. And they tried to avoid the many venomous snakes, gators, palmetto bugs and swarms of mosquitoes that call the swamp home.
On Wednesday, several searchers, including Laundrie's parents, finally found what they had been looking for: human remains, as well as a backpack and notebook belonging to Laundrie, according to the FBI.
On Thursday, the FBI said dental records confirmed the remains are those of Laundrie. Officials said they appear to have been there for some time.
The remains were found "about 2 to 3 miles inside the Carlton Reserve, or about a 45-minute walk" from the entrance at Myakkahatchee Creek Environmental Park, a connected nature area, North Port police spokesperson Josh Taylor said.
The discovery came at an area of the reserve that had been underwater, but recently dried out due to clearer weather, and had reopened to the public a day earlier. The search remains ongoing as teams of K-9s and law enforcement continued to comb for any more evidence.
Lee County Sheriff Carmine Marceno visited the reserve Thursday and saw firsthand the "treacherous" conditions of the search.
"These are very, very difficult conditions," he said. "You're searching in areas that you just can't walk up and look. It's not like you're searching a house or a car. These areas are huge and they're covered by water."
The challenging landscape of the Carlton Reserve has hampered the search for Laundrie as investigators have tried to pin down what happened to him and Petito on their road trip through the Western US this summer.
Petito, 22, disappeared on the trip amid tensions in their relationship, and Laundrie, 23, returned by himself to his parents' home in Florida on September 1.
Her parents, unable to get in contact with her, reported her missing 10 days later. Laundrie, meanwhile, declined to speak with authorities and then himself went missing in the reserve, his parents told authorities. Petito's body was ultimately found in Wyoming near where the couple had last been seen, and the Teton County Coroner ruled her death a homicide by manual strangulation.
He was not charged in her death, although he was indicted for allegedly using two financial accounts that were hers in the days following her killing.
How the Carlton Reserve impacted the search
The search for Laundrie began in earnest on September 17 after his parents told authorities he had gone to the Carlton Reserve with a backpack days earlier and did not return home. [MORE THAN LIKELY MEANS THAT HE'S BEEN DEAD OVER A MONTH AND ALL OF THE CHEST THUMPING AND FAUX WEEPING BY ALL OF THE BLOGGERS/VLOGGERS WAS NOTHING BUT A STUNT FOR THEIR MONETIZED YOUTUBES, ETC.]
Since then, investigators have repeatedly tried to navigate through the foreboding landscape of the reserve.
"The Carlton Reserve is a vast and unforgiving location at times. It is currently (waist) deep in water in many areas," North Port police said in a Facebook post last month. "This is dangerous work for the search crews as they are wading through gator and snake infested swamps and flooded hiking and biking trails."
The search team has included a range of specialized vehicles and personnel for such an environment.
"We're looking through wooded areas, we're looking through bodies of water, we're looking through swampy areas," North Point Police Commander Joe Fussell said last month. "And we're deploying the resources to be able to do that. We have air units, we have drones, we have the swamp buggies, air boats, multiple law enforcement agencies, we have ATVs, we have UTVs and we have officers on foot as well."
Given those tricky conditions, expert survivalists expressed skepticism that Laundrie was still in the reserve.
Alan McEwen, a cattle rancher and outdoorsman who lives near the reserve, told CNN last week the area feels like "muck," with parts of the reserve reaching knee- and waist-deep water levels -- making camping in that wilderness extremely difficult.
"The palmettos out there alone are enough to trip you up, when you're walking through them, when you stumble through them," McEwen told CNN's Chris Cuomo. "The mosquitoes will carry you off, anybody out there more than a day without mosquito spray, you'd go insane with the bugs getting you and everything else."
© WFTS A cadaver dog searches the Carlton Reserve for remains on October 20 in North Port.
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Countrymouse
Country exile in the city
I know what the parents DID do.
They refused to answer repeated phone calls and emails from Gabby's panic-stricken mother when HE came home in HER car, WITHOUT her, and refused to talk about where she was or when he last saw her.
They refused to talk to either Gabby's mother OR the police about anything to do with their son coming home w/o his 'fiance', and did NOTHING AT ALL to assist in the SEARCH for her.
They refused to assist at all in the police investigation of Gabby's disappearance.
They immediately hired a lawyer for their son as soon as Gabby's mom reported her being missing to the police.
They refused to allow the police to speak to their son.
They refused to allow the police to search their son's room, possessions, or Gabby's van (which they illegally had possession of--it was not their son's van, it was hers---no matter WHO was paying for it.)
They did not notify the police of their son leaving home until two weeks after he was GONE (if memory serves).
In short, they did all they could to impede this investigation---and the ONLY logical reason for them doing that was to protect their son.
