FATAL FLU: Is a Historic Pandemic Due This Winter?

<B><center>Fatal Flu
July 27 - Aug 2 2005
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<font size=+0 color=Red><u>A historic pandemic like that of 1918 is likely, perhaps as soon as this winter, and unless you're a health or government worker, no one's planning to save you</u>.</font>
In Seattle, the police wore masks during the great 1918–19 flu pandemic, which killed 1,600 here, 600,000–700,000 in the U.S., and 20 million worldwide.</B></center>
More on Flu:

The best resource for breaking news about the spread of avian flu is avianflu.typepad.com/avianflu.

The World Health Organization's main avian flu site is designed mostly for professionals, but there's a great deal of information there for concerned lay people as well.

For a quick overview of pandemic influenza as it affected Seattle in 1918, see HistoryLink.

A more extended treatment, with sidelights on today's threat, is to be found in William Dietrich's 2004 cover story for the Pacific Northwest magazine of The Seattle Times.

Qinghai Lake is a long way off the beaten path, but in August and September the huge salt lake in northwest China is a great place for bird-watchers, as hundreds of thousands of migratory waterfowl rise and wheel above its shallow, fish-rich waters before beginning long journeys back to their winter feeding grounds in Europe, Alaska, and Australia.

This summer, they leave behind a less edifying sight: thousands of birds, dead and rotting, washing up on the Qinghai beaches. Tests show that the birds died from infection with a virulent strain of avian influenza that goes by the designation A (H5N1). This is very bad news for breeders of domestic ducks, geese, and even chickens, because their closely confined flocks can be devastated by infections from their wild cousins from afar.

It is even worse news for humans, because this strain of "bird flu" also kills people. In 1997, half a dozen residents of Hong Kong succumbed after picking it up from infected domestic birds. After a brief reappearance in 2003 in Hong Kong, H5N1 broke out with a vengeance in early 2004 in Vietnam and Thailand, killing thousands of domestic fowl, requiring the destruction of millions more, and killing 23 people—more than half of those who became infected. Scariest of all, the Southeast Asian outbreak provided evidence for the first time that people were not just catching the flu from birds but from each other.

World health experts have been issuing ever more alarming warnings that the H5N1 flu strain, if it becomes easily transmissible between humans, could sweep the world in a matter of months, as did the last big pandemic flu outbreak in 1918–19, which killed more than 20 million people worldwide, up to 700,000 of them in the U.S. Until last year, though, health officials found it difficult to get the attention of politicians in a position to act. Even before the Qinghai outbreak, there was indirect evidence that avian flu was well established in China, but the Chinese government, following the same if-you-don't-mention-it-it-will-go-away policy that allowed the SARS virus to spread unnoticed, won't talk about it. Scientists who asked to study live Qinghai birds, to see if they were carriers of H5N1, were told to mind their own business. And, of course, the highest authorities in the U.S. have been preoccupied with more urgent issues, like Terri Schiavo, school prayer, and gay marriage.

Nonetheless, growing pressure from the scientific and health communities has slowly forced the issue on authorities. Scientist-bureaucrats ranging from Anthony Fauci, the infectious-disease chief of the National Institutes of Health, to Centers for Disease Control and Prevention Director Julie Gerberding recently issued warnings that the threat of a pandemic outbreak is both severe and immediate. Even President Bush's choice to head the Department of Health and Human Services, Mike Leavitt, chosen primarily for his reputation as a ferocious welfare and health care "reformer," has begun to beat the drum to attract attention to the possibly imminent threat.

But even before last year's outbreak in Asia, a lot of basic work behind the scenes had been done to prepare some nations, if not the world at large, for a superepidemic that could begin as soon as this winter and is almost certain to hit within five years. Although this planning as been ill-supported, underfunded, and poorly coordinated, the fact it's happening is good news. The bad news is that, so far, virtually all the preparation, including that in metropolitan Seattle, has been done to ensure that society at large survives the devastating impact, with little attention paid to helping individuals improve their chances of survival.

Geese at Qinghai Lake in northwest China, where thousands of birds have died from avian influenza.
(China Photos / Getty Images)
Pandemic influenza is a worldwide threat, but fighting an out-break has to happen country by country, town by town. The people charged with developing a local response in this area are headquartered in a warren of anonymously comfortable offices on the 12th floor of the Wells Fargo Tower in downtown Seattle. A conference room off the lobby is walled on three sides with tables of organizational and procedural charts and decision "trees," all in print small enough to challenge even the clear-sighted.

It's an impressive display, but closer inquiry reveals that the work of Public Health–Seattle & King County's medical preparedness section has really only begun. Headed by Michael Loehr, who came to head the office after two years managing King County's blanket emergency-preparedness plan, the office first had to establish liaison—and credibility—with leaders and personnel in some 40 municipalities and a dozen or more state and regional agencies. "Since 9/11, police and fire and emergency workers all around the county had expanding emergency capacity, buying new equipment," says Loehr. "They expected us to give them guidance, and we were absolutely not ready. Next, we have to build up our health care coalition"— there are 20 medical centers countywide, dozens of group practices, and thousands of individual physicians—"to plan how to cope with a 25 percent to 30 percent infection rate, a several-hundred percent rise in inpatient demand, a third of staff and medical personnel out sick at any one time."

Phase two planning entails reaching out to major employers to encourage them to develop measures to continue to operate during a medical emergency. That is expected to take another year or so. Plans to alert and prepare the average citizen are so far limited to producing posters and public-service announcements reminding us of the importance of frequent hand washing and covering one's mouth before coughing.

If that sounds to you like a pretty inadequate response to preparing for a possibly imminent deadly epidemic, you're right. Funding for public health nationwide has been shrinking for decades. The preparedness section's work is done on an annual budget of a little more than $3 million, two-thirds of it in the form of a grant from the federal Centers for Disease Control (CDC). That, says James Apa, Public Health–Seattle & King County's communications director, goes to cover "surveillance, planning, risk communications, lab capacity, and training efforts for public-health emergencies," with more than $800,000 specifically earmarked "for development of mass dispensing capability, specifically for large-scale anthrax events." That's a fairly broad mandate for a full-time staff of nine. If it weren't for the federal government's sudden interest in emergency planning and preparedness, spurred by 2001's anthrax scare and 9/11, they would certainly be trying to get by on a whole lot less. Even with as many as 50 other employees of the public health and other county departments contributing at least part time to the effort, the danger confronting us is orders of magnitude greater than what's envisioned to respond to it.

