RACE Iditarod racer Dallas Seavey says he shot moose in defense of dogs

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Iditarod racer Dallas Seavey says he shot moose in defense of dogs

By Zachariah Hughes

Updated: 6 hours agoPublished: 18 hours ago




Five-time champion Dallas Seavey drives his dog team across Long Lake during the Iditarod restart in Willow on Sunday, March 3, 2024. (Bill Roth / ADN)

Five-time Iditarod Trail Sled Dog Race champion Dallas Seavey shot and dressed a moose that was tangled up with his dog team early Monday morning, less than 24 hours into this year’s race.

Race officials around 1:43 a.m. were notified of the incident, which happened around 14 miles up the trail from the checkpoint at Skwentna on the way to Finger Lake, the Iditarod Trail Committee said in a statement Monday afternoon.

“It was on a downhill. I mean, it fell on my sled, and it was sprawled on the trail,” Seavey said in a short video posted on Iditarod Insider, the race’s media arm for paying subscribers.

Seavey said he notified race director Mark Nordman via an InReach messaging device, and proceeded to do what the event’s rulebook requires in cases where mushers are forced to dispatch edible wildlife.

“I gutted it as best I could, but it was ugly,” Seavey said at the Finger Lake checkpoint.

According to the Iditarod Trail Committee statement, the moose “became entangled with the dogs and the musher on the trail” before Seavey dispatched the animal in self-defense. He rested his dogs on the way to the Finger Lake checkpoint, where he dropped a female named Faloo who was injured in the incident, said a post on his Facebook page.

Under the Iditarod’s Rule 34, if a musher kills an edible big game animal in defense of life and property, “the musher must gut the animal and report the incident to a race official at the next checkpoint. Following teams must help gut the animal when possible. No teams may pass until the animal has been gutted and the musher killing the animal has proceeded.”

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The run from Skwentna to Finger Lake, which speedy mushers do in around five hours, took Seavey eight hours and 14 minutes, though it is unclear how much of that time was spent gutting the moose carcass or if any other mushers happened upon him and helped.



According to Iditarod Insider analyst and race veteran Bruce Lee, Seavey said the incident threw a wrench in his planned run-rest schedule, although he stayed just six minutes in the Finger Lake checkpoint where veterinarians had the chance to look at his dogs.

“The Alaska troopers have been notified, the meat will be salvaged,” Lee said in a video.

Austin McDaniel, a spokesperson for the Alaska State Troopers, said in an email Monday that troopers were aware of the encounter “and are reviewing it to ensure that Alaska’s laws concerning taking game in defense of life and property were followed.”

Lee also said in the video that “the moose is lying in the trail, some of the other mushers have had to go over it like a snow drift.”

One of those other mushers was veteran Paige Drobny, who was the third racer to arrive into Finger Lake a little before 6 a.m. Tuesday.

“It’s dead in the middle of the trail,” Drobny told a race checker in a video of her arrival. “My team went up and over it, it’s that in the middle of the trail.”

Less than two hours earlier when Jessie Holmes was the first musher to arrive at the checkpoint, he reported that he’d also had an encounter with a moose, one that was very much alive.

“I had to punch a moose in the nose out there. Oh my gosh,” Holmes said.

[On the first full day of the Iditarod, mushers ascend the Alaska Range in fuzzy conditions]

Rookie Gabe Dunham was the fourth racer to reach Finger Lake.

“There happened to be a dead moose in the trail, that kinda flipped the sled. I did laugh and think, ‘Man, even when they’re dead they’re still getting me,’” she said in an interview with Insider.

Based on what racers told Insider, the moose appeared to be located around a blind corner in a section of switchbacks, making the obstacle all but impossible to avoid or navigate away from.

“That was the experience of a lifetime. I can’t say I’ve ever run a 16-dog team over a moose, so that was kind of interesting,” said musher Bailey Vitello, who added that he was leery of stopping his sled lest his dogs rip into the carcass. “Don’t know if I want to do it again.”

Snowmachiners in the area around the kill site were helping “to utilize and salvage the moose meat,” according to race marshal Warren Palfrey.

News of the incident was still trickling out over the course of Monday, which also happened to be Seavey’s 37th birthday.

“With the well-being of his team in mind, Dallas made the tough decision to fell the moose, resulting in a setback for his progression the trail,” said a post on Seavey’s official Facebook page. “Iditarod officials swiftly organized assistance to handle the aftermath, contacting the authorities and confirming the preservation of the animals meat.”

Though animal encounters are not uncommon in Iditarod, rarely do they end in death.
 

