BRKG Master Twitter thread. Elon Musk now owns Twitter, post 144. Heads roll for real

et2

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Good for Twitter … bad for Musk … bad for investors. They’ve been scammed. More proof it’s a deep state front.

So aren’t there charges that can be brought up for duping investors and Musk? That’s what happens when woke runs things.

Trump told Musk he paid too much … LMAO.
 

energy_wave

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Twitter share price will go the way of Enron and Elon will sue for fraud along with an army of fellow investors. The board of directors are facing financial ruin and maybe even prison time. This could shake the other left wing social media companies to their core.
 
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hunybee

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not sure if this should be a separate thread, but i put it here as it does seem relevant to this.



'Twitter does not believe in free speech': Undercover Project Veritas recording reveals Twitter engineer saying platform censors the right but NOT the left, everyone who works there is 'commie as f**k' and they 'hate' Elon Musk
  • Project Veritas have published a secretly recorded conversation with a Twitter engineer admitting the company has a left-wing bias
  • Siru Murugesan, described by Project Veritas as a senior engineer at the company, said it was 'commie as f***'
  • He said many employees were angry and worried about Elon Musk's takeover of the company, and 'did all we could, to like revolt against it'
  • Murugesan said that Twitter had operated an extremely left-wing, lax culture where people could take any time off they wanted and not worry about profit
  • He told the undercover operative that there was 'bias' against conservatives, and said: 'Twitter does not believe in free speech'

(please go to the site and read, look at the pictures, and watch and listen to the videos and audio that is there. i cannot get it copied over her for some reason. but go and look at it for sure!)
 

bassgirl

Veteran Member
I wonder if Elon even intended to actually buy Twitter.

He knew he could bring them down just by doing what he is doing then back out as they crash and burn.

They forget he is way smarter than they are. He is building AI. He probably gamed out the whole thing with an AI before he ever made the move.
 

Kathy in FL

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Housecarl

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When this dam breaks it will very likely expose a lot more than just Twitter's active conspiracy to defraud. The fiduciary responsibilities of the market and regulators will overcome the political pressure because money historically has always eventually prevailed over other interests behind the curtain. It's only a matter of time.
 

Buick Electra

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The Twitter Bot Inquiry Intensifies as Musk is Seemingly Stiff Armed
May 16, 2022 | Sundance | 216 Comments

The ramifications for Twitter surrounding fake users or algorithmic bots are considerable. One issue is overcharging advertisers for ad impressions based on mDAU’s, which are “monetized Daily Active Users.” The second issue is an outcome of the first and relates to the valuation of Twitter. If Twitter bots are higher than Twitter estimates, then the mDAU rate is overstated.

Elon Musk is indicating there may need to be a lowering of the purchase price unless Twitter becomes transparent with how they are calculating the number of bot users at less than 5%. All outside reviews attempting to estimate the number of fake accounts, or bots, puts the estimations considerably higher than the claims by Twitter. Elon Musk tweeted:

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At “The All In Summit 2022,” Elon Musk gave the impression the purchase price of Twitter may be tenuous. He said that a deal with a lower price tag is not “out of the question,” Bloomberg reported. “Currently, what I’m being told is that there’s just no way to know the number of bots… It’s like, as unknowable as the human soul,” Musk said at the Miami conference, per a social media video, Bloomberg added.

Twitter CEO Parag Agrwal has responded to the controversy in a very obtuse twitter thread:

Let’s talk about spam. And let’s do so with the benefit of data, facts, and context…

First, let me state the obvious: spam harms the experience for real people on Twitter, and therefore can harm our business. As such, we are strongly incentivized to detect and remove as much spam as we possibly can, every single day. Anyone who suggests otherwise is just wrong.

Next, spam isn’t just ‘binary’ (human / not human). The most advanced spam campaigns use combinations of coordinated humans + automation. They also compromise real accounts, and then use them to advance their campaign. So – they are sophisticated and hard to catch.

Some final context: fighting spam is incredibly *dynamic*. The adversaries, their goals, and tactics evolve constantly – often in response to our work! You can’t build a set of rules to detect spam today, and hope they will still work tomorrow. They will not.

We suspend over half a million spam accounts every day, usually before any of you even see them on Twitter. We also lock millions of accounts each week that we suspect may be spam – if they can’t pass human verification challenges (captchas, phone verification, etc).

The hard challenge is that many accounts which look fake superficially – are actually real people. And some of the spam accounts which are actually the most dangerous – and cause the most harm to our users – can look totally legitimate on the surface.

Our team updates our systems and rules constantly to remove as much spam as possible, without inadvertently suspending real people or adding unnecessary friction for real people when they use Twitter: none of us want to solve a captcha every time we use Twitter.

Now, we know we aren’t perfect at catching spam. And so this is why, after all the spam removal I talked about above, we know some still slips through. We measure this internally. And every quarter, we have estimated that <5% of reported mDAU for the quarter are spam accounts.

Our estimate is based on multiple human reviews (in replicate) of thousands of accounts, that are sampled at random, consistently over time, from *accounts we count as mDAUs*. We do this every quarter, and we have been doing this for many years.