King County epidemiologist Dr. Jeff Duchin: "Do you shut down public transit?"
(Laura Schmitt)
How to evaluate the cost of a catastrophe that hasn't occurred? Analogy. Briefly summarized, the human toll of the 1918–19 flu pandemic came to more than 20 million dead worldwide, 600,000 to 700,000 in the U.S., and 1,600 in Seattle—all in less than a year. Assuming an exact replay of 1918, the comparable numbers today would be 50 million worldwide, 2.2 million in the U.S., and 25,000 in Western Washington. But no two flu epidemics are alike, and most of the differences we can see between 1918 and today are not in our favor.

On the plus side: Communications are incomparably faster today. Most communities in 1918 didn't know the flu was coming until it was entrenched. But travel has speeded up as well, with millions climbing aboard planes every day to travel to the opposite end of the Earth. In 1918, doctors had vaccines, though not enough or vaccines effective enough. Still, the shocking number of deaths reflected a U.S. mortality rate of "only" about one in 125. Today, the death rate in human H5 infections so far has been one of every two people infected— so bad that outbreaks have tended to be self-limiting, because victims, avian or human, tend to die before they have much chance to infect those around them.

But the influenza virus is constantly evolving, in infectivity and virulence. (See "Flu's Fluidity") Just last week, a team at St. Jude's Children's Research Hospital in Memphis, Tenn., announced findings that the strain of H5N1 that wreaked havoc in the duck pens of Southeast Asia in 2002 has lost virulence among its web-footed hosts, while ramping up infectivity and remaining lethal to any chickens in the neighborhood. It's just such a change in human hosts that could turn H5N1 from a hit man among infections into a mass murderer. As for the economic consequences, they are incalculable but surely would be catastrophic. It's estimated that the three-month outbreak of a similarly contagious and sometimes fatal respiratory illness, severe acute respiratory syndrome (SARS), in 2003 cost Canada well more than $1 billion U.S., two-thirds of that in Toronto alone.

An experimental flu vaccine aimed at H5N1 is being tested, but the virus could evolve too fast.
(Alex Wong / Getty Images)
One has to sympathize with teams like that of the medical preparedness section. Faced with a threat like this, the man and woman on the street look to the medical authorities for help to ensure they and their loved ones survive. But professional plague planners have to look at the big picture—not just the human cost of an epidemic but its structural and economic costs as well; not just the impact on single communities but the social and political upheavals it can bring about in whole nations. What this boils down to in practice is that for local planners, preparing for pandemic influenza has very little to do with saving any given individual human life and a great deal to do with preserving human institutions—hospitals, public safety, commerce, transport, and government in general.

A good example of where the human factor comes into the preparation equation is the planners' casual use of the word "triage." The American Heritage Dictionary defines triage as "a process for sorting injured people into groups based on their need for or likely benefit from immediate medical treatment." Medics at the front during World War I, when the term first came into general use, had a more trenchant definition: "You lot: cuppa tea and back to the trenches. Those poor sods over there, make 'em comfortable and leave 'em to heaven. Now let's see what we can do to put the rest of 'em back together."

Another term in common usage is "surge." With a tsunami, the height and intensity of a wave is a major indicator of the damage it does. There's no way to reduce the height of a tsunami, but even without medications or vaccines, there is a way to affect the impact of an epidemic surge, by spreading it out, slowing the rate of infection as it passes through the population, reducing its peak intensity—and thereby its heaviest impact on hospitals and emergency personnel. But slowing the rate of infection doesn't have much effect on how many people get sick or how sick they get when they do, only on how long it takes for them to come down with the disease. The hospital might be less stressed, but in the end, pretty much the same number of people sicken and die.

The only real way to slow down an epidemic is to reduce the number of contacts between sick people and well people. And since people with flu are infectious for a day or more before they know that they're sick, the best way to reduce contact is to prevent it altogether. In 1918, Seattle Mayor Ole Hanson was credited with keeping the city's disease and death tolls far below San Francisco's simply by shuttering schools, theaters, and other public places. He was persuaded to leave restaurants and shops open, but he was widely vilified by fellow public officials and business leaders for closing the other places and left the city soon after.

If you think we're more enlightened today, think about what ticket holders would say if King County Executive Ron Sims canceled Paul McCartney's Nov. 3 appearance at KeyArena. If the SuperSonics' season was put on indefinite hold. If Belltown clubbies were forbidden to gather in crowded, smoky rooms to hear their favorite bands. How effective do you think the ban would be?

Thanks to a little-noticed change in the state's legal code, local officials have clear authority to quarantine infected individuals and those they've been in contact with. But even with increased authority to enforce "reduced contact," the challenges facing local government and institutions are almost insurmountable. "Public transit is clearly an area full of opportunities for infection," says King County epidemiologist Dr. Jeff Duchin. "So do you shut down public transit and have everybody jump in their cars instead? Schools are also a place where influenza spreads very easily. So you shut down school; who stays home with the kids, and for how long?" What about the homeless—the walking wounded, who would turn downtown Seattle, with its free-to-all buses, into what one might call a rolling hot zone?

Almost worse than a recalcitrant public is a passive reaction from other public agencies. Repeated calls to Seattle Public Schools about influenza preparedness finally produced a statement from the press office that "the schools depend for guidance in such a situation on the public-health authorities." Inquiries of other public bodies produced much the same response. The county's medical preparedness section also has its work cut out for it trying to mobilize business support for emergency programs. Steve Wilhelm reports in the current issue of the Puget Sound Business Journal that the preparedness folks have yet to receive a single proactive inquiry about flu from the business community.

