Here it comes: Obama should pardon Hillary Clinton, former assistant US attorney says

Dennis Olson

Dennis Olson

Chief Curmudgeon
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Obama should pardon Hillary Clinton, former assistant US attorney says

By Edmund DeMarche Published January 19, 2017 FoxNews.com


A New York lawyer appealed to President Obama Wednesday in an opinion piece to pardon former-presidential candidate Hillary Clinton and others who may be “potential targets” of an investigation into the use of her private email server.

Robert Begleiter, a partner at Constantine Cannon LLP and former assistant U.S. attorney in the Eastern District of New York, wrote in The Daily News that the Constitution permits a president to pardon someone who has not been charged with a crime.

President-elect Donald Trump has said he has no intention of investigating Clinton, despite the familiar chant by supporters at his primary rallies, “Lock her up.” He even refered to her as “Crooked Hillary.”

“I don’t want to hurt the Clintons, I really don’t,” Trump told editors at The New York Times shortly after the election. “She went through a lot and suffered greatly in many different ways, and I’m not looking to hurt them at all. The campaign was vicious.”

Begleiter wrote that he wishes Trump well as president, but said it would be a gamble in the event Clinton ever criticized Trump during his presidency. He called it “sideways” to believe that a person who accepted a pardon is admitting guilt.

He wrote that a pardon for Clinton could, in the words of Alexander Hamilton, “restore tranquility to the commonwealth”

John Crudele, a financial columnist with The New York Post, wrote that Obama is the most forgiving president in U.S. history, and commuted the sentences of 1,000. He theorized that Obama likely does not personally like Clinton very much and the email scandal put him in an “embarrassing” situation.

“But the best reason for not giving a pardon is simple: Obama doesn’t really know what kind of trouble Hillary might be in. And she would have to admit to things she might not be ready to reveal to get completely out of trouble,” he wrote.

Edmund DeMarche is a news editor for FoxNews.com. Follow him on Twitter @EDeMarche.



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Millwright

Millwright

Knuckle Dragger
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Trump doesn't need to go after her if congress does.

He can go to great lengths to facilitate that effort.
 
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vestige

Deceased
ShadowMan said:
How can you pardon someone that hasn't even been indited? This is B.S.
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Funny isn't it.


“But the best reason for not giving a pardon is simple: Obama doesn’t really know what kind of trouble Hillary might be in. And she would have to admit to things she might not be ready to reveal to get completely out of trouble,” he wrote.
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Pardoning Hillary implies that she did something wrong for which she is being pardoned.

She worked for Obama and was either carrying out his orders or doing things with his knowledge and approval.

Therefore, Obama is complicit in anything Hillary did while working for him.

Obama will have to give Hillary a "gift certificate pardon" that may be cashed in when it is needed.

In fact, he may need one for his own future use.
 
BetterLateThanNever

BetterLateThanNever

Veteran Member
He wrote that a pardon for Clinton could, in the words of Alexander Hamilton, “restore tranquility to the commonwealth”

Wrong....it would just show that our system is content to allow the rich and the powerful to continue to loot the system and get away with murder.
 
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Adino

paradigm shaper
Pardoning the witch will not in the words of Alexander Hamilton, “restore tranquility to the commonwealth”.

It will piss off the overwhelming majority that want the rule of law restored.

It will exacerbate the gulf between the elites and real Americans.

It will prove definitively we are ruled by kleptomaniacs and tyrants of the highest order.

It will fan the flames of discontent.

It will not bring tranquility to anyone other than the clintooons.
 
Be Well

Be Well

may all be well
Millwright said:
Trump doesn't need to go after her if congress does.

He can go to great lengths to facilitate that effort.
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Sessions's assistant AG can do it just fine. And Chaffetz is primed and ready to go in Congress.

Plus presidential pardons do not cover state crimes or international crimes, and she's committed plenty of those.
 
Dennis Olson

Dennis Olson

Chief Curmudgeon
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Adino said:
Pardoning the witch will not in the words of Alexander Hamilton, “restore tranquility to the commonwealth”.

It will piss off the overwhelming majority that want the rule of law restored.
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It sure worked out for Gerald Ford....

/sarc
 
Be Well

Be Well

may all be well
Adino said:
Pardoning the witch will not in the words of Alexander Hamilton, “restore tranquility to the commonwealth”.