WalknTrot

Veteran Member
Moose are an issue for the sled dog folks. We have a pretty notorious race/marathon in N MN that runs along the north shore of Lake Superior - the John Beargrease - from Duluth to Grand Portage. The guys (and gals) need to bring rifles because of the moose. They are a problem, especially when the snow is deep and the moose think THEY should have sole use of the packed trails. They will kill dogs in a heartbeat and don't care if they go after humans either. Surly bastids any time of the year.
 

dawgofwar10

Veteran Member
Man, you took the words right out of my mouth! I was just about to post the same thing. Great minds and all that, right? LOL

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Wait till Rocky flys in, he is going to be really pissed. Though it was a female who provided the voice for Rocky!!!!
 

bev

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Didn’t / don’t we have a member with a dog sled team? Cant remember his name. He taught “homesteading” topics, made igloos … Was it Bad Hand?
 

Johnny Twoguns

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"Had to do it. Dogs were threatened. Thank heavens it was a clean shot straight through the heart. Almost no meat damaged. For such a quick emergency shot it is a miracle the whole big thing is edible. By the way, do you think......"
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
 
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bev

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No, this was a guy, I think in Alaska or Idaho, somewhere up there. I’ll think of his name while I’m asleep. :rolleyes:
 

CaryC

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I'm curious about the rule of the driver having to gut it?

I guess gut it before it freezes so the meat will be salvageable?
Agreed.

Field dressing anything, especially in this case, is to preserve the meat until it can be processed. The musher won't be able to take the meat with him and load his sled down, not to mention the huge amount of time to even quarter it.

It also gives feasibility "useable meat" to the shoot. Doing it for protection doesn't fly with PETA.

And perhaps giving someone time to get it, prevents Bears from coming in. If they ain't asleep.

I'm not a musher (I'm thinking today I may have to mow my driveway if it doesn't stop raining soon) but everything about this seems reasonable.
 

BadMedicine

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The law in Alaska says that if you kill something in defense of life and limb, you must feel dressed it and salvage the edible me and hide, and even recover the skull and claws if it's a bear. I don't necessarily agree with this law, especially if the Bear is attacking me and I have to kill it in self-defense and I have PTSD and now the state is claiming that the Bear is their property. I will say fine. Come and get your bear. You will not subject me to further PTSD, Not to mention the 14th amendment of the Constitution against forced and unpaid labor, to have to go and skin in quarter this bear that almost killed me. I don't believe they can enforce that law, however, they claim to enforce that law, that if you kill something in self-defense, you must field dress it and salvage the meat. I guess since he is in a race and there is a lot of race support along the trail, he can just feel dress it and somebody from the race support team will come back and salvage it and donate it to a local community. They usually donate the meat when a large animal is road killed, or "put down" for being agressive. Since I did not kill a moose this year. I am on the road killed donation list, and if they call me Ihave 1 hour to be at the site of the kill And claim the free moose/bou/bear and then I have to get the entire animal including the gutpile off of the road.
 

BadMedicine

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Update, racers now have GPS used for safety to track them along the trail... shows seavey was at the kill site 10 minutes :lol: :lol: :lol: basically long enough to get his dogs untangled, slash the guts, pull some out, and back on the trail.. My best time ever dressing a moose was in just about an hour with 2 helpers. Thats Quartered and cleaned, all meat in bags. I've done ONE myself and it took 6 hours, included carrying all 7 loads about 100 yards to the vehicle in ankle deep tundra/swamp. And it was a small one, yearling about 700#s live weight. Side note, I used know Dallas and played poker with him weekly around 2010/2012.
 

WalknTrot

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Update, racers now have GPS used for safety to track them along the trail... shows seavey was at the kill site 10 minutes :lol: :lol: :lol: basically long enough to get his dogs untangled, slash the guts, pull some out, and back on the trail.. My best time ever dressing a moose was in just about an hour with 2 helpers. Thats Quartered and cleaned, all meat in bags. I've done ONE myself and it took 6 hours, included carrying all 7 loads about 100 yards to the vehicle in ankle deep tundra/swamp. And it was a small one, yearling about 700#s live weight. Side note, I used know Dallas and played poker with him weekly around 2010/2012.
Well, if positioned right downslope, gravity will help expedite the bleeding and gutting process. I (lady hunter) learned the trick early on for field dressing our full-sized Minnesota deer by myself. It's impossible for one person to move a moose for sure, unless they are also allowed/required to carry a come-along or he quartered it (this guy obviously didn't have time for that unless he also packed a chainsaw!).

Haha..you can bet it wasn't the first time he'd done it if it only took ten minutes.
 