Of all the major institutions in the county, the University of Washington appears to be by far the best prepared, with separate though cooperating offices on the upper campus and at University Hospital developing concrete plans in the event of an epidemic. "Our system has been growing since [the 1950s'] civil-defense days," says Tamlyn Thomas, the UW Medical Center's emergency management coordinator. "Since 9/11, we've looked at our systems again and again, but the SARS scare gave us real-world, high-level requirements to aim for—not just ventilation and isolation but, for example, transportation of patients sick and well from one location to another." The UW system looks to public-health authorities mainly for negative assistance. "When an epidemic strikes, people tend to rush to hospitals. We hope public health will keep people informed, tell them when to go to a hospital and when to stay home."

"Keep people informed"—easier said than done. Since there's no official channel for health information dispersal, public-health authorities, like other public officials, depend almost entirely on the media to spread the word, and the media have pretty much only two volume settings: inaudible and deafening. Seattle Weekly employees are probably better informed than most information consumers about health news, but in an informal office survey last week, nine out of 10 didn't know that the 2005 flu season might be out of the ordinary, or might call for any special behavior on their part. Even if you've noticed the occasional inside-the-newspaper items documenting the slow spread of avian flu in humans across Southeast Asia, you might not realize the global significance, what it might mean for you and your loved ones in the very near future.

Planning to fight the flu in Seattle, from left: James Apa, Dorothy Teeter, and Michael Loehr.
(Laura Schmitt)
Talking to public-health officials about coping with a flu epidemic, one is struck by how their planning is dominated by caring for the already ill and how little is directed at prevention. Without persistent questioning, one might never learn that there are ways to reduce one's chance of becoming ill and of mitigating the illness once it's struck. The biggest reason for this fatalistic acceptance seems to be the dogma that the only real way of preventing death and illness from influenza is through vaccines, and that there's no way to produce an effective vaccine for a particular strain of influenza until an epidemic is well advanced.

Until recently, the dogma remained true, but primarily because no one was working very hard to disprove it in practice. But the avian flu threat is so great that vaccine business as usual is no longer an option. Last year, the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases announced a little-noticed contract with two major vaccine producers to begin development of an "investigational" vaccine based on H5N1. Recognizing that H5N1 would continue to evolve in its bird hosts, scientists hoped that a vaccine based on a partial immunological match with the wild virus would convey at least some protection against infection.

In what must be record time for vaccine development, one of the contractors, Sanofi Pasteur, delivered 8,000 doses of the H5N1 vaccine at the beginning of last March. Clinical testing with human subjects has begun. Eight thousand doses? Well, it's a start, and, as the institute said, unconsciously revealing its priorities, "production of such a vaccine on a commercial scale could be used to protect laboratory workers, public-health personnel, and, if needed, the general public."

Vaccine production is a sleepy and largely neglected branch of the booming pharmaceutical business, but Sanofi Pasteur at least seems to be waking up to its potential. In addition to the contract with the Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases, the company is making experimental pandemic-flu vaccine for researchers in the U.K. and France and for the European Union, which has fast-tracked the approval process for such a product. And it's contracted with the U.S. National Institutes of Health to deliver 2 million doses of H5-based vaccine in time for the coming flu season.

Hopeful as these developments are, nobody knows how effective a "generic" H5 vaccine will turn out to be, and even if it proves out, 2 million doses is insufficient to mount more than a pilot vaccination program. Fortunately, those of us who don't qualify as either laboratory workers or public-health personnel have alternative ways to prepare for the worst. Despite the incredible expansion of biomedical knowledge since 1918, only two medications effective against the flu virus have been discovered. Neither prevents infection, but both have been proven to palliate its effects.

One such medication, amantadine, has been known for at least a quarter-century to be effective in hampering virus reproduction and limiting the severity and duration of infections. Unfortunately, some flu strains are already resistant to amantadine, and its severe side effects prevent use by many of the most vulnerable patients, above all the aged. The other medication, oseltamivir, shows much greater promise—or it would if anyone showed much interest in producing enough of it to make a difference.

Available in the U.S. under the trade name Tamiflu, oseltamivir can stop a flu infection in its tracks, if taken within the first day or so of the onset of symptoms (fever, muscle aches, headache). It's not an ideal treatment—it's expensive ($50 and up for a five-day course). It can't be used on infants. And it can't guarantee that you won't come down with the flu again next week. But it's by far the most effective real-time treatment for the flu yet devised for retarding and palliating a flu pandemic.

Oseltamivir also, considering its importance, is in ludicrously short supply. The nonprofit Trust for America's Health reports that as of May, the U.S. had stockpiled 2.3 million "courses" of the drug, and Congress recently appropriated enough money to buy another 3 million courses by 2007. That's 5 million courses to split between the more than 60 million Americans conservatively expected to be infected during a pandemic. If pandemic flu were to hit this year, by the time enough of the drug was allocated to "essential" personnel—hospital employees, police and fire emergency workers, the military, and, of course, most essential of all, high-ranking members of government—there would be essentially none left for private citizens.

So ordinary citizens might want to make some preparations on their own. Oseltamivir, for the moment at least, is widely available by prescription. Properly stored, it has a five-year shelf life. If you have a sympathetic doctor, you might be able to get a prescription before you need it. It might as well spend its time on your shelf as on the pharmacy's. Considering how long it takes on average to get in to see a doctor, that might be your only chance to get the drug into your system in time to do any good. Unfortunately, a study released just last week indicates that in mice, at least, Tamiflu is less than half as effective against H5 as it is against better-known flu strains, so a single course might not suffice to stop progress of the disease.

Self-preparation might extend, too, to something as mundane as protective masks. Public-health authorities are divided about the efficacy of masks in protecting from the flu, and it's true the protection is more for the people around the wearers than the wearers themselves. But protection is protection, particularly around the home, and if you have an emergency supply of water and batteries, you might want to look into getting a supply of masks for the family emergency bin. Hospital-grade masks are expensive overkill; cheap paper masks are totally useless. The World Health Organization says that for individuals, moderately priced masks rated N95 to 100 are the way to go.