Each human review is based on Twitter rules that define spam and platform manipulation, and uses both public and private data (eg, IP address, phone number, geolocation, client/browser signatures, what the account does when it’s active…) to make a determination on each account.

The use of private data is particularly important to avoid misclassifying users who are actually real. FirstnameBunchOfNumbers with no profile pic and odd tweets might seem like a bot or spam to you, but behind the scenes we often see multiple indicators that it’s a real person.

Our actual internal estimates for the last four quarters were all well under 5% – based on the methodology outlined above. The error margins on our estimates give us confidence in our public statements each quarter.

Unfortunately, we don’t believe that this specific estimation can be performed externally, given the critical need to use both public and private information (which we can’t share). Externally, it’s not even possible to know which accounts are counted as mDAUs on any given day.

There are LOTS of details that are very important underneath this high-level description. We shared an overview of the estimation process with Elon a week ago and look forward to continuing the conversation with him, and all of you. (Link to Twitter Article)


Methinks Parag Agrwal doth protest too much…. Especially if you overlay the ideological incentives that Twitter carries into its operational platform.

If you accept that Twitter is manipulating the public conversation intentionally (they are), then Twitter bots would serve an ideological function. However, the issue of ‘bots’ operating on the Twitter platform is interesting when you consider the cost of platform operation.

On one hand, extensive auto-generated ‘bots’ would be an issue of cost and data-processing, a net negative. On the other hand, the use of bots would be a manipulative practice for the creation of false impressions to generate advertising revenue.

If the scale of data-processing was subsidized, an outcome of a network of data processing centers -the AWS cloud- linked to government resources, the bots would not be a cost issue for the operation. Despite the false impressions generated, bots would, however, under this weird situation, be useful for the manipulation of the conversation.

At the root of Elon Musk’s line of inquiry is the need to discover if this suspicion is true.

If the scale of bots has been underestimated (likely by a willfully blind operation) the advertising fees charged by Twitter were potentially fraudulent. This is another operational reason (mitigating lawsuits from advertisers) for Musk to make the determination prior to the final purchase of the platform.

Taking Twitter private as a company, eliminating bots (which is essentially removing fraudulent users) then carries the potential benefits of both lowering costs and positioning the company to increase genuine ad revenue from authenticated users as real people.

Many people suspect the size of the political left on the Twitter platform is manipulated by programatic bots. Meaning there seems to be more people on the left side of the spectrum because bots are deployed to give the impression of like-minded users. I am one of the people who believe this suspicion is accurate, because it would be a typical way the ideological left operates.

The bots would be in addition to the deployment of algorithms that are designed to suppress speech the platform operators do not like.

I have long suspected the Twitter algorithm process is essentially assigning certain users into specifically designed data-processing containers where their voice is suppressed. Some people call this ‘shadow-banning,’ I simply call it suppression.

Elon Musk represents a threat to the way the platform was/is designed to operate. If Musk removes the discussion constraints, opens the containers and removes the restrictions, while simultaneously eliminating bots and fake accounts, the entire perspective of the platform could change very quickly. This is what I think the current board and operators are trying to avoid.

Another rudimentary way to look at it…. Think about the last several months of public opinion polls. Despite the efforts of a compliant media, repeatedly we see a 75/25 split against Biden and leftist policies. The 3:4 and/or 4:5 ratio has been a consistent pattern for several months. That ratio shows up in almost every poll. However, if you look at Twitter that ratio is not present in the “organic” conversation about the same issues.

As CTH has said for many years, there are more of us than them. However, Big Tech controls the mechanisms we use to communicate – and as a consequence the scale of our assembly is severely understated.

Twitter user fraud is the digital and social media equivalent to voter election fraud. The voices raised in opposition to researching both issues are exactly the same.

Suspicious Cat remains, well, suspicious….
 

Southside

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night driver

ESFP adrift in INTJ sea
Agarwal says he wants to examine the issue using "Data and FACTS" while he CLEARLY uses NEITHER, and excuses himself by saying NOBODY KNOWS (da trouble I seen) in a reliable, repeatable way.
Elon, Bro, Your Lunch Is Served!!!!!!!!
 

energy_wave

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From one of the comments I read today, it said something like he can back out and take the billion dollar loss but Twitter will tank down to around $22.00 a share, then he can buy it up for half price. Musk will make out huge, imo.
 

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Audit finds half of Joe Biden’s Twitter followers are fake
By
Jack Hobbs
May 17, 2022 5:51pm
Updated
A new audit claims that nearly half of President Biden's Twitter followers are fake.
A new audit claims that nearly half of President Biden's Twitter followers are fake.Pavlo Gonchar/SOPA Images/LightRocket via Getty Images
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At least half of President Biden’s 22.2 million Twitter followers are bogus, a new audit revealed.

The audit, which was done for the social media giant by software firm SparkToro, found that 49.3% of the president’s followers are “fake followers,” according to Newsweek.

SparkToro has defined “fake followers” as “accounts that are unreachable and will not see the account’s tweets (either because they’re spam, bots, propaganda, etc. or because they’re no longer active on Twitter).”