BadMedicine

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The Iditarod Is Embroiled in a Controversy Over Moose Guts​

Officials with dogsledding’s biggest race say a star musher broke the rules. His infraction: improper removal of moose innards.
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Published Mar 7, 2024

What’s the weirdest rule in endurance sports? A few come to mind:
Regulations governing the New York City Marathon explicitly forbid runners from pooping on the pavement at the starting line. Article 7.01-G of the Ironman Triathlon rulebook prohibits nakedness in transition areas. And don’t get me started on the wackadoo bylaws enforced by pro cycling’s governing body, the Union Cycliste International, which govern the minutiae of oh so many aspects of bike racing, from the height of an athlete’s socks to the size and shape of his or her ugly helmet.
But in all my time covering professional outdoor competitions, I’ve never come across anything like Rule 34 in the regulations governing Alaska’s Iditarod, the Tour de France of dogsledding. The law, titled “Killing of Game Animals,” is below:
In the event that an edible big game animal, i.e., moose, caribou, buffalo, is killed in defense of life or property, the musher must gut the animal and report the incident to a race official at the next checkpoint. Following teams must help gut the animal when possible. No teams may pass until the animal has been gutted and the musher killing the animal has proceeded. Any other animal killed in defense of life or property must be reported to a race official, but need not be gutted.
Yes, the Iditarod requires you to disembowel the big mammals that you kill along the way. Not only that—officials will scrutinize the efficacy of your job gutting the animal in question.
At the moment, there’s a brewing controversy about the Iditarod’s Rule 34—specifically, whether or not a star athlete gutted a moose the right way.


The race kicked off this past Sunday, March 3, and mushers embarked on the 1,000-mile trip from the town of Willow, near Anchorage, to Nome, near the arctic circle. On Monday, news circulated that five-time winner Dallas Seavey had a terrifying encounter with a moose shortly after leaving a checkpoint in the town of Skwentna. Attacks by moose and other large mammals are rare, but do occasionally happen in sled dog racing. In 2022, a musher named Bridgrett Watkins was trampled by a bull just days before her rookie start in the Iditarod. In 1985, Susan Butcher was attacked while leading the Iditarod—the animal killed two of her dogs as she attempted to fight it off with an axe.

According to a report by the Associated Press, Seavey said the moose attacked his team at about 1:30 A.M. on Monday morning. It became entangled in his harness and sled and injured a female dog named Faloo so badly that she eventually had to be transported back to Anchorage. Seavey pulled out a handgun and shot the moose dead. “It fell on my sled, it was sprawled on the trail,” Seavey told an Iditarod Insider television crew. “I gutted it the best I could, but it was ugly.”
That’s where things get interesting. On Wednesday, March 6, the Iditarod announced that its panel of judges had issued Seavey a two-hour time penalty—a massive time gap in a race that’s sometimes decided by an hour or two. The reason for the sanction? Seavey did a substandard job of removing the animal’s innards. The race clarified exactly what gutting entails. “By definition, gutting: taking out the intestines and other internal organs of (a fish or other animal) before cooking it,” the race said in a public statement.
According to the investigation, Seavey spent about ten minutes at the kill site before mushing his dogs 11 miles to the next checkpoint, where he informed officials about the moose kill and also dropped off his injured dog (according to a Facebook post, Faloo is OK!). A race communique said officials eventually retrieved the moose carcass, properly processed it, and will distribute the meat as food.
Seavey’s kennel published a diplomatic statement on Facebook after the ruling: “As members of Team Dallas we are thankful for the guidelines and officials who make this race possible. Each race is riddled with its own set of challenges and part of being a great musher is being able to navigate them.”
Back to this unorthodox rule. I think most normal people can understand the need to ban runners from pooping on the asphalt, and even to prohibit triathletes from displaying their uncovered nether regions during a race. But what’s the deal with cutting open a dead animal in sled dog racing? An Iditarod employee who answered the race’s general phone line reminded me that the Rule 34 simply reflects Alaska state law. I hunted around the state’s rules and regulations and came across Statue 16.30.010, titled Wanton Waste of Big Game Animals and Wild Fowl.

It is a class A misdemeanor for a person who kills a big game animal or a species of wild fowl to fail intentionally, knowingly, recklessly, or with criminal negligence to salvage for human consumption the edible meat of the animal or fowl.
Turns out the weirdest rule in endurance sports is an extension of a pragmatic law. A full-grown moose can weigh up to 1,600 pounds, which can feed a lot of human beings. Improperly handling the intestines from one can spoil the meat. And the Iditarod employee I spoke to emphatically said that removing the entrails from an animal of that size takes much longer than ten minutes.
Whether or not the two-hour penalty keeps Seavey from attaining win number six is yet to be seen. The two-hour penalty will be added to Seavey’s mandatory 24-hour rest later in the race. On Wednesday, he passed the Idtarod’s official halfway point in Cripple, Alaska in first place, nursing a 47-minute lead on Nicolas Petit of Big Lake, Alaska. Seavey needs to gain an hour and 14 minutes between Cripple and Nome to win.