Winter 2005–06 might turn out to be a normal flu season, with familiar strains emerging as temperatures fall in temperate climes and people begin to huddle together inside for comfort. If so—and if the World Health Organization's experts have guessed right about which flu strains will predominate this year, and if there's no repeat of the vaccine-production foul-up that left millions of vulnerable Americans unprotected last winter—we can look forward to "only" about 20,000 deaths or so nationwide. But if there's anything certain in an uncertain world, it's a sure thing that whether we're ready or not, deadly flu will soon once again sweep the planet. The geese are already flying.
 

Watchingbear

Senior Member
This line stands out

and unless you're a health or government worker, no one's planning to save you.

During the anthrax outbreak in DC, all of the government workers were popping cipro like it was going out of style.

Everyone else, including postal workers who were most at risk, were on their own.

Count on the government to sieze all supplies of medicine for their own use, ,should this occur. That is why there is no effort to ramp supplies - they have got theirs locked in. The rest don't matter.

Your tax dollars at work...
 

Jumpy Frog

Browncoat sympathizer
Thanks Shakey, nice to see ya.

A little bug scares me more than most other events. But, I'm prepped for the long haul, live in a rural area, have medical training and a good group of cross trained preppers. IMO we'll be OK.

This keeps popping up year after year and nothing has happened yet. Either this is a way to increase drug company profits or epidiologists need to lay off the coffee. They're starting to sound like DHS screaming "the sky is falling....oh wait sorry we're wrong....again" :shr: .
 

Kim99

Veteran Member
If you keep checking the avian flu update page you'll see that we're posting everything we can find regarding this flu. It's definitely spreading.....
 

alpha

Veteran Member
This keeps popping up year after year and nothing has happened yet. Either this is a way to increase drug company profits or epidiologists need to lay off the coffee. They're starting to sound like DHS screaming "the sky is falling....oh wait sorry we're wrong....again"

It's actually Helen... but it has nothing to do with coffee! :groucho:
 
Jumpy Frog said:
Thanks Shakey, nice to see ya.

A little bug scares me more than most other events. But, I'm prepped for the long haul, live in a rural area, have medical training and a good group of cross trained preppers. IMO we'll be OK.

This keeps popping up year after year and nothing has happened yet. Either this is a way to increase drug company profits or epidiologists need to lay off the coffee. They're starting to sound like DHS screaming "the sky is falling....oh wait sorry we're wrong....again" :shr: .

FWIW:

If'n it was me J-F ole pard! I do believe that I'd take this BUG very SERIOUS!

While I may not be posting much of H5N1 (avian Flu) I am *WATCHING* it's progress Very Closely!

And it is a bug to be watched (I believe the term *Slate Wiper* could well apply to it's fatality record so far. And China IS Sitting on how bad the Pandemic is hitting their rural populations there..... And from all that I can find (information-wise) H5N1 has gone human to human....
 

Hansa44

Justine Case
Many are saying it may have gone human to human, but it seems that if this were true, wouldn't it be spreading faster?

During the normal flu season, these virus's spread like wildfire. Country to country, human to human, school to school. Usually so fast, businesses and schools sometimes have to shut down.

So far the avian flu doesn't seem to be doing this. Yet. But I am a firm believer in getting the preps you need NOW. If and when this starts spreading, the shelves in the stores will be wiped clean.
 
Hansa44 said:
Many are saying it may have gone human to human, but it seems that if this were true, wouldn't it be spreading faster?

During the normal flu season, these virus's spread like wildfire. Country to country, human to human, school to school. Usually so fast, businesses and schools sometimes have to shut down.

So far the avian flu doesn't seem to be doing this. Yet. But I am a firm believer in getting the preps you need NOW. <b>If and when this starts spreading, the shelves in the stores will be wiped clean.</b>


As will the coffins at the funeral parlors. You might check Martin's and Kim's postings on H5N1. I am fairly sure that they have posted articles concerning the Chinese People Liberation Army closing off (at least three cities - and their surrounding areas).

The rumors are saying that they are going house to house, and if there are persons ill with *flu-like* symptoms. Both they and their families are *disappeared*................

<center><i>If things were not getting a bit more serious; then</i>
<B> why are these govts.ogrs doing what they are doing this week?</B></center>

<B><font size=+1 color=green><center>Avian Influenza and Preparedness for a Human Health Emergency </font>
<A href="http://www.foodconsumer.org/777/8/Avian_Influenza_and_Preparedness_for_a_Human_Health_Emergency.shtml">APEC Health Task Force Symposium - San Francisco, July 28-29 </A>
Jul 25, 2005, 08:23
News Release Issued by the Asia-Pacific Economic Cooperation (APEC) Health Task Force Symposium on Avian Influenza and Preparedness for a Human Health Emergency</B></center>
Singapore, July 25, 2005 -- More than 100 officials from 21 APEC economies will meet in San Francisco, California, on July 28-29 to discuss ways to build the capacity and marshal the resources to control Avian Influenza and to respond to any related human health emergency.

The symposium will explore how Avian Influenza can affect agriculture, human health, finance and trade in the APEC region, and provide an opportunity for Member Economy representatives to discuss domestic policies that might ease those effects.

Participants will also identify resources needed to address Avian Influenza; learn about the work of international standard-setting bodies and international organizations; and discuss barriers to controlling animal and human disease.

The symposium will review international recommendations on Avian Influenza and pandemic influenza preparedness to identify methods that would work in APEC economies and analyze their capacity to implement those recommendations.

The symposium is expected to result in proposals for organizing resources to respond to Avian Influenza and the risks of a human health emergency, including action plans on a sector-by-sector and economy-by-economy basis.

The United States is sponsoring the APEC Health Task Force Symposium on Response to Outbreaks of Avian Influenza and Preparedness for a Human Health Emergency along with APEC Member Economies Hong Kong and Chinese Taipei.

U.S. Department of Agriculture Deputy Under Secretary Dr. Chuck Lambert and APEC Health Task Force Chair Dr. Amar Bhat, Office of Global Health Affairs, U.S. Department of Health and Human Services, will open the conference.

Participants will include government and private sector policy makers in the agriculture, human health, trade and foreign affairs sectors. In addition to the 21 APEC economies, representatives from Cambodia, Laos and international organizations are expected to attend.