It will piss off the overwhelming majority that want the rule of law restored.

It will exacerbate the gulf between the elites and real Americans.

It will prove definitively we are ruled by kleptomaniacs and tyrants of the highest order.

It will fan the flames of discontent.

It will not bring tranquility to anyone other than the clintooons.
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Yes a thousand times!!


“In keeping silent about evil, in burying it so deep within us that no sign of it appears on the surface, we are implanting it, and it will rise up a thousand fold in the future. When we neither punish nor reproach evildoers, we are not simply protecting their trivial old age, we are thereby ripping the foundations of justice from beneath new generations.”

Aleksandr I. Solzhenitsyn, The Gulag Archipelago 1918-1956
 
Flippper

Flippper

Time Traveler
Lurker said:
Yes. We had a thread about this a bit back. Pardoned even before the DOJ steps up, how's that. AND, for FUTURE crimes too (I think).
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Not for future crimes, and my understanding, after doing a bit of reading is, one must have been charged and convicted of crimes against the United States to obtain a pardon.

Here's a little bit that's easy to digest:
One limitation is that a pardon cannot be issued for a crime that has not yet been committed. Pardons also don't affect civil cases, or state or local cases. Pardons are meant to dismiss sentences stemming from affronts to the United States through the breaking of laws. They're not intended to relieve an individual from his responsibility to make restitution to a victim's family, for example, which would be considered a personal affront. So a presidential pardon of a criminal sentence would not relieve the defendant from paying restitution from a related civil case.

One must be sentenced in order to be given a pardon from that sentence is what I take from the above. I'm concerned that Trump will try to stop a criminal trial or give that murdering witch a pardon after the fact should she be convicted and sentenced.
 
Kris Gandillon

Kris Gandillon

The Other Curmudgeon
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As we have discussed MANY, MANY times here...

Gerald Ford pardoned Richard Nixon for any crimes he MAY have committed while president between certain dates.

Nixon was never indicted for anything.

Now, Therefore, I, Gerald R. Ford, President of the United States, pursuant to the pardon power conferred upon me by Article II, Section 2, of the Constitution, have granted and by these presents do grant a full, free, and absolute pardon unto Richard Nixon for all offenses against the United States which he, Richard Nixon, has committed or may have committed or taken part in during the period from January 20, 1969 through August 9, 1974.
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http://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/ws/?pid=4696
 
Millwright

Millwright

Knuckle Dragger
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Trump said in public that he wouldn't go after her.

I think he will keep his word.

BUT!!!!

When the Congressional investigators request pertinent information from the alfabits, they can be directed to give up everything.

The only part that is fuzzy to me is how you go from Congress to an indictment.

I don't think they can file criminal charges, what prosecutor would they hand things off to?
 
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night driver

ESFP adrift in INTJ sea
Flippper said:
Not for future crimes, and my understanding, after doing a bit of reading is, one must have been charged and convicted of crimes against the United States to obtain a pardon.

Here's a little bit that's easy to digest:
One limitation is that a pardon cannot be issued for a crime that has not yet been committed. Pardons also don't affect civil cases, or state or local cases. Pardons are meant to dismiss sentences stemming from affronts to the United States through the breaking of laws. They're not intended to relieve an individual from his responsibility to make restitution to a victim's family, for example, which would be considered a personal affront. So a presidential pardon of a criminal sentence would not relieve the defendant from paying restitution from a related civil case.

One must be sentenced in order to be given a pardon from that sentence is what I take from the above. I'm concerned that Trump will try to stop a criminal trial or give that murdering witch a pardon after the fact should she be convicted and sentenced.
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Lurker said:
Ahhh - thanks for the info, wasn't real positive about the future stuff.
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Like Kris has said, we have covered this from ALL directions MANY times. Have you not read even ONE of those threads???

1) Charges are not necessary for a Presidential Pardon.
2) Convictions are not necessary for a Presidential Pardon.
3) The ONLY FEDERAL charges NOT open to Presidential Pardon is TREASON...
4) State and local charges are not open to Presidential Pardon.
5) Pardons MAY cover hitherto undiscovered actions during specific PAST time frames (cf G. Ford pardoning R. Nixon). REGARDLESS of where the person was while violating whichever law appertains.



Can we PLEASE put this to bed????
 
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