WAR How will it all unfold once the shooting starts ?

[Blacknarwhal]

Shooting wars are soooo 20th century.

The new battlefield is here.

Only after the digital weapons are used will we see other tactics.

War is about removing the will to fight.

When the civilian population is in total disarray, it will be harder to find public support for a war.


The only modifier to this is public desire for revenge....hence the false flag tactic.

The public hasn't supported a war in years, as far as I can remember.

 

[Squid]

Now, in the event that Russia goes into Ukraine and things get dicey here in the US with cyber attacks. I wonder what will blm, antifa do? Cause problems in the US because of their communists' leanings, or what? To me that is another aspect that we will have to contend with, the 5th column of commie sympathizers.

I would worry more about China than antifa blm. Although these are Soro’s/demo financed and run operations they take direction from the money not some quasi communist control from the KGB. The dem’s don’t need the in US chaos right now it just increases the look of demo incompetence and they have enough issues with that before the midterms.

 

[mikeabn]

Cannot reveal more but a phone call told me things warming up. Please forgive but I really can't say more.

 

[medic38572]

My opinion rests somewhere between Doc1's post and the recent opinion of a German Admiral that does not believe there is a Russian threat.

I think the Russian threat is very similar to covid, it's all manufactured. Now covid is serious, there are deaths from the disease as well as manufactured deaths from the cure. Much the same for Russia, as they really were not a threat until all the political pushing. Sadly, our military industrial complex might get what they want, which is a war that will make Afghanistan look like a Sunday school class.

Isn't it just wonderful what stolen elections can give us. A trashed economy, shortages, more illegals than we can shake a stick at, mandates, death by injections, greater racial violence, disgraceful pullout from our longest war, and now these wonderful libs are wanting a new war.

I can see it, DC gets nuked by the Ruskies or Chinks. The Supreme Court justices are sitting there, glowing in the dark, and one of them says that maybe they should have stopped the stolen election when they had the chance.

Not that I know anything but I agree, I say this as the democrats always have to have a boogey man, they for how many years have blamed Russia for stealing the election from Hillary among other things.

 

[mikeabn]

Those troops clumping up in the dead of winter are some concoction of the Adm? Gee!
My view. Putin figures that when the crunch comes, Biden will go Afghanistan.

One really good thing about Trump and Reagan before him- they were unpredictable. Keels the other side guessing.

 

[ShadowMan]

When economies are bad, when politics are in trouble, when people start to seriously grumble and protest....governments start to rattle sabers. Historical FACT.

 

[colonel holman]

Putin has done this successfully twice - once in Georgia in 2008 and again in Crimea in 2014. Both times he issued Russian passports to everyone in those places which wanted one - which was conveniently the majority of citizens - and went in to defend Russian citizens against reprisal from the recalcitrant nationalist factions. The Donbass looks largely to be in the same position strategically as those two earlier successes were.

I believe that giving up the Donbass to Russia is what Bai-Den meant when he was talking about a "minor incursion" the other day. Whether or not it was a slip of the tongue or deliberate, Putin heard that taking over the Donbass was OK. The people in that region have fought to become a part of Russia and they're likely going to get their wish.

This regional flare-up will only explode if the rest of Ukraine wants to jump into NATO's arms, so their bankrupt country can be subsidized by the rest of the Europeans and the US. In that case, all bets are off because Putin's red line is a sight more meaningful than any that Obammy ever "established".

Most likely plan with best success at cheapest cost for them

 

[Sacajawea]

Troke, it was the Obama admin that really messed up Ukraine back in '14. There was a really long thread that has pertinant details about that. The troops came after - actually trainers & advisors, initially. This propaganda was fueled even more during Trump's 4 years - "russia, russia, russia" - and is an elaborately concocted "narrative" to cover up/hide/excuse all of the Biden's criminal activities in plundering Ukraine and domestic malfeasance.

Has very damn little to do with NATO (tho I understand Poland's anxiety) and even less to do with US National Security... unless that is now defined as Democrat political purposes. Yeah, I know half the RINOs are singing the same hoax lyrics.

 

[Millwright]

The public hasn't supported a war in years, as far as I can remember.

But they haven't vocally opposed them either.

Pizza & beer are plentiful.