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<B><font size=+1 color=green><center>Mysterious Illness Spreads In Sichuan China</font>
<A href="http://www.recombinomics.com/News/07250506/H5N1_Sichuan_Illness_Spread.html">Recombinomics Commentary</A>
July 25, 2005
Preliminary probe shows the unknown disease in Sichuan was caused by a kind of a swine virus known as streptococosis II. </B></center>
The province has reported 80 cases of the infection as of Monday, including 67 confirmed cases and 13 suspected cases. Nineteen people have been reported dead and 17 people are in critical condition. Four have been discharged from hospital, according to the Ministry of Health.

The patients came from 75 villages in 40 townships in cities and counties including Ziyang City, Jianyang City, Lezhi County and Zizhong County in Neijiang City.

Judging from the symptoms and tests of the dead pigs, experts reached the preliminary conclusion that the disease was caused by swine streptococosis II.

The above comments are confusing at best. The bacterium is called a virus and the rapid spread signals a virus. The high mortality (19 of the 23 outcomes have been death) decreases the likelihood of bacterial infections, which are rare in humans.

It is also unclear what a "confirmed" case is. There is no indication that the bacteria have been isolated from patients, so a confirmed case seems to be a farmer with symptoms and sick or dying pigs. Although the pigs may have a bacterial infection, that doesn't mean that the pig and/or person is not infected with a virus.

The mechanism for rapid spread of bacteria is also difficult to imagine since the number of affected villages is so large and spread over a large area.

Although boxun reports have focused on Ebola, the timing and location of this outbreak continue to raise suspicions about H5N1 bird flu migrating to or from Qinghai Lake.

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<B><font size=+1 color=red><center>Health officials ready for pandemic </font>
Jul 25 2005
<A href="http://north.cbc.ca/regional/servlet/View?filename=flu-pandemic25072005">CBC News </A>
The North's chief medical officers say they're as ready as possible to deal with an influenza pandemic or an outbreak of avian flu.</B></center>
They held their first pan-northern meeting in Iqaluit last week to discuss mutual issues of concern.

Dr. Bryce Lark, chief medical officer for the Yukon, has experienced two influenza pandemics firsthand and he says the illness knows no boundaries.

"You have to plan for the worst and hope for the best," he says.

His Northwest Territories counterpart, Dr. Andre Corriveau, says the biggest concern is dealing with a lot of people who get sick within a short period of time.

Corriveau says northern communities are remote and have fewer medical resources. But they also have some advantages.

"Because our systems are a bit smaller, we have good interactions with emergency measures folks, with community folks and the ability to contact everybody in a quick fashion and develop our plans."

All three territories have ordered doses of anti-viral drugs to protect health workers so they can take care of the ill during an outbreak.

Nunavut's Dr. Isaac Sobel says while the emergency plans are in place, they still need to be tested.

"You can think you're prepared because you've got your documentation in place (and) you've got your protocols in place," he says. "It really takes trial and testing of this, not only at a local level but at a regional and national level."

Federal Minister of State for Public Health Carolyn Bennett attended a portion of the meetings. Sobel says Bennett told the conference that emergency response tests may occur in the near future.

The three chief medical officers hope the meeting will become an annual event.

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<B><font size=+1 color=purple><center>Private family doctors prepare for flu pandemic</font>
July 25 2005
<A href="http://217.145.4.56/ind/news.asp?newsitemid=19194">The Malta Independent online</A>
The Association of Private Family Doctors has advised patients to pre-book an influenza vaccination in view of the possibility of an avian flu pandemic.</B></center>
Members of the association were informed at a general meeting about the latest developments in the progression of Avian Influenza in Asia, in order that they can be better prepared to tackle the impact of an eventual and highly probable influenza pandemic hitting Malta.

The meeting was addressed by National Influenza Pandemic Steering Committee chairperson Tanya Melillo Fenech

During the meeting, measures for ensuring that patients are better informed through the members’ individual practices, and ways of increasing the coverage rate for seasonal influenza vaccinations (which will start in October) were discussed.

It was generally agreed that there was still a great deal of confusion within the community when it comes to distinguishing between the normal vaccine for influenza that is given in the autumn and a vaccine for the virus that is expected to cause the influenza pandemic, which as yet does not exist. Private family doctors are actively addressing these issues every day by giving detailed explanations to individual patients who consult them. The doctors present recommended that, in order for this task to be facilitated, the Health Department could provide educational material that will supplement and reinforce the advice given by the doctor during the consultation within a clinical environment.

One of the initiatives taken by the association was to approve a leaflet urging patients to pre book the influenza vaccination. The aim of this leaflet was to inform the general public well ahead of the arrival of the vaccines so that the country will not experience undue shortages of vaccine in the autumn.

About Influenza

Influenza is a highly contagious, acute febrile, respiratory illness and has been known for centuries.

It occurs in epidemics of variable severity almost every winter and in occasional major pandemic outbreaks. Even today, “the flu” is a major burden for society, from both clinical and economical points of view.

Influenza epidemics have been recognised as a major cause of morbidity and increased mortality especially in the very young, the very old, people with chronic cardio-pulmonary conditions, pregnant women and immuno-compromised individuals.

Each year, influenza causes between three and five million cases of severe illness and kills 250,000 to 500,000 people worldwide. The World Health Organisation estimates there are currently 1,000 million people worldwide who are at risk of suffering or dying from influenza and its complications.

As the elderly population increases, future influenza epidemics will be associated with ever-increasing hospitalisation rates and excess mortality unless adequate prophylactic measures are taken. In developed countries, about 100 people per million population die annually from influenza. In Malta, this would amount to 40 deaths out of a population of 400,000. Most deaths (95 per cent) occur in those aged over 65.

It has been estimated that the cumulative mortality of annual influenza epidemics in the last century exceeded that of the three pandemics. This shows that influenza remains the most major health threat worldwide.

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<B><font size=+1 color=blue><center>Ministries on alert for Sichuan swine virus infection</font>
<A href="http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/2005-07/25/content_3266380.htm">news.xinhuanet.com</A>
BEIJING, July 25 (Xinhuanet) -- Chinese Ministry of Health and Ministry of Agriculture are closely monitoring the swine virus infection that took place in southwest China's Sichuan Province. </B></center>
The ministries have reported the infection to the World Health Organization, the UN Food and Agricultural Organization and health authorities of Hong Kong, Macao and Taiwan, said the Health Ministry Monday.

