Help Fish antibiotics

[Jaybird]

Does anyone know where I can find a list of fish antibiotics and there human use equivalent?

 

[1911user]

This article sort of answers your question. Fish Antibiotics For Humans | For Preppers And Survival
I copied the pertinent part, worth going to the link to read with better formatting.

Fish Antibiotics - Free Shipping on NON-Prescription Fish Antibiotics <<<----- site selling the brand names listed below, worth looking into, ordered some amoxycillin from them this week with no issues. This is a Loup recommended fish antibiotics website but there are other places that also sell it.

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The list below gives the fish antibiotic name, active ingredients, dosage and what symptoms they cure.

Fish Antibiotic
Fin Mox Forte
Active Ingredient
Amoxicillin
Dosage
500mg
Amoxicillin is a penicillin antibiotic that fights bacteria. Amoxicillin is used to treat many different types of infection caused by bacteria, such as tonsillitis, bronchitis, pneumonia, gonorrhoea, and infections of the ear, nose, throat, skin, or urinary tract.

Fish Antibiotic
Fin Flex Forte
Active Ingredient
Cephalexin
Dosage
500mg
Cephalexin is a cephalosporin (SEF a low spor in) antibiotic. It works by fighting bacteria in your body. Cephalexin is used to treat infections caused by bacteria, including upper respiratory infections, ear infections, skin infections, and urinary tract infections.

Fish Antibiotic
Fin Flox Forte
Active Ingredient
Ciprofloxacin
Dosage
500mg
Ciprofloxacin is an antibiotic used to treat a number of bacterial infections. This includes bone and joint infections, intra abdominal infections, certain type of infectious diarrhea, respiratory tract infections, skin infections, typhoid fever, and urinary tract infections, among others

Fish Antibiotic
Fin Pen Forte
Active Ingredient
Penicillin
Dosage
500mg
Penicillin (PCN or pen) is a group of antibiotics which include penicillin G(intravenous use), penicillin V (use by mouth), procaine penicillin, and benzathine penicillin (intramuscular use). Penicillin antibiotics were among the first medications to be effective against many bacterial infections caused by staphylococci and streptococci.
*side note:
Penicillin was among the first natural oral antibiotic that could be used for medicinal
purposes, and discovered in the 1950s.
However, two other drugs, Ampicillin and Amoxicillin are within the Penicillin family, so if you are allergic to either of those medicines, you will also be allergic to Penicillin.
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[Jaybird]

Thanks!

 

[Jackpine Savage]

Another good one to have on hand is doxycycline.

From the CDC website

Tick Bite Prophylaxis. In areas that are highly endemic for Lyme disease, a single prophylactic dose of doxycycline (200 mg for adults or 4.4 mg/kg for children of any age weighing less than 45 kg) may be used to reduce the risk of acquiring Lyme disease after the bite of a high risk tick bite.

Tick Bite Prophylaxis | Tick-borne Diseases | Ticks | CDC

 

[Jaybird]

Thanks. I’ll get some of that also.

 

[psychgirl]

I had the same question, regarding whether or not taking these for human use is actually safe (?).... has anyone here used them already or are you all just assuming they’re the same?

I’m looking at these sites, myself.

 

[psychgirl]

Another good one to have on hand is doxycycline.

From the CDC website



Tick Bite Prophylaxis | Tick-borne Diseases | Ticks | CDC

Doxy is what they often prescribe for pneumonia or if secondary bacterial infections don’t clear up with first round antibiotic treatment. I had to take it last year... nasty little drug, that Doxy is. “Can” cause stomach pain, diarrhea, permanent discoloring of the teeth. I wouldn’t take it again unless I have to.

 

[Jackpine Savage]

Doxy is what they often prescribe for pneumonia or if secondary bacterial infections don’t clear up with first round antibiotic treatment. I had to take it last year... nasty little drug, that Doxy is. “Can” cause stomach pain, diarrhea, permanent discoloring of the teeth. I wouldn’t take it again unless I have to.

Another side affect of doxy can be sensitivity to sunlight.

 

[coloradohermit]

I've taken the fish amoxycilin 500 mg and given it to friends who've taken it with no ill effects. I've also taken the doxy with no ill effects. I read somewhere years ago that the only difference between human antibiotics and fish/bird antibiotics is that the animal version has fewer fillers than the human versions. I don't remember the source of that info, but I found the source and info credible at the time.