Football and Dancing with the Stars are not affected.

The public is well ensconced in their comfort zone.


A cyber attack can take that away at the speed of interwebz.

 

[The Hammer]

Those troops clumping up in the dead of winter are some concoction of the Adm? Gee!
My view. Putin figures that when the crunch comes, Biden will go Afghanistan.

And there's no indication he's wrong. Biden is out to lunch, and people like Blinken tend to get embarrassed before they even know what time it is...

 

[wintery_storm]

I would say if one day you hear about a massive hack of XYZ, then the power, internet, and banking seem to be out all at once, then you should start freaking out, and then you will know War has begun.

I woud think that would be stage One: That would be the easiest way to cripple a Country. Mass hysteria just over that. There are many moves that can be made. It is a chess game always was.

 

[Annika]

As I mentioned in earlier post, we here in US will hear nothing. Won’t know it is even happening, as we will awaken to a cold dark home, no power, no internet, no landlines, no cell phones, no sat radio in car, not even a GPS signal. Totally blinded. Will have to draw own conclusions at that point and act (or not) totally on our own based on our own prep plans. There will be no “guidance” from our fearless leaders as they will be busy with COG and no comms coming from them anyway. It will be every home, every neighborhood tribe, every city & town to (gradually) react. Local warlords with lists comes to mind

Yep, the Postman comes to mind

 

[mecoastie]

If you can take out the internet and cell then it will be very difficult for any Reserve and NG to be recalled.

 

[Sweetwood]

I know we’ve covered the “EMP” thing ad nauseam here. Regardless of it effects, even if it just effects power substations and such, if combined with select pinpoint special forces sabotage attacks the US would be brought to
It’s knees pretty quickly.

 

[colonel holman]

I know we’ve covered the “EMP” thing ad nauseam here. Regardless of it effects, even if it just effects power substations and such, if combined with select pinpoint special forces sabotage attacks the US would be brought to
It’s knees pretty quickly.

could a skilled cyber attack shut it down and erase whatever controls run the grid, much like Israel’s stuxnet attack on the centrifuge controls? easier that physical kinetic attcks

 

[colonel holman]

our electronic-tech infrastructure is too complex and, therefore, brittle and vulnerable to survive hostile intrusion. at least that is my take

 

[Sweetwood]

could a skilled cyber attack shut it down and erase whatever controls run the grid, much like Israel’s stuxnet attack on the centrifuge controls? easier that physical kinetic attcks

I guess it’s possible, I’m not sure. A combination would be ideal. Limited kinetic in key areas along with cyber would ensure a complete collapse.

 

[Sweetwood]

We are such a divided, large and complex empire now. The normal people, civilians avd the civilian infrastructure are the base of the pyramid and make the military possible. That base is so fractured right now any attack within the continental US would bring chaos. We’re just not United enough to withstand it as a people. By God, I hope I’m wrong!

 

[33dInd]

Not our business
Never has been
We will get our arse handed to us
Again

 

[33dInd]

We are such a divided, large and complex empire now. The normal people, civilians avd the civilian infrastructure are the base of the pyramid and make the military possible. That base is so fractured right now any attack within the continental US would bring chaos. We’re just not United enough to withstand it as a people. By God, I hope I’m wrong!

I don’t believe you are

 

[gonewacky]

We and them have been doing this very thing for decades. We supply their enemies, they supply ours. That being said we are showing signs of cracking as a nation, they know a strong unified USA that is well led is a foe that they do not want. We are none of that anymore, it's their time to bloody our nose. If it were me, I'd remove our ability to move our military around. Take out our airlift capacity, remove our power projection meaning carriers and forward bases. How would I do this. There is only 1 answer to that question in truth. This doesn't end well for us. Let them have Ukraine , it's not our fight and not worth our blood.

Russia already answered this.
We met with three of our Russian counterparts on the Duma International Affairs Committee, including its chairman, Vladimir Lukin, and senior Communist Party member Aleksandr Shabonov. On May 2, the Russians chastised the United States for military aggression in the Balkans and warned Russia was not helpless to oppose Operation Allied Force.

Lukin said, “If we really wanted to hurt you with no fear of retaliation, we would launch an SLBM [submarine launched ballistic missile] and detonate a single nuclear warhead at high altitude over the United States and shut down your power grid and communications for six months or so.”