Preliminary probe shows the unknown disease in Sichuan was caused by a kind of a swine virus known as streptococosis II.

The province has reported 80 cases of the infection as of Monday, including 67 confirmed cases and 13 suspected cases. Nineteen people have been reported dead and 17 people are in critical condition. Four have been discharged from hospital, according to the Ministry of Health.

The patients came from 75 villages in 40 townships in cities and counties including Ziyang City, Jianyang City, Lezhi County and Zizhong County in Neijiang City.

All the patients had direct contact with ill or dead pigs before showing symptoms, said experts.

The patients first reported symptoms of fever, weakness and sickness, and then got symptoms of endemic bleeding and shock. Their number of the white blood cells has also been soaring along with the progression of the disease.

Judging from the symptoms and tests of the dead pigs, experts reached the preliminary conclusion that the disease was caused by swine streptococosis II.

With the enlarged searching, the number of the affected people has been increasing, but the cases were dispersed in different areas with no obvious signs of epidemic relationships. No evidence has been found that the disease can spread among human beings, said the ministry.

Swine streptococosis was first spotted in the 1950s and has been reported in many countries including France, Denmark, the United States and Canada. Enditem

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FWIW: This is not even the entire take on one day/night's news hunting efforts (I didn't post those threads which did not address your question....)

I only hope that the articles might heighten your awareness of the time; it grows short for us..

I fear.....
 

Indiansummer

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http://www.timebomb2000.com/vb/showthread.php?t=159980

Where this illness is connected to PIGS!!!! Wait, now didn't I read that pigs are the perfect vehicle for recombinomics to occur? Then we have the very important threads about the mysterious deaths of certain scientists, and their employers, and areas of expertise. Maybe the sky isn't falling, but, it sure seems like some underpinnings are coming loose, as more and more information is spread about.

http://www.timebomb2000.com/vb/showthread.php?t=138600

http://www.timebomb2000.com/vb/showthread.php?t=159980
China believes the mystery illness that has killed 19 farmers in western China is streptococcus suis, a disease common in pigs.

http://www.cidrap.umn.edu/cidrap/content/influenza/general/news/july2605flu.html

Flu viruses can evolve in unsuspected ways, study says
http://www.clickitnews.com//ubbthre...er=4041&page=0&view=collapsed&sb=5&o=&fpart=1


http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/organfarm/risks/howbig.html
Excerpts from FRONTLINE's interviews with xenotransplantation and animal retrovirus researchers, here discussing the potential threat of a cross-species virus being transmitted in xenotransplantation.










Centers For Disease Control


Does giving the pig organ human genes increase the risk of pig viruses evolving to infect us?

It's an open question. No one really knows whether these viruses would, for example, resist the defense mechanisms more than we have for porcine viruses that do not have these human antigens, so [they] could escape some of our defense mechanisms.

As you may know, we have antibodies and we have our specific defenses that now we know can protect us against some of these porcine retroviruses. If, for example, you start manipulating the pigs and introducing some of these human antigens on them, it's an open question whether you would compromise those natural defenses that you have for intact porcine viruses. And, of course if you further humanize the porcine tissue or organ, then you would allow it to persist longer in the patient. That would give it more time for a possible infection and so forth to take hold

CROSSING THE SPECIES BARRIER FROM AIDS TO EBOLA, OUR MOST DEADLY DISEASES HAVE MADE THE LEAP FROM ANIMALS TO HUMANS
http://www.conservationmedicine.org/news/boston_globe_2003.htm
 
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<B><center>The Politics of Pandemic: Is the Bird Flu Already Spreading in Asia?
<font size=+1 color=red><center>Independent assessments are imperative, experts say</font>
<A href="http://www.theepochtimes.com/news/5-7-27/30655.html">The Epoch Times </A>
Jul 27, 2005
ZIYANG, CHINA - July 26: A patient suffering from a mysterious disease is moved to an isolation ward at the Ziyang First People's Hospital in Sichuan Province, southwest China.</B></center>
While official reports cite a swine bacterium as the probable cause, circumstantial evidence and lack of independent confirmation cast doubt on the verdict.

Over the past four weeks, an unidentified disease has killed at least 24 people and made at least 117 others ill in China’s Sichuan province, state-controlled media has reported.

Sichuan health officials say neither H5N1, the bird flu viral variant that is expected to cause the coming avian flu pandemic, nor Severe Acute Respiratory Syndrome (SARS), is causing the deaths. They say a pig pathogen, a bacterium called Streptococcus suis, is responsible for the infections that have been reported in 75 villages and 40 townships, some in close proximity to large city centres.

However, conflicting assessments from experts have cast doubt on this claim, and have highlighted the need for transparency in China’s disease monitoring system.

Both Promedmail.org and Recombinomics.com, websites that closely track infectious diseases, suggest that a swine bacterium is an unlikely cause. According to them, the reported symptoms, the widespread geography of those affected, the speed at which the disease has spread, and the past sporadic (as opposed to “outbreak”) incidence of Streptococcus suis, all point the finger another, more likely viral, cause.

Affirming the true nature of the disease is difficult because the Chinese authorities have not yet allowed any independent analysis of the Sichuan pathogen.

“The situation in Sichuan is difficult to analyze because of a lack of information,” says Dr Henry Niman, founder and president of Recombinomics, Inc., the predictive viral change research centre that runs the Recombinomics.com web site.

This lack of information has some pondering the worst. Unconfirmed reports from China on Boxun.com (“Abundant News” in English) describe symptoms with remarkable similarities to some of those associated with the 1918 flu pandemic. Posts on the website have also proposed that the disease could be strain of Ebola. According to Niman, a strain of Ebola has been shown to have exchanged genetic material with H5N1. It is possible, however unlikely, that a new strain of either disease could emerge.

Officially, there have never been confirmed cases of either Ebola, or H5N1 in humans, in China. And, Boxun doesn’t claim to have definitive information, but rather hopes its reports will prompt further investigation.