 

[Hawke]

I had the same question, regarding whether or not taking these for human use is actually safe (?).... has anyone here used them already or are you all just assuming they’re the same?

I’m looking at these sites, myself.

I've used Fish Mox (amoxicillin) for several years now to deal with sore throats and keep them from turning into bronchitis with no ill effects whatsoever. Works just as well as the Amoxil my pediatrician always prescribed for me when I was a kid.

 

[psychgirl]

Thank you for replies. I feel better knowing you’ve all tried them.

The main reason I asked is, at work I casually mentioned them for human use in an emergency (wink) and about got eyerolled and laughed out of them room.
I was really embarrassed.

 

[coloradohermit]

"I was really embarrassed. "
Never be embarrassed by other peoples' ignorance.

 

[GenErik]

You might want to look at healthypets.com for their fish antibiotics. I compared their prices with the other site listed in the 2nd post and it's cheaper ($15.00 less) for the 3 bottles I put in my cart.

I have bought from them in the past and never had a problem.

 

[Reasonable Rascal]

Researched the safety of these for human use back in the later 90's and the conclusion was there is no difference. Nothing has changed since then.

RR

 

[Jaybird]

Anyone know the shelf life of these?

 

[summerthyme]

Anyone know the shelf life of these?

Years, if kept cool and dry. Read the bottle label, and follow the storage instructions! If it says "controlled room temperature", they mean it. Aim for the cooler part of that range if possible, but don't assume that refrigeration or freezing is "better".

Summerthyme

 

[1911user]

Anyone know the shelf life of these?

This link shows the current expiration date of the meds they are selling (from post 2).

https://fishmoxfishflex.com/pages/medicine-expiration-dates

In my case, it was accurate compared to what was printed on the bottles.
Amoxicillin tablets are 2 years from date of manufacture.

Expiration Dates

Last Updated & Shipment Received: 12/18/2019
Wondering what the expiration date is on one of the fish antibiotics we carry and how to know if the company you are buying from has good expiration dates? Check our fish antibiotic expiration date page here. We update it every time we get a new shipment. That way you can compare with the medicine you have bought from other websites (but hopefully from ours) to make sure you received the newest batch of medicine.

