Holy Paranoia! Obama admits he is planning for more than a 8 year presidency!

Troke

On TB every waking moment
Barack Obama's Butterfly Effect
July 20, 2008 4:45 PM

Today on CBS's Face the Nation, Sen. Barack Obama, D-Ill., in Afghanistan, told the paparazzi-pursued correspondent Lara Logan that "the objective of this trip was to have substantive discussions with people like President Karzai or Prime Minister Maliki or President Sarkozy or others who I expect to be dealing with over the next eight to 10 years.

"And it's important for me to have a relationship with them early, that I start listening to them now, getting a sense of what their interests and concerns are."

The notion that Obama will be dealing with world leaders for eighjt-to-ten years, possibly up through July 2018, suggests that either (a) he believes that not only will he be elected and re-elected, but the 22nd amendment will be repealed and he will be elected for a third term, OR (b) he was speaking casually and just meant two terms.

(I'm guessing b.)

There is a term in chaos theory describing the how infinitesmal variations of the initial condition of a dynamical system may produce large variations in the long term behavior of the system.

Most of us are more familiar with the more common name for it: the butterfly effect.

The butterfly effect was introduced in Ray Bradbury's 1952 short story "A Sound of Thunder," when time travelers change the world beyond measure by accidentally killing a butterfly in prehistoric times.

Similarly, international diplomacy can be impacted by careless or glibly-chosen words. (Cue President Bush's "crusade" remarks.)

Some Democratic allies of Obama's are -- off the record -- concerned that the senator too often doesn't consider the potential butterfly effect of his diction.

Take his support for an "undivided Jerusalem," or his remarks about women seeking abortions when they're "feeling blue," which upset feminist leaders.

Or the media kerfuffle after his "refine my policies" presser.

On his press plane on July 5, after that incident, Obama said, "I’m surprised at how finely calibrated every single word was measured."

A reporter noted that that is precisely what happens with the president, he can change world affairs with one word, finely calibrating your words is what happens.

"Well, of course, no, I understand," Obama said. "But for me to say that I’m going to refine my policies, you know, I don’t think in anyway is inconsistent with prior statements and doesn’t change my strategic view that this war has to end and that I am going to end it as president."

This week Obama will have his words picked apart like never before, and it will be an international audience of not just opponents but actual enemies.

They will be watching and waiting to see if he kills any butterflies.

- jpt
 

buff

Deceased
for someone so many say is sooooo literate, he really seems to make a lot of stupid mistakes...

and they say bush misspeaks...
 

buff

Deceased
what were some of the others..

"when i am commander of chiefs"

"i've been to 57 states"

and a bunch more i cannot recall this second.
 

NoPlugsNM

Deceased
Clearly he MUST be confusing the opportunity for repeated terms in the Senate vrs the two-term limit restriction of the Presidency - OR - he is the guy who plans to invoke martial law.

Regardless, his overall ability to NOT get the simple Q & A's that would be part of an immigrant passing the test for citizenship speaks loudly about his ability to serve in this country's highest leadership position.

What a FARCE this guy is - he is truly an insult to the American people as a whole. His answers remind me of those given in the Jay Leno man on the street segments. He belongs to the idiots and stupidity should have been his middle name. To thing he graduated from one of the most prestigious educational institutions in America!!!!!!

NP
 

night driver

ESFP adrift in INTJ sea
There IS however a C) option here:

Perhaps he is intending to follow in the foot steps of the feckless Peanut Farmer....

D) of course would be "All of the above"
 

maric

Short but deadly
Dear God in heaven, the more I hear/read about that worthless milinjohn the more I hate him. God forgive me but somebody's gotta step in and find some way to stop this jackass-hole's cam-pain-in-the-ass. He makes me :kk2:
 

Walrus Whisperer

Hope in chains...
I swear, this guy is making me think (as a representative of "black" people) that black people can't count.
White people can't jump, so......
:shr:
 

night driver

ESFP adrift in INTJ sea
Maric:

I'm thinking that the POLITE (HEH) version is "melanzana" which is pretty gutter in its own right, but the pronunciation I'm familiar with is Moulangian....(soft "g") and OK my friends aer fom the South of Italy...

Now SOME use this along the line of Oreo Cookie (note that an eggplant has a white inside), but NOT the folk here in Little Italy Cleveland.....
 

maric

Short but deadly
Maric:

I'm thinking that the POLITE (HEH) version is "melanzana" which is pretty gutter in its own right, but the pronunciation I'm familiar with is Moulangian....(soft "g") and OK my friends aer fom the South of Italy...