Such investigation is certainly necessary: Recall 2002, when China covered-up its SARS epidemic for several crucial months. SARS went on to kill 800 worldwide and made 8,000 others sick. News of SARS only came to light when first-hand accounts appeared on Boxun and The Epoch Times Chinese web site.

Independent isolation and identification of the Sichuan pathogen would do much to build a better the understanding the nature of the Sichuan outbreak. The same approach would also help to better deal with H5N1, which has broken out recently in wild bird populations at Qinghai Lake Nature Reserve, west of Sichuan, as well as in nearby Xinjiang.

However, the PRC government has offered neither the raw data nor the samples that would be required to do a credible genetic assessment. "As far as I know, the [PRC] Ministry of Agriculture has not sent any samples to any international reference labs or any WHO collaborating centers," Roy Wadia, the WHO's spokesman in Beijing, was quoted as saying by the UK Telegraph Group on Monday, July 24. WHO investigators have also been denied access to the Xinjiang site altogether.

Not only is Beijing ignoring WHO requests, but recent state actions are also raising suspicions of another cover-up. On May 21, China’s state media announced that 178 geese had died at Qinghai Reserve; soon after, it upped its figure to 1,000 dead migratory birds. WHO researchers later found, during their only permitted visit to Qinghai Reserve at the end of June, that the death toll had reached 5000, according to Bloomberg. Then, the casualties were continuing at a rate of 20 birds per day. Shortly after the initial announcements, Boxun reported 121 human fatalities in nearby Gangca County, and a corresponding military quarantine, a claim denied by state media. Few further details followed from Boxun, save for a June 5 brief stating that the earlier reporters had been arrested.

Dr Yi Guan, a H5N1 researcher at Hong Kong University, analyzed genetic samples from avian flu-stricken birds and published his findings in the journal Nature on May 25. He and his American and Chinese colleagues described strong similarities between the viral genes of wild birds in western China, and H5N1 in affected poultry farms found earlier in southern China. They also discovered that the Qinghai geese contained "virulence genes" that had a 100 percent mortality rates in both chickens and mice in the lab.

The study further concluded that there was a “…danger that H5N1 might be carried along the birds' winter migration routes to densely populated areas in the south Asia subcontinent, a region that seems free of this virus, and spread along migratory flyways linked to Europe.”

A day after the article was published, director general of the PRC Ministry of Agriculture's Veterinary Bureau, Jia Youling, criticised the findings and denied the existence of any bird flu outbreak in southern China. Four days later, the Joint Influenza Research Center, where Yi conducted the bird flu study, was ordered to immediately cease H5N1 research. PRC state-controlled media reported that this was because the lab lacked “the basic conditions for biological safety,” a claim vehemently denied by the Center.

At present, the WHO places the risk assessment of a worldwide avian flu pandemic at three on a scale of six, indicating that human infections have occurred. Since the UN body must wait for official corroboration before any incident can be acknowledged, this rating could well be a conservative under-estimation, limited by political protocols and the limited data provided by the PRC.

The WHO may also be wary of prematurely declaring a global pandemic after its experience with SARS, suggests Dr Niman. He continues, "SARS... has the potential to become a raging pandemic, but did not do so in 2003. Consequently there is concern about over-reacting as well as the difficulty of predicting precisely when a virus such as H5N1 will achieve efficient human-to-human transmission."

Niman has analyzed an apparent pattern of new outbreaks which in his view, seem to be radiating outwards from Qinghai Reserve hypothetically as a result of bird migration. Within the range of the Qinghai birds are the other China H5N1 outbreak sites, as well as a location in Mongolia where 400 sheep reportedly died of a mystery illness in early June. If the culprit there was bird flu, then the array of H5N1 animal hosts now includes domestic and wild birds, pigs and sheep.

Also within range is Novosibirsk, Russia, with over 1000 bird flu deaths in domestic fowl reported on July 26, and Jakarta, Indonesia, where three human family members died in quick succession due to H5N1 infection earlier this month. Bird flu has also resurfaced on a poultry farm near Tokyo, Japan, United Press International reported on June 27.

The recent PRC conduct with respect to H5N1 research, the suspect nature of the official characterization of the Sichuan pathogen, the series unconfirmed reports compiled on Recombinomics.com and Boxun, and the apparent increasing incidence of avian influenza in Asia, together are enough to raise the question: Has the bird flu already gone pandemic there?

While Dr Niman is known for his highly speculative commentary, as well as for proposing worst case scenarios, the seriousness of a prospective raging bird flu pandemic suggests that all possibilities should be considered. Again, only thorough, independent and transparent scientific investigation will be able to assess the validity of existing hypotheses.

On July 22, the WHO issued yet another warning that the coming avian influenza pandemic may be imminent. According to WHO figures, there have been 109 confirmed human cases of bird flu in Vietnam, Thailand, Cambodia and Indonesia resulting in 55 deaths.

With a lack of confirmed sources or verifiable scientific data from China, which is arguably the most significant and certainly the most disputed locality for H5N1 outbreak and mutation, the world plays a waiting game.

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<B><font size=+1 color=red><center>Case Fatality Rate of 82% for Mysterious Illness In Sichuan China</font>
<A href="http://www.recombinomics.com/News/07260502/H5N1_CFR_82_Sichuan.html">Recombinomics Commentary</A>
July 26, 2005
According to an update by the SiChuan Ministry of Health (or their Provincial equilavent), as of 12pm 26th July, 117 cases have been reported in the Pigs-to-Human "Streptococcus" outbreak.</B></center>
This is a cumulative figure. Of these, 5 have been confirmed via laboratory tests, 71 clinically diagnosed and 41 suspected. Of these 117 cases, 5 have been discharged, 21 still remain in critical condition and 24 have died.

The above translation of the report of the Sichuan Ministry of Health indicates that the case fatality rate for the mystery disease is above 82%. There have been 29 outcomes, and 24 of the outcomes has been death. This does not include 14 suspect cases who died before being admitted to a hospital. A case fatality rate of 82% is very high and more like the H5N1 rate for Vietnam and Thailand or the rate of the cases described in an early boxun report on H5N1 deaths linked to the Qinghai Lake outbreak. Rates that high have also been described for Ebola and Marburg outbreaks in Africa.