(if this IS him---and yes I guess I am too cynical as well) then he's dead in part BECAUSE they tried SO HARD to suppress and hide whatever information Brian could have given Gabby's parents and the police.
night driver
ESFP adrift in INTJ sea
It's clear here that very few here have hooked a floater in summer OR winter. decomp is VERY fast in FL in the late summer/fall. Smell the smell ONE TIME and you NEVER forget it. I mean FRESH stiffs aren't bad. fresh as in this morning or this afternoon, and depending on temp even last night. Get a 4-5-6 day old stiff and you won't ever forget it.
If the weather is VERY warm, you have to be REALLY careful picking up these bodies. Parts fall off.
My only other comment here is that they had to find an intact (more or less) head so they could do dental records because this was WAY too fast for DNA comparisons.
If the weather is VERY warm, you have to be REALLY careful picking up these bodies. Parts fall off.
My only other comment here is that they had to find an intact (more or less) head so they could do dental records because this was WAY too fast for DNA comparisons.
dawgofwar10
Veteran Member
Hard as heck to beat Snoopy…
TxGal
Day by day
Any journals/notebooks, if not in waterproof bags, may not be of any help. It would be nice if there was a written journal by him that detailed the what, why, etc. I don't know if it would help the families find any closure, but at least everyone knows now he's not out there on the run. That part is over.
None of which they are required by law to do. And since we don't know if Gabby's mother isn't just as crazy as she is ... and yes there are stories out there that the apple didn't fall far from the tree ... and we don't know what Gabby requested or didn't request of the Laundries ... then a lot of the stuff you just wrote doesn't amount to a hill of beans.
None of it would be admissible or could have screwed things up worse than they were.
And no, they did not impede the investigation. Just because you want something to be true doesn't mean it is. People did the same thing with the Zimmerman/Trayvon Martin stupidity.
Both Petito and Laundrie were adults with constitutional rights. Guess you are willing to throw the constitution out when it suits you just so you can demand information that frankly you, nor anyone else, has a right to.
Learn the law, not just the feelz.
dawgofwar10
Veteran Member
That is why there are No Elks left in Florida.
Someone had to take the Laundry out!!
Unless the notebook was well up a tree, after a month underwater you can forget most of the content. Not even sharpie is going to survive that. The notebook, maybe, but not the contents. The paper inside it was probably little more than pulp ... as in paper mache.
Countrymouse
Country exile in the city
I heard the parents. I believe that's mentioned in Post 109 above.
And-- I'm sorry---but I find it VERY ODD that the Feds look in this park for WEEKS, and the parents go in with the Feds the FIRST time and walk right up TO the very spot........
I can't help but acknowledge the truth of the below:
ShadowMan
Designated Grumpy Old Fart
Basically he was fish food and gator bait. Surprised they found anything after over thirty days under water. Sad - sad - sad.
Not necessarily true. They managed to resurrect diaries and such from the Titanic after decades underwater. Soooo they might be able to pull up something. Maybe, maybe not.
Not necessarily true. They managed to resurrect diaries and such from the Titanic after decades underwater. Soooo they might be able to pull up something. Maybe, maybe not.
cyberiot
Rimtas žmogus
I am troubled by the information in this excerpt from CNN. Bold emphasis mine.
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Laundrie's family had declined to talk publicly following legal advice, but they had directed authorities to where they believed Laundrie may be staying in the reserve, Bertolino said.
The parents joined in the search Wednesday morning and found a bag belonging to their son at the park, which their attorney described as "happenstance."
According to Bertolino, Laundrie's parents informed the FBI and the North Port Police Department on Tuesday night that they wanted to visit the park Wednesday morning to search for their son.
Law enforcement met them there and closely accompanied them as they entered the park, Bertolino said.
"As they went further in, Chris ventured off the trail into the woods. He was zigzagging in different areas, law enforcement was doing the same thing. And Roberta Laundrie was walking down the trail," Bertolino said. "At some point, Chris locates what's called a dry bag. The dry bag is a white bag, laying in the woods, say 20 feet or so off the trail."
The dry bag was in some brambles and he didn't want to move it because he wanted his law enforcement to see it, Bertolino said. However, Chris Laundrie couldn't find law enforcement and didn't want to leave the bag there with a news reporter standing nearby, so he picked it up, Bertolino explained.
"He did meet up shortly with law enforcement, they looked at the contents of the bag. At that time, law enforcement officers showed him a picture on the phone of a backpack that law enforcement had located also nearby and also some distance off the trail," Bertolino told CNN.
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Laundrie's family had declined to talk publicly following legal advice, but they had directed authorities to where they believed Laundrie may be staying in the reserve, Bertolino said.