Now SOME use this along the line of Oreo Cookie (note that an egplant has a white inside), but NOT the folk here in Little Italy Cleveland.....


Yup, 'milinjohn' is how northern Italians pronounce it. Don't forget, eggplant can be bitter if it's not 'cooked' right :whistle: Mafia anyone?
 

BoatGuy

Inactive
I can't explain it...

There is just something about Obama that makes me uncomfortable as hell. I am neither democrat nor republican. I am neither white nor black. I don't pay much attention to the campaign promises, since they'll do hardly anything that they promise (anything good, anyway...). I just pray that this guy doesn't get elected. It would not be a good thing.
 

Freeholder

This too shall pass.
You guys are speaking a foreign language up there (milinjohn, etc.?). Translation, please?! (If it's not too crude for a family board!)

Kathleen
 

Emily

One Day Closer
I heard today that Obama said that he wants to send in at least three more brigades into Afghanistan. Isn't this a reversal of the leftists (who got him the nomination) agenda?
 

Bad Hand

Veteran Member
Obamanation is the worst thing that could possibly happen to our country. He is an empty suit a POS!!
 

night driver

ESFP adrift in INTJ sea
CBB, SOME used it that way, but my Abruzzi boss (at least I THINK the boss was Abruzzi, he could have been Calabraise, or a (horrors) mix or Sicilian.... You had to know Canata..) used Moulangian as synonymous with swartz.....ignoring the "Oreo Cookie" connotation...
 

mcchrystal

Inactive
I heard today that Obama said that he wants to send in at least three more brigades into Afghanistan. Isn't this a reversal of the leftists (who got him the nomination) agenda?

Well, he wants to...today.

Politicians' promises tend to have a really short shelf-life.

-Steve in Burbank
 

annieb

Senior Member
Here's the whole interview

I think reading the whole interview will be more enlightening:
For fair use:

Obama: Now Is The Time For Iraq Withdrawal
July 20, 2008
(CBS) Senator Barack Obama spent his first day in Afghanistan yesterday visiting the troops, talking to soldiers, and speaking with their commanders. Today he met privately with President Hamid Karzai of Afghanistan.

After talking to both sides, his assessment is that the situation in Afghanistan is both precarious and urgent. He said that the U.S. has to start planning to put more troops in Afghanistan now.

The following is a transcript of an exclusive interview with the Democratic presidential candidate, who told CBS News chief foreign affairs correspondent Lara Logan that U.S. troop levels have to increase.

Obama: "For at least a year now, I have called for two additional brigades, perhaps three," he said. "I think it's very important that we unify command more effectively to coordinate our military activities. But military alone is not going to be enough.

"The Afghan government needs to do more. But we have to understand that the situation is precarious and urgent here in Afghanistan. And I believe this has to be our central focus, the central front, on our battle against terrorism."

Logan: "Why does it have to be the central focus? What is so critical to U.S. interests here?"

Obama: "This is where they can plan attacks. They have sanctuary here. They are gathering huge amounts of money as a consequence of the drug trade in the region. And so that global network is centered in this area. And I think one of the biggest mistakes we've made strategically after 9/11 was to fail to finish the job here, focus our attention here. We got distracted by Iraq.

"And despite what the Bush Administration has argued, I don't think there's any doubt that we were distracted from our efforts not only to hunt down al-Qaeda and the Taliban, but also to rebuild this country so that people have confidence that we were to here to stay over the long haul, that we were going to rebuild roads, provide electricity, improve the quality of life for people. And now we have a chance, I think, to correct some of those areas.

"There's starting to be a broad consensus that it's time for us to withdraw some of our combat troops out of Iraq, deploy them here in Afghanistan. And I think we have to seize that opportunity. Now's the time for us to do it.

"I think what's important for us to do is to begin planning for those brigades now. If we wait until the next administration, it could be a year before we get those additional troops on the ground here in Afghanistan. And I think that would be a mistake. I think the situation is getting urgent enough that we've got to start doing something now.

"The United States has to take a regional approach to the problem. Just as we can't be myopic and focus only on Iraq, we also can't think that we can solve the security problems here in Afghanistan without engaging the Pakistan government."

Logan: "And how do you compel Pakistan to act?"

Obama: "Well, you know, I think that the U.S. government provides an awful lot of aid to Pakistan, provides a lot of military support to Pakistan. And to send a clear message to Pakistan that this is important, to them as well as to us, I think that message has not been sent."