Tesla CEO Elon Musk, who is currently attempting to buy Twitter, has expressed concern over the growing number of fake accounts and proposed a potential crackdown on the sham accounts.

Musk said he believes that 20% of all Twitter accounts are fake and vowed to not go through with his $44M purchase of the social media giant until the issue is resolved.

“My offer was based on Twitter’s SEC filings being accurate,” Musk said.

“Yesterday, Twitter’s CEO publicly refused to show proof of <5%. This deal cannot move forward until he does.”
The audit, which was done for the social media giant by software firm SparkToro, found that 49.3% of the president's followers are fake followers. The audit, which was done for the social media giant by software firm SparkToro, found that 49.3% of the president’s followers are “fake followers.”AP Photo/Manuel Balce Ceneta Elon Musk said he believes that 20% of all Twitter accounts are fake and vowed to not go through with his $44M purchase of the social media giant until the issue is resolved. Elon Musk said he believes that 20% of all Twitter accounts are fake and vowed to not go through with his $44M purchase of the social media giant until the issue is resolved.JIM WATSON/AFP via Getty Images

Current Twitter CEO Parag Agrawal fired back at the world’s richest man saying that the digital giant suspends over half a million spam accounts every day and locks several millions of accounts they suspect might be spam.

SparkToro used the same audit on Musk himself and found that nearly 70.2% of Musk’s 93.3 million Twitter followers were fake.
 

jward

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Casey Newton
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At a Twitter all-hands right now, execs told employees that they are not open to renegotiating the purchase price with Elon Musk. I’m told that champagne was popped in the New York office.















Julie
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"Musk signed a merger agreement without doing any due diligence on that number, and nothing has changed since he signed the agreement... Twitter has one important point of leverage. Here’s how I would do this negotiation:"
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View: https://twitter.com/nihonmama/status/1526533054998597633?s=20&t=-SrEFcmw1zATw2YXB37Hew
 

thompson

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Attacks Against Musk Heat Up. Here's How He Responded to the Latest Accusation.

Leah Barkoukis
Posted: May 20, 2022 8:00 AM

Ever since Elon Musk bought Twitter, vowing to bring free speech back to the platform, the billionaire has warned that attacks against him will only increase. After a pathetic attempt at a hit piece by The New York Times over his childhood in South Africa, Business Insider is now running with a story about a sexual misconduct claim against Musk.

SpaceX, the aerospace firm founded by Elon Musk, the world's wealthiest man, paid a flight attendant $250,000 to settle a sexual misconduct claim against Musk in 2018, Insider has learned.
The attendant worked as a member of the cabin crew on a contract basis for SpaceX's corporate jet fleet. She accused Musk of exposing his erect penis to her, rubbing her leg without consent, and offering to buy her a horse in exchange for an erotic massage, according to interviews and documents obtained by Insider.
The incident, which took place in 2016, is alleged in a declaration signed by a friend of the attendant and prepared in support of her claim. The details in this story are drawn from the declaration as well as other documents, including email correspondence and other records shared with Insider by the friend.
According to the declaration, the attendant confided to the friend that after taking the flight attendant job, she was encouraged to get licensed as a masseuse so that she could give Musk massages. It was during one such massage in a private cabin on Musk's Gulfstream G650ER, she told the friend, that Musk propositioned her. (Business Insider)


Musk didn’t give Insider much in the way of a response, other than noting there is “a lot more to this story.”

"If I were inclined to engage in sexual harassment, this is unlikely to be the first time in my entire 30-year career that it comes to light," he said, noting the story is a "politically motivated hit piece."

In addition to insisting the accusations are false, he said the reporter already had the story written before reaching out.

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He added that the hit pieces won't stop him and even joked about referring to the alleged scandal as "Elongate."

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Double_A

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Casey Newton
@CaseyNewton


At a Twitter all-hands right now, execs told employees that they are not open to renegotiating the purchase price with Elon Musk. I’m told that champagne was popped in the New York office.








Julie
@nihonmama



"Musk signed a merger agreement without doing any due diligence on that number, and nothing has changed since he signed the agreement... Twitter has one important point of leverage. Here’s how I would do this negotiation:"
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View: https://twitter.com/nihonmama/status/1526533054998597633?s=20&t=-SrEFcmw1zATw2YXB37Hew

If what I've heard is true....
the above from Casey Newton is nonsense, twitter misrepresented itself, Musk offered to buy something that he didnt realize doesn't exist.

Musk can claim Twitter is fraudulent in it's intentional actions and comments
 

Double_A

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Audit finds half of Joe Biden’s Twitter followers are fake
Current Twitter CEO Parag Agrawal fired back at the world’s richest man saying that the digital giant suspends over half a million spam accounts every day and locks several millions of accounts they suspect might be spam.

SparkToro used the same audit on Musk himself and found that nearly 70.2% of Musk’s 93.3 million Twitter followers were fake.

Those half million spam accounts twitter blocks every day are just Conservative accounts from Legitimate people, it wants to censor.
 
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