The parents joined in the search Wednesday morning and found a bag belonging to their son at the park, which their attorney described as "happenstance."
According to Bertolino, Laundrie's parents informed the FBI and the North Port Police Department on Tuesday night that they wanted to visit the park Wednesday morning to search for their son.
Law enforcement met them there and closely accompanied them as they entered the park, Bertolino said.
"As they went further in, Chris ventured off the trail into the woods. He was zigzagging in different areas, law enforcement was doing the same thing. And Roberta Laundrie was walking down the trail," Bertolino said. "At some point, Chris locates what's called a dry bag. The dry bag is a white bag, laying in the woods, say 20 feet or so off the trail."
The dry bag was in some brambles and he didn't want to move it because he wanted his law enforcement to see it, Bertolino said. However, Chris Laundrie couldn't find law enforcement and didn't want to leave the bag there with a news reporter standing nearby, so he picked it up, Bertolino explained.
"He did meet up shortly with law enforcement, they looked at the contents of the bag. At that time, law enforcement officers showed him a picture on the phone of a backpack that law enforcement had located also nearby and also some distance off the trail," Bertolino told CNN.
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Read the complete article here:
Dental records show remains found at Carlton Reserve are those of Brian Laundrie, FBI says | CNN
The FBI's Denver office said Thursday that remains found in a Florida nature reserve are those of Brian Laundrie, who went missing last month. The FBI said dental records confirmed the identification.
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Countrymouse
Country exile in the city
I must admit that I'm truly puzzled as to why you seem to feel so much sympathy for Brian and his parents, and apparently none for Gabby and her's.
At the very least, it IS a proven fact (since it was confirmed by witnesses and on video) that Laundrie was hitting Gabby during that fight with her (despite all the 'speculation' as to what 'she must have done to DESERVE it' on this board) --
and I'm sorry but I'm southern enough that I have zilch respect for a MAN that hits a WOMAN.
I just don't get your obvious bias toward him being innocent and his parents pure as the driven snow---
with so much evidence from their own actions to the contrary.....
...or had to wade in the putrid grease slick a body leaves on the surface of a pond after a few days in order to float the body back to land.
I had one guys jaw completely fall off when dragging him out of the woods and he had only been dead a week. The clothing protects what it covers for a few days (very few, like 2) after all exposed skin is turned to fluid and eaten by the bugs.
Countrymouse
Country exile in the city
I am troubled by the information in this excerpt from CNN. Bold emphasis mine.
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Laundrie's family had declined to talk publicly following legal advice, but they had directed authorities to where they believed Laundrie may be staying in the reserve, Bertolino said.
The parents joined in the search Wednesday morning and found a bag belonging to their son at the park, which their attorney described as "happenstance."
According to Bertolino, Laundrie's parents informed the FBI and the North Port Police Department on Tuesday night that they wanted to visit the park Wednesday morning to search for their son.
Law enforcement met them there and closely accompanied them as they entered the park, Bertolino said.
"As they went further in, Chris ventured off the trail into the woods. He was zigzagging in different areas, law enforcement was doing the same thing. And Roberta Laundrie was walking down the trail," Bertolino said. "At some point, Chris locates what's called a dry bag. The dry bag is a white bag, laying in the woods, say 20 feet or so off the trail."
The dry bag was in some brambles and he didn't want to move it because he wanted his law enforcement to see it, Bertolino said. However, Chris Laundrie couldn't find law enforcement and didn't want to leave the bag there with a news reporter standing nearby, so he picked it up, Bertolino explained.
"He did meet up shortly with law enforcement, they looked at the contents of the bag. At that time, law enforcement officers showed him a picture on the phone of a backpack that law enforcement had located also nearby and also some distance off the trail," Bertolino told CNN.
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Read the complete article here:
Dental records show remains found at Carlton Reserve are those of Brian Laundrie, FBI says | CNN
The FBI's Denver office said Thursday that remains found in a Florida nature reserve are those of Brian Laundrie, who went missing last month. The FBI said dental records confirmed the identification.
I believe that would be called "evidence tampering."
This body they found isn't the ONLY thing that "stinks" about all this.............
are these parents politically powerful there in Florida or something?
I'm still curious about the case.
Reports stated they BOTH were nuts. I'm not convinced he killed her. I can also understand his parents not wanting to have ANYTHING to do with Gabby's hysterical accusing parents. We've probably just heard the end of it, but I wonder if she died by and odd accident, or if someone else was involved. Additionally, we may never know how he died.
Reports stated they BOTH were nuts. I'm not convinced he killed her. I can also understand his parents not wanting to have ANYTHING to do with Gabby's hysterical accusing parents. We've probably just heard the end of it, but I wonder if she died by and odd accident, or if someone else was involved. Additionally, we may never know how he died.