1. Fish Mox - Amoxicillin 250 mg (100 Count) - 11/2021
2. Fish Mox - Amoxicillin 250 mg (30 Count) - 11/2021
3. Fish Mox - Amoxicillin 250 mg (12 Count) - 04/2021
4. Fish Mox Forte - Amoxicillin 500 mg (100 Count) - 01/2022
5. Fish Mox Forte - Amoxicillin 500 mg (30 Count) - 01/2022
6. Fish Zole - Metronidazole 250 mg (30 Count) - 05/2021
7. Fish Zole - Metronidazole 250 mg (100 Count) - 03/2021
8. Fish Zole Forte - Metronidazole 500 mg (30 Count) - 05/2021
9. Fish Flex - Cephalexin 250 mg (100 Count) - 11/2021
10. Fish Flex - Cephalexin 250 mg (30 Count) - 11/2021
11. Fish Flex - Cephalexin 250 mg (12 Count) - 11/2021
12. Fish Flex Forte - Cephalexin 500 mg (100 Count) - 12/2021
13. Fish Flex Forte - Cephalexin 500 mg (30 Count) - 09/2021
14. Fish Flex Forte - Cephalexin 500 mg (12 Count) - 09/2021
15. Fish Pen - Penicillin 250 mg (100 Count) - 04/2021
16. Fish Pen - Penicillin 250 mg (30 Count) - 05/2021
17. Fish Pen - Penicillin 250 mg (12 Count) - 12/2020
18. Fish Pen Forte - Pencillin 500 mg (100 Count) - 05/2021
19. Fish Pen Forte - Pencillin 500 mg (30 Count) - 05/2021
20. Fish Fungus - Ketoconazole 200 mg (30 Count) - 05/2020
21. Fish Flox - Ciprofloxacin 250 mg (30 Count) - 12/2021
22. Fish Flox Forte - Ciprofloxacin 500 mg (30 Count) - 03/2022
23. Fish Flox - Ciprofloxacin 250 mg (100 Count) - 03/2021
24. Fish Flox Forte - Ciprofloxacin 500 mg (100 Count) - 03/2022
25. Fish Tapes - Praziquantel 34 mg (30 Count) - 05/2021
26. Fish Tapes Forte Powder Packets - Praziquantel 170 mg (30 Count) - 09/2022
27. Fish Cin - Clindamycin 150 mg (100 Count) - 02/2022
28. Fish Cin - Clindamycin 150 mg (30 Count) - 11/2021
29. Bird Sulfa - 400 mg Sulfamethoxazole&80 mg Trimethoprim (100 Count) - 01/2021
30. Bird Sulfa - 400 mg Sulfamethoxazole&80 mg Trimethoprim (30 Count) - 01/2021
31. Fish Sulfa Forte - 800 mg Sulfameth.& 160 mg Trimethoprim (100 Count) - 12/2021
32. Fish Sulfa Forte - 800 mg Sulfameth.& 160 mg Trimethoprim (30 Count) - 12/2021
33. Fish Tapes - Praziquantel 34 mg (12 Count) 02/2021
34. Bird Biotic Powder Packets - Doxycycline 100 mg (60 Count) - 10/2020
35. Bird Biotic Powder Packets - Doxycycline 100 mg (30 Count) - 10/2020
36. Bird Biotic Powder Packets - Doxycycline 100 mg (12 Count) - 10/2020
37. Bird Biotic Tablets - Doxycycline 100 mg (100 Count) - 05/2022
38. Bird Biotic Tablets - Doxycycline 100 mg (30 Count) - 06/2023
39. Fish Zole Forte Powder Packets - Metronidazole 500 mg (60 Count) - 10/2021
40. Fish Zole Forte Powder Packets - Metronidazole 500 mg (12 Count) - 10/2021
41. Fish Mycin Powder Packets - Erythromycin 250 mg (60 Count) - 09/2020
42. Fish Mycin Powder Packets - Erythromycin 250 mg (12 Count) - 09/2020
43. Fish Doxy Powder Packets - Doxycycline 100 mg (60 Count) - 10/2020
44. Fish Doxy Powder Packets - Doxycycline 100 mg (12 Count) - 10/2020
45. Fish Doxy Tablets - Doxycycline 100 mg (100 Count) - 12/2021
46. Fish Doxy Tablets - Doxycycline 100 mg (30 Count) - 06/2023 <<<<<<<---------- note this one
47. Fish Bendazole Powder Packets - Fenbendazole 250 mg (30 Count) - 10/2022
48. Fish Bendazole Powder Packets - Fenbendazole 250 mg (12 Count) - 10/2022
49. Fish Bendazole Powder Packets - Fenbendazole 250 mg (3 Count) - 10/2022
50. Fish Flucon - Fluconazole 100 mg (30 Count) - 10/2021
51. Fish Flucon - Fluconazole 100 mg (12 Count) - 10/2021
52. Fish Min - Minocycline 50 mg (12 Count) - 12/2021
53. Fish Min - Minocycline 50 mg (30 Count) - 04/2022
54. Bird Zithro - Azithromycin 250 mg (12 Count) - 05/2021
55. Bird Zithro - Azithromycin 250 mg (30 Count) - 05/2021

 

[Cardinal]

There was some talk of changes being made as many caught on to the fact that lots of people are using them for themselves. I do not know what if anything came of that talk.

 

[LoupGarou]

I had the same question, regarding whether or not taking these for human use is actually safe (?).... has anyone here used them already or are you all just assuming they’re the same?

I’m looking at these sites, myself.

They are made on the same pharmaceutical productions lines as the human meds are, just put in a different bottle. There are plenty of Doctors I know that tell people about them and their use. DoomandBloom.net ( The website of Dr. Joe Alton and Amy Alton, ARNP ), has the link to the one I suggested above ( fishmoxfishflex.com ). They also have two good books that I would suggest: "The Survival Medicine Handbook", and "Altons Antibiotics and Infectious Disease: The Layman's Guide To Available Antibacterials in Austere Settings". I also would suggest checking out their youtube channel as they have a bunch of good info up there.
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And as far as expiration dates, the ones on any medicine's label are a VERY safe limit. The DoD did a study (Shelf Life Extension Program, SLEP) back in the 80s that proved that most meds are 100% fine for 5-20 years past that date.