Logan: "Under what circumstances would you authorize unilateral U.S. action against targets inside tribal areas?"

Obama: "What I've said is that if we had actionable intelligence against high-value al-Qaeda targets, and the Pakistani government was unwilling to go after those targets, that we should. My hope is that it doesn't come to that - that in fact, the Pakistan government would recognize that if we had Osama bin Laden in our sights that we should fire or we should capture him."

Logan: "Isn't that the case now? I mean, do you really think that if U.S. forces had Osama bin Laden in their sights and the Pakistanis said 'No,' that they wouldn't fire or wouldn't go after him?"

Obama: "I think actually this is current doctrine. There was some dispute when I said this last August. Both the administration and some of my opponents suggested, 'Well, you know, you shouldn't go around saying that.' But I don't think there's any doubt that that should be our policy."

Logan: "But [not going after him] is the current policy."

Obama: "I believe it is the current policy."

Logan: "So there's no change, then?"

Obama: "I don't think there's going to be a change there. I think that in order for us to be successful, it's not going to be enough just to engage in the occasional shot fired. We've got training camps that are growing and multiplying."

Logan: "Would you take out all those training camps?"

Obama: "Well, I think that what we would like to see the Pakistani government take out those training camps."

Logan: "And if they won't?"

Obama: "Well, I think that we've got to work with them so they will."

Logan: "Would you consider unilateral U.S. action?"

Obama: "I will push Pakistan very hard to make sure that we go after those training camps. I think it's absolutely vital to the security interests for both the United States and Pakistan."

Logan: "You do have a situation seven years on into this war where Osama bin Laden and all his lieutenants and all the leaders of the Taliban, they're still there. They're inside Pakistan."

Obama: "It's a huge problem. First of all, if we hadn't taken our eye off the ball, we might've caught them before they got into Pakistan and were able to reconstitute themselves. So we made a strategic error. And it's one that we're going to pay for, and unfortunately the people in Afghanistan have paid for it as well.

"But we now have an opportunity to correct that problem. One of the, if you look at what's happening right now in Iraq, Prime Minister al-Maliki has indicated he wants a timetable full withdraw. That is the view of the vast majority of Iraqis as well. We've seen a quelling of the violence. We haven't seen as much political progress as needs to be made. But we're starting to see some efforts on the part of the various factions to deal with some of the issues that are out there.

Logan: "Token efforts at best."

Obama: "They are token efforts at best. But if we have a timetable and they suddenly see an urgency behind the fact that the American troops are going to be leaving and that they need to get their act together, then this is the perfect moment for us to say, 'We are going to shift our resources. We're going to get a couple of more brigades here into Afghanistan. We're going to be willing to increase our foreign aid to Pakistan.' In exchange, we're going to expect that Pakistan takes much more seriously going after al-Qaeda and Taliban base camps on their side of the borders."

Logan: "What would be a 'mission accomplished' for you in Afghanistan?

Obama: "Well, a 'mission accomplished' would be that we had stabilized Afghanistan, that the Afghan people are experiencing rising standards of living, that we have made sure that we are disabling al-Qaeda and the Taliban so that they can longer attack Afghanistan, they can no longer engage in attacks against targets of Pakistan, and they can't target the United States or its allies."

Logan "Losing is not an option?"

Obama: "Losing is not an option when it comes to al-Qaeda. And it never has been. And that's why the fact that we engaged in a war of choice when were not yet finished with that task was such a mistake."

Logan: "Do you believe the war on terror can't be won if Osama bin Laden is still alive and if he's still out there?"

Obama: "I think there would be enormous symbolic value in us capturing or killing bin Laden, because I think he's still a rallying point for Islamic extremists. But I don't think that by itself is sufficient. I think that we are going to have to be vigilante in dismantling these terrorist networks."

Logan: "Okay, last question: There is a perception that you lack experience in world affairs."

Obama: "Right."

Logan: "Is this trip partly aimed at overcoming that concern, that, you know, there are doubts among some Americans that you could lead the country at war as commander in chief from day one?"

Obama: "You know, the interesting thing is that the people who are very experienced in foreign affairs, I don't think have those thoughts. The troops that I've been meeting with over the last several days, they don't seem to have those doubts. The objective of this trip was to have substantive discussions with people like President Karzai or Prime Minister Maliki or President Sarkozy or others who I expect to be dealing with over the next eight to ten years.