Countrymouse
Country exile in the city
I don't need MAN's law to tell me what is RIGHT and what is WRONG
WHY are you defending these people?
I believe you said in another thread you had no children? ( I may have misunderstood you re that)
Whether that is correct or not---You need to TRY to put yourself in the place of Gabby Petito's MOTHER (something Brian Laundrie's parents certainly never gave a damn about) and maybe then you can see beyond the "letter" of the law to the SPIRIT of the law--which is JUSTICE---not cleverly getting "off" on a technicality.
WAY too many guilty people walk every day due to such "technicalities"
Huh? I have not really cared for Kathy's scolding tone in this thread, but she is basically correct.
You need proof to convict. As bad as the case for B.L. looks, proof of murder simply isn't there, and thus there is no case for the parents' complicity,
Like it or not, it is what it is.
The cool thing about TB2K is we can start out own conspiracy theories right here over a simple criminal case. We have parents stealing covid killed people, planting evidence, altering dental records, and doing a superb job of hiding the countries most wanted man with the most known face in the western world with zero confirmed sightings. Maybe he had tied to Russia or Epstien.
Or they told the truth about where he went from the beginning and it is a simple murder suicide. But that would be boring.
Report clearance type "Exception" closed due to death of offender. Done.
Or they told the truth about where he went from the beginning and it is a simple murder suicide. But that would be boring.
Report clearance type "Exception" closed due to death of offender. Done.
You may be over thinking this case?
Gabby was strangled. No mystery, no accident involved.
Gabby was strangled only a few hundred feet away from the van that she and Brian shared as their home in an isolated location.
If I were going to write the movie script, I would twist that plot a little. Gabby would be the one to commit suicide by hanging herself infront of Brian. Brian, traumatized and realizing that he will be blamed, runs away. He runs home, and his parents believe him. Gabby's parents end up harassing his parents, and the killer in this story is one of the parents persuing Brian into the swamp and murdering him out of vengence.
Please don't anyone get into a tizzy....I am MAKING THIS UP!
We still don't have proof that Brian killed her.
It's the most likely scenario, but we don't KNOW.
DNA or it didn't happen.
Otherwise, TFB and Good. Now I do not have to keep reading/hearing about it.
Go into WalMart, go to the area where one used to do Layaways by the Restrooms. There is usually a poster of Missing kids which changes one-a-month. No one cares.
Otherwise, TFB and Good. Now I do not have to keep reading/hearing about it.
Go into WalMart, go to the area where one used to do Layaways by the Restrooms. There is usually a poster of Missing kids which changes one-a-month. No one cares.
night driver
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heelgeneral
Senior Member
IMO, it's kind of like OJ. If he didn't do anything wrong, why did he run?
Fairwillows
Where I am supposed to be.
I agree with you! the facts presented are sketchy....guess we'll have to see what dna tests show.....or are deep pockets paying for the truth to be hidden????
And really??? trust what information the FBI (KGB) presents???? that's pretty laughable!
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DNA is easier to fake than dental records. You can place blood or flesh at a scene but it is hard to fake a head.
Who would the "deep pockets" have to pay off? How many FBI agents, crime scene techs, local cops and lab workers would have to go along with it to make it all work?
There IS NO law. There are rooms full lawyers and judges and shelves full of books full of words, but NO LAW. Not any more.
Fairwillows
Where I am supposed to be.
All I know is, I woke up one day in 2020, and every thing I've heard or seen since then, has been a lie, a corruption or a threat!!! I have resigned myself to the fact that whatever I'm told is the truth right now, is a lie. I wasn't born a skeptic, but I have certainly turned in to one.
Brian was NOT a cool cucumber, even in the best of times. He could have panicked. With that POS personality of his, of course fingers have been pointing in his direction.
Perhaps the two had another fight that fateful day, and she stormed off, pissed, and some homeless guy tries to pick her up. She tells him to F off, and the guy gets offended, and strangles her.
How much do we really know about this case? That girl in Italy was convicted for murdering her dorm roommate (and somehow her boyfriend was thought to be involved), and IIRC, that killing involved a sketchy homeless guy on the scene, but that didn't seem to come out until later(?) Looking back at the Italian conviction, it seems likely that the wrong person was sent to jail.
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SmithJ
Veteran Member
We may not have proof. But we know.
Mprepared
Veteran Member
Then, there was the part where he was picked up hitchhiking and said his girlfriend was back at the camp and working on the blog. When this first happened I had wondered if the person who killed the 2 girls had killed Gabby, but since she was not shot then I quit wondering about that.
Creedmoor
Tempus Fugit
Oh, the law is there. It’s just not enforced anymore.