Shelf Life Extension Program

The Defense Health Agency (DHA), in coordination with the military departments, the Defense Logistics Agency, and the Food and Drug Administration (FDA), administers a comprehensive Shelf Life Extension Program (SLEP).

health.mil

Federal Shelf Life Extension Program Fact Sheet | State Public Health | ASTHO

www.astho.org

Or, put in civilian speak:
What are Expiration Dates on Medications?

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OaS8qtjnUlU

(6:56)


Loup

 

[LoupGarou]

And for a "second opinion"...

Investigative Report: Do Antibiotic Expiration Dates Matter? – The Survival Doctor

thesurvivaldoctor.com

Loup

 

[1911user]

This is worth watching if you are considering storing antibiotics.

My Top Antibiotics to Store for Preparedness, by Dr. Joseph Alton
R/T: 9 min

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RcIWM-6oY2c

 

[Profit of Doom]

Doxy is what they often prescribe for pneumonia or if secondary bacterial infections don’t clear up with first round antibiotic treatment. I had to take it last year... nasty little drug, that Doxy is. “Can” cause stomach pain, diarrhea, permanent discoloring of the teeth. I wouldn’t take it again unless I have to.

Doxy is also a first or second choice for almost all bacterial bioweapons, including Anthrax.

 

[1911user]

I ordered some fish doxycycline pills from post 17.
It's more insurance in case the amoxicillin isn't strong enough or someone gets a bad tick bite.

Fish meds almost certainly come from china, so I decided not to wait any longer.

 

[Profit of Doom]

Let us not forget AllDayChemist as a supplier, real “human” medicine, although it’s probably the same stuff, it is at least labeled for human use.

 

[psychgirl]

Let us not forget AllDayChemist as a supplier, real “human” medicine, although it’s probably the same stuff, it is at least labeled for human use.

Yes, that was my first choice but they only take certain forms of payment, nobevthat o have , such as bitcoin, and others I wasn’t familiar with... but they will take the routing number from your back account ... so I did t follow through with the order. I don’t ya e any checks and wasn’t ready to figure out the whole routing number thing. Was hoping for a simple PayPal or vise form of payment.

Sigh...

 

[1911user]

check info from here: Lookup Routing Numbers On A Check | Checking | Chase.com

 

[1911user]

I received the doxycyline yesterday and the date code was 06/2023 as expected.
This and the amoxycillin are the only antibiotics I plan to store in case of pharmacy shortage.

edit: I noticed that prices increased since Wednesday on doxycyline, metronidazole, clindamycin, and azithromyacin. Prices did not increase on the older, more common amoxycillin and sulfa. This is from the one place, I didn't check other sources or distributors. These were the antibiotics listed/mentioned in the video in post 21.

 

[kyrsyan]

Just checked ADC and all the prices were drastically increased from the last time I looked. I'm guessing it's a supply and demand thing. But since I am actually ordering today to help my very old dog with an infection, pet antibiotics work.

Oh, playing on the ADC and did the search a different way, and found the ones in the lower price point range. Hmm...

 

[Txkstew]

California Vet Supply has a large variety of antibiotics that are cheaper than the two websites listed in this thread. Free shipping on orders of $49 or more. I'd suggest getting some Sulfamethoxazole, aka generic Bactrim, which is what's used for Staph infections. I have a good stock of Amoxicillin, Penicillin, Ciprofloxacin, and Sulfamethoxazole. I do need to order some Cephalexin, as that is what the vet prescribed for a cyst on my dog's back. I'd also like to find a source for Azithromycin. The first link in this thread carries it, but is out of stock, and very expensive when they do have it.

The fish pills and capsules are the same USP pharmacy quality antibiotics as human, and the pill/capsules are the same shape, size and markings as the equivalent human meds. You can check on Drugs.com pill finder.

Fish Antibiotics in Capsules and Tablets

www.calvetsupply.com

 

[1911user]

Kraft Drug – Your source for fish antibiotics

They have azithromycin for $28 for 12 pills (250mg). Pricing on most antibiotics has gone up in the last few months.

California vet supply has a good price for the 800mg/160mg bactrim, thanks.