"It's important for me to have a relationship with them early, that I start listening to them now, getting a sense of what their interests and concerns are, because one of the shifts in foreign policy that I want to execute as president is giving the world a clear message that America intends to continue to show leadership, but our style of leadership is going to be less unilateral, that we're going to see our role as building partnerships around the world that are of mutual interest to the parties involved. And I think this gives me a head start in that process."

Logan: "Do you have any doubts?"

Obama: "Never."


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night driver

ESFP adrift in INTJ sea
1) I truly appologize for the digression and drift.

2) I note that the VERY CRITERIA he has for "Mission Accomplished" in 'Ghan is what we have been shooting towards in Iraq. He's really talking "nation Building" for 'Ghan....
 
BO is a total loss when separated from the teleprompter.

Absolute fool needing more 'training' in the Senate.

Needs to read the USA's "controlling legal authority" documents a bit more.
 

Richard

TB Fanatic
well is it unprecedented that a candidate is speaking to world leaders prior to an US Presidential election


presumably the illuminati have chosen him
 

Richard

TB Fanatic
why did the Dems choose Obama, aren't there any other blacks in the party who are better qualified, or any other whites or hispanics or asians etc who are better qualified
 

fruit loop

Inactive
That's paranoia alright....

Obviously he's planning to seek a second term...that's 8 years. Most former presidents then involve themselves in party politics.

Let's see....how many presidents have (according to rumor) planned to take over the world and stay in office past the legal term because they are the Antichrist :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:?

Bush Sr....Bush Jr....Clinton......

Get a life, folks. Stop seeing Satan around every corner.
 

ceeblue

Veteran Member
That we are in Afghanistan suits the communists. They don't have to keep that border nation from exploding if we do it for them.

In this campaign I've yet to see Obama go for something that is not communist backed.
 

maric

Short but deadly
Obviously he's planning to seek a second term...that's 8 years. Most former presidents then involve themselves in party politics.

Thats right, I forgot he can't add :rolleyes: 57 states and all that crappola :kk2:


Get a life, folks. Stop seeing Satan around every corner.

Not every corner, just where that damned milinjohn shows up.
 

Milk-maid

Girls with Guns Member
They'll do a TV show of all his famous "out-takes" Just like they did one for Bush, Reagan, Gerald Ford and Jimmy Carter. So what's new?
 

LONEWOLF

Deceased
Obama gets a huuuuge amount of undeserved credit and unearned respect. He does *not* speak significantly better than Gee Dubber "off the cuff" IMHO....
 

kozanne

Inactive
Reading AnnieB's post:

1) The interviewer is naive enough to believe that if Bin Laden is dead that the war on terror is won? Must have been a reporter for a high school newspaper. Bin Laden dies by our hand, the irrhabis will go NUTZ. Over there and over here. Maybe that's why he's not dead yet. Should have been killed at Tora Bora, and it's amazing he wasn't.

2) Obama is a wuss. "Well, we'll just impose economic sanctions on Pakistan and MAKE them do the killing" Anything but take the bull by the horns and get the damn job done. He's an appeaser and a wuss. And we all know how well economic sanctions work and who imposes them, THE U.N.. Obama, the UN boy toy.

It's not a question of whether or not I want him to be POTUS [I don't], but I just don't think he's got the stones to do the job. He has no clue about Al-Qaeda, Pak, Afghanistan or any of the tribal areas.
 

Oilpatch Hand

3-Bomb General, TB2K Army
Barack Hussein Muhammad Obama said:
"The objective of this trip was to have substantive discussions with people like President Karzai or Prime Minister Maliki or President Sarkozy or others who I expect to be dealing with over the next eight to ten years."

So, taking this quote as it was uttered, it appears that Obama figures the November, 2008, election is already in the bag. Furthermore, he already knows that he will be re-elected in November, 2012.

For a guy who doesn't exactly have the reputation of finishing well, I'd say he's assuming a lot of facts not yet in evidence. :lkick:

Barack Hussein Muhammad Obama said:
"For at least a year now, I have called for two additional brigades, perhaps three," he said. "I think it's very important that we unify command more effectively to coordinate our military activities. But military alone is not going to be enough.

"The Afghan government needs to do more. But we have to understand that the situation is precarious and urgent here in Afghanistan. And I believe this has to be our central focus, the central front, on our battle against terrorism."

Huh?

Obama is starting to sound like one of those empty-headed beauty contestants.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WALIARHHLII
 
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