Only 5 of the 117 cases have tested positive for the bacteria, which is a common bacteria in pigs. Normally the bacterial infection does not cause disease in pigs, but may cause problems when the pig is stressed or infected with another agent.

The high case fatality rate suggests the humans who disposed of the pigs were infected by the primary infection in the pig, not a secondary bacterial infection.

Although some boxun reports have suggested Ebola, the proximity of Sichuan Province next to Qinghai Province suggests H5N1 may be responsible. All of the H5N1 isolates from Qinghai Lake have the PB2 polymorphism, E627K, which has never been previously described in H5N1 isolated from birds. Passage of isolates from Hong Kong or imported duck meat through a mouse brain yield an isolate with E627K, and such isolates were found in tigers that died at a zoo in Thailand had neurological symptoms, which may be related to the meningitis seen in patients in Sichuan.

Thus, the sudden increase of 37 patients reported above, the widespread distribution of cases in at least 75 villages, the high case fatality rate, and the neurotropism, all point toward H5N1 involvement in the expanding outbreak.

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<B><font size=+1 color=green><center>No drug for disease as death toll hits 24 (Sichuan outbreak)</font>
http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/">xinhuanet.com</A>
BEIJING, July 27 -- Doctors are yet to find specific drugs to treat the disease that has killed 24 farmers in Southwest China, officials said yesterday. </B></center>
The Ministry of Health has blamed Streptococcus suis, a bacteria carried by pigs, for the disease, which broke out on June 24 in the cities of Ziyang and Neijiang in Sichuan Province.

The number of human cases has risen to 117, including 76 confirmed and 41 suspected infections. Among these, 21 patients are in a critical condition.

At the moment doctors are relying on heavy doses of antibiotics to treat patients, but with the death toll mounting it is clear this approach is unsatisfactory.

"The Chinese Centre for Disease Control and Prevention is conducting drug sensitivity tests to find a more effective treatment," said Ministry of Health spokesman Mao Qun'an.

But despite the lack of a reliable treatment, experts believe the outbreak can be dealt with effectively.

The pig-to-human infection can be prevented if people refrain from slaughtering, processing or eating infected pigs, said Chen Huanchun, vice-president of Huazhong (Central China) Agricultural University.

Chen, also a member of the expert group set up by the Ministry of Agriculture to conduct on-the-spot investigations, said the bacteria can only infect people through open wounds or if they digest the infected meat.

Pork prices have dropped 20 per cent in Ziyang, said Cao Jingli, a government employee in Ziyang.

Mao said China has been reporting the situation to the World Health Organization every day, but as yet there has been no response.

Chen said the Guangzhou Animal Biological Medicine Plant is working on a vaccine to protect pigs from the disease, and is expected to produce a viable inoculation in about a week.

After a two-to-three-day safety test, the vaccine will be used widely among pigs, said Chen.

The infected farmers and pigs are scattered among 73 villages around the two cities. So far no epidemic has been reported in other regions of Sichuan or in the rest of the country.

Investigations suggest the infected pigs had been raised by at least 300 different farms, all with poor sanitary conditions, experts said.

No infected pigs have been found in large- or medium-sized breeding farms, according to a statement from Sichuan Province.

Experts said they are searching for the reason for the outbreak as many healthy pigs also carry the bacteria but do not fall ill or transmit the disease.

In Ziyang and Neijiang, all 469 pigs with the disease have been buried.

The two cities have also set up 50 temporary checkpoints to stop pigs from being transported outside the infected villages.

Wang Jian, a 41-year-old farmer in Panshi Village in Danshan Town, Ziyang, is worried that his four pigs will not survive the epidemic.

"If they die, it would mean a loss of 2,400 yuan (US$296), or one-quarter of my family's annual income," said Wang.

More than 50 pigs in his village have died from the disease.


I always did like to be able to post linking news articles. It tends to give me a better graspe of what is occuring...
 

m801

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even if you could get some,

taking a pill will not protect you.

your biosecurity strategy and related preps
should be dealing with disinfection and the prevention
of the disease spreading.
 

Indiansummer

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Now also to be concerned about is the length of incubation. Many people can carry infection, without any outward symptoms. Beware....
 

USDA

Veteran Member
Best advice I can guess...is if sickness spreads...have all family members stay at home. Think about it...the worker who has contact with the public...especially nurses etc...should be prepared to stay home till the virus breaks. Keep kids at home...

The common belief that someone must be earning the family bread...breaks down here...that wage earner, if in contact with the public might infect his or her entire family.

Therefore...stay home, eat the preps...if they arn't enough....then add more...but prior to the outbreak. Paying rent or mortages...tell the owners...when the sickness is over, you will be glad to resume payments...but don't budge during the peak of the illness.

And yes this is more important than Karl Rove.
 

Dixielee

Veteran Member
Kim99 said:
If you keep checking the avian flu update page you'll see that we're posting everything we can find regarding this flu. It's definitely spreading.....

Where is this page? I have been looking for a consolated area for this info but have not found one.

edited to add....I found it! thanks

I was chatting with another nurse at work the other night who is on a state committee for disaster preparedness and they have been discussing the possiliblties of the bird flu pandemic. His words were "we're screwed" if this thing hits. They are planning to use schools as alternative health care sites, but not sure who is going to man them. The hospitals are already at the breaking point and this is NOT in a time of emergency. He confirmed what the original article in this thread says, that essential personal will be the primary ones being treated, and "everyone else" goes into the wing and a prayer group. They are looking at keeping the infrastructure up, and not saving individual lives. It may be true triage in a mass casualty situation such as this.

I am concerned when they mention "goverment workers" lumped into the mix with 'essential personel". Does that mean every school board member and their family? Or just congress and theirs?? I think some are already making sure they are included in the "save us" group.

From what I can gather....we had better be ready to take care of ourselves, because if it hits, it is going to be really ugly!

Remember when SARS hit Canada and they were closing hospitals, turning people away because of the quarentine? That may happen here. If you are having problems, you may be referred to your nearest high school for emergency treatment. God help us all!
 
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