It is just no one thinks they mean it. What do you think?

 

[Elza]

It is my opinion that the threat of nuclear war - courtesy of the malevolent DC cabal - is as great now as it was in the Cold War days of the Cuban Missile Crisis of the early '60s.

Agreed. Our military couldn't fight it's way out of a Hong Kong whorehouse. If a real war breaks loose our only options would be to capitulate or go nuke.

 

[SAPPHIRE]

There's not enough TP in Amerika to wipe away this mess..........IMO Amerika is now "OBSOLETE"....or soon will be.

 

[Lone_Hawk]

could a skilled cyber attack shut it down and erase whatever controls run the grid, much like Israel’s stuxnet attack on the centrifuge controls? easier that physical kinetic attcks

20 years ago, yes, it would have been a piece of cake to take it down. Now, there are localized weaknesses, but the damage would be small in comparison. I know because this was a technical area that I used to work in. In fact, it was my staff members who scared the living crap out of the US government. It is an ever changing battle space. But not near as bad as it was.

I guess it’s possible, I’m not sure. A combination would be ideal. Limited kinetic in key areas along with cyber would ensure a complete collapse.

You know how it is when your kids get real quiet, and your parental senses give you an "Oh shit! What now!" ??
The Muslims have been damn quiet since the Afghan disaster.

 

[Warthog]

Little shooting. Hyper war, over in 1 hour!

 

[blueinterceptor]

Russia will turn off all natural gas pipelines that feed Europe. Any gasoline or oil pipelines will also be shut off. Any means to get natural gas, oil, or gasoline will be met with sabotage or direct destruction.
Isn’t there a direct relationship between Russia and Germany in regards to energy distribution?
It’s the dead of winter. Russia could bring Europe to her knees, without firing a shot, within weeks.
Ill bet Russians could hold out longer without the newest cell phones, than Europeans could hold out without heat or electricity.

 

[fish hook]

Shooting wars are soooo 20th century.

The new battlefield is here.

Only after the digital weapons are used will we see other tactics.

War is about removing the will to fight.

When the civilian population is in total disarray, it will be harder to find public support for a war.


The only modifier to this is public desire for revenge....hence the false flag tactic.

I sure hope you are right. We could live through this (at least some of us ). Really beats being nuked into the stone age.

 

[Hi-D]

But they haven't vocally opposed them either.

Pizza & beer are plentiful.

Football and Dancing with the Stars are not affected.

The public is well ensconced in their comfort zone.


A cyber attack can take that away at the speed of interwebz.

You do not need a Weatherman to tell you which way the wind blows.

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[Trouble]

Russia already answered this.
We met with three of our Russian counterparts on the Duma International Affairs Committee, including its chairman, Vladimir Lukin, and senior Communist Party member Aleksandr Shabonov. On May 2, the Russians chastised the United States for military aggression in the Balkans and warned Russia was not helpless to oppose Operation Allied Force.

Lukin said, “If we really wanted to hurt you with no fear of retaliation, we would launch an SLBM [submarine launched ballistic missile] and detonate a single nuclear warhead at high altitude over the United States and shut down your power grid and communications for six months or so.

It is just no one thinks they mean it. What do you think?

An ICBM isn't necessary, our power grid is wiiiide open for a cyber attack. Plausible deniability. We didn't do that. You send our society into chaos and we will focus on us here and not abroad.

 

[Techwreck]

If push comes to shove, we can always threaten to deploy our secret weapon on those Russkie bastiges.

Iskander schmander, we have the Admiral, and we're not afraid to use it.................

 

[Jez]

An ICBM isn't necessary, our power grid is wiiiide open for a cyber attack. Plausible deniability. We didn't do that. You send our society into chaos and we will focus on us here and not abroad.

Cyber Attacks are definitely a thing now. We started with Stuxnet and Russia has already deployed other Attacks on the Ukraine.

 

[gonewacky]

Dumb ass I was..

 

[mikeabn]

Little shooting. Hyper war, over in 1 hour!

Drones, etc,, may make this a kind of Spanish Civil War situation- a dress rehearsal for the BIG ONE.