As I mentioned before, this law is unconstitutional on a couple of points. I bet the 2 hour penalty gets appealed and overturned because it is practically an act of God. BIG money and sponsorships on the line..
 

summerthyme

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"Unconstitutional " has nothing to do with a private event's rules. Many folks here with butchering experience were wondering how in the world he managed to kill the moose, untangle the dogs, put the injured dog I to the sled and properly gut the moose in under 10 minutes! Quite frankly, it can't be done.

I'm certain he knew the rules. He would have been much better off if he'd taken the time to do the job properly... it might have taken an extra 30-45 minutes (depending on several factors), but almost certainly not the 2 hours cutting corners cost him.

Summerthyme
 

BadMedicine

Would *I* Lie???
"Unconstitutional " has nothing to do with a private event's rules.

I'm certain he knew the rules.
Yes and no:)

The rules-according to the race- are according to alaska state rules, cited in the article. So, THAT rule is unconstitutional, makes enforcement off it, by any party, unconstitutional. It forces labor without compensation. Because the state CLAIMS the animal shot in self defense is theirs. Fair enough. Then they go on to CLAIM that a private citizen caught in a life and death situation, after having SAVED THEIR LIFE, has to PERFORM UNPAID LABOR and take UNPAID TIME-which can...especially in this case NEVER BE RECOVERED.... those are consitutionally null Those have no bases in legal fact.

.....So if HE "improperly" gutted the animal, SO DID EVERYONE AFTER HIM THAT PASSED THE ANIMAL... The rules are clear.. or are they just guidelines?

Then there's the question of "how do you gut a moose" ... you "Take it's guts out." Done. Black and white, THAT much could have been done... and if I am a decent witness, having cleaned over 25 moose... he HAD to have emptied the cavity at least MOSTLY to pull a 1000# moose off of his sled... and this s DEAD, WET weight.. like moving a waterbed mattress...

Yeah, unconstitutional as all F*.

Seavey has won 6 times before, this will be his 7th and if the 2 hours costs him the race, there WILL BE a lawsuit, and he WILL win. Everybody who passed that moose docked 2 hrs. Same result. But the law, and enforcement of anyone, is a violation OF CIVIL RIGHTS. ...
 

BadMedicine

Would *I* Lie???
He just won despite the 2 hour penalty. Nice job! 6th total win, a record. Above I posted I thought it'd be his 7th.

Dallas Seavey claims record 6th Iditarod crown​

By Joey Klecka
Published: Mar. 12, 2024 at 5:19 PM AKDT|Updated: 36 minutes ago





NOME, Alaska (KTUU) - Talkeetna musher Dallas Seavey won a historic sixth Iditarod title Tuesday in Nome, breaking a record he shared with race icon Rick Swenson.
Seavey crossed under the famous Burled Arch on Nome’s front street around 5:16 p.m. Tuesday to win the 52nd edition of the Last Great Race with 10 dogs in harness, and now stands alone with the most wins in Iditarod history.
Seavey clocked in with a race-winning time of 9 days, 2 hours, 16 minutes, and 8 seconds.
The 37-year-old musher ran a calculated race that included a two-hour penalty after an encounter with a moose in the first 24 hours. Seavey was forced to shoot and kill the moose after it began attacking his team, forcing him to gut the animal as race rules dictate.

Race officials later penalized Seavey two hours, citing Rule 34 that states a musher is required to gut any big game animal that is killed in defense of life or property and report it to officials at the next checkpoint. Iditarod officials said that in their estimation, Seavey had not “sufficiently” gutted the moose before proceeding with his race.

Seavey had to contend with the likes of veteran mushers Jessie Holmes, Matt Hall and Travis Beals en route to the win. Seavey didn’t take the lead for good until Sunday afternoon, when he breezed through the checkpoint of Unalakleet to overtake Holmes.

Seavey ran his first Iditarod race as an 18-year-old teenager in 2005, finishing 51st. Since then he’s added his name to the proud family history, winning the race in 2012, 2014, 2015, 2016, 2021 and now this year.

The victory gives the Seavey family nine race wins, with Dallas’ six adding to the three that his father Mitch won in 2004, 2013 and 2017. Mitch’s father Dan Seavey also raced, including the inaugural Iditarod in 1973, when he finished a career-best third.

 

PghPanther

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They were going to use goofy gas on the Moose but suddenly remembered.....

..........no brains no effect!

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WalknTrot

Veteran Member
The law is kinda stupid. NOTHING goes to waste in nature. Whether humans eat it, or the wolves, eagles, crows and mice eat it, the dead moose won't go to "waste".

Seems a lot of kerfuffle over nothing, and I'm glad he won and smoked the time, so there's no drama with the penalty.
Just 'cuz.
 
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